Tuesday, October 16, 2007

The Miracle of the Universe

French archaeologists just discovered an 11,000-year-old wall painting underground in northern Syria which they believe is the oldest in the world. 9000 B.C. It looks like a modernist painting. Some of those who saw it have likened it to work by Paul Klee.


Hammamet Motif.1914
II just experienced one of those glorious moments that adds immeasurably to my faith in the universe. The artist, Paul Klee, came into my consciousness several weeks ago and I didn't know why. I simply had to study his work. Today this discovery of the oldest wall painting known to man was announced and the association was impossible to miss. Then it got even more astonishing as I investigated further.
The main thing here is Klee's Sun in Sagittarius at exactly 26 degrees, the galactic center of our Milky Way, where Pluto is positioned now.
Klee was an artist, a philosophical man, and a spiritual seeker with a Moon-Jupiter conjunction in Pisces, precisely where the north node of the Moon is now. His natal Uranus is conjunct Saturn transiting in opposition to the node. He's known largely for his whimsy and his detachment from ordinary perception. He had this to say on the subject of evil:
Evil shouldn't be an enemy which triumphs or confounds, but rather a force which converges in the realization of everything. A factor which intervenes in generation and development, like a statement of ethical stability.
Then it goes on. Klee's chart has Mercury at 10 degrees Scorpio, where transiting Mercury is retrograde now. When his death was near, which he had known about much earlier, he painted the experience in a series spanning four months.

Death and Fire
As Klee no longer kept up his diaries, it's known from correspondence with his wife that death was omnipresent in his mind. His remaining energy was dedicated exclusively to his work which he carried out in total isolation.
He produced a considerable number of pieces in these last four months. His leisure time was given to reading Aeschylus's Oresteia.
I'm treasuring this moment, as the oldest official wall painting of mankind is discovered. Art lives.

147 Comments:

Blogger m.p.k. said...

Great entry, remarkable resemblance to Klee, but definitely not the oldest painting, just the oldest wall painting. I think the oldest paintings are in caves of Lascaux. Wikipedia dates them to between 15,000 and 13,000 BC.

16/10/07 11:34 AM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

Evil shouldn't be an enemy which triumphs or confounds, but rather a force which converges in the realization of everything. A factor which intervenes in generation and development, like a statement of ethical stability.

This is amazing, I'm fascinated. This along with your insights into this relevance inspires me to further explore his work.

16/10/07 12:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG!! Mpk! I am so glad you picked up on this. I knew someone would, but not many. I was stunned, absolutely stunnd by this definition of evil. He was abused by the Nazi regime and diagnosed with a fatal disease and still said this. Oh how people cling to the victimization and continue to remain obedient to masters.

I've never heard anything like it and I know its truth. "Ethical stability". Of course. How else could we recognize good and act acordingly?

16/10/07 2:26 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Shall we add the words on his tombstone here?
"I belong not only to this life. I live as well with the dead, as with those not born. Nearer to the heart of creation than others, but still too far."

These words seem a fitting definition to the Galactic Center - Hel's bridge..

In 1972 i hitchhiked across Switzerland to see his work. It was a profound experience to be in the midst of so many pieces. Deceptive, they often seem quite simple. He strips to the essence. Months later they were still burning holes. And 35 years later they are remembered still. Not simple at all.

16/10/07 2:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG Tseka!!!

I belong not only to this life. I live as well with the dead, as with those not born.

Heavens. Kin.

Now you tell us about the Swiss trip! Something is definitely up.

16/10/07 2:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There are so many places to look each moment. So many dimensions within dimensions. It's good to have eyes that seek, n'est-ce pas?

16/10/07 2:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Bridges and centers.

16/10/07 2:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I was paralyzed by this statement on evil and I sat here staring at the computer absorbing, recognizing and feeling relief that the truth can be stated so easily in the midst of this psychosis, this fleeing from evil. From life. The accusations that prevent the full experience and the silly idea that people can fight it in some hand to hand type of combat.

Death and horror haunt us but then it seems that humanity exacerbates it by constantly re-creating the scenario and losing since it stays in one form or another. Maybe just to see and try to understand. We simply can do nothing to prevent our physical deaths. Why can't that be all right?

I once asked my friend, "Why are people so irresistibly attracted to pictures of surgery and blood? Her answer, "Just to see, I guess."

We're programmed to prefer the negative
So much of human's lives are caught in this web of confusion about this half of existence, and I think this magnifies its horrors. Why are the majority programmed to misunderstand and some get it?

Evil is not personal. It's not after anyone. They chase it. Try to keep it. Watch it on the TV over and over and over. Then take in a week-end movie laced with it. In reality, it comes and goes.

Somewhere in the chip is the undertanding, buried, and some selected people have it revealed.

This along with your insights into this relevance inspires me to further explore his work.

He did many things, his writing and knowing being just as important, I believe.

The art of mastering life is the prerequisite for all further forms of expression, whether they are paintings, sculptures, tragedies, or musical compositions.

This says it all to me.

16/10/07 3:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I have a painting in my home entitled Opening at Lascaux

The cavesmen are standing around the paintings holding cocktails. Beautiful colors and some cocky cavemen.

16/10/07 3:52 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

hahaha cocky cavemen with cocktails leave it to you jm. Sounds wonderful.

maybe a song in there?

16/10/07 4:33 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Yes, i have loved Klee since i was introduced to his work in 1970.

Probably no other single artist has changed me so much. I was a beginning art student at University of Washington. Michael Spafford an inspiration in himself brought in some slides, challenged us to name the painter, Rembrandt, many thought, and it could have been. Spafford had a smug smile and continued to show slides without comment. The progression was astonishing as Klee found his style through elimination of extraneous. One line could speak volumes - but it was the right line.

In one afternoon i became someone else. This was Klee's power over me. So it is fascinating to share this moment here with others. He speaks again.

16/10/07 4:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Songs everywhere. It's so infinite I barely even have to write any. It's kind of interesting. I used to be on a wild goose chase with all my impulses, but now I know they'll be there, the ideas and inspiration, no matter what. But then 100s of songs are piled up in reality already, so maybe that accounts for some relaxation around the subject. "Some" being the operative word. And maybe the only place where there's any relaxation these days.

