Thursday, October 26, 2006

Suspense!

I think I'll ask these dudes to tell us who's gonna Win the House.

63 Comments:

Blogger kadimiros said...

As long as they don't say, "The house wins."
:-)

Isn't there some folklore about questioning the Sphinx at night?

Method 1:
The Questioner of the Sphinx (1863)

Method 2:
Secret of the Sphinx (1984)

27/10/06 11:02 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Kadimiros, you got it!

27/10/06 1:26 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Well this is interesting. My dream last night.

All my assets were in charge of some people. A lot of confusion, and they had stolen everything. John Kerry appeared and he was crying. Then a miniature donkey pranced through the house.

I guess I got my answer.

27/10/06 1:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG, the links!

Thank you so much. It always comes back to the mystical, doesn't it? And the Sphinx never tells. It's the ultimate guessing game.

27/10/06 1:29 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

Aren't the oil paintings absolutely gorgeous? I love those paintings. And I like the Egyptian motif in general, too.

I think the second painting is an intentional parody of the first (as well as being a commentary on modern mindsets). Tansey's paintings are hilarious. I have a book of reproductions of his paintings.

I can work with acrylics and mix in gloss medium to make it resemble oil painting, but real oil painting is one area that I didn't master this lifetime.

27/10/06 2:13 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"My dream last night.
...John Kerry appeared and he was crying. Then a miniature donkey pranced through the house. I guess I got my answer."


Egads. Well, it's early yet. There are factors still in play, so whatever we see now is a forecast based on present trends that can change. It's hard to predict ahead of time when opposing forces are closely matched.

I've mentioned this before: For the White House and the popular (not electoral) vote, the most accurate forecasting that I know of is the Thirteen Keys, derived from statistical analysis of history. From the article: "Retrospectively, they account accurately for the results of every presidential election from 1860 through 1980."

Curiously, the Keys predicted that Al Gore would win the popular vote in 2000 but one of its authors, Allan Lichtman, a fierce Democrat, feared that a wildcard factor, the Shrum Curse.

In 2004, Lichtman argued that John Kerry must break with traditional campaigning. "Nothing changes from one election to the next in America, because the media, the candidates, the pollsters, and the consultants are codependent in the false idea that elections are exercises in manipulating voters, and in giving us negative campaigns, bland and scripted lines."

The Thirteen Keys is based on known patterns of the past. It has the track record that political astrologers wish to have. As its author says, the best chance to break the pattern is to give up the things that aren't working, and take unprecedented actions.

27/10/06 2:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

but real oil painting is one area that I didn't master this lifetime.

You mean it's over?
So you're a dead man walking!!!

Oils, man. They're heavy. I think all the chemicals further warp the artist's mind, unless maybe they paint outside in the French countryside with their devoted wives bringing them ham and baguettes in the meadow.

Oils are so fantastically rich and beautiful. very complicated to mix them and work with them to a painter's satisfaction. They are almost larger than life and I think they intimidate.

27/10/06 2:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The Thirteen Keys is based on known patterns of the past. It has the track record that political astrologers wish to have. As its author says, the best chance to break the pattern is to give up the things that aren't working, and take unprecedented actions.

Very interesting. Didn't know about the 13 Keys. Statistics are fascinating. I do think there are predictable patterns with the occasional aberration. You are right. Astrologers wish to match this. Their mistake is not looking at other factors. They don't put two and two together with the planetary alignments. These patterns can swing so many ways, so the astute astrologer has to be multifaceted.

I think elections are a totally accurate reflection of the needs of the time no matter who the players or how they campaign.

27/10/06 2:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What's interesting now is all this Scorpio death stuff and the release of the movie Death of a President.

So something seems to be ending, although it might not reflect in the elections or anything obvious.

27/10/06 2:44 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This political scenario has been an interesting exercise in confidence for me. In my lucid moments I know that it is as it should be. The way I usually see life. But the more emotional moments have tried my equanimity.

It really doesn't matter who wins what as we are all part of a much larger organism that has a consciousness beyond any bit player. Once we are free from personal demand and control of a particular, we can easily get what we want, I feel.

