Thursday, February 08, 2007

Saturn and Success

The astrological chart is a glorious mandala of characteristics and complications, all wonderful to read and interpret. Every astrologer I know is infinitely delighted with the process.
In ascertaining the goals of the life, I've found no better indicator than the position of the planet Saturn. When it comes to understanding another individual, or as an astrologer giving advice, Saturn is the best guide in the wheel. The North Node of the Moon is the ultimate in fulfillment, and the Ascendant is in conscious evolution, as it rises in the sky at birth, but Saturn is the applied effort in developing the potential. It's what we are working on, usually all of our lives.
In most cases, Saturn sets up a sort of barricade. My view is that this wall is constructed for the purpose of confinement in order to encourage contemplation. We learn to calculate our actions and we learn how to do the job in the best way through this slow steady learning process. Transits of Saturn tend to slow things down for this purpose too. We try everything to get past the wall...we thrust the battering ram, try to sidestep, climb up, ignore, try to dematerialize and pass through, stay trapped behind, or try explosives. Nothing works until the time arrives for the wall to come down. Despair can occur believing one can never get beyond it, but if the work continues through the life, it will happen.
Karmic indicators are many with Saturn, guilt and blockage mostly the results. This is where one has the opportunity to correct past failures and perfect the technique in achieving the aims of the incarnation. It's a path of trial and error and repeated attempts, until mastery is acquired permanently.
So no matter how many planets or other objects are elsewhere, Saturn will demand continual work and attention. If you have planets in Cancer, for example, as I do, and Saturn in Leo, then despite the timidity, sensitivity, fear, and nurturing of Cancer; the ego, will, self confidence and expression of Leo will try to surmount the repression of Cancer, as it seeks development.
If there are planets in Virgo, no matter how much the individual is called into humble service, the life will demand that he learn pride and how to be served himself. He is leaving the steering wheel of the limousine to become its passenger.
And if there are many planets in democratic Aquarius, keeping her magnificence under wraps to benefit the group, fulfillment will evade the person until Saturn in Leo learns to be an autocrat, a monarch, a king. To shine as the special one within the crowd.
Or take Saturn in Libra. Even with a preponderance of planets in deeply emotional Scorpio, the Libra Saturn will try for a marriage of the mind, even deleting some of the visceral excitement. Planets in Aries, who loves to travel solo, ultimately will feel too much loneliness and will search for companionship in a serious way all his life.
In the end a blend is reached, but this elegant planet demands the most hard work and much of the focus of the whole existence. Saturn is form, concrete structure, the skeleton, the matrix around which we function. The denser and stronger the structure, the more security is established. In most cases, tremendous effort is required where Saturn is positioned and repeated failure and disappointment are on the path to final success. The reward of this success is great after the characteristics of the sign are learned more completely than with any other placement.
After the nodes, I'd like to go through the Saturn placement in all the signs. I know I would come out enriched from this experience, and better prepared as we head into the Saturn ruled Capricorn years just ahead, and we all have a great opportunity to achieve our long desired goals.

48 Comments:

Blogger Kadimiros said...

"...Saturn is the applied effort in developing the potential. It's what we are working on, usually all of our lives. In most cases, Saturn sets up a sort of barricade. My view is that this wall is constructed for the purpose of confinement in order to encourage contemplation."

Let's mention here a thing about mental absorption, and the power of focused concentration (a gift of Saturn) to enter into the timeless realm (some would call it Neptunean) associated with the right brain hemisphere and its mystical abilities.

Accessible examples: losing track of time when asborbed in some activity, or while listening to music, and creative reveries that lead to new insights, solutions, inventions.

According to yogic teachings, subtler forms and realities require more focused attention to perceive them. Coarse, diffuse, or scattered attention will not do. Everything that exists is made of subtler forms and finer substances, which in turn are made of even subtler forms and finer substances, and so on.

The self of one's experience has many layers like an onion, or perhaps circles like a mandala, or many corridors and stairs like airy castles of accumulated mental knowledge.

Sometimes people get lost, wandering through the labyrinth of their experiences.