If you all would stop being so entertaining, brilliant, warm, and wonderful I might could start chasing geese.

16/10/07 4:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

No!!!!! What?????

You are beguiling and mysterious, you are. Holding off on the dissemination of knowledge. Timing, no doubt.

This is pretty much blowing my mind, your relationship with Klee. And not a peep when I first posted. Fascinating.

The progression was astonishing as Klee found his style through elimination of extraneous. One line could speak volumes - but it was the right line.

I also was amazed at the progression. His broad reach into life and the cosmos was actually able to grasp something. He had three planets in Taurus. The Taurus,Sag,Scorpio theme. Lots of quincunx energy. I still think the inconjunct is about talent.

So it is fascinating to share this moment here with others. He speaks again.

Oh I agree. This is a great joy for me. A moment of togetherness apart from the ordinary. Way apart.

16/10/07 4:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm working diligently on avoiding he suction of the crowd and this encounter with Klee seems to be a part of it. He was socially and politically present but sure of his path, and I aspire to this exactly as you know.

I think he's right. That if you really are inspired there's no doubt about it. Following yourself is the only answer. Not even finding it. I think the discovery of self comes in the pursuit, naturally in time. It's where one trains the eye. The seeing I and the feeling I.

16/10/07 4:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The car's in the shop, I'm staying home, and I'm going to bask in this moment and gather my enthusiasm.

This was the last Moon in Sagittarius before Pluto leaves the GC. I think we got it.

16/10/07 5:03 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

He had three planets in Taurus. The Taurus,Sag,Scorpio theme. Lots of quincunx energy. I still think the inconjunct is about talent.

This feels very important and i agree. The inconjunct i think has some special esoteric meaning.

I was thinking about this the other day. The meaning of the Taurus, Sagittarius, Scorpio inconjuncts as a pattern of transformation, on a level we normally do not operate in. Perhaps some mathematical configurations (trine square etc) work on the mundane personality, physical and others especially when exact or in tight orb carry information that is accessible through other means.
Does this make any sense?

16/10/07 5:06 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I notice where Paul's Moon is 2 Pisces. Nothin like a NN conjunction. Nothin like a nodal return.

16/10/07 5:08 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Saturn opposition included. Deciding moment?

The inconjunct i think has some special esoteric meaning.

I know it does. It's going to be my next big study. It excites me like the nodes, the secrets waiting for me.

The meaning of the Taurus, Sagittarius, Scorpio inconjuncts as a pattern of transformation, on a level we normally do not operate in

Yes. Consciously, that is. The inconjunct is the natural 8th house aspect with the ASC so the unconscious is involved, I think, teaching us to leave the ususal momentarily and go deeper.

others especially when exact or in tight orb carry information that is accessible through other means.

Very well said. I'm ready to research. I have one so I can be a guinea pig.

16/10/07 5:16 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ain't astrology sump'n?

16/10/07 5:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Mr. Klee:

-Sun 26 Sag inconjunct Pluto 25 Taurus
-Mercuty 10 Sag inconjunct Mars 13, Neptune 9 Taurus
-Jupiter 6 Pisces inconjunct Uranus 9 Virgo
-Saturn 9 Aries inconjunct Venus 10 Scorpio

Whew! I think we have our specimen Dr.

16/10/07 5:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Ain't astrology sump'n?

Heheh. Equal to the folks who get it and decipher the marvelous codes.

16/10/07 5:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm officially starting the celebration of your nodal return.

16/10/07 5:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So you in particular have been chosen to receive with this 2 Pisces factor from Paul. his mars-Neptune are on my NN. so I'm not far behind.

So I'm wondering if this return is start of a new 19 year cycle for you as an artist. It's no wonder your website came valiantly to life, art exposed in the dining room.

16/10/07 5:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Maybe if we look at the inconjunct as the point between the trine and the opposition. One is going to the opp, one is going to the next trine. Someplace between ease and conflict.

16/10/07 5:32 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm going to start investigating the inconjunct in relation to death, being the 8th house aspect. Klee's views toward death mirror mine, which have always been different from the norm. He saw it as something to be painted. He naturally wanted to participate until the end. He was not a victim. He was a journalist.

16/10/07 5:37 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I was just going to point out that Mars-neptune.

You've got my attention and i'm listening closely.
My beloved has a bucketful of inconjuncts

16/10/07 5:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Which ones? We can start to piece it together.

Taurus-Sag is about the spiritual and philosophical becoming practically manifest. M had Jupiter in Taurus which is similar. Remember the nailed Buddha? I think of the hand reaching into the cosmos and physically plucking a galaxy. Then studying it with pleasure and applying it to earthly life.

16/10/07 5:48 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

mmmm i just went and ran a synastry between Klee and T.
My word.

Jup merc venus sun in Taurus.
Mars Sco

T's mars | K's venus sco
T's moon| K's Saturn

jeez there's more but that's mighty interesting.

For years we thought T's Asc was 27 Sag but that could be wrong the alt birth time puts his DC there which puts T's Mc on K's moon.

hmm life gets more interesting all the time.
Of course it was in that classroom that T and i met and got inspired to go to Switzerland and we were both pretty damn blown away by Klee.
Astrology.man...

16/10/07 6:00 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Holy smokes just realized that sitting in that classroom back in 70-71 North Node was going over my NN and T's immediately following.

Well hmmm maybe this is a node party.
Me and Zamma will have a double header for her 22nd. We are just waiting for the canopener to decide to get with the cake making.

16/10/07 6:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

T's node? Aquarius was it?

The plot is thickening like mad. I thought we got most of it but others are coming on board.

M's Mars -Jupiter conjunct K's mars-Neptune.
M's Saturn conjunct K's Merc

Something in the Taurus-Sag inconjunct. The universal artist who infuses his work with philosophy and truth.

16/10/07 6:10 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

jeez jm!!
the patio is swept, shall i make some coffee?

