Reversal
The opposition is exact for the last time precisely when Uranus leaves Pisces for Aries and stations at 0 degrees. Jupiter will be at 28, 29, and on to Aries as well while Uranus is at 0 Aries. Then Saturn goes to 29 Virgo and on to 0 Libra. Uranus will spend the next 7 years in square to Pluto in Capricorn. Quite a bit of Saturn-Uranus ahead.
Numerous predictions have been made about the upcoming controlling government and I think the opposite might happen. The government could get increasingly decentralized. Possibily. There is a sizable amount of Uranian energy in the mix. The diminishing of freedom would have a hard time taking hold within this context, so it seems to me.
The demolition of the Saturnine structure already happened, at least to some extent. It came when the Sun was at 18 degrees Virgo and the Twin Towers fell, with Pluto opposite Saturn. The American society did it to itself with the use of the government, the demolition expert, being the only way the archaic structure could be removed. I assume it was about the destructive trade practices (World Trade Center) of the many years preceding. Criminal financial dealings coming to a head.
Because the first exact opposition of Saturn in Virgo to Uranus will be at 18 degrees I started to piece it together and came up with these interesting connections in relation to dictatorial regimes.
January 30, 1933: Adolph Hitler became Chancellor of Germany with Mars just turned retrograde at 19 degrees Virgo. December 7, 1941: Japan attacked the USA with the NN at 18 degrees Virgo. Dec. 8, war was declared on Japan and Dec. 11, Germany and Italy declared war on the US, all at 18. May 8, 1945: Germany surrendered with Jupiter just stationing at 17 degrees Virgo.
It could be coincidence, but then again, maybe not. If there is a connection it does seem to include authoritarianism as a theme. The fact that so much anti-establishment Uranus is involved at this popular degree makes me think that the unexpected is ahead. Uranus in Aries is the start of a new cycle of survival skills with invention and originality as the key. The government appears to be primarily in disarray. The Jupiter Uranus square feels like a kick-off to me.
The last time Uranus was in Aries, the Great Depression came, along with the rise of the Third Reich in Germany. Pluto was in Cancer, so the inventive New Deal was created to care for the country's impoverished, homeless people. The Motherland nationalism of Germany rose to heights the world hadn't seen before. But this time Pluto will be in Capricorn, a new deal entirely. On our own in the big wide world. Survival with a different theme.
The Republicans have been criticized for destroying the New Deal but that would have happened anyway. And they destroyed the party in the process. The health care veto could actually be a portent of things to come when the people of America will be called upon to mature and take care of themselves. It stands to reason that the national government won't be doing this as much in the Aries-Capricorn years. But the great side effect would be a new autonomy, self respect, pride in people's ability to make it on their own, and diminished governmental control as Pluto goes into Aquarius for an altered distribution of wealth. Our own parents, our own bosses, making decisions that effect our lives in communities, cities, and states nationwide. I would like to see a decent Secretary of State, though.
posted by jm at 3:02 AM
27 Comments:
wow
i need time to let this sink in.
hmm. i'm scared of the ways thins are developing here. I come from a country that has cradle to grave medical coverage, and coming to a country where you can only afford to be healthy if you are rich was a slap in the face of what I think is a basic humanity. I recently fainted and someone called 911. Although I wasn't feeling well I had to decline going to the ER because I couldn't afford it. That's when I fully felt alone here. Sometimes our health is beyond our control. Although I have
anarchistic proclivities, universal health care and social protection shouldn't be one of them. hell no.
Hi Jm et all! I love dropping in here, especially to find such a fantastic image...it reminds me of the Taj Mahal in some way...do you see it too?
'The diminishing of freedom would have a hard time taking hold within this context'
Thanks for pointing this out. I often feel conflicted about my innate optimism (Sag ASC) and innate pessimism (Cap Moon) and I really, really appreciate you pointing this out.
Collectively, it's imperative that we remember we are NOT powerless.
I'm getting ready for Pluto in Capricorn by conceptualizing my garden plot. For the first time in my life. I don't want to be 'dependant.' I want to pick my own garlic (Taurus talking)!
I wouldn't worry too much. Just think about your own lives and the things that need to be done.
It's likely that health care will be handled on the state and local level, as it is in my state. Being workd on now. That's the main argument. Federal vs state and it seems like state's will have to take care of a lot of it but that includes more autonomy.
I'm not sure about socialized medicine here. All places are different and the freedom from taxation is in this country's protoplasm. There might not be much we can do.
Oddly enough, the small government of the Republicans might even be a reality in a backass way.
The federal government has a lot of work ahead as money and trade agreements are reworked in the next years, so the more people take into their own hands, the better. I think this will be the lesson of Capricorn.