Inward attentiveness allows us to come to consciously know ourselves, traveling through the layers to the experience of core unity at the heart of the labyrinth. Each fascinating layer feels no longer a prison but adds to the richness of the whole as we become aware of it in an expanded way.

It follows that to strengthen a faculty of consciousness, one exercises it. Concentration and resistance create tension, which is a form of power and strength, the wire spring that releases marvelous physical energy surpassing that of the uncompressed, uncoiled form.

So, almost paradoxically, the seeking out of challenges, the experience of resistance, whether physical or mental, athletic or artistic, is naturally in pursuit of the vitality of life, to intensely experience its essence.

9/2/07 1:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

many corridors and stairs like airy castles of accumulated mental knowledge.

Yes. Good description of the self's experience. Beautiful.

Sometimes people get lost, wandering through the labyrinth of their experiences.

I should say so. Enter Neptune, which makes this all right if not good. Getting lost is the sure route to finding the way.

Concentration and resistance create tension, which is a form of power and strength, the wire spring that releases marvelous physical energy surpassing that of the uncompressed, uncoiled form.

Resistance is the basis of electricity, related to this coiled energy.

Compression is a good concept and I think aptly describes Saturn.

the experience of resistance, whether physical or mental, athletic or artistic, is naturally in pursuit of the vitality of life, to intensely experience its essence.

This is such a very good reminder. Today the resistance is up and I know it's needed. I was enjoying a few uncoiled hours previously, but so much for that!

Maybe Saturn is compressing the volatile Neptunian force for creative use now. It seems that way.

9/2/07 2:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Like things moving into empty space, the tension and resistance move into relaxed areas as the pressure systems create weather.

The golden key is to experience these as equal in value. How to welcome tension is quite a technique to learn.

9/2/07 2:27 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Well, there's tension, and there's tension. Normal tension is probably not the problem. Reactivity can be more of a problem. Sort of like when the suspense is worse than the event, or makes the event worse than it would have been. Maybe the way involves unlearning, of patterns, through giving ourselves permission to try something different, or do things differently than before, just experimentally, no pressure.

Today, I'm reading a passage about aversion in a book describing metaphorical woods, lovely to stroll through, but many who take their exercise there find their experience unsatisfactory...because of the pebbles in their shoes, pebbles they didn't want to think about, that made them walk funny all morning, that they brought along with them when they left their homes.

Fascinating how we twist away from the still point while attempting to escape. But in escaping unhappiness, we also escape happiness, and the twisting of the personality is perhaps more painful than the object of avoidance. Extended patterns of avoidance behaviors makes people weaker, I think. There has to be a balance. Otherwise, it comes down to "use it or lose it."

I heard that since my father's illness during the summer, my mother has forbade his morning exercise. Apparently, she's afraid that he is so fragile that he'll drop dead from exertion! However, exercise is precisely what the doctor recommends. Conversely, my mother's fear-based demand is a prescription for atrophy and shortened life. Often, we can see how exterior circumstances are the externalization of internal patterns.

The way this works comes through very clearly in states of consciousness other than the consensus trance. For example, let's take a child dreaming at night. If a fearful thought occurs to him, then it is much more likely that the object of fear will suddenly appear in hot pursuit. But, if he become suspicious of the whole setup, if he decided to just allow himself to see what happens if he doesn't run in fear, then the outcome is completely different. If he is clever, he may even catch himself sometime in the act of directing his dreams, narrating to himself what is about to happen next, or revising the storyline as he goes along.

Here, the challenge is not so much to pre-emptively coerce thought, for it is thought's nature to move and change, but simply to notice it, and release it from bondage.

We are always in some state of consciousness, some trance or other, concentrating on something. We could learn to broaden and to narrow focus, see how the macroscopic and microscopic are a whole. But most of us at least have many times when we may choose where and on what to pay attention. And it is attention that reveals doors of possibility and opportunity hitherto unseen.

10/2/07 2:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And it is attention that reveals doors of possibility and opportunity hitherto unseen.

Excellent phrase. I completely agree and spend much life force in support of this. Staying just that extra minimoment in an experience can make the difference. People react as if they're being chased.