16/10/07 6:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Holy smokes just realized that sitting in that classroom back in 70-71 North Node was going over my NN and T's immediately following.

And K's Jupiter. Node there now opposite Saturn for release from the South.

I had a major major insight and breakthrough yesterday. I realized the beauty of the SN. It says that we are free. We don't have to do it anymore if we don't want to. Maybe the most liberating point ultimately. Everything else in the chart has to be done.

16/10/07 6:15 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Yes T's NN is 26+ AQ

So he has the Mars Neptune in Libra

16/10/07 6:16 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I realized the beauty of the SN. It says that we are free. We don't have to do it anymore if we don't want to. Maybe the most liberating point ultimately. Everything else in the chart has to be done.

I absolutely believe this the south is our magic bag. What we know. It's all about whether we dip in the bag to help us achieve. The cross of matter.

16/10/07 6:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The Full Moon in Taurus with Pluto in Sag. Then the next FM in T will have Pluto at 29. nov.'08.

16/10/07 6:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

How did he manifest the Mars-Nep in Libra? And White Knight savior stuff?

16/10/07 6:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That's the mistake we make. We can have the choice when we see it at th South. And not lip service. Until then it's like a master-slave relationship. So maybe it teaches us self determination.

16/10/07 6:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think this might mimic the Sun-Moon dynamic where domination by the Sun is the ususal now in evolution. So perhaps the wobblys are aware of this magic and equality of the conscious and subconscious. The light of the dark.

16/10/07 6:27 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I miswrote. It would be an out of sign conj for Mar Nep.

I meant to write Saturn Neptune in Libra.

Saturn opp Moon i think has been a bugaboo for him.

16/10/07 6:38 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

My wobbly node Taurus Brother shares Klee's NN.
My wobbly node son has his NN on their SN.

Feels like family heh.

16/10/07 6:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Saturn opp Moon i think has been a bugaboo for him.

Him and probably everyone else who has it. Saturn puts a wall around the feeling body. You know the result. I've seen people break through with torrential emotional expression then close up again. It's not that they don't feel. It's just that the road from response to the outside has to go through Saturn's structure, so by the time it gets out, spontaneity is lost. Often they brood instead with all that effort involved.

Geeze. Family yes.

It's a very interesting aspect and I mean to delve into here.

16/10/07 6:48 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Kad has stuff there i remember - it's the black hole Hel.

16/10/07 6:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I already feel this Taurus Moon coming and the calm after the Hel hole has poured out the nourishment. My head felt like Zeus giving birth to Athene the last two days.

16/10/07 7:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It really is amazing and this is what Klee was trying to tell us. Just live. Do what you will. Then die when the time comes. One doesn't have to be smothered by the matrix, one can use it.

16/10/07 7:04 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

My head felt like Zeus giving birth to Athene the last two days

I believe you. This is why i love mercury retrograde the noise dies down enough to hear.

16/10/07 7:04 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

One doesn't have to be smothered by the matrix, one can use it

yes, sacred language for the few who listen.

16/10/07 7:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm taking note of how he was always establishing his own identity. Saturn in Aries. With all the planets on my NN this seems to be the personal message to me.

It's so interesting that he had a SN in Cancer and the Saturn in Aries. At the end he left the family and worked alone. The last 4 months were his self actualization, so he relished the experience even though death was at the end. Sometimes I think that might be the impetus we all need to finally get it.

16/10/07 7:09 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I believe you. This is why i love mercury retrograde the noise dies down enough to hear.

Beautifully put. I've always loved Merc retro. I think it's great to have it natally.

16/10/07 7:11 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Here's something: Klee
Day of death 29 June 1940
The nodes were wobbling again

You'll love this Sun 8 cancer Venus around 4 and Mars 27 cancer

Jupiter Saturn and Uranus all in Taurus

Uranus on his Pluto

Transiting Mars at the end of Cancer conjunct Pluto|Mars at 1+leo.

*Mars had just gone over his Sn and Venus and the Sun were very close.

That sounds very like someone who put magic in a box for the future to find.

16/10/07 7:23 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

BTW moon in Aries over his Saturn that day too.

16/10/07 7:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That is fascinating. the planets around the SN and the ruling Moon on the NN.

He died of heart paralysis. He had scleroderma. Do you know anything about that?

That sounds very like someone who put magic in a box for the future to find.

I wonder about this. What is the secret of the secret? And why did he choose us with the archaeologists?

16/10/07 7:32 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

hmmm nodes were wobbling the day my wobbly node brother died too.

I have no other data.

M?

16/10/07 7:35 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I wonder about this. What is the secret of the secret? And why did he choose us with the archaeologists?

well how would i know?
However i like the idea that we who share similar patterns resonate through time with each other. (many things follow this - for example homeopathy: similar pathos or suffering like cures like) the universe intends that patterns of similarity vibrate - we come in, we go out, we recognize the kindred, automatically pick up the scent so to speak. The astro chart is just one map of this consciousness.

16/10/07 7:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

i like the idea that we who share similar patterns resonate through time with each other

Yes. The result has yet to map itself although the cosmic connection once again revealed so clearly is the reward. I'm sure I will find myself thinking about him for awhile. Interesting his Venus in Scorp on the Merc retro. Messages from the dead.

16/10/07 7:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

We've been meditating on the GC for some time now with genuine belief so this could be it. Simple attentiveness. Mindfulness. It really is an incrdible sensation to see these patterns come alive. It reminds me of the guidance I've always felt humanity has and with all the Taurus involved and the moon coming up, I wonder if relaxation is possible. Comes and goes, but come is a good idea at this point.

My goals are really the same as they've always been and whatever I achieve of them is enough, really. The tone of my daily life is actually the most important thing.

16/10/07 7:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What I find interesting is our opposite Suns. You have the public world as your solar home, and I have the private one. How different are they?

16/10/07 8:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So is this tellin us that the dead are our protectors and care-givers, not our living leaders? That would explain why I always feel that people are lost children. They don't recognize our real leadership.

That makes sense to me.

