Is the Crisis Waning?
Peter Drucker
For all you political enthusiasts, last week was highly interesting. Here are some of the astro-details.
The on-going financial crisis reached a curious spot yesterday. A Moon in Taurus, the sign of petty cash, came in to aspect with Jupiter and Saturn forming a grand earth trine. The Sun in Virgo was involved too, and an emergency fix was drawn. Because of the trine I'm led to believe that this will work temporarily and the panic served its purpose. To shock the public into awareness, as Uranus likes to do. The realization that the country has deep underlying problems and that transition is the necessary remedy seems to be grasped. But nothing can really be done until the next administration gets into office and gets to work. There's symbolism in the talk of tearing down the walls of Wall Street that separate business from Main Street as Pluto goes into Capricorn and changes boundaries.
The Full Moon landed on McCain's Uranus transit to his Saturn in Pisces and the disintegration continues. I expect now that people will start to feel sorry for him, one of the side effects of Pisces. There's no doubt he's a tragic figure. But for the Piscean Saturn it's all in the game. The drama is part of the decision being made around the Pisces-Virgo opposition. Should one choose the healthy route? Maybe at this point there is no choice.
And yet another interesting thing just happened. I mentioned before the long station of the North Node on Obama's Aquarian ascendant, which started on July 4th. Yesterday it ended and moved on to the 19th degree. Through all of the turbulence, Obama has stayed steady as if directing a vessel through a storm - two conventions, two hurricanes, and more - so I think people are getting a glimpse of his capability, and are developing trust in his leadership. He especially rose to the occasion during the last couple of days, appearing to be the only leader in the room, the previous one vacationing in Absentia. A big test. In addition, it seems to be closing the long period where Obama was accused of being "not of the people," also curious considering his South Node, ascendant and Jupiter in Aquarius. I think his integration with the collective has been finalized.
Things will remain jumpy in view of the shaky spot the nation is still in, but a turn in the direction of the campaign seems to be permanent. It's getting serious now, and the hard work of the Pluto in Capricorn transit is close at hand. The panic will undoubtedly rise again, what with the traditional October surprise and whatever machinations the so-called powerful ones have planned, but this is a good test of faith and confidence with Pluto ending in the 29th degree.
The future isn't what somebody else tells us it is.
The future is what we decide it's going to be.
Barack H.Obama
posted by jm at 1:41 AM
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I keep thinking the Merc retro now upon us will cause its own special problems for the McCain campaign.
Even as it slowed to station we get Palin's hacked Yahoo email account (which has been considered more an aspect of her administrative carelessness than an invasion of her privacy), and, yesterday, a quote from McCain, just published in a trade journal, saying our health care system should be deregulated, just like the financial system.
Words coming back to haunt.
-- jag
That statement about health care was something. And how about the other one now? ... "The fundamentals of the economy are strong." Politics of the Absurd every day.
He's really got problems when Merc goes retro despite a few good transits that might help with the debates. Venus and Mars are going into Scorpio for one thing, speaking of hauntings, but the big one is Saturn coming to his 16 Virgo Neptune opposing that brutal Uranus transiting Saturn. Then on to Venus, which doesn't bode well for his newfound soul-mate. She's under the influence of Neptune anyway, and is entirely lost. They really could be meant for each other.
I think he'll be glad when this thing is over. He'll have to pick a house to recover in.
Axelrod will likely seize the day on the health care statement which fits his Virgo-Pisces transit.
JM, you've hit one out of the park again. I can't conceive of a larger audience not being in your future...seriously.
I expect we'll be hearing a lot more about McCain's views on privatizing Social Security, if not from the corporate media then the Obama campaign.
Speaking of the Uranus transit to McCain's Saturn which is exact this week, I believe the big shock for McCain was the imminent disaster of catastrophic proportions brewing on Wall Street. Could have been a fatal blow.
As for Bush, his absence during this economic tidal wave is like his delayed response to Katrina. One would think the President of the United States would give a major address if not the evening of Black Monday, then the next day.
On the McCain/Palin alliance? Ingrid N. the astrologer you mentioned once said a person with a Pluto Moon opposition believes other people are more powerful than they are. I think we're seeing that dynamic play out with Palin and McCain's campaign manager as well.
I think he'll be glad when this thing is over. He'll have to pick a house to recover in.
ROFL omg jm that's priceless!
My prediction (will only bother you with the details if somebody asks specifically for it): Mc Cain will- (want it or not)- BE SUCKED INTO THE PRESIDENCY by the present constellations.
We are not living "rational times". That's why star-gazers like you and me are in vogue right now. So let's enjoy the present animated times! Cirio to all free floating minds...
(rhyme unintended).
Helena you touched the story of my life.
I can't conceive of a larger audience not being in your future...seriously.
I can feel it close! My future is getting smaller by the minute, though, so I've gotta get a move on. This time I'm really ready. Your statement convinced me. I've been preparing for a long time.
I agree that this was the fatal blow to his campaign with the transit exact. There's such a strong element of destiny in this election. That's why I'm seizing the opportunity to learn about confidence and disregard the fears and predictions, replacing them with will. A curious combination of destiny and will.
I feel like the campaign is metaphor for my own path and I've been experiencing a spurt of growth by combining with the collective will and energy. Obama's Sun and Uranus fall exactly on my Saturn and Pluto in Leo in the 5th so it's a big chance for me, with Neptune opposing now, giving me the absorptive powers. I expect to be ready for that audience when this is complete. His skill with an audience is among the best I've seen and his sense of self is my lesson.
It does remind me of Katrina which also occurred when Pluto went direct. To the day. Bush disappearing gave Obama a chance to deal with a big crisis. The main thing people fear is his youth. But the county and world want him and I think we're all in this together, including Bush and McCain, just as I felt Hillary was helping to prepare him. People forget what a major feat this is evolutionarily and what a thing he's achieving.