27/10/06 2:53 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"You mean it's over?
So you're a dead man walking!!!"


LOL! That did sound funny, didn't it? Well, maybe I am, if linear time is an illusion. I just no longer feel a desire to try painting with traditional oil-based media. I'll probably stick with acrylics, if the urge to paint on canvas ever comes back. Or maybe oil sticks. They're faster to dry, which suits my natural temperament better. I guess I'm not an "art for art's sake" type of personality.

27/10/06 4:11 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"Their mistake is not looking at other factors. They don't put two and two together with the planetary alignments. These patterns can swing so many ways, so the astute astrologer has to be multifaceted."

Exactly! You are so astute and quick. The Keys do seem to parallel some generally recognized truths.

The public (usually) is reactive to the past, lacking in breadth of imagination for future possibilities, so astrologers have rightly called it lunar, whereas (true) leaders are solar.

The Keys look at pivotal points that impact public consciousness. The public is theorized to make simple yes/no type of evaluations on matters like recent economic track record, foreign policy, war, personal charisma, etc. Then everything is summed up as a referendum on the incumbent party. I don't know if an astrological approach could be devised to parallel how this statistically derived model works, but maybe that's not astrology's forte or best use.

Maybe the astrology tells us the forces or energy patterns that are available, but not so much how we will react/respond to them, or make use of them.

27/10/06 4:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, man, I didn't GET it until now. lol. like kad, I was thinking about gambling. Not the House races. big duh.

i like watercolor. it's such an exercise in clarity. must try for clarity.

i thought the super bowl was supposed to decide who's elected? or was that the world series? just finished listening to an hour of bill o'reilly on oprah. he can sure push my blood pressure through the stratosphere.

27/10/06 4:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I guess I'm not an "art for art's sake" type of personality.

Ha ha! For what purpose then? What type of personality have I encountered?

Linear time is NOT AN ILLUSION. So you are here. At GO. Collect $200. Try functioning without it. I tried for many years and as good as I am at beating any system, I did not succeed. It's in our chip just as we learn to put one foot in front of the other to move. In this dimension it is real and I imagine that all motion is reliant on manmade time.

Of course, those that live in the other dimensions concurrent with this one could probably move in entirely different patterns outside of this lowly progression dependent on time.

All my life it's been pushing down
Pushing up and pressing down
Against the wall no way I've found
To unwind the Knot of Time

27/10/06 4:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The public (usually) is reactive to the past, lacking in breadth of imagination for future possibilities, so astrologers have rightly called it lunar, whereas (true) leaders are solar.

Oh My God, Kad. This is a wildly loaded statement. I love it. Let me think.

27/10/06 4:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Watercolor is HARD! Flows all over the place.

27/10/06 4:32 PM  
Blogger rhonda valentino said...

i was once going write a non-linear cookbook with a friend.
as a joke of course

27/10/06 4:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Maybe the astrology tells us the forces or energy patterns that are available, but not so much how we will react/respond to them, or make use of them.

Exactly. Exactly.
But if you really look at it, you can read the signs that will tell somewhat how we will react. They absolutely do not dictate, so prediction usually fails.

For example, a Mars configuration had all the astrologers predicting a continuation of the Israeli/Lebanese conflict. I saw the opposite. So many indicators said no. I love how these folks quickly sweep their wrong predictions under the rug and continue on to the next mistake, as if no one noticed. Maybe they didn't. It's all in the game.

27/10/06 4:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

A nonlinear cookbook!

Just up my street since I have a tendency to abandon the pots due to distractions!

27/10/06 4:40 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

And, of course, given the characterization of the public, lunar, passive, reflecting the light shone onto it, etc., therefore we have the cynical plays on the public's fears, and the downward spiral of negative campaigns.

I tried writing a few paragraphs on the subject some time back. But not being an astrologer, I only took it so far as a general commentary on the archetypes.