16/10/07 8:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And that would explain why these leaders always make me nervous. I've never felt like following them so that's that. Let them be there. They won't bother me.

16/10/07 8:08 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Interesting his Venus in Scorp on the Merc retro. Messages from the dead

OMG of course
you just spun me around
- i do speak with the dead.

16/10/07 8:14 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So you dialed him up. I knew there was a logical explanation. Good connection, too.

16/10/07 8:16 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

"One eye sees, the other feels."

16/10/07 8:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Pluto rules the land of the dead so it makes sense that they would speak with us now from the GC. I think there is an umbilical connection with Hel and the black hole, and Mars is in Cancer. Life is a series of births, death being the biggest.

Interesting also his SN in Cancer as we head to Pluto in Capricorn, Jupiter first.

16/10/07 8:20 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

This is the lesson too the myths are telling me, for too long we have only been looking with one eye. (Odin gave up an eye you recall to learn the deepest "truths")

The change is already occurring.

The psychological intellectual, emotion one-eyed man

is about to have the other eye opened to the soul heart feeling

16/10/07 8:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The two I's.

I'd like to think all of mankind is scheduled to grow up a bit. You know, just a tiny spurt.

16/10/07 8:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Odin gave up an eye you recall to learn the deepest "truths")

OMG! The bumps are back! And I was trying to get unexcited.

16/10/07 8:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

My growing up comment was unaware of your eye one. I think we're on to it again. Faith is is a godsend. :-)

The psychological intellectual, emotion one-eyed man is about to have the other eye opened to the soul heart feeling

Heavens.

That's Ps message. The two eyes.

16/10/07 8:28 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Hel began to speak with me as Pluto went over MC. Several days of lucid dreaming solstice 2003. I knew next to nothing of Nordic myth before that.

16/10/07 8:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Remember that Mars in Cancer (feeling) is inconjunct the departing Pluto in Sagittarius(intellect). Guiding the crossing. That's my inconjunt. I'm beginning to get the picture. Artists do well.

16/10/07 8:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Hel began to speak with me as Pluto went over MC. Several days of lucid dreaming solstice 2003. I knew next to nothing of Nordic myth before that.

Really? This is beginning to weave together nicely. Your Cancer Uranus and Sag Sun. I was going to go into Klee's relationship with elves and the painting he did, elves associated with Scandanavian myth.

I can see a lot right now. All the info pouring into you and we, the people, resistant. So it seems that the resistance is melting a little, with the help of our beloved dead.

I see more and more the reasons for this meeting.

16/10/07 8:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Timing is everything.

16/10/07 8:36 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

You were trying to get unexcited???

hahaha


It's my head now! but i'm blaming it on the fierce winds. I was just outside to reset my network link. It sounds like the Ocean. big crashing waves. A couple of earthquakes in the mountains earlier. My nerves can really feel it -neck and head

16/10/07 8:36 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Klee painted scandinavian elves? This i did not know. Or do not remember.

jeez jm

Elves are the lightbeings.
well there are so called dark elves but really that were "dwarves" the deep earth guys. The Smiths who worked with fire from the earth.

Elves worked with the fire - radiance above ground astral fire the faerie. There are several Eldi portals. One at the Summer solstice. One 29 Taurus (t's b'day) 21 Sept. several more maybe i'll look at Klee's chart some for this alignment.

16/10/07 8:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yup. That's what I had. neck and head.

Alice and Wonderland was written with migraine headaches. I've always had a major one, some migrainy, some not, when a big musical piece is born. That's why I likened it to Athene.

Our nerves are weather vanes.

I want to go with this flux as my life finishes up, just as Paul said about the ethical stability of evil. It's correct as is.

16/10/07 8:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'll post the elves for you. He was in the pocket.

16/10/07 8:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Klee often used elf and gnome-like figures to put movement into space. These motifs are all creatures of darkness and night. Even in these late paintings he is calling up all that is primitive and secret. It is for the same reason that witches appear in some paintings.

Elves are spirits of the air, Nordic in origin. Coming from the earth and water, they symbolize subterranean and nocturnal forces

16/10/07 8:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I get the earth factor from all his Taurus and the close inconjunct of his Pluto in Taurus with the Sag sun speaks of the fire and the illumination of secret beings.

16/10/07 8:56 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Maybe because he was from Switerland i never associated those figures with the scandinavian version of elves.

I get what they mean now.

Still i bet that he was making those connections. How Elves and Faeries are used is quite curious to me. the far north has a very different interpretation to the European one.

16/10/07 8:57 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The Venus in Scorpio inconjunct the Saturn in Aries is more of this. Fire and earth is an interesting combination. NN in Capricorn inconjunct the Mars too.

16/10/07 8:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There was German folklore in there as well.

16/10/07 9:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This is where it gets interesting. All mythology changes with geography. People transform them to explain their environments. They grow organically from the places as the stories are dispersed. All about Sagittarius, mythology, and anthroplogy. This is why myths teach us so much about humans. I almost became an anthroplogist. It's so fascinating. The elaboratations and variations.

16/10/07 9:03 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

the Pluto inconjunct the GC Hel's road - the soul's road

29 Taurus is namnsdag elder. The eldertree. It is the portal through which the faeries (those who communicate with light, telepathy) travel. It is the point of union in the ullr myth where the masculine and feminine merge. Ullr being the time span around the winter solstice. It all ties together. This is the fire and earth of the myths.

16/10/07 9:07 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

ahhhhh lavender heating pad. And it all feels good, the tension ebbing away. Do you have one of these?

Do you have a microwave? I seem to think not. You heat these in a microwave. A bag of herbs and grain- heaven.

16/10/07 9:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It also teaches us about the mistake of rigidity. The Greek myths heave so many variations it ultimately loosens the imagination from the left brain strictness, probably the underlying reason for them.

The same with astrology, which is why I'm so good. The patterns are inconsequential. It's a gestalt and the repeats sing in a rhythm and tell the story. You'll see this when Pluto gets to Capricorn. Everyone was wrong.

16/10/07 9:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

My heating pad is one of the saving graces of my life.