Reactivity can be more of a problem

And how. First there's response which can't be controlled. Maybe repatterned with great effort, don't know. Then the reaction where we do have control. This is where the group comes in, and people go in accord with that. I don't know if a leader determines this or what. But it can lead to huge complications.

suspense is worse than the event, or makes the event worse than it would have been

This is almost always the case. We seemed to be programmed for this. Maybe as a way to learn reasoning ability and control of emotions. We can't prevent unpleasant experiences, and this has something to do with what you said about allowing tension.

because of the pebbles in their shoes, pebbles they didn't want to think about, that made them walk funny all morning,

I think this is relative and has everything to do with the degree of the disturbance. Whether it dominates the pleasure or not. I think this is the ratio we always deal with as we go, based both on realism and imagination.
So interesting as we negotiate and manage pain. How can this be taught?

But in escaping unhappiness, we also escape happiness, and the twisting of the personality is perhaps more painful than the object of avoidance.

Beautifully said. Perfect.

There is some fundamental fear that prevents complete participation in most experience. Then agony and ecstasy are pursued, possibly because they override the hesitation and the person is swept away. A desired and feared event. I wonder if letting go of barriers along the way could make the unhappiness more manageable, the happiness more accessible, and the extremes less desirable.

If he is clever, he may even catch himself sometime in the act of directing his dreams, narrating to himself what is about to happen next, or revising the storyline as he goes along.

Now we're talking will, sometimes very useful.

Here, the challenge is not so much to pre-emptively coerce thought, for it is thought's nature to move and change, but simply to notice it, and release it from bondage.

This is it. The release from bondage. Very hard as habit has a certain unbendable metallic content. Iron chains. This is the South Node.

But thought arises from something else, doesn't it? Can we merely reprogram our thinking, or is the source in another place?

10/2/07 3:20 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"There is some fundamental fear that prevents complete participation in most experience."

And fear of fear! LOL

"Then agony and ecstasy are pursued, possibly because they override the hesitation and the person is swept away. A desired and feared event."

And compulsions. Which may be from the thought of escape.

"I wonder if letting go of barriers along the way could make the unhappiness more manageable, the happiness more accessible, and the extremes less desirable."

I think that there are options. The underlying belief that there are no options prompts crazy behavior, like we read in the news with regularity. People who seem successful but then flip out. Such as that astronaut in the love triangle.

I find that if I intend ongoing situations and relationships to be different, I just change my way of looking at them, and expect that something different will happen. And then other people either go along, or they don't, and either way, we get to move on.

"But thought arises from something else, doesn't it? Can we merely reprogram our thinking, or is the source in another place?"

Well, I think that some people do reprogram, sometimes ploddingly.

I think that perception goes beyond thought patterns. Therefore, anything that focuses attention in the here and now, the eternal present, affords us better access to our abilities and to fresh energy. We can go to the here, now.

Thought patterns have been known to change dramatically after a perceptual breakthrough, although the breakthrough seems to come with the experience of difficulty. (If there was only ease and no difficulty, then there would be no breakthrough nor need of one, and therefore nothing much to comment on.)

Here is something I was reading earlier today.

Once upon a time, there was a farm boy who was nicknamed "Dictionary" in school because he was often found reading the dictionary.

There he'd sit, looking up a word. And the way he'd look up a word was to start at the very beginning of the book, go through each column on the page, and on every page, flipping from one page to the next page, until he finally came across the word he wanted. And you can imagine how this took up much of his time, but he must have been motivated, because he did it over and over again.

One day, while he was in the midst of doing this, there was a brilliant flash of light that blotted out everything. And it was because he suddenly realized that he could skip along quickly to the word he wanted because the dictionary had an alphabetical organization to it.

There was a kind of overall structure that made it possible for him to go leap ahead quickly to the word whose meaning he wanted to learn!

Suddenly, the structure that had been like a formidable barrier was transformed as if into a map from which he could see how the roads ran.

And we may be amused by this story, but for him, that was literally an experience of "most blinding, dazzling light."

Again and again in his life, apparent obstacles were hidden opportunities, through which he created and fulfilled his destiny as a great therapist.

His biography

His astrological chart

There is method to his madness. He said that in almost all of his therapeutic techniques, there is a confusion.

