Tuesday, September 30, 2008

Downfalls and Uprisings

The Party's Party
All were wondering what on earth would happen when Saturn opposed Uranus and now it's known. The planet frequently brings exactly timed events and today fits into the scheme perfectly. Uranus is just leaving John McCain's Saturn in Pisces and with it comes the end of his campaign and the power of the Republican Party after years of domination and corruption. Along with that is economic reality and a jolt to the nation's illusions. Pluto is leaving the ashes from which the phoenix can rise again like it always does, out of the extravagant speculation and irresponsibility that led to this downturn.
Revolt is everywhere. Shock. The country is stunned in a moment of recognition before the next move forward. All people are trapped in some way. Everyone seeks liberation sometimes. The commoners want to overthrow the rulers, and the rich are trapped in their desire, caught in a criminal web of deceit and murder. The fuse is always ready to be ignited. I see McCain as the symbol of everyone's freedom as the POW walks away from jail, and hopefully all people have a moment of confrontation with the prison of greed.
The Gamble
It a spot of interesting synchronicity, the Dow fell 777 points yesterday. Lucky 7s. The jackpot. What adds interest is the Jupiter-Saturn trine keeping watch over the bedlam and preventing it from going completely off the rails. It will right itself eventually.
In considering the Saturn-Uranus opposition, Wall Street and the banks represent Saturn but even the establishment has revolted against itself. The North Node in Aquarius leads me to believe that the end result is going to favor the entire collective.
~Obama and the movement behind him are heading with increased velocity toward November victory, but the 7 7 7 "jackpot" that the movement takes home - filled with counterfeit slugs amidst the shards of gold that will still have to be panned and forged into value - means that the campaign doesn't end - can't end - on November 4.~Al Giordano
As Pluto comes into opposition with the country's Venus, the chance to transform her value system comes too. Give and take. A good deal.

48 Comments:

Blogger yeshe_choden said...

I'm starting to feel the mass-consciousness "exhale" -- similar to the feeling after all the Y2K hysteria was exposed as nothing but hype.

30/9/08 2:01 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What a relief. A long slow exhale. I'm weary of prez elections as thuggery so it would be a breath of good air to just do what we have to do without the agony. Takes some getting used to. It's a good analogy. The shortness of breath is what bothers me about the hysterical media as a reflection of the constricted mass consciousness. It all adds up to high health care costs. Every exhale helps. The yoga of politics.

The transiting south node in Leo has helped make the cheesy drama fail. There are actual real things of note happening.

30/9/08 2:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Y2K hype? Two years and tens of millions spent by govt. and private companies fixing the problem in systems all over the world before the hour hit was not a hyped problem, it was an avoided one.

-- jag

30/9/08 3:46 PM  
Blogger yeshe_choden said...

hi, jag,

yes, you're right, but hype creates hysteria, which misses the fixin' going on.

The fixin' didn't get its propers until, oh, middle of January 2000, after the hysteria had dissipated.

30/9/08 4:26 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Dan Furst has something canny and thoughtful to say about the upheaval.

The Present Emergency.

30/9/08 4:46 PM  
Blogger Fernmountain said...

My daughter spoke to me today about our current events, she was responding to a photo I sent her of the protesters on wall street that featured large sign that said "Just Jump F*@# er's".

She commented that it seemed to her that the people in the crash of '29 were jumping out of windows because they were mortified they had lost everyones money. This time no one is jumping.

I love hearing the current Saturn return generation's take on all of this.

30/9/08 5:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Joe. I repeat so many times how false this premise is and how naive, although I like his hope that we can dream up something good.:-) This is what steered me away from all the astro sites and groupthink.

I know how the group continues to disagree with me, but the major, most fundamental fallacy is the false dichotomy between the ruling bad guys and the poor good guys. Absolutely false. The commoners are just as greedy as the rulers and that is why the game continues as it has in history. The rulers come from the whole body politic and until each and every one of us evolves the same back and forth will continue. It's very very slow and imperceptible to the human naked eye, but the restriction of natural resources might be the key to some noticeable evolution. Moral superiority is just as dangerous as monetary. The behavior through history has been horrible on all levels, alongside the good.