16/10/07 9:20 PM  
Blogger jm said...

A key might be in the Pluto inconjunct since Taurus is the next Full Moon. The inconjunct being 8th house also holds arcane knowledge, I would bet. Sagittarius is knowledge, too, so it's quite a set-up. The message is never in the details, the figures, the graphs, etc. It will probably unfold as Pluto leaves Sagittarius this winter and we cozy up and try to figure things out in the Cancer cave.

Probably a very important time befor Capricorn calls.

16/10/07 9:25 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Hooboy this guy is a treasure beyond what i previously imagined.

I shall have to spend some time with him again. My Nodal return what a trip. Merc and Mars rx and i get a re-turn to my youth with new eyes. Memories overflowing.

We lived in Switerland that summer in the high alps. A very elderly herb woman was our neighbor. My poor french sufficed. My interest in herbs as medicine was born.

16/10/07 9:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

My Nodal return what a trip.

I've got a ticket to that one!

This is no small matter. His speaking to us holds more than meets the two eyes. The timing was too accurate with the Jupiter Uranus square. If there are some of us called to involve ourselves in these spiritual matters it would be wise to heed the call.

I'm not one to sweep these things under the rug. Only dirt gets that treatment. Quite the opposite. I think it should be pursued in earnest.

Klee's NN in Capricorn is conjunct kadimiros's stellium and he brought it to our attention. How it connects with the current world. How it can be used.

The conjunction to your node is almost too much.

16/10/07 9:34 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Yes to the cancer cave.
Mars rx might be just the needed impulse control to take that long look before the capricorn curtain rises.

16/10/07 9:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Remember the new 19 year cycle. Sometimes there are harrowing experiences before these moments to clear the path. I think the memories are reminding you of yourself and who you are. NN1.

16/10/07 9:36 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Mars rx might be just the needed impulse control to take that long look before the capricorn curtain rises.

Exactly. It can be comfortable too. I know how to fluff up a cave, that's for sure.

16/10/07 9:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's really miraculous. Paul's Cancer-Cap nodes guiding us now. No living leaders to follow. I still get the feeling that his basic message to us is that we're safe.

16/10/07 9:39 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

All in all a rather stunning synastry between several of us.

And i agree -except the part about the dirt under the carpet.....my Virgo moon would know.

16/10/07 9:39 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

I absolutely believe this the south is our magic bag. What we know. It's all about whether we dip in the bag to help us achieve.

Tseka this is so great. I feel this, the possibility of the south node as energy reservoir once our relationship to it is fully conscious.

I had a major major insight and breakthrough yesterday. I realized the beauty of the SN. It says that we are free. We don't have to do it anymore if we don't want to. Maybe the most liberating point ultimately. Everything else in the chart has to be done.

This is it! Now I get it.

16/10/07 9:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I've had big fears about staying round this cozy cyberfire when my career lies in wait overtly, but after his visit, I think I'll relax into it.

16/10/07 9:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Mpk! Boy do you figure in with a NN in Capricorn.

You have planets on the South so you'll be there. The freedom to not-grip it too hard is the good thing. The South is always there. It works automatically. My main point. It needs no work.

16/10/07 9:44 PM  
Blogger jm said...

the possibility of the south node as energy reservoir once our relationship to it is fully conscious.

Exactly. The most unconscious habitual point in the chart.

16/10/07 9:45 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Jupiter 6 Pisces inconjunct Uranus 9 Virgo"

Um, isn't that Saturn inconjunct Uranus? And Jupiter oppose Uranus?

Saturn inconjunct Uranus seems to be the closest aspect.

The 10th degree (counting 0 Aries as the 1st degree): "A savant is revealed, a man who has created new forms for old symbols that have lost their meaning." Short version: "A teacher gives new symbolic forms to traditional meanings."

The 160th degree: "As if in a moment of vision a man is seen possessed of two heads; both of these look out and beyond the shadows." Short version: "Two heads looking out and beyond the shadows."

Kind of spooky to have Saturn and Uranus occupying the degrees that correlate to those Sabian degree interpretations. Seems fitting, though.

"I think this might mimic the Sun-Moon dynamic where domination by the Sun is the usual now in evolution. So perhaps the wobblys are aware of this magic and equality of the conscious and subconscious. The light of the dark."

Worldly identity is associated with the solar plexus center, connected with the Sun. Perhaps that is connected with the significance of the Sun sign.

Supposedly, as individuals evolve in consciousness, their identity becomes more directed from higher levels. The crown chakra relates to the Moon's Nodes according to the yogic theory I learned. There are other centers and subcenters in the head, but the head in general relates to the Moon.

That seems to suggest that the Nodes should become more significant than the Sun sign in time, at least when viewing reality through that system.

"My head felt like Zeus giving birth to Athene the last two days"

There was a reference to that in that play Klee read before he died. Apollo was trying to convince Athene to vote as a juror in favor of the defendant. The play as a whole is linked to the transition from archaic forms of vengeance to an orderly system of justice with the sanction of the gods. Even the Furies were persuaded to give way to the verdict. Lots of killing and horror on the way to that development, though.

16/10/07 9:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And mpk. You are somewhat unique. The long Mars retrograde will be on that point so it's a great opportunity to become conscious. Hopefully, you can report the goings-on to add to my body of research.

16/10/07 9:47 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Sometimes there are harrowing experiences before these moments to clear the path.

i know. i was just remembering the last one. Both were.
Tho...Uranus, Neptune and Saturn had all just gone over my Sun during the last one, might as well get it all done at once, right?

I might ask A what his impression of Klee is since his NN is on Klee's South, not to mention his Neptune on Klee's Sun and his Jupiter on Klee's Venus....and...

16/10/07 9:49 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

Elves are spirits of the air, Nordic in origin. Coming from the earth and water, they symbolize subterranean and nocturnal forces

I used to insist to people that I was an elf when I was a child. I was only half joking. I was utterly caught up with a fascination with silver and all the way silver manifests. Especially silver light. I wanted to be or identify with beings that dream in silver light.