I've thought before that there's something interesting in those areas where astrology is nebulous, capable of variant interpretations, indeterministic or silent -- the astrologer's scary "void of course," for example. But I feel that there is a special kind of potential at such times when reality seems undefined. Maybe fresh energy enters, and something gives a tiny nudge, or coaxes conditions to unfold its potential, like a blossom in the night to surprise us in the morning.

10/2/07 4:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Suddenly, the structure that had been like a formidable barrier was transformed as if into a map from which he could see how the roads ran.

You just described the astrological chart..:-)
Great dictionary story.

like a blossom in the night to surprise us in the morning.

Unless it's a Night-blooming Narcissus...:-)

So this is true? This little dictionary chap?
Very interesting. Will be back shortly to look at the chart and bio. Just up my street.

in those areas where astrology is nebulous, capable of variant interpretations, indeterministic or silent -- the astrologer's scary "void of course," for example

Perfect example. They are mostly confused and wrong. I wrote something on this awhile back. Astrology is changing now and thus the massive public failure at predicting the last pres election and all the fallout now. I think I've been holding back and waiting for this moment. Astrology is NOT hocus pocus. It's mathematical, and even if subject to interpretation, it is more empirical than commonly thought. When I read a chart, no one is in doubt. More on this, a favorite subject of mine when I return.

10/2/07 4:59 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"You just described the astrological chart..:-)"

Isn't it funny how that happens? Heh heh.

"So this is true? This little dictionary chap?"

Most likely! It's more common, I think, to struggle with learning to tie shoelaces or neckties, but everyone has something, ha ha!

"Astrology is changing now..."

Well, that would be interesting. I just have the feeling that if it's to advance, there probably has to be a new way of looking at some old doctrines and basic components of it.

10/2/07 5:13 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Milton Erickson. fascinating story.
North Node conjunct the MC in Scorpio.
Wow what a fit to his destiny.

10/2/07 5:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Must check this out. This Milton character.

just have the feeling that if it's to advance, there probably has to be a new way of looking at some old doctrines and basic components of it.

That's what's happening now.

I got involved with astrology when the new wave of psychological/mythological ones came into more prominence and I learned from the best. I enjoyed the old doctrines, and gleaned some things, but the new reached my core being and I fell in love with the science.

This will happen as prediction and fear diminish. I believe prediction is pretty well finished, as the way Pluto in Capricorn unfolds will prove.
People have to be ready for the truth about themselves in order for the new wave to flourish and that will take some doing.

But beyond the systems is the patterning that you talk of so often. One must take off from the literal pattern in the chart and see the patterns within. They are different in every chart, So the way is to drop preconceptions as much as possible and not to get hung up in the system details. They are the springboard.

The thing is, is I don't know if this can be taught or not. People are astounded at my accuracy in pinpointing life issues, and this is how I do it. the mandala of the individual, not the strictures/structures of the system.

The nodes are of immeasurable help and once you get the main pattern, the inner patterns reveal themselves quite easily.

It's not Mars in Leo, or Saturn sqaure the Sun, It's elements, modalities, geometric patterns, everything combined. And the unique dance in the chart. Everything has a purpose and doesn't need to be changed. Just tweaked. This can be seen, similar to the pictures you posted before that have other pictures within.

10/2/07 8:03 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Interesting with the NN in Scorpio. A very interesting node in itself. If anyone can get get stuck in old patterns, it's Taurus.

The NN in Scorpio, if used, will often bring about almost cataclysmic change in a life. A complete departure from the old. The ones I know aren't doing it. They stay and stay and stay and return and stay. Sometimes the whole house has to burn down in some way.

Must get to Milton.

10/2/07 8:08 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"North Node conjunct the MC in Scorpio.
Wow what a fit to his destiny."


Neat chart, isn't it? The Scorpio MC, and other things like the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction over the Ascendant in Capricorn, and the Uranus-Sun conjunction in Sagittarius. His Mars is in Capricorn, appealingly, like the current transit. I would still be surprised by the specifics of how his life unfolded, but it doesn't take too much to see the resonance after reading the biographical sketch.

Pioneers are so interesting!