You know Ingrid??? Amazing! You can see his Cancer SN in the Pluto-Moon opposition too. Looks like he's often had a punishing adult, but in a backward way I think Palin will be the one to finally help him mature with her SN in Capricorn. The important thing is for him to get free.
It's going to be fascinating to watch the story come to a climax next month and see how people respond as a whole. Just one moment free from terror and oppression would give us a jump start in dealing with the challenges ahead. I always thought a religious experience was awaiting this Sagittarius country as Pluto exits and leaves his gift.
The religious element was huge the night of his nomination and I think this is one big moment when faith and politics combine, despite people's terror of church and state. It has to for politics to be good. Perfect ending for Pluto's transit.
Joe. Hugs and kisses.:-)
I'm hoping McCain's role in the creation of the Savings & Loan collapse of the 1980s gets aired. Seems he was one of the congresscritters who helped get the financial industry deregulated in the first place.
Karma -- You're what's for dinner!
Gian Paul. You already stated your prediction and if you don't curtail your aggression - caps not necessary - I will delete your comments. It's one thing to have your opinion and another to threaten others with it. You can do that elsewhere.
Yup. He was in on the deregulation. The karma is coming for a lot of us both good and bad. We're in too deep of a financial crisis not to wake up and make the change. Even the one's who capitalized on it are in danger of losing. Cutting them loose is the best, I think, rather than punishment and revenge. Don't know if we have time.
Survival dictates and equilibrium rules.
Hey, all --
I just stumbled upon this site --
http://karmicknowledge.com/
--and it has some interesting insights into the candidates' charts, karmic issues and even the language of their hands.
Cheers!
Here's the start of the response on the social security-economy issue.
His comic timing.:-)
Y'all know I don't know much about astrology-Believe, but will never get around to learning what you know-never had my chart done as I said before. But that's the value of community, each contributes what they have to SHARE. Since 9/11 and Katrina, I wanted to share my SHARE idea..Seeding Hope And Respectful Economy. When W said after 9/11- buy more stuff, my neighbors & friends agreed as much as we wanted to help, we were already stuffed with stuff and have inherited more that we know what to do with..can't we just send them (Katrina victims)-some stuff and we actually did-hired trucks and stuffed them with bookoos of stuff for weeks, Well that got costly and unsustainable.I then said, let's find a place to sell our stuff and send them the money..that did not work out as you can't find a venue here for less that $1200. a month. I ventured, can't we start a SH-ebay gig, but we did not know how..Anyway, that's one idea I wanted to share.
Back my "hippie-school" ideas. When we poured into Atlanta in 1967 we rented Victorian houses-then mansions, then farms for a song. Here's why (I think).. the houses had great heart and soul and wanted to shelter, be loved-be of USE. We fell into them easily. But then we had to pay rent and eat. We grew gardens and found that greens were the best deal-grew year round & you did not have to be processing/putting up stuff-greens, grains & bread were what we lived on-cheap and easy. We still needed $. We rented an old laundromat, started a crafts co-op. One of our original members made it a non-profit corporation which meant we couldn't just pocket the profits, we had to DO something with it. So, from there we established a free clinic (got doctors to donate time 2 nights a week), a day-care center and a crisis hot-line. We "invented" recycling as we did not want to pay for trash pick up-we did this with interaction with the Sanitary workers which led to the realization of their plight, led to the marches/fight for rights and wages, etc. Much of this is now documented in www.thestripproject.com.
What is my point? If you give Love a place to grow, it will do so beyond your wildest dreams. The government should get back to potecting/ the Bill of Rights/ and the Constitution...oh sheese, don't get me started there...living in the past,I am..those were the days.
People often lament the fact that it takes extreme circumstances to wake society up but there must be a reason for that. It feels like we've stepped into a new room in this country.
Moon-Pluto oppositions are interesting. Usually the person is overwhelmed in early life, feeling emotionally out of control, and sometimes the mother keeps the child in a trap of togetherness. Then the individual replays the dynamic in relationships trying to equalize the power. Often there is magnetic pull around traumatic situations and the person feels compelled to try and control them. They get involved with troubled people as in McCain's case. His first wife who became crippled in an accident and his second, who is a drug addict. His prison days are also an enactment of powerlessness.
The good thing about the opposition is that shared power is well within reach. It will be interesting to see how he does with Palin in the end. It started with his complete humiliation, but if he can extricate himself by the end he will have made a big step in dealing with his coming Pluto opposition to his SN in Cancer. That's the main thing in his life now. Cindy waits in the wings.
People with Moon-Pluto dilemmas can track it and use the information in their own lives.
Joluna, what a great story. Us old hippies will be the wise elders in the coming days!
If you give Love a place to grow, it will do so beyond your wildest dreams. The government should get back to potecting/ the Bill of Rights/ and the Constitution
Amen. We're on our own for awhile. Communes are not a bad idea. It's going to be a test of our resourcefulness and in some ways I think this financial bail-out is setting the stage for self reliance.
Uranus is coming to the US Aries 4th house revisiting our strength, courage, independence, spirit, enthusiasm, and ability to carve out lives on difficult terrain. We always do it.
JM, I compelled to step outside my comfort zone and comment again. There are so many ideas you share that strongly resonate with me these days.