I lament the group following and the perpetuation of fear and helplessness, but I have to be kind. That's where the group is now. It's childish and involves the perceived giving away of power. They only rule badly insofar as the people want and need that lesson at the time. We are one system.

I have always felt that the only oppressor is myself. Freedom and goodness are always available to those who want it. There are all walks of life and all levels of awareness and the lowest rung sticks out.

Until people stop pitting themselves against this oppressive dictatorial human force, nothing will change. Greed is universal. Why can't people accept that?

If the corporations didn't steal and cheat your commodity prices would rise and that's why it continues. The human family's desire for cheap goods. Plain and simple. People at the bottom pretend to have moral superiority but as soon as they get to the top they behave in the same predictable manner. Does not one wonder why they keep acting like this? Is there a separate germ plasm for rulers? When people keep flailing against this perceived power they waste precious life force that no lucid dreaming will awaken.

Things are likely to stay the same because the reality is this... there is about half and half good and bad at any given time. Sometimes we just land up in a bad spot.

I've never thought much of Furst and now I know why although he seems to have some good qualities.

For once in my life I wish so-called metaphysicians would investigate the root of the situation, not name names, grab a gun, and pray for some miracle in 2012 or a fairy tale ending. The moment Dan and everyone else identifies with these rulers and sees their own complicity will be the moment it starts to change.

I am helpless. I wish I could live to see the day when someone doesn't proclaim a dictatorial menacing power over them in the universe. Unless you want to call gravity menacing.

Hrrrumph!

30/9/08 5:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This time no one is jumping.

There's still money. Jumping out of windows works sometimes.

30/9/08 5:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Basically my dictum is that until the finger of blame makes a 360 degree circle, nothing will change.

30/9/08 5:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

As much as I love Blogland I'm daunted by the number of experts who are trying to prove how smart they are including myself. The people cluster together and nod in agreement at things that are entirely ridiculous. Then there are those who are trying to get attention by disagreeing foolishly and all the while the truth wanders in and out incognito waiting to be caught by the wily and the quick. The ones who aren't following blindly. Maybe the ones who get it are reluctant to try and prove it. My greatest pleasure is in knowing that all of us fools have the time to do all of this. The threat is largely manufactured. Big trouble comes sometimes but we always know what to do.

Yeshe is right. It's in the exhale. It could be that if we stop and learn to breathe fully, our minds will improve, our thinking can be singular, and the answers will appear. Groping in the dark is frustrating, I know, and scary, but I do believe that an inner sense of where to move next is guiding everyone since life seems to enjoy seeing us squirm and survive no matter how many trillions of dollars, yen, pesos or whatnot are grabbed for. Look at your own hands.

life is in large part ludicrous.

30/9/08 5:50 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And another thing. Crisis is not manufactured by the man behind the curtain. It's a natural part of all life.

30/9/08 5:52 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

"It's very very slow and imperceptible to the human naked eye, but the restriction of natural resources might be the key to some noticeable evolution."

My Sun, Mercury, and Chiron in Taurus would agree with this statement.
It's like watching a house plant. It never stays in the same position for long without shifting, and if you move it away from the light it will twist its way back towards the source.

Sometimes we are fortunate enough to be able to witness a dramatic droop of a leaf.

"Greed is universal"

Yes it is. I've always had friends who claim to be "anarchists" and then shoplift or steal "from the man." A disappointment, because I consider myself an anarchist but that doesn't involve theft!

I've always been unpopular for saying "If you hate the 'MAN' so much then why are you stealing from him?"

The answer is that as you say, Greed is Universal and it doesn't matter if you think you are Robinhood, a thief is a thief is a thief.

OMG, JM!!! That last comment is the 3rd Wizard of Oz reference I've read in the last 2 days!

When did that movie come out? I'm off to look, now...

30/9/08 7:15 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

Okay, I looked it up. The Wizard of Oz had it's premiere on August 12, 1939 at Oconomowoc, Wisconsin.
I chose 7 pm as that seems like a reasonable time to go to the movies?