10/2/07 8:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And this is interesting now that I think about it.

When I first got into counseling I was excited and thought the people would enjoy investigating their personalities from this perspective, No matter how deeply they wanted to probe. All very simple and innocent. I never attracted the, "when will the house sell?" type, so I was relieved of that.

Well it didn't work that way. I believe they sensed the magnitude of the knowledge, and really wanted it, but weren't ready. So I ceased the practice. Just as well, since one is dealing with another's life in all of this and mistakes are definitely not advised.

It was hard. I always want to share the info, and felt their desire, but the block, the fault of no one, made it impossible except in some rare cases where people already had self awareness.

The usual was a fixation on what others were doing to impede progress. It was virtually impossible for them to understand that they were impeding themselves. Not much I could do. Same thing with the country now and the government. Blaming the politicians is childish. They are us. And a terrible waste of astrology when used to predict what mood the president will be in on Feb. 15, and where his poll numbers will be.

Most atrologers I think are pretty much harmless, but not effective. They might make a little money describing someone's Moon in Aries, but little is done to encourage real personal advancement. too much emphasis is placed on the astrologer "getting it right". This is almost impossible to overcome.

In reading for a person, when it works, I've found that I don't do the reading. They guide me, and I provide insight and timing. Most of the chart is not important to the issue at hand.

And if the country wants a better government, the astrologers would be well advised to address the real problems in the society, without excess fear and prediction.

People often truly want to know what's happening and want to participate in their destinies, so time will tell. Astrology must change and it will.

10/2/07 8:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That does it! On to Milton!

10/2/07 8:31 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"This can be seen, similar to the pictures you posted before that have other pictures within."

Well, now. If that's the analogy, then I have hope. Because I seem to remember reading of one guy who said that his brother couldn't see the 3D images, no matter how he tried. But then a year or so later, he tried again and finally got it then.

Like our farm boy with the dictionary, maybe their interest built up energy, that concentrated tension, suddenly released as new perception.

10/2/07 8:31 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I always want to share the info, and felt their desire, but the block, the fault of no one, made it impossible except in some rare cases where people already had self awareness."

Hmm, that's the nice thing about writing a book. The author can send it out there, and it will reach people who are receptive and can make some use of it. Like Emily Dickinson's poem of possibility (although she might be amused to know how I went scenting for it amidst the business books).

10/2/07 8:36 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG in Heaven!!!! This man!

I don’t know why it took me so long. Did my unconscious purposely withhold that knowledge because of the immense amount of education I got from reading the dictionary

Exactly, exactly, exactly. My crusade. That one thing leads to another, good or bad. The purpose. I'm not alone!

10/2/07 8:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes yes yes kadimiros.
The concentrated tension leading to breakthrough.

Like the rubber band.

You're going to see a lot of this in astrologers as they now struggle with their frustration accuracy-wise. They will see it in time.

10/2/07 8:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And that is so encouragimg about seeing the picture a year later. I too have hope.

10/2/07 8:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This is fantastic. This man. Thank you so much for this. I'm taking my time, but...

This experience may have contributed to Erickson's technique of using 'ordeals' in a therapeutic context. (See below).

NN in Scorpio.

10/2/07 8:44 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh that Emily!

Hmm, that's the nice thing about writing a book. The author can send it out there, and it will reach people who are receptive and can make some use of it.

The advantage to the one on one, though, is the ability to influence the path in the connection in realtime with the informant. Great when it works.

10/2/07 8:49 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"And a terrible waste of astrology when used to predict what mood the president will be in on Feb. 15, and where his poll numbers will be."

LOL! Well, I'm not sure how useful that is to anyone else. And one could expect the occasional disconnect of a personality's mood with reality.

"And if the country wants a better government, the astrologers would be well advised to address the real problems in the society, without excess fear and prediction."

An excellent point. The problems are the impetus for new solutions.

10/2/07 8:52 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"This is fantastic. This man."

Yes, he is altogether fascinating in some of his insights. Very apropos to the work of dealing with resistant clients, whether in business or therapy, I suspect!