First, your Drucker quote is inspired--as is this entire post--with respect to this election, or maybe just the state of the world--change is needed and is meaningless without action. Drucker also told us how to identify Change Leaders. "A change leader looks for change, knows how to find the right changes and knows how to make them effective both outside the organization and inside it." He felt that the challenges of tomorrow were a Call for Action by a Change Leader today and require:
1. Policies to make the future: organized abandonment, organized improvement, exploitation of success.
2. Systematic methods to look for and anticipate change: windows of opportunity, systematic innovation.
3. The right way to introduce change, both within and outside the organization: maintenance budget (80% to 90% of total) and separate budget for the future.
4. Policies to balance change and continuity: continuing relationships, no surprises.
Obama is the only candidate that comes close to these criteria. The recent crisis only sharpens the contrast.
Second, McCain's campaign seems faustian, where any victory will be Mephistophelean in nature. If elected, one wonders if he will be saved by America's having put their faith in him or will he have lost his soul in the process. I, too, see him as sad and tragic at this point whatever the outcome.
--km
[The commentator of a few days ago with Cancer rising, Aries on the 11th and strangely enough Moon in late Taurus in the 12th with Pisces (NN) / Virgo (SN) nodes.]
km, I'm really really pleased you commented again. I'm so in love with that Drucker quote I'm beside myself, and I didn't know about him so I appreciate your information. All those things describe Obama perfectly.
Everyone here knows I haven't predicted an Obama win by astrology. Our country needs him now. It's so very simple. People can fear a McCain win if they want to, but I'm not. I've had enough fear. Everything has a saturation point.
Moon in Taurus in the 12th with a Pisces NN is the ultimate in spiritual comfort. It's yours when you want it. I'll put my articles on your nodes in a comment but first I'm also going to go out of my comfort zone and address this astro-fear in my next comment.
Oh, that moon in Taurus 12. What a beauty.
change is needed and is meaningless without action.
I'm not getting involved in the prediction games around this election. Our country has severe problems and it's time to do something about it. Electing Obama is a start and that's what we're doing. For heaven's sake people can't wait for the planets to tell them what to do. It's like waiting for the government to decide and look where it landed us. People want dramatic change they always say. So? What are they waiting for?
I don't like old fashioned fatalistic astrology and I don't use it. I barely read charts. I look at them once and get the message, quickly and easily, and apply it to life. Over-reading is a distraction. I refresh myself occasionally on certain charts but the real reading goes on someplace else. So I don't need and don't want 1000 different USA charts. Not necessary. I also find that the important themes repeat themselves and want to communicate to all who are receiving. I am in no way suggesting that those who follow the other routes should change that. Everyone chooses what works for her or himself.
But what I dislike most is the insistence that planets suck people or push people, dictating their lives. This is incorrect. The planets are locked into their own orbits doing what they are supposed to be doing in a fair relationship with earthlings. They only have the power that individuals give them. It's the same with all ruling bodies, governments included. People who give their power to authority have those life lessons to work out. It has nothing to do with your future. And people who use astrology to frighten others have power issues and should be regarded with caution. They are afraid themselves. Making others afraid is a weak way out and doesn't work. It's up to you to decide whether to believe them or not. Self confidence is one of the greatest gifts life has to offer.
And I'll repeat an important point. I'm not using astrology in predicting an Obama victory. I have never believed in an oppressive and punishing life force in charge. I don't know why so many do.
Now. If a person survives by giving this power to those entities, then that's that. They have their reasons. I consider these entities teachers and allies, since they've been around a lot longer than I. They certainly are not trying to hurt me. I'm in charge of my own pain and fear.
I also think that if the entities in the cosmos have a consciousness it's in their best interests to guide us well, since their reputations depend on it. Mostly I think they are neutral, leaving decisions up to us. They provide a navigational map and an absolutely beautiful interpretation. I celebrate astrology.
I find people who have an emphasis on the twelfth house can struggle to find their place in the world. Of course, the other side of this is that they can also be more attuned to spiritual or archetypal realities, or at least believe they are. This was certainly the case with George Bush (12th house Sun) who believes he was told by God to go to war against Saddam Hussein!
anonymous, I believe the world needs more of us stepping out of our comfort zones. Perhaps we all get a little lift as well by your doing it.
I have Moon in the 12th also, though not in Taurus. For a long time I was more drawn to other worlds and inner planes, but have finally learned to feel at home as a human and with other humans. Moon in the 12th also has resonances with the Persephone myth and the lost mother/daughter. The 12th house has been spoken of in its more negative connotations in the past, but I find it fascinating in its Jungian associations with the collective unconscious, angels deities, and nature spirits.
JM, Saturn Pluto in Leo in the fifth house. I can believe this involves lessons, perhaps healing of lifetimes around expression, probably having many layers through time. (I understand if you'd rather this comment not appear here.)
"Over-reading is a distraction."
Oh, a pet peeve of mine.
"People want dramatic change they always say. So? What are they waiting for?"
Agree with that, too. With some people, after I hear out their complaint, sometimes I clasp my hands and say, "I see. And what have you been thinking of doing about that?" This assists them to shift tracks.
I usually refrain from making negative predictions, as human beings are potentially the largest factor of all. Sometimes it is better to let people grow through experience. I would not rob them of their forward momentum. It is not wasted if the skill and character they gain helps carry them through to the next cycle or opportunity. Often, belief counts for much, with a bit of natural reinforcement from others.
I also think that if the entities in the cosmos have a consciousness it's in their best interests to guide us well, since their reputations depend on it. Mostly I think they are neutral, leaving decisions up to us.
What I was taught is-
mostly they are neutral. Some are not, it's best not to mess around with them since we already have what need here. In any case they don't have the right or power to interfere with us without our consent. To do so would be a violation of universal law. The universe is neutral about what we become. It's our choice.
Helena I have to laugh. Lifetimes of lessons around expression hardly touches it! My favorite story is my insistence that I was killed for expressing myself in a previous life since my trepidation does not equal reality in this one.