16/10/07 9:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Um, isn't that Saturn inconjunct Uranus? And Jupiter oppose Uranus?

Why yes.

Saturn inconjunct Uranus seems to be the closest aspect.

And someone mentioned a Uranus opposition to Saturn coming up.

A teacher gives new symbolic forms to traditional meanings."

Now that does fit.

The 160th degree: "As if in a moment of vision a man is seen possessed of two heads

OMG. Or two eyes.

16/10/07 9:54 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

I'm reading a book about the Greek gods now. I can hardly believe how everything is linking. I have so much linkage I can't even respond. I take comfort in jm's statement it's not in the details. What's coming from this?

16/10/07 9:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG. I can already see the results coming of Paul's visit. This is spectacular.

16/10/07 9:55 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Spooky indeed.

That seems to suggest that the Nodes should become more significant than the Sun sign in time, at least when viewing reality through that system.

very interesting. Could we interpret this as the two eyes?

16/10/07 9:57 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That seems to suggest that the Nodes should become more significant than the Sun sign in time, at least when viewing reality through that system.

What a thought and the basis of my theory. That the nodes are the crossroads between the Sun and the Moon. The integration.

There was a reference to that in that play Klee read before he died. Apollo was trying to convince Athene to vote as a juror in favor of the defendant. The play as a whole is linked to the transition from archaic forms of vengeance to an orderly system of justice with the sanction of the gods. Even the Furies were persuaded to give way to the verdict. Lots of killing and horror on the way to that development, though.

My G in heaven. Thank you so much for this info, kad.

16/10/07 9:59 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"is about to have the other eye opened to the soul heart feeling"

Also, I think of solar eye, lunar eye, and the brain hemispheres.

16/10/07 10:01 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I was utterly caught up with a fascination with silver and all the way silver manifests. Especially silver light

I am too.

Could we interpret this as the two eyes?

I will if you will.

I can hardly believe how everything is linking. I have so much linkage I can't even respond.

Me too.

What's coming from this?

We certainly shall see. With the two i's.

16/10/07 10:02 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Also, I think of solar eye, lunar eye, and the brain hemispheres.

yes
many forms of integration
two wholes becoming complete

16/10/07 10:03 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The play as a whole is linked to the transition from archaic forms of vengeance to an orderly system of justice with the sanction of the gods.

That's what we're doing. Merc in Scorpio. Terror and revenge. Pluto in the GC. I've always believed in justice and always will.

16/10/07 10:05 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Also, I think of solar eye, lunar eye, and the brain hemispheres.

Could explain our headaches.

16/10/07 10:06 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

yawn...see you all on the otherside.
it's been great!

Silver light, very much so.

16/10/07 10:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

many forms of integration
two wholes becoming complete


Remember that Mars will go back to Gemini for awhile to facilitate this integration opposite Pluto. Exactly when Pluto crosses is when Mars leaves 29 Gemini.

I'm going to replenish my aspirin supply. Or maybe try lavender. Or maybe even turn on the microwave!!! Who knows that something might not be transmitted there!

16/10/07 10:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

'night, St.B.

16/10/07 10:11 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"very interesting. Could we interpret this as the two eyes?"

I don't see why not. The energy implication is that they somehow function symbiotically, can't have one without the other. :-)

16/10/07 10:37 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Thank you so much for this info, kad."

No problem. :-) It was in the Wikipedia article about the play. It relates to the evolution of society from being driven by violent passions and by fate to a more considered weighing of justice balanced by mercy.

16/10/07 10:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That is fascinating. That the play was his choice. It's so relevant to our time. Well, it always is, but I get a feeling that humanity is feeling this now quite a bit. Some war-weary terror exhaustion, and a tiny bit of disappointment with violence. If only they could tone down the shade of blood a drop and make it less exciting. Maybe add a little purple.

It relates to the last transit of Uranus in Aries and the rise of the Nazis which Klee was part of. It's always been important for artists, writers, etc. to contribute and influence evolution.

16/10/07 10:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I have a technical question when you're free. The photos you post that are clean and not apparently from a photo website. How is this done?

16/10/07 10:54 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Now that does fit."

Quote. Genius is the error in the system. End quote.

Does that suggest Saturn inconjunct Uranus?

Hmm. It'd be interesting to compare famous quotations to natal charts.

16/10/07 11:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Mercy comes under Pisces. It does seem like the impeachment talk and the war tribunal revenge stuff has calmed down. I feel sorry for criminals, since they seem to be driven by impulses impossible to control. Like the wealthy who can never have enough. Not that I would go for mercy, but I would let the balancing mechanism of life be involved.

I just saw a movie where a child was kidnapped and sold into prostitution in India. At the end, as an adult, she encounters a leper curled up lying in the road. They stop and he begs for money. She takes off her bracelets and hand them to him. It was the man who sold her.

16/10/07 11:01 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Hm, which photos?

16/10/07 11:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It'd be interesting to compare famous quotations to natal charts.

Yes!!!

Quote. Genius is the error in the system. End quote.

Does that suggest Saturn inconjunct Uranus?


Does it ever.

16/10/07 11:02 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"She takes off her bracelets and hand them to him. It was the man who sold her."

Then she's truly free of him. :-)

16/10/07 11:03 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Let's do the quotes. Great idea.

The two eyes is the Pisces probably, the ultimate duality, which is why he sees evil as he does. Now that Saturn is there, it's a perfect time to grasp this. Of course, the collective won't consciously, but the thing is happening unconsciously anyway. And there's your duality and the 2 eyes.

The quote about the trees is connected to Taurus no doubt, but what's most interesting is the one we chose to run with. That's revealing.

His reading of the play is some message that society might be ready to get a hint of the truth. We'll see as things change. Just the fact that we're having these public conversations reaching many people previously unaware of Paul Klee and such ideas could be a hint. We're just regular people chatting so this is an entree.

16/10/07 11:11 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Yes!!!"

If it works, when it works, it'd be a great way to convey some of the message of various aspects. Might make for a nice teaching tool. Not sure if it's really feasible; just brainstorming.