And he pioneered a new use of language, now called "Ericksonian language patterns", taking a non-authoritarian approach, and working respectfully and in cooperation with the wisdom of the unconscious, instead of ordering the "unconscious" about the way others tried to do. A very, very advanced farm boy, plodding through the dictionary a word at a time, Saturn on the Ascendant and all.

10/2/07 8:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The problems are the impetus for new solutions.

Hallelujah. What a treat to talk to people in the know. Nothing can be deleted in the progression. Getting with it is best and finding those solutions.

This man is absolutely great. And I still have to get to the chart. Yes on the lack of authoritarianism. I specifically have changed my language over time to refrain from telling someone he "needs to do something". Not from any theory, just seeing that it doesn't work. His views on resistance are wonderful.

For example the authoritative "you will stop smoking" is likely to find less leverage on the unconscious level than "you can become a non-smoker". The first is a direct command, to be obeyed or ignored (and notice that it draws attention to the act of smoking), the second is an opening, an invitation to possible lasting change, without pressure, and which is less likely to raise resistance.

Very good.

Recently the only way I could get control over the pain was by sitting in bed, pulling a chair close, and pressing my larynx against the back of the chair. That was very uncomfortable: But it was discomfort I was deliberately creating.

I've worked a lot with this and I believe in it strongly. That's why I do my own healing. If I am behind the wheel of pain, it's all right, and much more effective. This is my problem with the medical profession and doctors torturing people. It might alleviate symptoms but perpetuates fear of others and expectation of being hurt. Big one for me.


How did you know you should come here?" I said, "I didn't know. The horse knew. All I did was keep his attention on the road."

Exactly. The point of the chart.

This is all highly interesting.

10/2/07 9:13 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I am going to do a lot of thinking about this resistance approach. Resistance creates energy. It makes so much sense.

10/2/07 9:15 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"If he is clever, he may even catch himself sometime in the act of directing his dreams, narrating to himself what is about to happen next, or revising the storyline as he goes along."

"Now we're talking will, sometimes very useful."

And sometimes a light touch will do.
Just as a fearful idea, maintained and enlarged upon, can grow into an unpleasant dream, the opposite is true. Just sort of musing along: "Now if the dream continues in this direction, I sense I won't like the outcome. But, if a new character enters through that doorway, then I feel that it all goes in a much nicer direction." And with that thought, a new dream character does appear in the dream doorway.

Perhaps astrology can show the points where this can happen with the energy patterns in the chart. Instead of predicting events, also show the places that make the structure flexible and alive. That brings a participatory element into the picture for the consultee -- "Here's what we got. And here's a few possibilities with that, and you might be able to think of some others, too, if you look at it in another way."

10/2/07 9:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Very good approach. Possibility.

Perhaps astrology can show the points where this can happen with the energy patterns in the chart. Instead of predicting events, also show the places that make the structure flexible and alive.

Predicting is not only wrong so often, but harmful in stealing will. It's like telling the plot of a movie. We hate that. All surprise and joy are bled from life this way.

Yes, flexible and alive. Look at the epidemic of arthritis and the lack of flexibility.

Here's a good example:
Say you predict an earthquake in someone's hometown. And if by some miracle it happens, what if the person needs to experience this for some major advancement in the life? Would not the astrologer be wrong in advising an escape?

We can never ever know the internal processes a person is destined to experience and have them manifest in outer reality. The chart is ony a sketch.

10/2/07 10:06 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So after a harrowing week I decided to treat myself to some ice cream. I got it home, plopped it down on the kitchen counter, and came down to fire up the computer. The conversation was so fascinating that my box of ice cream melted on the cutting board! Stayed in the box, though, which is more than I can say for this conversation.:-)

10/2/07 10:10 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

LOL! Hey, the man did have Saturn in Capricorn...so....

Can you refreeze melted ice cream or is it ruined?

On a positive note, reminds me of an old Archie comic. Archie's family were watching TV and having snacks one night. In the morning, it was, Oh no! We left the ice cream out on the kitchen counter! It's all melted.

And just as they were about to pour it down the sink, in walks Jughead, the king of munchers. And Jughead, in horror, orders them to stop lest they commit a most grievous error. And the family has a wonderful moment of collective huh.