More later ....
I usually refrain from making negative predictions, as human beings are potentially the largest factor of all. Sometimes it is better to let people grow through experience. I would not rob them of their forward momentum.
Totally agree kadimiros. I never could do it with the sometimes fragile emotional make-up of the human creature. Plus how am I to know that the experience isn't necessary in the sequence? I would think it is.
Often, belief counts for much, with a bit of natural reinforcement from others.
Completely agree again. It's time for that.
In any case they don't have the right or power to interfere with us without our consent. To do so would be a violation of universal law.
Yes. There are strict laws governing life. Look at the spectrum of light. No argument there.
I see crises as a sort of bending of light to nudge the group into order.
"What I was taught is-
mostly they are neutral. Some are not, it's best not to mess around with them since we already have what need here. In any case they don't have the right or power to interfere with us without our consent."
That just sounds so sensible. It's just like real life, heheh.
anonymous, I believe the world needs more of us stepping out of our comfort zones. Perhaps we all get a little lift as well by your doing it.
I think so helena. There's a lot of wisdom in that 12th house. Maybe that's exactly what's happening now and those who are afraid to make the move are caught paralyzed in fear.
I have to apply that to my Saturn-Pluto and express myself out of that zone.
Crisis is such a great opportunity and it doesn't come often.
Real life does have a cosmic flavor to it.
it's best not to mess around with them since we already have what need here.
So true. Maybe they envy us.:-)
"Helena I have to laugh. Lifetimes of lessons around expression hardly touches it!"
Yeah, she hit the spot with that one, didn't she? ;-)
jm's alchemically transforming her life into art, or something like that. Lead into gold, or Saturn into, um, something nicer than metallic gold. Golden sun, maybe. In creative Leo.
Moon in the 12th also has resonances with the Persephone myth and the lost mother/daughter
Interesting helena. I'd like to hear more.
I'm fascinated with the 12th and I spent 25 years living with a 3 planet one. I never tire of delving into that subject.
YESSS!!!!!!! OMG!!!
jm's alchemically transforming her life into art, or something like that.
That's it. I have arrived. Now I can bank on the gold in lieu of cold cash. Golden Sun. Yes. Oh, Please life. Let me continue.:o) Life as art.
guess what you weizenheimers?/ Neptune at 22 just left my Saturn tonight.
Anyway, speaking of the Sun and Leo. There really is something to this love thing. It sure helps.
I was thinking of the feeling of light within when we walk through other's shadows and the world's fear and despair. We really shouldn't fear the shadows if we have the warmth and confidence. I remember reading 40 years ago about Saturn in Leo and the treasure of self, and I nearly wept. Or did I? It's all worth it when discovered.
"The 12th house has been spoken of in its more negative connotations in the past, but I find it fascinating in its Jungian associations with the collective unconscious, angels deities, and nature spirits."
How interesting. I think I've traveled in some of those realms in visions, particularly during my art school years.
Chiron, I read, has a strange orbit between Saturn and Uranus, overlapping both of theirs. I have Chiron in Pisces and 12th House, suggesting, I read, that I have "the ability to help people be more imaginative and creative". Well, I suppose I could be spending my time depressing people instead with my Mercury-Saturn conjunction.
Chiron opposite Uranus: "This is an aspect of ferocious intensity which either bums the native out or pushes him or her to great transmutative levels." Hmm. No comment. :-) Supposedly confers healing abilities, such as electrical body readjustment. Very cool. I'm intrigued.
"Please life. Let me continue.:o) Life as art."
Now that I think about it, it feels like such an alchemical placement, so many connections for you.
HA HA HA!!!
Well, I suppose I could be spending my time depressing people instead with my Mercury-Saturn conjunction.
You are so fundamentally kind.
I always thought the overlapping orbits were part of the centaur's representation of man going beyond the ordinary confines. Being in both worlds. An incremental expansion of consciousness.
Chiron opposite Uranus: "This is an aspect of ferocious intensity which either bums the native out or pushes him or her to great transmutative levels
Chiron is in Aquarius now, conjunct the NN.
The "life as art" path has been with me forever.
You mean the Saturn in Leo as the alchemical placement?
"Neptune at 22 just left my Saturn tonight."
Oh? Oh. Reality changing?
Reality??
"You mean the Saturn in Leo as the alchemical placement?"
Yes, seems to fit, abetted by other things. Saturn requiring time, but rewarding in the end.
Actually Neptune dissolves boundaries so maybe Saturn wall is dissolving to expose an alternative reality.
The opposition to Nep in my 11th now is the mirror I'm looking at in the collective. Nice.
The time factor of Saturn was one of the easiest for me to accept. In fact it's been a comfort since I was perfecting my craft for so long and never felt ready. It was tempting, though, to wait forever and now circumstance says otherwise. Just in time.
There are things I really love about Saturn. Well no wonder. Leo? 5th?
Now what about all these Capricorns in my life at present?
"...to expose an alternative reality."
Yes, that's what I was wondering.
"The opposition to Nep in my 11th now is the mirror I'm looking at in the collective. Nice."
Well, you do have keen awareness. I had wondered before when you would mention the mirroring. I don't say everything that comes to me, but I notice you usually get around to saying it with admirable adeptness.
"I was thinking of the feeling of light within when we walk through other's shadows and the world's fear and despair. We really shouldn't fear the shadows if we have the warmth and confidence. "
To everyone we mentally touch, we can leave a glimpse of light so they do not forget its warmth when they are cold.
"I remember reading 40 years ago about Saturn in Leo and the treasure of self, and I nearly wept. Or did I? It's all worth it when discovered."
Stunningly worthwhile. :-)
"Now what about all these Capricorns in my life at present?"