I generated it on astro.com and we have a Grand Trine in Earth.
24 degree Capricorn Mars
21 degrees Taurus Uranus
21 degrees Virgo Neptune

Sun, Mercury, Venus conjunct in Leo

Aquarius ASC of 20 degrees (Hm...interesting)

I have always, always loved this movie. It is hands down my favorite. It's weird to think of it coming out before the outbreak of WWII, with Germany invading Poland (September 9th, wasn't it?)

I think it's amazing that the metaphors of this movie are being used. Another astrologer wrote online today "even Dorothy had to beat back the monkeys and not sleep in the opium field all day!"

LOL. I guess it's my Neptune/Venus that remembers this stuff and classifies it as being of high importance. Long live Toto!

30/9/08 7:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's like watching a house plant. It never stays in the same position for long without shifting, and if you move it away from the light it will twist its way back towards the source.

I love this example and I often use it. We automatically move toward what we need.

I'm an anarchist too, and my jaw drops when I read all the stuff from progressives who like to think of themselves as socialists, yet they are living off the fat of a capitalistic society. Many of them on the book selling circuit, flying about the planet. I saw this even as a kid. Damned hypocritical nonsense. Socialist my ass.

30/9/08 9:39 PM  
Anonymous Helena said...

"Basically my dictum is that until the finger of blame makes a 360 degree circle, nothing will change."

So true. It takes awareness and honesty to own our own follies, to resist blaming situations or other people. It also takes help!

I lived in a community for a time and as a group worked on making that 360 degree circle.

Maybe this kind of work represents a highly functioning or evolved Saturn.

30/9/08 9:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yeeeaaay Toto!!!!!

I love the Wizard too. It seems like a particularly telling tale that stays with us forever. I also find significance in the Kansas factor.

This is fascinating chris. Really. The grand earth trine. Mars at 24 Cap on US Pluto.

It teaches the Taurus lesson of contentment. And guess what? Up comes Uranus in Taurus in a few years trine Pluto in Cap. maybe some of us will give up one of our five toilets and seven TVs!

Very tight trine there. Wow. Love of the land, dog, and self. No Neptune so the rainbow ends up to be right here.

30/9/08 9:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Maybe this kind of work represents a highly functioning or evolved Saturn.

I think a good Saturn understands this from a logical perspective, and could be the basis of metaphysical understanding. The laws of physics apply - equal and opposite - geometry, chemistry, etc. The laws of cause and effect.

1/10/08 3:04 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I think you're on to something about Saturn and its laws. That's what's wrong with the stock market game and the belief in something for nothing. One pays somewhere for gain. All of them come with losses.

1/10/08 3:05 AM  
Blogger yeshe_choden said...

Many of them on the book selling circuit, flying about the planet.

Whoa, hey, smile when you say that, Anarchist Girlfriend! It's one of my life goals to get on the book-selling circuit and fly around the planet. 'Course, I won't be peddling a political tome. Just bourgeois entertainment with a visionary yelp. :-)

But as much as possible, I'll fly airlines that have ditched First Class, so everyone has more leg room.

1/10/08 10:59 AM  
Blogger yeshe_choden said...

I think you're on to something about Saturn and its laws. That's what's wrong with the stock market game and the belief in something for nothing. One pays somewhere for gain. All of them come with losses.

Notice what the Stoopids are saying is the "danger" in not passing a bailout package rightthisveryminute: "Banks won't give loans." ie, "OMG you won't be able to load more debt onto your plate!"

What's not making it into the discussions is how this problem is not about that arbitrary number, 700 billion, nor is it about handing cash over to Wall Street bankers. Nobody has cash; the Treasury has to print it up out of thin air. This is not about tangible money. It's about DEBT -- the great expanse of Nothing for which the financial giants get Something. Debt that has become the basis of wealth at the top levels of financial deal-making. Banks were slicing up pieces of debt out of the thousands of subprime deals, and selling those to other banks.

Crazy? Yeah, we got some crazy!

My wish is that the "bailout" would get money to the banks by way of the public.