16/10/07 11:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

All your photos that aren't links. When they come up in the corner on the white page. The ones from your stash, I assume.

She takes off her bracelets and hands them to him. It was the man who sold her."

Then she's truly free of him.


Exactly.

16/10/07 11:13 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Might make for a nice teaching tool. Not sure if it's really feasible; just brainstorming.

That's the first thing I thought. The teaching tool. Nothing to it. Just quote away, like you did yesterday. Nothing formal. We all love quotes.

16/10/07 11:18 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"His reading of the play is some message that society might be ready to get a hint of the truth."

And I'm struck that it's one of those stories wherein the man tries to avoid his foretold fate, thereby setting in motion tragic events. The tragic events finally culminate in the intervention of the divine and the introduction of a higher order...and a relatively happy ending. Seems to fit with his ideas about factors converging.

16/10/07 11:20 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think we can almost apply it to the current situation. The destruction of the environment and how people are trying to circumvent their fate and continue to consume and waste as always.

The word was spoken as if by divine intervention and now what? The screaming denial first, of course. But as a whole, humanity does recognize that fact that they can't avoid fate.

It matters not what's causing the warming, it just seems to be from above as if divine and it's also offering a chance for redemption.

I find this a very interesting development since it's real and global.

16/10/07 11:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There are two exact connections here. The Pluto in sagittarius and his Sun, and the NN in Pisces and his Jupiter.

This speaks of fate and the divine. In Sag there is a more anthropomorphic divine leader who uses morality as the guideline. Right or wrong. In Pisces there is no right or wrong; we simply meet the results of our actions. This has been the question of the Sagittarius-Pisces square and why I think leadership has failed so obviously, all around this moral type of divine system.

So if divine intervention is required, from whence?

This is a very intersting philosophical point with real examples for the people to follow.

16/10/07 11:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It really is interesting. If they don't act they will set into motion tragic events. There is no traditional divine source of salvation now. So the question is, has the divine intervention already occurred, or will it, if it hasn't?

The divine intervention, of course, is our own consciences. That might not do it. Survival could.

Then the bigger result. Will survival now depend on conscience?

16/10/07 11:47 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

The divine intervention, of course, is our own consciences. That might not do it. Survival could.

Then the bigger result. Will survival now depend on conscience?


Or if we opt for survival what will it do to our conscience?

17/10/07 7:39 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

As i was drifting off to sleep i was asked to look at Dane Rudyar in connection to our conversation.

He has the same multi wobbly Node as Klee- in Pisces. Many inconjuncts but through the Gemini Sco side. Maybe meaning the focus if duality is from the 8th house of death used creatively. Another multi talented man painter musician and astrologer /philosopher.

17/10/07 7:43 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"The photos you post that are clean and not apparently from a photo website. How is this done?"

I can put images and Web pages on a Web server computer. Once stored on an on-line Web server, they automatically have URLs or "Web addresses" that I can use for links.

Some Web applications such as Blogger and Google's photo album tend to force things to a common denominator. They may slightly reduce the crispness and fidelity of images (thereby minimizing storage requirements since there is then less actual visual information in the image), and they may rescale images to fit a predefined page layout. The problem with all the extra processing is that it tends to add blurriness, artifacts and distortions.

Because I prepare my own images and Web pages, uploading them directly to a Web server, they are not processed beyond what I desire.

The Internet service provider that I use to access the Web happens to provide basic Web site hosting as part of the package.

If I want more advanced hosting services, I could choose from among many hosting service providers. Alternatively, with know-how, it is possible to set up one's own Web server computer -- at home, for example. That can get rather arcane to configure and set up. It's only practical to do if one's Internet connection is constantly available and if one expects but a modest amount of Web traffic.

17/10/07 8:38 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

I believe that civilization and the arts go back much farther in time than archaeologists have yet to realize. I anticipate that there is much more to be rediscovered in places such as Syria.

17/10/07 8:48 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Or if we opt for survival what will it do to our conscience?

So far survival has ignored conscience largely. That's what I find so interesting here. People have battled one another for survival and ignored the dictates of ethics, but if the whole population has a common enemy, then what? If they pull together then would the cohesiveness naturally arouse conscience?

We have the conscience so there must be use for it beyond the personal and selective. I think this is what the ideological battle in this country is about. What is conscience? Social programs? Helping third world countries? Protecting the earth? The last one is the one that connects obviously to survival so maybe that would encourage social evolution. Maybe that's the reason for the global changes.

This extreme gov't now in the USA is based on the selfish approach and could be part of the clue about where we're headed. The extreme privatization that has failed while the "voice of god" says your home is in trouble What are you going to do? Stop fooling around, kids.

Katrina was part of this. It was unreal how no one did anything while the flood came in. It was really on the mythological level. NOLA has a NN in Capricorn and I thought the experience would have future ramifications? What punishment will our consciences devise if we continue to act that way? Or will survival and conscience continue to be separate?

This is what I think Uranus through Aries and Taurus might point out as a new cycle of survival starts and Pluto transits the final quadrant affecting evolution.

Thanks for the info, kad.

17/10/07 1:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This is why the statement about evil got my attention. We've merrily gone on murdering and plundering almost giddy with no outside threat. Just spinning on our axis in orbit and trusting it will continue as is.

So this is a new curve. It's happened many times before, but it's slightly different now which leads me to think we might be at an unusual point in evolution. Before civilizations were helpless. They prayed and made blood sacrifices, whatever they preferred, but they perished. So far the environment has dictated social settlement and survival.

But now we have the technology to affect it so it seems. This means conscious choice and cooperation possibly. Survival instinct is strong. I'm watching the big conjunction in Capricorn in as a clue in the unfolding story.

Do humans ultimately do the right thing? Why do we have a conscience? The point of evil. To bring it out.

It appears to me that the human race has ever so slowly pulled out of ignorance and primitive reactionary behavior, but it's impossible to tell being immersed in it.

Connected to this is Paul Klee and the tradition of artists being active in society as visionaries. The cohesiveness and influence have been lost these last years when artists no longer congregated and brainstormed. Perhaps the Internet is the new place for this to happen.