The biggest fallacy is the belief that people will be in great danger if the government doesn't take care of them, but all it means is that the care will be rerouted.
A lot hinges on the end of the tax law in 2010 which seems to be going to its grave along with the wealthy tax break.
We'll see.
End of the tax law in 2010? Can you elaborate?
The tax break the wealthy have now -- not paying taxes on stock dividends, etc. -- expires in 2010. Financial analysts are attributing the stock market game now to this fact and they expect the Dow to drop in 2010, believeing that the tax break won't be renewed. It looks like the Democrats will be picking up more seats in congress, too.
The major dichotomy between the traditionally small government of the Republicans and the social spending of the Dems will be what I think the issue of Cap largely revolves around. But taxation will be coming up and what to do about it. We will have to be more frugal, so it appears.
I also think the problems now are largely based on the bad trade deals culminating in the Clinton and Bush years, so the federal government has its work cut out for it.
When you get past the emotionalism, the geopolitical gets interesting. It's not at all what it appears.
It's all about business here and this is what's coming up with the Pluto return in the 2nd house of finances opposite the cancer 7th and 8th houses of partnerships and investments. The last Cancer planet to be transited is the Mercury, ruling trade and commerce. Hopefully the country will have something worked out by then, but we have to work with ourselves, not against, and certainly not in fear. That's no way to run a business.
I don't really see that the democratic principles are in question, just ethics and such. The typical business problems. The question coming up is whether or not the extremely corrupt practices are turning out out to be bad for business.
The corporations hold the purse so it seems, but do they really? The people are the purse in the end. The consumers. It would be wise to see the connection and not pit one against the other, so the country's problems can be addressed logically.
Thank you. I too think we will have to be frugal as a society. It sure wouldn't hurt to save more money, buy less "stuff" etc.
If you know where to look, there are rumblings about the unratified 16th amendment, and the validity of the income tax code as it is commonly understood. Also, the IRS is increasingly being challenged to show where it is written that Americans must pay income tax.
I think the crippling fear of the IRS is waning, as people realize that the dread taxman is just a man pulling levers behind a curtain. Could Pluto be preparing the way for the defanging of the taxman? I wonder!
Incidentally, take a look at the latest
Astronomy Picture of the Day.
What does it remind you of? I think it resembles a human brain, with synapses and neurons firing all over the place. Imagine... maybe this planet is simply one neuron among many, all firing within the Universal Mind as is seeks to know itself.
Could Pluto be preparing the way for the defanging of the taxman? I wonder!
Joe you hit it. This is what I think it's going to be about. This country was started on "taxation without representation". We don't like taxes and especially when we don't have a say. We are not going to be like the other partly socialized countries. Not in our blood. So I think taxation and how we spend the money is it.
We would choose to go with less rather than be taxed. Health care will probably stay in the hands of employers. Tax breaks.
So this is what I find absolutely fascinating. the Republicans ruined their party with big government and now the Democrats are being thought of as frugal and good for business.
lots of debate ahead as Saturn returns to the USA Saturn in Libra.
maybe this planet is simply one neuron among many, all firing within the Universal Mind as is seeks to know itself.
Yes!!!!!!!!
Hallalujah Brother!!
There is no reason not to go into the future with enthusiasm. This is the great lesson of Pluto in Sagittarius, brought home now with the Juipter-Uranus square.
I feel it so much, but then I have the opposition natally. There is a tremendous amount of Uranian input for the next years culminating with Pluto in Aquarius. This is why I mention the Uranus in Taurus trine the Capricorn frequently. Lots of real things to do just up ahead. We've been waiting around helpless, but not for much longer.
So basically with Saturn and Uranus continuing, it looks like a working together of the people with the government. We ARE the government, so the more we put energy into its improvement, the more it spills over into our personal lives. That's the Cancer-Capricorn, as the people learn to take responsibility. The Pluto in Capricorn young people I keep talking about know this.
The federal government has international problems to solve, while the states and towns can take care of their practical needs at home. That would be fair.
This is the people's responsibility. The government cannot be separated, hated, and feared in order for progress to unfold. We have to believe in ourselves, and that includes our governments.
As much as I'd like to tune it all out, it permeates and each administration effects all areas of life in the country. A predominate mood.
Either people can dread life or participate fully. There will always be those who are dead weight and have to be dragged along, bouyed up, but hopefully most will contribute strength and energy.
If Uranus in Aries isn't strength, potential, and energy, I don't know what is. All the Uranus is ours to be used as our personal representative in this Big Council.
The Pluto in Capricorn young people I keep talking about know this.
I mean the Uranus-Neptune in Capricorn young ones.