As in: the Fed system authorizes accounts of $400K at its state-chartered member banks for every American over the age of 18. The account holder goes to the bank in person with proof of ID. When they meet with the bank officer, three things happen. 1) Standard Income Tax on the 400K is shifted back to the US Treasury. 2) the person's mortgage is paid off, shifted to that bank right then and there. 3) any remaining $ is released to the person's main banking institution for their personal use. If the person has no mortgage, skip 2) and jump right to 3).

Imagine what this would mean to a two-parent family. Or to an 18-year-old who already has credit card debt and only has the military as a way to go to college. Or to the un- and under-insured who need urgent health care.

Or small businessess, or those who want to buy a home, or go to school, or make a movie, etc etc.

Yeah, there would likely be some people who shove it right up their nose, but that's the free market for ya.

Cheers --

1/10/08 11:36 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"As much as I love Blogland I'm daunted by the number of experts who are trying to prove how smart they are including myself. The people cluster together and nod in agreement at things that are entirely ridiculous. Then there are those who are trying to get attention by disagreeing foolishly and all the while the truth wanders in and out incognito waiting to be caught by the wily and the quick."

"Truth wandering incognito" -- I like the image. Sort of like anagrams lost in the wordy wilderness.

On-line anagram servers propose the following.

"raging universe" ... "averring genius" or "arguing inverse"

"life is ludicrous" ... "ridiculous files"

"greed is universal" ... "is a deserving rule" or "is a deserving lure"

"John McCain" ... "jam cinch no"
Kinda incoherent. How about we add "Senator" to the mix?

"Senator John McCain" ... "no isnt major chance"
Still no? Well, okay, what if we add in his middle name?

"Senator John Sidney McCain" ... "jihadist concern many eons"
Scarier and scarier.

"Barack Obama" ... "aback a rambo" or "aback ma boar"
Hmm?

"President Barack Obama" ... "break combat and aspire"
Okay, that's better.

"Hillary Clinton" ... "only i can thrill"

"Sarah Palin" ... "a sharp nail" or "las piranha"

"Joe Biden" ... either "joined be", "jibed one" or a plaintive "i need job"
Well, that's a bit ominous.

Also promoting of healthful exhalations, let's not forget to mention the Palin quotes generator.

1/10/08 11:59 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Anarchists can sell and fly!!! Just not socialists! Anarchists can do whatever the hell they want to. That's why I joined!

Crazy? Yeah, we got some crazy!

I've never been in debt in my life. I don't know how people can stand it. Maybe that's the oppressive thing they all feel and why I'm not with it.

The thing has gotten so mucked up that it will take a generation to straighten out. The money is abstract anyway.

Getting out of Iraq will start saving, but the real key, I think, is to get some new industries going and also the possibility of attracting overseas industries here (already happening) because of - can you believe it - cheap labor! Of course this all happens after the Big Brother dictatorship ends and we get out of the internment camps. Then we'll be free to spend again. :)

Actually the reformation of our economy probably will work out well. There have been a lot of creative ideas thrown out there and the shock effect was necessary to get us into gear. A unifying moment too.

but that's the free market for ya.

That was the free market for ya.

Slowly, slowly slowly.

1/10/08 2:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

arguing inverse

Like it.

HA HA HA HA HA!

What if we add in his middle name?

"Senator John Sidney McCain" ... "jihadist concern many eons"
Scarier and scarier!


President Barack Obama" ... "break combat and aspire"
Okay, that's better.


Hard to believe. Geeze.

They're great.

The Palin quotes are also hard to believe. Was it a Mercury-Neptune square? I haven't been following that action so I didn't realize how unbrainy the quotes really were. What dimension are we in?

1/10/08 2:35 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"The Palin quotes are also hard to believe. Was it a Mercury-Neptune square? I haven't been following that action so I didn't realize how unbrainy the quotes really were. What dimension are we in?"

Ha ha, the on-line quote generator cleverly imitates Palin's babbling syntax during the Couric interviews. It randomly pastes together fragments, to show that the recombinations make nearly as much sense as the original utterances.

Apparently overcoached for the interview, a babbling mess of jumbled talking points spilled out under Couric's polite but determined questioning. It's almost as if under another professional woman's intent steely gaze, Palin felt compelled to cover up her inadequacy with too many words. Hence, the undisguised cringing among appalled conservative commentators as people react with "Huh? What the heck was she trying to say?"