One fortunate thing is that the politics of polarization works less well each year, due to the quickness and ubiquity of modern communications. We've seen a few recent examples of politicians forgetting that they can no longer spout carefully crafted divisive messages to subgroups within the population, and more moderately phrased messages for the general public, without the world at large finding out within hours. And sometimes not just as hearsay, but in color video on Youtube.com.

I wonder if I can make an analogy about how lunar light is polarized?

The public ignites to fire of its own in times of widespread and extreme social unrest, protests, revolution. And then, it's not lunar. I have wondered if the dynamic will ever change.

Maybe I can predict that as we move away from polarization, we'll see a rise to power of more major political parties than the two on which we currently focus.

27/10/06 4:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Astrology's forte I think is to explain the reasoning behind what's happening. Used right, everything IS right. It's all about the orchestration and the events of the present are vital to the future. Not so good to jump too quickly ahead to this future. Certainly not without an understanding of the present.

Very interesting about the public and the lunar. This is what I love about your grasp of this science.
I think this is right...leadership and the solar. So if the public is merely reactive, where is the germ plasm that creates these leaders from the public? And how does the lunar figure in?

I think maybe it's too simplistic to use the Moon as the prime indicator of public behavior. Moon is habit, but the spark of the solar and the future is always concurrent.

27/10/06 4:49 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"I love how these folks quickly sweep their wrong predictions under the rug and continue on to the next mistake, as if no one noticed. Maybe they didn't. It's all in the game."

Ha ha...We have to look at the whole picture to understand. Otherwise, it's like those split brain experiments where the left (verbal) brain hemisphere tends to jump in with the wrong answer.

I knew about the Keys. Many politicians know about the Keys, too, and their attempts to sway the public during campaigns can be understood as attempts to "turn the keys" in the public perception. Being a war hero is one of the keys, for example, and foreign military success is another key.

Successfully enacting a major domestic policy change (in any direction) is another key that can affect future elections (it makes the incumbents look more impressive), and this is partly why the parties are so bitterly opposed when it comes to working together legislatively.

Maybe the Keys will stop working once too many people know the manipulation game.

27/10/06 5:01 PM  
Blogger jm said...

One fortunate thing is that the politics of polarization works less well each year, due to the quickness and ubiquity of modern communications. We've seen

I think we are in the midst of this very large truth right now.

The USA is Cancer dominated and lunar but evolving toward the North Node in totally solar Leo. So I think changes will come eventually. As I said before we are sheeplike in general and have yet to connect with this solar factor which should happen on an individual level too.

The transit of Pluto through the 1st house has upped this solar factor a notch and we will see the results.

I've thought a lot about the party system and the jury is still out. There is one interesting factor to consider.

The 2 party system is where we seem to root continually. The USA has a Saturn in Libra which is a destiny of learning about one on one relationship... debate, compromise, and duality.
I think the 2 party system serves this purpose as we learn this one on one negotiation. Maybe the polarity will blend as we continue this debate. There will be a lot of this coming up and I think more real debate between the two parties than we've seen in ages in this country. Once we master this relationship we can move on to multiparties but I think it will be a long time. We have to come to an agreement first. Even I am am looking hard at Republican philosophy in a new way.

27/10/06 5:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

We have to look at the whole picture to understand. Otherwise, it's like those split brain experiments where the left (verbal) brain hemisphere tends to jump in with the wrong answer.

Absodamnlutely.

this is partly why the parties are so bitterly opposed when it comes to working together legislatively.

Very good point.

Maybe the Keys will stop working once too many people know the manipulation game.

Yes. Suddenly the key won't work. I think maybe that's happening right now with the terror and the attempt to make this president a hero. It really never fit. The Republicans look anything but heroic. I think it all backfired and ended a long held illusion of their brute strength.

I love the Key concept.

Pluto through Sagittarius has transformed the use of ideology and it will manifest in the coming years.

27/10/06 5:09 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"if the public is merely reactive, where is the germ plasm that creates these leaders from the public? And how does the lunar figure in?"

Good questions. The Moon represents the fertile ground where seeds planted may grow. So, I guess the question is, who plants the seeds, and of what kind? What conditions favor their growth? So maybe that's where other factors and forces, cosmic or terrestrial, have a say.