Visionaries are essential to survival.

17/10/07 1:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I have a special feeling about Dane Rudyar because of his promotion of the Sagittarius ASC for this country. His legacy.

17/10/07 1:32 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There are so many factors. So far, people are pretending everything's OK and someone else will take care of the problems. So they go on with their lives and let criminals run the world. But the change is no small matter. It's not a gloom & doom crisis thing, it's a condition that will create millions of problems to be solved. It will have to be done. The magnitude isn't apparent yet, unless the warming reverses suddenly. But that, too, creates problems and leaves awareness of the living organism we're dependent on. We have to start a real relationship with the earth.

The ancients are known for respecting the earth, but did they really? It's impossible to say. They saw it as alive but they were terrified. Not an equitable relationship and the blood sacrifice has been disgusting throughout all of history.

People have too many possessions and their lives are too complicated. There is no time to interact with the larger dimensions and this has to change. Another reason for the earth's calling now. They're still running madly around in their personal spheres adding to the global problems. Somewhere along the line they'll have to awaken and this is where survival and conscience mingle. When saving and conserving replaces murdering and stealing as the MO. We'll probably need some leadership.

17/10/07 1:49 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

There's a paradox in my own life I experienced recently. I've cut way back on what I consume, the things I own, money spent etc. I love becoming lighter and more efficient as an ongoing process. I'm not that worried about losing what I have because for me, wealth is being at zero. As a result I don't feel threatened by much anymore. Not threatened by the government, not by terrorists, and most recently not threatened by what's happening to the environment. I feel that I'm doing what I can do thru my actions. If the world is destroyed or it is saved there isn't much I can do about it either way. Even if the Earth warms it will still be livable during my lifetime. Maybe it's selfish, but I'm not going to bother worrying about future generations either. They'll have to figure it out as we have to.

17/10/07 6:02 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Thanks for the info, kad."

You're welcome. The way that I do it probably won't help you with Blogger, if that is the root of your question. But you can pre-process your images before letting Blogger get to them.

I think that Blogger is less likely to process images further if they do not exceed the allotted visual space in the page layout and if you have saved them as JPEG format files.

This sample has images that I saved to JPEG format. They are slightly less sharp than the original GIF format images, but I was able to keep artifacts to a minimum. (Most good graphics programs allow the quality of the JPEG image to be tweaked during saving. The caveat is that higher quality images tend to take longer to be received by viewers.)

GIF or PNG format files common on the Web are best for crisp line art but have limited color possibilities. JPEG is more suited for photographic images which contain more color variations and few hard edges. Blogger currently converts the former to the latter, but the quality of the conversion is suboptimal.

17/10/07 6:07 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"So if divine intervention is required, from whence?"

It does sound like one of those emergent things. :-) Often, the things we castigate are part of the journey.

Sometimes lost people grow to be greater than if they'd never strayed. Perhaps it's part of the error in the system.

17/10/07 8:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm not that worried about losing what I have because for me, wealth is being at zero.

Great statement.

Thanks for the added info. kad.

Often, the things we castigate are part of the journey.

Absolutely. An important part. I was thinking more about the Athene connection and was quite aroused. I'm very glad you looked up the play since I found more messages within. There's a lot to this fate question and the justice factor. I'll have to think about the astrological connection to Athene. Libra seems involved, of course, but there's more. She was solo which is not Libran.

Sometimes I identify most with the Furies so that was interesting. It was severe from what I gather since the Furies capitulated. That's saying something right there.

I love this connection and I'm going to pursue it. It's all theatrical and yet the staged drama sometimes seems to reflect the truth of the real one which we are immersed in and don't understand. The staged one allows for objectivity.
I think right now there is some confusion as to which one is the staged one.:-)
Madness.

Sometimes lost people grow to be greater than if they'd never strayed. Perhaps it's part of the error in the system.

Yes, yes. I love this error idea and have some hopes with the Saturn-Uranus coming up after all the lost Pisces.

I had a direct experience with the 2 eyes last night. Will report.

17/10/07 9:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

My question was about posting the picturs in comments. Your pages are blank except for the image.

18/10/07 5:28 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"It's all theatrical and yet the staged drama sometimes seems to reflect the truth of the real one which we are immersed in and don't understand. The staged one allows for objectivity.
I think right now there is some confusion as to which one is the staged one. :-)"


Ha ha! Sometimes I think that the stage is on stage. Could be fractal. ;-)

18/10/07 7:15 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Your pages are blank except for the image."

Yes, I don't maintain a blog. I only created it awhile back to see the administrative interface.

18/10/07 7:31 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"That's saying something right there."

It's very interesting. The evolution of the outer forms of government probably parallels reconfiguration within individual consciousness.

No one entity delivers the protagonist to his ultimate fate, and the power of the gods is finally on the same level in the jurors box as human peers.

18/10/07 8:01 AM  
Blogger jm said...

It's very interesting. The evolution of the outer forms of government probably parallels reconfiguration within individual consciousness.

This is what I've been saying repeatedly but is never recognized. It frustrates me and I know it shouldn't. It will evolve naturally. But then how do I fit in? It's embarrassing to be here, sometimes. I entered the wrong planet! I'm in a collective consciousness that seems childish to me and invites punishment. Insists on it.

I still don't know why this disconnect persists with such force. Why outside circumstance is perceieved as an attacking entity. Maybe to build inner strength and consciousness. The whole concept of the outer world being entirely separate is the norm for some reason I don't know but feel I should.

So how does one thrive in these conditions? Where is my place. How do I stay involved when the deafness and blindness seem so impermeable? Can I effect progress even if I don't see any? Maybe the resistance isn't as impermeable as I think. And maybe I'm more like that than I think. Uh-oh.

the power of the gods is finally on the same level in the jurors box as human peers.

The lesson of Pluto through Sagittarius in a nutshell. And why I surmised that maybe the earth change would alert the masses to their participation in their fate. If the earth is changing noticeably isn't that a clue that the collective should be too?? Possibly?

18/10/07 2:22 PM  

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