Palin has a long habit of clinging to generalities when pressed for specifics. She avoids answering questions whenever possible. Unlike Clinton, she's not at all booksmart -- and tellingly, according to a former debate opponent, she doesn't care. She thinks it doesn't matter.

She tends to offer "glittering generalities" and folksy anecdotes to distract the audience. Rather than answering with specifics, she may use her time to distract and attack, and emote the appearance of a dynamic presence. Showmanship over substance. People who "debate" that way may throw out more falsehoods than their opponent can reasonably refute in the allotted time. Their aim is to make their opposition appear defensive and weak, while impressing the audience with their own power and authority.

It's interesting that it will be a woman moderating and asking the questions at the VP debate. Conservatives are already trying to bias the public against the moderator.

1/10/08 3:50 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I haven't been following that action so I didn't realize how unbrainy the quotes really were."

Well, her two most lampooned answers were on the bailout and on her knowledge of Russia.

Couric asked Palin why the $700-billion bailout might not be better funneled through middle-class families instead of going to Wall Street firms. (The idea explained so well in yeshe's points above.)

Palin said, "That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

Couric asked Palin to clarify the suggestion often put forth that her state's proximity to Russia should give us confidence in her foreign policy expertise.

"We have trade missions back and forth. We, we do. It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to, to our state."

1/10/08 4:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Alaska is a very odd place, cut off from mainstream America. I think the ratio of men to women is unusually high which could be part of her behavioral development politically. Her attacks are below the belt, whereas Hillary's weren't. In fact, I really was amused by Hill's celestial choir imitations of Barack. I knew then she liked him.

But Sarah is a self-loather and the full moon in Aries is coming to her Venus and Jupiter. Her female image is frightfully confused. Beauty queen and vicious aggressive dog.

As I mentioned earlier, Pluto is headed for her Venus in Aries to transform her image so what we're seeing is a last minute unleashing of her aggression before Pluto puts the clamp on.

As far as her lack of intelligence and awareness go, that's a good way to see that the normal stoopids really aren't so stupid in the land.

In the end, she helped us get the best man for the job and I thank her. Her Aquarius stellium is really for the people deep down.

But beyond that, as Pluto comes to US Venus and Neptune to US Moon, this display of femininity has shown us just what we don't want. A good example and a big learning moment.

1/10/08 4:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Her SN in Cap and NN in Cancer square her Jupiter in Aries, so her rage is against authority and the system. Obama and Biden are representing the choking system to her now with transiting Jupiter in Capricorn square her Aries. Thus the anger.

After this bout, Neptune crosses her Mars and Pluto comes to her Venus so her life should change. Being a women and mother is top priority with NN in Cancer. She is part of our change too.

In the midst of this Nancy Pelosi scored bigtime in the House and I'll go into this as women are due for some recognition of their political roles just ahead. Hillary and Sarah are not the models, but Nancy has the potential which is why she's positioned where she is. I always thought she was talented and it was a matter of timing. She dealt the Republican Party a huge blow last week, being the Sun in Aries, moon in Scorpio that she is.

1/10/08 4:41 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

She can be clever with a smiling put-down, upbeat, telegenic and poised in a looser format. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the next debate.

"Alaska is a very odd place, cut off from mainstream America."

That reminds me how she was evasive, and then took affront when pressed on what she reads to be informed on world and current events. She objected that "Alaska isn't a foreign country" as if her interviewer was suggesting that it was too remote to get the news about Washington, D.C. "Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America," she righteously declared.

"I think the ratio of men to women is unusually high which could be part of her behavioral development politically."

Hmm. Well, it's at 107, highest for a state. But there are cities elsewhere with much higher ratios, I believe. Alaska is also very rural, as in the rape rates being double that of the rest of the nation, and many assaults going unreported. Microcosm, I don't think so.

1/10/08 4:57 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"In the midst of this Nancy Pelosi scored bigtime in the House and I'll go into this as women are due for some recognition of their political roles just ahead."

Good, she's very interesting. A really strong figure.

1/10/08 5:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What cities elsewhere?