"I think maybe it's too simplistic to use the Moon as the prime indicator of public behavior. Moon is habit, but the spark of the solar and the future is always concurrent."

I think so, too. I shy away from absolutes. But it's an interesting characterization. For some reason, the solar/lunar analogy makes me think of stags with antlers, fighting. Sometimes they get their antlers locked together, and if they can't get free, they may die.

"The USA is Cancer dominated and lunar but evolving toward the North Node in totally solar Leo."

Ah...Interesting! So there is some suggestion that it can happen. Hmm, I guess I'll let the notion simmer for a while, and see if anything develops.

Hmm, maybe I'll read a little about ancient Egypt. The Great Sphinx is a lion, solar, representing protection or guardianship. With human head set in charge over a recumbent lion body, perhaps analogous to the Tarot card called Strength.

"Once we master this relationship we can move on to multiparties but I think it will be a long time."

Yeah, I'm guessing within thirty to fifty years is reasonable, but it's all in play and we'll see what happens.

Hmm, the talk of cookbooks is reminding me about dinner. I think I'll go out for a bit, once I decide what I want to eat.

27/10/06 5:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

therefore we have the cynical plays on the public's fears, and the downward spiral of negative campaigns.

We are there. Perhaps it will go down the vortex now. I expect a change in campaign behavior with the passage of Pluto into Capricorn.

27/10/06 5:18 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"I think it all backfired and ended a long held illusion of their brute strength."

Every campaign season, it's kind of like watching rival sorcerors trying to cast spells of persuasion on the audience. Lots of mass hypnosis, or attempts at it, going on.

I've always been hyperaware of and annoyed by that kind of thing. It's probably why I resisted going into advertising art.

27/10/06 5:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Eating is paramount.

For some reason, the solar/lunar analogy makes me think of stags with antlers, fighting. Sometimes they get their antlers locked together, and if they can't get free, they may die..

Gorgeous analogy Kad.

The Moon represents the fertile ground where seeds planted may grow. So, I guess the question is, who plants the seeds, and of what kind? What conditions favor their growth? So maybe that's where other factors and forces, cosmic or terrestrial, have a say.

I think cosmic rhythms plant the seeds as a part of the overall natural cycles of life. We're caught in it. Along for the ride.

27/10/06 5:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I've always been hyperaware of and annoyed by that kind of thing. It's probably why I resisted going into advertising art.

Me too. Interesting that Sagittarius rules advertising and Pluto is power. Now we are all feeling the adverse effects of propaganda, beaten and brutalized by it, really, and I think with a new awareness. At the same time, the messages of good are finding their voice. It has been a fascinating transit.

27/10/06 5:25 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"I expect a change in campaign behavior with the passage of Pluto into Capricorn."

That will be fascinating to see!

Cosmic rhythms, yes. Reminds me, I recently read that the Galactic Center will return to 0 degree Capricorn in about 249 years. I can only wonder what that could mean. And I wonder if things like that have affected the evolving traditions behind the zodiac signs.

27/10/06 5:26 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I recently read that the Galactic Center will return to 0 degree Capricorn in about 249 years. I can only wonder what that could mean. And I wonder if things like that have affected the evolving traditions behind the zodiac signs.

Excellent. Didn't know this. Very very good thought.

I'm sure it will affect the traditions. The center of anything is important.

This fits with my theory. Maybe with the GC in Cap a more logical astrology will develop, less Sagittarian and higher power oriented. more scientific in keeping with the passage into the Age of Aquarius.

As we explore the heavens (outer space), become familiar and closer, we can cultivate a more equal relationship with god and a more empirical, useful system of reading the stars.

In about 5 years there is a space device going up which scientists are convinced will explain the origin of the universe.

27/10/06 5:34 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

I remember one art teacher who said of watercolor, "It's the easiest medium in which to get an effect, and the hardest medium to learn." Or words to that, um, effect. :-)

I was reading something about mind-body states for peak performance in sports today. Something about how "there comes a time when thinking gets in the way, and then the challenge becomes to use will and discipline in the service of letting go." (Of course, we still need thinking to critique and analyze afterwards, so there is a balance and a cycle to it all.)