Yeah. I've always wondered why tax distribution here is not working as it should, or does in other countries. Maybe it's the size of the country. The EU is doing the reverse of what the US wants, and is having a damn hard time crating a centralized rulership-too much bureaucracy, too much local patriotism-much like the problems in the US.
and about the taxes, I watched this move Zeitgeist a month ago that also mentiones that the tax law is nonexistent So if you don't pay, you can't be sued. If only Al Capone lived now, I wonder what would be happening...;-)
Dang i hate to be the spoilsport.
We need to remember that the federal code of regulations has the force of law. And unfortunately the preponderance of the codes are not legislated but done through devices like executive memorandum. Even if they were not enacted by congress they still are enforceable codes.
This is what we need to get straight and the reason that Howard Dean and Ron Paul have had so many back them- a return to the constitution and rule of law, where congress and senate actually do the People's business and we challenge these backroom codes of regulation.
The federal role as defined in the constitution is very small, everything else is referred to the states. And this makes great sense as we can more easily fine tune and adjust to the regional needs of our citizens.
I'm for a "reversal"
JM i was noticing my son and his peers will be experiencing the Saturn Urnaus square.
Do you wonder what they might do under this transit?
Some are working with a focus on corruption. Here is Lessig's http://wiki.lessig.org/index.php/Corruption
http://wiki.lessig.org/index.php/Main_Page
I am sorry i cannot give you an anchored link (a blue hot click) google refused these links. Copy paste...
The EU is doing the reverse of what the US wants, and is having a damn hard time creating a centralized rulership-too much bureaucracy
This verifies some of my theories. I love your input Elena. Thanks for all of this. You seem interested in the global situation and have some objectivity.
Someone I ran across today made a good remark. She said that one advantage to regional health care is that the needs are different from place to place. Good thinking.
JM i was noticing my son and his peers will be experiencing the Saturn Uranus square.
So will I! Good point. I'd have to glimpse the chart to see if the theme came through in terms of what to expect, which will be different for all of them. What are the placements and degrees of your son's planets?
a return to the constitution and rule of law, where congress and senate actually do the People's business and we challenge these backroom codes of regulation.
This could be part of it. I will do more on the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction when Uranus enter Aries, connected to this time now. Apparently there's a big commotion on the health care veto and the WH is already capitulating. Next week could be interesting as the rebellious square finishes.
This health care veto was symbolic and what I believe is the kick-off to a form of rebellion with the Jupiter Uranus, coming to a head when the conjunction comes in Aries, along with the Saturn-Uranus exact opposition. The moon was in Virgo when the veto was signed opposite the Uranus, square the Jupiter.
The interesting situation now is the newly elected Congress that the people rather forcefully put in place. In spite of the election, Congress' approval is in the low 20s. This is a tip-off.
And not to forget the NN in Aquarius Dec. 19.
man every day I am further amazed at astrology. The health veto and the problem the authorities are having with it. Saturn in Virgo indeed...
jm you are just such an awesome teacher!
All Saturn-Uranus transits have to do with freedom from the authority figure in the psyche as it was. Separation and the internalizing of the individual as his own boss. It goes on forever since there are so many levels. Places within places.
Some people need more discipline so Saturn can help control the erratic nature of Uranus. Others are too controlled and Uranus frees them up. All these transits are trying to coordinate disparate parts of the whole being and it's impossible to predict how that will be enacted, although signs and houses give indications. Saturn is the traditional paternal figure, Uranus the departure from the norm, so people can go off on new tangents, sometimes internally, though, and not obvious.
There is a traditional way of reading squares that pinpoints events concerning home/family and career, since the natural wheel has a square to the 4th and the 10th, but I don't use it. I mean to track it one day and see if it works.
I've mentioned that my father died when Uranus opposed my Saturn to the exact degree. Others will find freedom in different ways.
This is why I've gotten so interested in the upcoming transit for the country, which has a Moon in Aquarius and the NN will be there, so Uranus is especially important. The Moon governs the 4 Cancer planets so it's ingrained to have social services here. However, the SN is also in Aquarius, and the coming Capricorn might mean a lessening of this from the central gov't. The fundamental trait remains and people will take care of their own one way or another.
Elena!! Thank you. This is the biggest curve yet in my life. I love astrology more than anything I can think of except perhaps the cumin seed, but I didn't know what to do with the knowledge. This has been amazing and very enjoyable to share it with you in this unique way.
This Virgo thing is going to get more and more interesting as Saturn progresses. You might be amazed at how often you hear the word "health" from the authorities. Could be a big election issue.
I also wanted to mention your NN in Cancer and how you stated recently how much you felt at home here in this heavily endowed Cancer country. Kind of makes sense.
Re: frugal living --
Google "Argentine barter economy" and find some fascinating reading.
Our Southern neighbors are pioneers. We DO know how to take care of ourselves!
yeshe, thank you! I completely agree with you.
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