I was told that Alaskan men were aggressive as a whole and frustrated by the lack of women. Like on the frontier they go ape-crazy. That's a high rape rate. It would be interesting to study the sociology since lack of power is the motivation for rape. There's lots of money to be made but something is wrong. It reminds me of the original settling of America by many misfits and criminals. I wonder if the lack of curiosity and education is a sociological factor statewide.

1/10/08 5:08 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm glad you feel that way about Pelosi. It really got my attention. She pulled a beauty in the halls of power and I'm impressed.

Her demeanor during the convention was stellar. She cried like everyone else along with maintaining leadership strength and I was moved by her ability to show sensitivity along with power. Good portent.

1/10/08 5:12 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Her female image is frightfully confused. Beauty queen and vicious aggressive dog."

Must be really good lipstick.

1/10/08 5:13 PM  
Blogger jm said...

A dog in a swimsuit.

1/10/08 5:14 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"What cities elsewhere?"

I saw a few of them listed in a press release on an analysis of Census 2000 data.

Interesting highlights at the bottom of the page.

1/10/08 5:20 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"A dog in a swimsuit."

Doing the dog paddle!

1/10/08 5:38 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Of the 245 places with 100,000 or more people, the male population
exceeded the female population in 44 places.


Hmmmm...

1/10/08 6:05 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I was told that Alaskan men were aggressive as a whole and frustrated by the lack of women."

Hmm, that's probably an accurate observation of some places within Alaska. According to the press release, the male-female ratio in Aleutians-East Borough, Alaska was 184.8 -- much higher than the state as a whole. But somehow that smooths out to 107 for the state as a whole. I wonder whether the imbalance in Aleutians-East Borough is related to the local industries.

Crowley County, Colo. was 205.4! Reportedly, that's the highest of any U.S. county/parish in 2000. Its hosting a state prison may tie into that. It has the highest percentage of incarcerated prisoners of any U.S. county.

1/10/08 8:15 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I wonder if the lack of curiosity and education is a sociological factor statewide."

The answer leans to "Yes." :-) See linked article below.

"The cool thing about this particular study is that they were able to look at the state where people reside and study how personality varies by region. Looking over their chart, one state stands out as extreme on virtually every measure -- Alaska.
     "...Alaska really stands out as an extreme state. Alaskans are among the most extremely introverted, least agreeable, least conscientious, and least open to experience of all Americans. They're also, curiously, the least neurotic -- in other words, they're very, very secure that they're right."

The Personality Psychology of States (and Candidates?)

1/10/08 8:35 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Wall Street Journal article on the study:
The United States of Mind

"Even after controlling for variables such as race, income and education levels, a state's dominant personality turns out to be strongly linked to certain outcomes. Amiable states, like Minnesota, tend to be lower in crime. Dutiful states -- an eclectic bunch that includes New Mexico, North Carolina and Utah -- produce a disproportionate share of mathematicians. States that rank high in openness to new ideas are quite creative, as measured by per-capita patent production. But they're also high-crime and a bit aloof."

"High scores for openness to new ideas strongly correlates to liberal social values and Democratic voting habits. But three of the top ten 'open' states -- Nevada, Colorado and Virginia -- traditionally vote Republican in presidential politics. (All three are prime battlegrounds this election.)"

1/10/08 9:02 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

"in other words, they're very, very secure that they're right"

About 10 years ago some friends drove up to Alaska for a camping trip (we're in B.C.) They met a man who was appalled they weren't camping with a gun...so he insisted that he bring them back one to borrow.
They protested, quite right seeing they had never used one (none of them had) and were scared to have a weapon they couldn't use.

He just smiled pleasantly and said "just leave it under the seat of the car parked at _____ when you're done."
The girls were terrified. 19 year old gals from a Canadian city...with a gun?

Another friend worked at the Washington/B.C. border crossing and had many, many arguments with Alaskans who couldn't believe they weren't allowed to take a gun into Canada...forgetting there's a 3 day drive to Alaska. :(

The North is very, very different...the whole way across from Alaska to the Atlantic. To claim Alaska is a microcosm of America seems to be such a strange thing to say! I grew up in Northern B.C. and anyone (everyone!) will tell you that life up there is very, very different.