27/10/06 5:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Something about how "there comes a time when thinking gets in the way, and then the challenge becomes to use will and discipline in the service of letting go."

I don't "think" thinking gets in the way. It's all a part of a whole. The release comes naturally when the time and conditions are right. We might "think" we have the power to let go but it is probably a combo of conscious will and instinctive need, as usual. The mind will not shut down. It's built the way it is for good reason and we are constantly working on our relationship with it.

So I say....
Think to your heart's content.

And LET IT ALL GO!!!

27/10/06 5:41 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I tried writing a few paragraphs on the subject some time back. But not being an astrologer, I only took it so far as a general commentary on the archetypes.

If you get a chance and are so inclined, Kad, I'd love to get your commentary on the archetypes.

I've seen this before. Capricorns are often very good astrologers. They're comfortable with the structure and the logic.

27/10/06 6:01 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"Think to your heart's content."

Oh, thinking can be good, too, true. As long as it's not to one's discontent, LOL.

27/10/06 6:26 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"i thought the super bowl was supposed to decide who's elected? or was that the world series?"

I heard that the popularity of Halloween masks modeled on current political figures was predictive, ha ha, but I dunno!

27/10/06 6:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh, thinking can be good, too, true. As long as it's not to one's discontent, LOL.

Bound to happen anyway.

I have often wondered why people are so afraid of this magnificent machine...the human mind. Even denigrate it, attribute interference to it. I plan to use it fully in the brief time I'm here.

I used to love travel, but there is nothing I have encountered that can journey so far and fast as human thought.
Of course there are treacherous spots in the trip, but it's all worth it to me.

Well, there's no escaping it so might as well get with it.

27/10/06 6:44 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm doing an experiment with my mind right now.

I've noticed that there is always something wrong. I get one thing fixed and another thing goes out of wack. So I'm working on experiencing these things as a natural flow and part of life's irritation as motivation. Trying not to focus excessively on the latest disruption but let it be absorbed into the whole. Maybe irritants are not so bad after all. They are persistent and there is a way of negotiating and maneuvering. All part of the mind in action.

I have a Mercury in Cancer which takes all unpleasantness as personal assault. Well the unpleasant has a right to exist too. Side by side we'll go.

27/10/06 7:09 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

Hmm, good experiment. You are changing the discontent.

"Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried."
[Shakespeare]

Earlier, I quoted an art teacher: "It's the easiest medium in which to get an effect, and the hardest medium to...." I think the actual wording was more along the lines of "in which to become proficient" or "to master". Probably a good analogy for human development of the themes of Water, such as relationships and emotions.

27/10/06 8:35 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"If you get a chance and are so inclined, Kad, I'd love to get your commentary on the archetypes."

Mwah! I can't find the file. :-( I think it was on the older computer, which is having problems. Well, maybe the ideas will trickle back sooner or later.

27/10/06 8:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Seems we returned to the conversation at exactly the same time.

It's the easiest medium in which to get an effect, and the hardest medium to...." I think the actual wording was more along the lines of "in which to become proficient" or "to master". Probably a good analogy for human development of the themes of Water, such as relationships and emotions.

This is another great analogy. It's interesting as the water is the emotions. The other elements factor into relationship too. So the challenge is how to grasp the watery feeling body and master that part of the interpersonal. Very hard.

Maybe we can easily work with the air and the exchange of ideas, but the interplay of subconscious and emotion are tricky indeed.

The hurts lurk there and they are part of the whole. They must exist in the water element. Mastery is knowing how to handle these and see their value overall.

27/10/06 9:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

In fact I'm working with this just now. Glad you brought it up.

In responding to these assaults, often hurtful, a lot of harsh sensory input that's difficult for me...I'm trying to learn to see the necessity or the inevitability of the experiences and not react with so much defensiveness. Some is required but the discomfort quotient will remain the same no matter what. Best to allow it in if not terribly threatening.