Heh, are we over-rrepresented now? Dunno, it's your alternative reality, heheh.
"over-rrepresented"
Hmm, let's try that key again.
overrrrrepresent
Speaking of alchemy, all of the people attentive to the elections go through their own growth process, too, as the respective "players" on the world stage dramatize issues for everyone. It is very advanced, I think, to be able to see the political process that way.
I don't say everything that comes to me, but I notice you usually get around to saying it with admirable adeptness.
May I send you a cyberkiss. Please, don't be shy.
You know, I love these conversations we have not only for their pleasure, but for their practical use. The mirror concept is extra valuable and I wasn't even watching this transit closely. How amazing, tonight. The perfect reflection. There is something to this Leo love thing. Love in the ethers with Neptune in Aquarius.
Interesting that there are not so loving elements yet with Saturn in Leo perfected, that doesn't matter. Food for thought.
Heh, are we over-rrepresented now? Dunno, it's your alternative reality, heheh.
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!
Can you imagine??? An alternative reality overpopulated with Capricorns????
I have really arrived. Where, I know not. But it makes me laugh. My word. Neptune and Caps. Caplock!!!
LOL!
A mistake!!!!!! A double r. This is a night to remember!
Speaking of alchemy, all of the people attentive to the elections go through their own growth process, too, as the respective "players" on the world stage dramatize issues for everyone. It is very advanced, I think, to be able to see the political process that way.
Yes yes yes. And now I think at this crisis point we all have a good deal to study and learn. Actually I'd love to hear from everyone about the things they identify with and what the process has meant to them.
It's enlightening. Maybe learning is stepped up in an election. Well, especially with Pluto in Sagittarius, the sign of higher learning.
My Leo lessons have been in ultra high gear.
The bailout for example, in terms of alchemy. What does it mean?
For some it's the evil fascist dictatorship. For others, a practical solution, if not perfect. Then others see the reflection of their own greed. Some see the decline of bad policy. And other see the billions as abstract and unrelated. Just amazing. A billion-faceted jewel.
"Can you imagine??? An alternative reality overpopulated with Capricorns????"
A fearsome prospect, indeed. It would be managed to a T.
Or with Pluto therein again, perhaps that's Boston Tea, like the Party the last time around.
HA HA HA!!! But the question is....who would be doing the management?
Hey!! I have the Saturn!! And I intend to use it!
Tea is too delicate for Pluto, revolution notwithstanding. It's hard to party with Pluto but it can be done. I will have to think of what beverage would be best to chuck.
Wait a minute! Pluto could read the leaves and spook us with the future, whilst overthrowing the universe at the same time. Yes. A Boston tea Party.
"A mistake!!!!!! A double r. This is a night to remember!"
Ah yes. The simple delight of pressing that big shiny Red button.
How is it that we evolved into button pressing madpeople? What is it with the digits? I go back to my theory that we're tapping out a cosmic Morse Code and still trying to decipher it.
I'm beginning to think that it's best if reality fails, so the alternative can birth and thrive.
Oh and that's another one. Neptune! The Horrible Neptune! Hunh? What's so bad about illusion. Call it delusion if you will. Whatever you wish. Allusion, dillusion, panavision, whatever.
"And now I think at this crisis point we all have a good deal to study and learn."
A magnificient opportunity. Few would have expected the twists and turns of this year.
"The bailout for example, in terms of alchemy. What does it mean?"
Some talk about irrational exuberance. I talk about the manic-depressive economic cycle gone off its meds.
I always thought the modern financial stuff a bit like evanescent liquids. We use words like solvent and flush to describe having funds but, on the other hand, it can disappear rather quickly.
Solutio (Latin: solutio; solvere = to loosen, to solve), the elemental Water operation, to turn a solid into a liquid. "The solid seems to disappear into the solution as if it had been swallowed up." Quite a hat trick. As others have put it: An industry around since the Civil War and that survived the Great Depression virtually vanishing overnight.
It could mean that certain oppositional characteristics have been taken to their logical extremes, which brings about the very conditions for dissolution to prepare the ground for new creation.
"Hey!! I have the Saturn!! And I intend to use it!"
Look out, world! She's got the Saturn. And she knows how to use it!
"Wait a minute! Pluto could read the leaves and spook us with the future, whilst overthrowing the universe at the same time. Yes. A Boston tea Party."
Very fitting to the seasonal themes. The election cycle's accommodates "the king must die, long live the king", anyway.
"How is it that we evolved into button pressing madpeople?"
Well, for one thing, pushing buttons is a relatively safe way to...push other people's buttons. So it must be that it is a evolutionary step up from ye olde partisan ways of tribal warfare.
"Actually I'd love to hear from everyone about the things they identify with and what the process has meant to them."
Ah, good question. But oops, it is that time again. To dream, perchance to wake. :-)
My apologies for hurting anyones' feelings by talking about astrological interpretations.
Was certainly not intendet. First I am not American, don't live in the States and, foremost, I am interested to learn more about the cosmos and its workings.
Thought that this blog was a forum for exactly that, now I am (indirectly) discovering "the rules and regulations" .
I have only "bloggued" since 2 weeks now, understand very little about computers. Admittedly, being Aries, I have some plus and some minuses. Will work a bit more on the latter than I did so far.Cirio and no bad feelings, I hope.
LOL on all of it!!! HA HA HA HA! Omg. Neptune and CAPS.
A magnificient opportunity. Few would have expected the twists and turns of this year.
Uuunh...remember Uranus. Your pal. Practically your ruler.
Look out, world! She's got the Saturn. And she knows how to use it!
LOL! You did it! Frippin' osmosis. Besides a few corrective measures.