And as they stand stalled in their morning routines, confused (and therefore open to the new), Jughead explains, demonstrating as he talks, that melted ice cream has all kinds of possibilities!

As sweetener and creamer in the morning cup of coffee, for example. Mixed into waffle batter. And so on, until all of the ice cream was used somewhere, somehow.

And soon the Archie family was enjoying their breakfast in a novel, entertaining way with Jughead.

Of course, I've never tried melted ice cream in anything, so I can't swear to its goodness according to the world of Jughead. I do seem to recall having fried ice cream as a child traveling with my parents in foreign lands, but I doubt that compares!

10/2/07 10:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh yes! Not ruined at all. Refreeze and enjoy. I would enjoy it in any state of solidity though. I'm not hard to please.

Ha ha!! The MAN with Saturn. Plus a lot of other things. This is a very very interesting chart and I'm going to use it as an example in the node journey.

I love Archie!!!!! And Veronica! Thanks for the light skip down memory lane. Oh oh oh.

Jughead!!!! Ha ha ha!!! He has good sense like mine. Eat it, man! Use it! Love it! A good example in our wasteful times. Jughead for President!

There's always a Jughead character. Like Maynard in Dobie Gillis. Good dispositions.

C'mon. Fried ice cream!

10/2/07 10:55 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Yes! Ha ha! It's been spreading: "Fried ice cream is an Americanized Mexican/Asian dessert. ...Fried ice cream has also become a common dessert served in Chinese and Japanese restaurants."

Recipes usually specify eggs, and cornflakes or cookie crumbs as additional ingredients.

11/2/07 11:52 AM  
Blogger jm said...

What??????

No cheerios?????????????

11/2/07 2:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh no!!!!!!!!!!

Not a deep-fried twinkie?
Please tell me it ain't so.

11/2/07 2:15 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Well, the corn is sacred!

Although rice crispies and rice chex have been used, too. And Special K for those who want to pretend it's healthy!

11/2/07 3:21 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Jughead for President!"

With that cool hat, what's not to love.

11/2/07 3:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Love is the word. Wouldn't that be great?

11/2/07 4:00 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Well, well. According to the on-line encyclopedia, Jughead has extraordinary good luck, and may be the great great grandson of a magician from Arthurian legend.

I would think that good luck disqualifies him from the presidency!

12/2/07 8:41 PM  
Blogger jm said...

WHAT???????????

Yes, indeed. What a waste of that kind of fortune.

Jughead is an angel, really. This makes sense. So luck must spring from basic goodness within.

Maybe what we perceive as good luck in bad people, really isn't good luck at all.

Jughead deserves it. And we deserve Jughead.

But that leaves a vacancy in the presidential choices. What is one to do?

12/2/07 8:50 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"But that leaves a vacancy in the presidential choices. What is one to do?"

::laughs evilly::

12/2/07 9:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I wonder if Little Lulu is available. it's time for a lady president.

12/2/07 9:29 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

LOL! Felix the Cat would be okay, too, and his bag of tricks!

12/2/07 10:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Felix!!!!! Yes!!!!!

love the name.
There are so many possibilities, when you think about it. Lots of qualified candidates.

Wimpy for VP!!

12/2/07 10:24 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

He'd do it if we donate burgers!

Well, maybe someone will run a cartoon elections. It'd be interesting to see how the field shakes out, and who ends up sharing a ticket.

13/2/07 10:39 AM  
Blogger jm said...

It's such a great idea and so much fun. These characters are our mythology. It would be fascinating to see who everyone would pick. I'm going to try this. A "cartoon election". Fantastic idea.

13/2/07 1:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Zorro for president!!

14/2/07 4:57 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Ah, yes. Better than Zero for president!

Oh, gee, they better not be both running at the same time; imagine the confused voters. That would be bad.

19/2/07 12:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Hahahaha!!! Zero! I now who's they vote for!

Ah, well. Zorro's too active for the job anyway. And he's his own man.

19/2/07 1:44 PM  
Anonymous AG said...

Would it be inappropriate to ask for your thoughts on Saturn in Gemini in the 1st?

20/2/07 11:25 AM  

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