Back to what you said about the Strength card. Knowing the place of things. Knowing how to handle them from within. The more inner strength, the less one has to diddle with the outside and try to correct the impossible.

27/10/06 9:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Thanks, Kad. Very helpful. Your comments on Leo, the Sun, and Strength were exceptionally resonant.

27/10/06 9:13 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

...a lot of harsh sensory input that's difficult for me...I'm trying to learn to see the necessity or the inevitability of the experiences and not react with so much defensiveness."

Aw, a big hug. I believe we can heal ourselves. If we allow some discomfort, maybe we can learn from it how to make the way smoother.

27/10/06 9:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Thanks.:-)

I can always count on Moon joops!

So that's it. A big sensory jolt (permanent) in the last 24 and maybe I can LET IT BE!

Actually I think it's part of the Pluto coming to my mars at 0 Cap. "Enjoying" the brutal world as is and even thriving. If only they would turn the volume knob down, but I'm a hopeless dreamer!

Maybe I just need shades and ear plugs then off I'll go into wonderland!

I CAN DO IT!!!!!!!

27/10/06 10:05 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

LOL! Sometimes belief and confidence makes the otherwise impossible happen. Like that Goethe quote you folks were quoting the other day.

He said: "Boldness has genius, power and magic in it."

And he said: "Magic is believing in yourself, if you can do that, you can make anything happen."

And if we don't grab the brass ring the first time, well, we can try again, good luck is a numbers game.

27/10/06 10:26 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And if we don't grab the brass ring the first time, well, we can try again, good luck is a numbers game.

This I agree with. The wheel goes round and round and we can jump on any time.
I realize the silver lining here already. The luck in reverse. The gradual attunement to the brutality as I forge my path as an artist in the world.

I was able to escape the sense impressions until this point. Take it to a degree, but I knew I could back out. But now there is an inner calling to fulfill my artistic destiny and these encounters are preparing me in increments. The last one was very unusual, very harsh and I see the path.

In the end I think it all will lead to my own building of strength as I shield myself from within rather than attack what is without. I have a very permeable membrane around me which serves me as an artist but some absorption will have to be sacrificed under the circumstances.

The Goethe quote is making more and more sense.

27/10/06 10:43 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"Maybe with the GC in Cap a more logical astrology will develop, less Sagittarian and higher power oriented."

And maybe it will change Capricorn, too. It will be on the cusp of Capricorn and Sagittarius for some time -- maybe that suggests a positive balancing, pivot, or flow between them, which might open a door closed to either alone.

I was intrigued to read this past week about a part of the sky called, in very ancient times, Sea or Water. It has many constellations associated with watery themes. It was associated with the god Ea or Enki, who rose from the subterranean freshwater sea located below the Earth. He gave knowledge to humans, and he was the original bearer of the symbols associated with Pisces, Aquarius and Capricorn.

He is depicted in carvings as having streams of water flowing from his arms or (like Aquarius the Water Bearer) from a vase he carries. The streams sometimes have little (Piscean?) fish in them. His symbols were the fish and the goat, which combined became Capricorn. Some say that, further back, the constellation was regarded as a kind of sea monster (perhaps a version of Enki?). Today, astrologers seem to largely ignore the fish tail of Capricorn, the reminder of an elder age.

Enki was a "deity of arts, crafts, water, intelligence, and creation." He is also described as a god of wisdom and magic, and of civilization -- the "master shaper of the world". There is an ancient poem called "Enki and the World Order" -- in his keeping were the things (whether "good", "bad" or neutral) that underlay the social order.

In the oldest version of the Ark story, Enki "secures a promise that the Gods will not eliminate humankind if [people] practice birth control and live within the means of the natural world." [That was from a Wikipedia article. Another Wikipedia article on the mythical Flood states, "Enki created new solutions in the form of social phenomena such as non-marrying women...."] He also sent rescue to Inanna, Queen of Heaven, when she was trapped by her angry sister, Ereshkigal, in the land of the dead. Another story dramatizes how life requires water combined with earth, as in agriculture.