Well, for one thing, pushing buttons is a relatively safe way to...push other people's buttons. So it must be that it is a evolutionary step up from ye olde partisan ways of tribal warfare.
That one is excellent. I'll keep pushing and evolving. HA HA! Other's buttons. LOL.
Your description of the financial situation is also excellent. You are right about solvency and evanescence. Absolutely. All liquid. A lot of evaporation. Yes indeed. No one has it.
I talk about the manic-depressive economic cycle gone off its meds.
Should be coined.
It could mean that certain oppositional characteristics have been taken to their logical extremes, which brings about the very conditions for dissolution to prepare the ground for new creation.
Probably.
Wonderful nightcap.
Aries. Of course.
The correct spelling is "blogged".
Km, here're your nodes. I thought last night about your moon in Taurus and how deep the pleasure, refuge, and escape can be with that placement. I have a memory of it with my Pisces 12th.
South Node in Virgo
North Node in Pisces
You may have steped over the limit of your competence (Peter Drucker, as well, if I am not wrong.
Talk to you AFTER your elections, if you're still blogging then.
Thanks for the english and other lessons and may God bless you, now and in future lives as well!
Gian Paul (Aries by sign...)
"Your description of the financial situation is also excellent. You are right about solvency and evanescence. Absolutely. All liquid. A lot of evaporation. Yes indeed. No one has it."
There are ancient connections of Mercury to barter, commerce, procreative relationships and elemental Water; I suppose that these connections to exchange relationships may still hold true particularly for localized one-to-one transactions.
As a more modern mental association, I tend to connect Neptune to oil and finance because of their qualities of fluidity, distribution and evanescence.
If you want a recent astrological tie-in, there was a contagion of fear causing a huge drop in the Asian markets last year on the day that Saturn precisely opposed Neptune.
Hmm, Uranus has been approaching opposition to U.S.A. Neptune in the last year or so. According to a financial astrology page, "The last time Uranus was in the U.S. Fifth House and opposite Neptune was in 1925 at the height of the Teapot Dome scandal. At the time, the trials surrounding the improper leasing of an oil field in Wyoming were billed as the largest government scandal of the century. A few years later, when the stock market crashed, those implicated in the oil scandal were among the first to lose their fortunes.
Bubbles tend to pop when the outer planets are forming major configurations, usually involving Uranus, the planet of the unexpected. ...We'll watch with anticipation as transiting Saturn and Uranus oppose each other....
'Procedurally, the Teapot Dome investigations stand as a landmark in the use of congressional and special prosecutorial power.'"
Yes. I still associate Mercury with commerce. Mercury is involved in all connections. Other planets specify.
'Procedurally, the Teapot Dome investigations stand as a landmark in the use of congressional and special prosecutorial power.'
Very very interesting kad. The opposition will continue to surprise and fascinate I expect. The recent events really do remind me of that situation.
At the time, the trials surrounding the improper leasing of an oil field in Wyoming were billed as the largest government scandal of the century.
Heheh. People forget that all this is nothing new. After scandal comes recognition, then improvement, then another breakdown, and onward the cycles go. Makes me wonder about any future investigations.
Fortunes being made and lost. That's a good one. The opposition plus Pluto have illuminated quite well. Some people fear that the non-wealthy are losing the most but I'm not so sure about that.
"Speaking of alchemy, all of the people attentive to the elections go through their own growth process, too, as the respective "players" on the world stage dramatize issues for everyone. It is very advanced, I think, to be able to see the political process that way."
This is by no means definitive, but what just struck me is Barack is manifesting his Aquarian ascendant in the direction he wants to lead the country, and at the same time reflecting our own deep collective evolutionary yearning for Unity, for in unity lies our strength and courage to move forward, out of the labyrinth of fear, lies, and separateness we've been caught up in since 911. McCain and Palin's pitting us against one another is a reflection of the baser elements of the national psyche and would not have any resonance if these baser instincts weren't there. I like to think that Palin's drop in the polls is a hopeful sign that the American people will choose the side of our angels. (I'm not sure that's the exact expression.) Perhaps that's what Jupiter's conjunction to the U.S. Pluto portends, a collective rising out of the ashes of the Underworld we've been in the last eight years.
We're seeing a perverted expression of "we're all in this together" in the proposed Paulson bailout of Wall Street. Someone wrote recently that never have so many been asked to sacrifice so much for so few. Exactly! It's time for the people to rise up. We're in a Uranus Pluto cycle after all!
Helena you are so exactly right about the unity and that's the 12th house and the desire to unify with the universal - his Satun in the 12th. His collective responsibility is immense and it's the route to his own re-unification with spirit. It's a very fascinating set-up and I've barely touched the surface.
I think that's why you're responding and many 12th housers are heeding the call. Progressed US Sun has just entered Pisces and our Neptune in Virgo is getting more work.
The rise-up is going into action now. Barack's SN in Aquarius has led revolutions before and he'll guide this one. Next week I think we're going to see the whole country follow his leadership. It looks like the bailout is going to be altered in the next days. This is a big one.
There's no doubt that we need him to take charge. Everybody knows it, including the Repubs, which is why I think they picked the two worst candidates possible. Nothing can impede this necessity. I suspect that a big moment of unity will come at the end when he's chosen for the presidency.
Palin's slide will be big and she'll soon be a caricature, mocked, and then probably pitied in keeping with her Neptune-Sun transit and her dissolution, along with McCain's.
The rebirth of our country I think started when 9-11 hit our Sagittarius ascendant-descendant, and then when Jupiter came. out of the 12th and through the first.
No better image than the rise of the phoenix and the rebirth of our nation with Pluto.
There's a tidal wave moving through the populace.