1/10/08 9:06 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"To claim Alaska is a microcosm of America seems to be such a strange thing to say!"

LOL! It was pretty sad. Asked several times what reading materials helped shape her worldview, Palin couldn't cite any newspaper or magazine, so she finally pretended to be offended.

I suppose that if Palin claimed to sometimes read, for example, conservative leaning publications such as U.S. News and World Report or Wall Street Journal, the interviewer would have asked her to talk a little about them.

Maybe she is suppressing feelings about lacking sophistication. According to The Anchorage Daily News, April 3, 1996:

Sarah Palin, a commercial fisherman from Wasilla, told her husband on Tuesday she was driving to Anchorage to shop at Costco. Instead, she headed straight for Ivana.

And there, at J.C. Penney's cosmetic department, was Ivana, the former Mrs. Donald Trump, sitting at a table next to a photograph of herself. She wore a light-colored pantsuit and pink fingernail polish. Her blonde hair was coiffed in a bouffant French twist.

"We want to see Ivana," said Palin, who admittedly smells like salmon for a large part of the summer, "because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture."

1/10/08 9:45 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Fascinating!!!! This is the stuff I love love love. Analyses of behavior and societal characteristics. I should have been a sociologist before I was going to be a psychologist, before an anthropologist, before a filmmaker...oh, never mind.

This is great.

1/10/08 10:08 PM  
Blogger jm said...

High scores for openness to new ideas strongly correlates to liberal social values and Democratic voting habits. But three of the top ten 'open' states -- Nevada, Colorado and Virginia -- traditionally vote Republican in presidential politics. (All three are prime battlegrounds this election.)

That has to do with intra state distribution and it's changing because the traditional republican party was the one they favored since in the West, they tend to be frugal. But the one now is not at all to their liking and Colorado is completely democratic.

I'm very excited about Virginia this year.

1/10/08 10:13 PM  
Blogger jm said...

To claim Alaska is a microcosm of America seems to be such a strange thing to say! I grew up in Northern B.C. and anyone (everyone!) will tell you that life up there is very, very different.

People do say strange things.:)

I think it has to do with the type of industries in the states too, and what kind of people are attracted to these outposts.

1/10/08 10:17 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Analyses of behavior and societal characteristics."

I like to think that there is a connection between place and psychology. I think people are attracted to places that align with them in some way.

A friend of a friend used to hassle over which state to live in. He wanted to get away from the prying religious environment that oppressed him growing up.

I suggested that he look up some studies. I suspect he did not, or at least not thoroughly. He eventually chose to move to Minnesota, where he had a cousin. Minnesota, high on agreeableness, extraversion, but low on openness.

Though he did not say so directly, it was apparent from his behavior and comments that the cities where most of his liberal cousins lived were too sophisticated for him to feel at ease. He had contradictory desires and a lot of insecurities. Belittled while growing up, he wanted to hide himself from comparison, as if anticipating public criticism. He made efforts to find a lasting relationship, but the truth is that he mostly wanted to be left alone.

Afterwards, he would complain about how difficult it was for him to develop a social life in Minnesota. He'd been warned about that. A polite place, helpful to those in need, but difficult for him to break into existing social circles as a newcomer. Confrontation avoidance is the norm, reportedly. It seems to me that he got what he asked for.

1/10/08 11:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I like to think that there is a connection between place and psychology. I think people are attracted to places that align with them in some way.

No doubt about it. I was raised in a depressed east coast area with close families that clung to ethnic traditions. But I'm completely at home in the vastly different west with it's alienation and independence, desert dryness, perpetual sunshine, clothing style, and many other things, down to my love of western swing music. I recognized my home here way back on a trip with my family at 12 years old.

Interesting story about your friend. It's a question of trade-offs, although I miss nothing about my hometown.

My family in NY likes the crowded factor there. It seems to afford some kind of protection and feeling of belonging. I notice most of them are more dependent socially than I am. They feel lonely out here.

1/10/08 11:22 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

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2/10/08 11:22 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Aha, bingo. How funny! Just in time.

2/10/08 4:00 PM  

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