Maybe the zodiac signs of Pisces, Aquarius, and Capricorn carry fragments of Enki's symbolism. That is why I was struck by the fact that the planet Neptune was discovered September 23, 1846 when it was closely conjunct Saturn and seen "in" the stars of Capricorn (tropical zodiac sign Aquarius). Maybe it is just coincidence, that two rulers associated with all three signs were closely conjunct. Confusingly, in Sumerian lore, Enki was associated with the planet Mercury.

I don't know if there is any real mystery here, but I can regard Enki as a helpful symbol (especially given my natal chart, with all the Neptune and Saturn, and Pisces, Aquarius and Capricorn stuff). It would be pleasant to think that Enki's gifts are slowly coming to new fruition in the outer world.

27/10/06 10:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Very very fascinating Kad. I am amazed at how fresh your ideas always are. How much you know. (Please...no humility!)

This guy Enki is most intriguing. I think you are on to something with the GC change. Also Pluto will be in this quadrant for many years starting in '08.

The energies are entirely different from sign to sign but similar in intent in the whole quadrant. Hopefully in the final quadrant we embody our ideals.

master shaper of the world

It starts in Capricorn. man realizes his abilities and responsibilities. He is called to shape his destiny. I am getting more and more interested in Capricorn and this is a beautiful synthesis.

Enki and the World Order" -- in his keeping were the things (whether "good", "bad" or neutral) that underlay the social order

This is the genius. The personal indifference but the regard for the social organism and the knowledge of what's best.

Enki created new solutions in the form of social phenomena such as non-marrying women

This is fantastic. I see this coming. We touched on it earlier in terms of reproduction. It's already clearly evident that the nonmarrying woman is moving from pariah to a respected contributing element in the social structure with unique gifts. I love this one.

Neptune was discovered September 23, 1846 when it was closely conjunct Saturn and seen "in" the stars of Capricorn (tropical zodiac sign Aquarius).

Yes. I think you have something. And you are so connected to it with your setup.

Enki's gifts are slowly coming to new fruition in the outer world.

I'm sure of it. This Pluto passage starting in Cap will be rewarding in many ways. That's why I think the arts will improve. This is an indication with the Aquarius and Pisces, and the Saturn knowledge of the importance of the arts to society's well being.
I am so glad I'm coming out at this time.

27/10/06 11:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

it's also interesting that Enki has his World Order and the one in political power now seems to be coming to an end, although it might take time.

But this does seem to be a highly transitory time. Considering the emphasis in these signs, there might be a resurfacing of ancient knowledge in a blending with where we've recently been.

Apparently when this country was born there was an attempt in the years following to use ancient teachings in developing our government. We will probably be doing this again.

Uranus in Aries, however, will be futuristic so it could get interesting.

27/10/06 11:34 PM  
Blogger Pamela J. Leavey said...

JM

Interesting dream... very interesting. JK's in L.A. Monday. I'm running today and off soon but here's a review of "Death Of A President". I highly recommend seeing it.

27/10/06 11:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Isn't that something Pamela? That dream?

I have good feelings about Monday. There is a new excitemnet in the air. I'm looking forward to the report.

28/10/06 1:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe with the GC in Cap a more logical astrology will develop, less Sagittarian and higher power oriented. more scientific in keeping with the passage into the Age of Aquarius.

Interesting you should say that. My friend Lee is a Sag (who I keep thinking is a Cap) physicist who absolutely rolls her eyes everytime I mention astrology. "Drivel," she snorts. Will NOT believe it.

And the trick in watercolor is knowing the PRECISE moment when the wet paper is ready for the paint. Too wet and it blooms. Too dry and you don't get the lovely easy blending of color.

28/10/06 6:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very,very interesting things to contemplate. Enki sure fits with some of the ancient nordic myth. i am also thinking about neptune's trident and the meaning of it.
i am pressed for time, but will come back to read again and ponder the meanings. Excellent stuff.

And watercolour...i think one never masters it by controlling it but becomes sucessful when the water/pigment is equal partner in the creating. Flowing into and out of the image in ones own mind and the one unfolding.