The transits starting with the Saturn-Uranus opposition and leading up to the entrance of Uranus into Aries are amazing. I've covered them before, but I will again since now they might make more sense. The Uranus-Pluto cycle is going to be envigorating to say the least. And now the people have been called to the fore.
The connection of Persephone with the Moon in the twelfth house I had in mind is not focused on the abduction and rape part of the myth, but lies in the relationship between mother and daughter. (Rape is a Mars/Pluto phenomenon.) The myth suggests to my mind that the separation is required and integral to her maturation and transformation from Kore, the maiden into Persephone, queen of the Underworld. The myth further suggests to me that the Kore's attachment to her mother, Demeter, is an impediment to her psychological health and/or growth.
The Ascendant represents the moment of birth, the physical incarnation of the soul, and consciousness. Whereas the 12th is the realm of the unconscious. The unconscious is a modern term for what the Greeks called the Underworld. The Moon in the twelfth suggests a loss of the mother either literally or psychologically, a difficulty accessing this aspect of the psyche that Moon represents, the feeling function. But Moon in the twelfth also has an extraordinary sensitivity and access to the unconscious, via dreams, visions, meditative and altered states, for example. Also, because of the Moon's being in the twelfth, the personal and the archetypal "mother" become fused to some degree and is therefore a powerful presence in the psyche. This is also true of Moon in major aspect to an outer planet, Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto.
There's also the experience of loss from Demeter or the mother's side. What I recall is that Demeter unraveled and spent some time wandering incognito.
To give you some personal history, I have a twelfth house Moon/Uranus conjunction in Cancer. I was born in China. My family fled during the cultural revolution and moved to Brazil when I was two. Soon after, my mother and sister returned to China. My father and I came to live in the U.S. I never saw her again. At 16, I gave birth to a daughter. She was adopted at birth. After searching for me for two years, we met 33 years later.
So there you have it: Myth and history.
Omg.
I think you're right that the 12th could mean a connection with the mythological in actual life circumstances. Larger than life. Your life certainly proves it.
This is great for me. It's a unique slant on moon in the 12th and I'm going to think about it in terms of the other planets.
The Moon in the twelfth suggests a loss of the mother either literally or psychologically, a difficulty accessing this aspect of the psyche that Moon represents, the feeling function
I think it also separates the child from the biological mother to free her in search of the archetype. Uranus figures in. I have a moon-Uranus opposition and I was also separated from my mother, not in a big way, but in many little ways. It's in the 9th, so she was always traveling and I really felt her absence.
I struggle with the feeling function. I often "think" I feel too much and that I should be more detached in the Uranian way. I was just planning a post on the subject This is a great addition.
But what would be the purpose of the separation? To grow emotionally in non-traditional ways perhaps? And by communing with the archetype maybe feeling more collective bonding and nurturing. To prevent copying the biological mother in exchange for your own creation?
The myth further suggests to me that the Kore's attachment to her mother, Demeter, is an impediment to her psychological health and/or growth.
I think that's universal and few get there. So the distant shore of the 12th house moon could increase the likelihood that advanced emotional development will happen. I think it nourishes artistic development too, as a way to express the mythological aspect.
Incredible story and what a pleasure to be able to connect it to myth and astology. I'm particularly intrigued by moon-Uranus contacts.
So. Persephone and Moon-Uranus could mean the evolutionary advancement of the feeling function taking it beyond the personal. Going into collective engagement is a step but maybe the ultimate is a merging beyond people altogether represented by the 12th.
"So. Persephone and Moon-Uranus could mean the evolutionary advancement of the feeling function taking it beyond the personal."
Yes, I think the idea of this configuration is that through contact with the archetypal dimension, the feeling can evolve toward a more universal center, to encompasses all human beings rather than biological family or people one is close to.
Just this minute I thought of an enlightened woman who was talking to a small child about the nature of love. She said if the child liked someone, she would want to give more to that person, whereas if she didn't like someone, she would not give or give less. Whereas love gives one the capacity to give to all equally. I agree that Uranus is there to liberate feeling in this context.
"Going into collective engagement is a step but maybe the ultimate is a merging beyond people altogether represented by the 12th."
I'd agree with this for the most part. The only thing I would change is I wouldn't say there's a "merging beyond people altogether." I tried to do that, but I was actually trying to avoid my humanity. One can't go beyond without accepting oneself or one's condition fully. It seems to me we are here to embody and give expression to the archetypal or spiritual reality, while retaining the human part as long as we're in this dimension in human form. Also, Jung talked about how a weak ego structure is taken over by the archetypal and then you get the person who thinks they're Jesus Christ. So a strong sense of self is necessary. It's a matter of balance.
Now when this larger awareness is not in play, then there can be tendency with Uranus Moon to disconnect from feeling, there's a coldness. More positively, a good aspect for a politician or someone who works with groups. Same thing with Uranus in the 7th house.
Thanks so much for the discussion.
Your welcome helena. You know my Sadge Moon-Joop never tires of mythology, religion, astrology, and philosophy. And all other subjects.
"One can't go beyond without accepting oneself or one's condition fully. It seems to me we are here to embody and give expression to the archetypal or spiritual reality, while retaining the human part as long as we're in this dimension in human form. Also, Jung talked about how a weak ego structure is taken over by the archetypal and then you get the person who thinks they're Jesus Christ. So a strong sense of self is necessary. It's a matter of balance."
That makes good sense. Otherwise, the earthly self would decohere, a plant without roots.
Unconditioned love and acceptance go together. The earth experience rounds out love and actualizes it.
It's sort of like having the wrong motive for astral projection, going out of the body to find the high energy versus bringing in the energy as in meditation.
Eventually, the plant matures into fullness and does send offshoots of itself into other existences.
"More positively, a good aspect for a politician or someone who works with groups."