28/10/06 7:37 AM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"And the trick in watercolor is knowing the PRECISE moment when the wet paper is ready for the paint."

Ahhh, timing, I see. That is so interesting. That would promote mental clarity, as you said before!

28/10/06 8:33 AM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

Good to know you're well, tseka.

"one never masters it by controlling it but becomes successful when the water/pigment is equal partner in the creating. Flowing into and out of the image in ones own mind and the one unfolding."

Now there's a thought-provoking insight into Water, and emotions/relating.

The spontaneity and aethetic surprise is one of the aspects of art that I enjoy most.

28/10/06 8:37 AM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"This is the genius. The personal indifference but the regard for the social organism and the knowledge of what's best."

Some stories have an interesting tension between "good ends don't justify bad means" and "the greater good will make use of every circumstance". In the story of the flood and the boat/ark, Enki warned the king of Shuruppak of Enlil's plan to destroy all life with a great flood.

"It's already clearly evident that the nonmarrying woman is moving from pariah to a respected contributing element in the social structure with unique gifts. I love this one."

I suppose women delaying childbearing fits in here, too. The shift in the overall balance of power is necessary and likely inevitable.

And paradoxically (to the literal-minded), entirely non-procreative types of people were also attributed to the primal creator god who first created humanity from clay. Then, it makes sense to me that the creative energy has to have outlet through other avenues of creative expression, and all extremely important to evolving a healthy civilization.

It's an interesting cultural difference in that population control was believed a main purpose of the antediluvian flood, as opposed to the washing away of sin and iniquity emphasized by the later biblical story. And the later story exaggerates the duration to forty days. The older version of the ark story describes a seven-day flood in Shuruppak, an ancient Sumerian city located within the area we today call Iraq. Archaeologists found evidence in Shuruppak of a river flood that extended nearly as far as another city. It is mentioned in the traditional Sumerian genealogy of kings.

Well, so much for fundamentalist creationists! I must remember this if I ever amuse myself in debate with one again. :-)

28/10/06 9:42 AM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"'Drivel,' she snorts. Will NOT believe it."

Heheh...Best not to trouble rationalists' orderly heads, maybe. I can sympathize with the scientific objections, some of which have become fairly sophisticated. But I can put those issues temporarily aside for the sake of creative exploration.

28/10/06 9:50 AM  
Blogger jm said...

thinking about neptune's trident and the meaning of it.

I got into this recently and would love to continue in the vein. Neptune is not what people usually think.

28/10/06 1:32 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The spontaneity and aesthetic surprise is one of the aspects of art that I enjoy most.

It never fails and always amazes me. One of the reasons for its value to the order. An escape from predictability which sometimes can give the illusion of a sort of death in life. Or a prison.

Surprise is one of my most treasured experiences. It's incredible that the more you do it (art) the more the surprises emerge.

28/10/06 1:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

My friend Lee is a Sag (who I keep thinking is a Cap) physicist who absolutely rolls her eyes everytime I mention astrology. "Drivel," she snorts. Will NOT believe it.

Capricorns, on the other hand, do not usually do this. It has always fascinated me how these logical people are often the most accurate about metaphysics.

28/10/06 2:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Some stories have an interesting tension between "good ends don't justify bad means

This is a lifetime of discussion. Good ends don't even exist. They lead to another chapter. So far there is no end. Death? Some say this is bad, some say it's good.

Bad experiences are probably half of it and our challenge is to see the necessity of these, and maybe develop some conscious will. We all do bad things all the time no matter how hard we try not to. So far it's part and parcel of the whole human experience. Shame, guilt, remorse, etc. are involved in these and we are compelled to face all of it. Tensions, frictions, and all seek equilibrium in man and nature through what we perceive as bad occurrences.

Healing even involves pain so often. Bringing it to the surface for release.

This is a great subject.
And why I've been reluctant to judge the government and our recent experiences. It's too soon. We don't know if it will lead to a "good end".

28/10/06 2:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The floods. So good. This is another extended area of discussion. Natural disasters and mankind.

28/10/06 2:32 PM  

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