In a way, the people ground him or her, as tending to plants grounds a gardener.
Good discussion.
"I think it also separates the child from the biological mother to free her in search of the archetype. Uranus figures in. ...But what would be the purpose of the separation? To grow emotionally in non-traditional ways perhaps? And by communing with the archetype maybe feeling more collective bonding and nurturing. To prevent copying the biological mother in exchange for your own creation?"
I think it could be like leaving one's childhood home and going out into the world on one's own.
It could be a manifestation of the spiritual capacity to discover and source one's energy from the infinite within and without, rather than expecting it only from one person or only in one way, a recognition of both immanence and trancendence.
kadimiros, I so appreciate your depth and wisdom.
You say: "That makes good sense. Otherwise, the earthly self would decohere, a plant without roots."
True. Another analogy that comes to mind is the meditator who while able to enter "samadhi" or superconscious states, is unable because of insufficient ego strength to bring back anything of the experience. Or, perhaps this is too esoteric an example.
Conversing here is like playing an instrument, playing one's note and then being treated to the voices of other members of an orchestra.
or like a particle in a quantum field?
Leo/Aquarius polarity. ha!
""You mean the Saturn in Leo as the alchemical placement?"
To continue with the alchemical symbolism here. Is Saturn analogous to lead and Leo to gold? Therefore, the whole process from beginning to end contained in this placement?
What also comes to mind with Saturn is the "retort" in alchemy wherein the substance is confined and subjected to intense heat. The fiery "calcinatio" stage of the process, which brings in the fire sign Leo. Add Pluto and it's an extraordinarily intense heat which burns away all dross uncovering, revealing the luminous essence within.
Saturn/Pluto in the 5th house, perhaps the significance being a luminous essence manifesting as what was it? it's coming to me "a brilliant creation of the universe." And, a creative expression with great depth (Saturn/Pluto) and lasting - rather than ephemeral - meaning.
Just a thought...
Well I love ego strength.
What a wonderful insight, helena. Lead to gold. You are so stimulating with your unusual perceptions, and it looks like kadimiros concurs.
The way you explain it makes me value the talent even more. I've always felt the power of that placement, but never heard it interpreted so specifically in alchemical terms. Perfect. The end result is just that. Ego strength as a result of being forged through the fires and purified. I love this concept. It also explains the lack of satisfaction until the expression equals the power written here and the essence desired. The force has been hard to contain and make useful, but that's part of the process probably as Saturn in Leo learns the lesson of will. The alchemical gold is worth the struggle and wait. Coming from Pisces into Aries rising is a journey from transcendence and dissolution to very concentrated ego expression, with firm walls and support, resistant to heat in the end. Interesting.
It's really funny. I can't tell if the "brilliant creation of the universe" is a compliment to me or to the universe! I guess equating the two is the joy.
My father died on the exact Uranus opposition and many other specifics have happened to teach me the importance of the conjunction, including Obama's planets on both, Hillary's Saturn(23), and Neptune opposite all of them now. So that's one way the political has been transformative for me. Also with Pluto transiting opposite my Uranus in Gemini and the collective connection.
I was thinking about Moon-Uranus as it relates to higher intelligence and it is intriguing. Uranus is brain and nerve wiring and I think when combined with the moon, the feeling body actually thinks, and vice versa, the high intelligence feels, making for a stellar intuitive intellectual skill. The ability to comprehend instinctive response.
I'm so impressed with this lead to gold thing and it will stay with me, especially in terms of using what can be a problematic Pluto to its best advantage. It's what really makes the difference I think. I've not seen it so much just with Saturn in Leo. and I also think that Pluto and Saturn can do magical things together, a good sign that the upcoming Pluto through Capricorn will be forging some major products. It will affect all Saturn Pluto placements in personal charts. And that means mine!! I feel like I'm just getting started.
Thank you so much for this insight. Excellent. Exquisite, actually.
"True. Another analogy that comes to mind is the meditator who while able to enter "samadhi" or superconscious states, is unable because of insufficient ego strength to bring back anything of the experience."
Hmm, that is rather interesting to think on!
I know that experience is unconscious if the brain waves dip into lower brain frequencies without some faster frequencies to carry the thread. The same could be true if there are insufficient "bridging" frequencies between a deeper level of consciousness and the normal thinking consciousness.
An advanced meditator once told me that a state of deep sleep is like cosmic consciousness -- except that we usually don't recall it. Some people claim that crystal gazing into a perfectly clear sphere is like that. Inclusions and veils somehow aid memory.
"Or, perhaps this is too esoteric an example."
We can always try breaking out the crayons. :-) The research relating to the "awakened mind pattern" studied by some psychologists offers insights on the flow of information between levels of consciousness. Imagination, creativity and insight are a step or two away from outer awareness and, as it turns out, mental bottlenecks or blockages have easily grasped visual analogues when the frequencies in the two brain hemispheres are diagrammed about a vertical axis.
"The awakened mind is also the 'ah-ha,' appearing at the exact instant of solving the problem, or getting the insight."
An interesting example is that of a learning-disabled girl with attention-deficit disorder. Her parents refused to let her listen to her favorite rock music -- The Grateful Dead -- while she was doing homework. However, her therapist discovered that the girl was correct that the music helped her. Her brainwaves needed more of the linear range of thought processes, and the rock music gave her the boost she needed in that range. She naturally had enough of the other ranges. No Mozart for her, thank you!
Well, now I must reflect on my personal choice of music while working, ha ha!
kadimiros, this "flow of information between levels of consciousness" is very interesting. This and the story of the learning-disabled young girl. She knew intuitively what kind of music she needed to listen to.
I once wrote an article that touches on music, specific keys, which evidently facilitate the "flow of information between levels of consciousness. It's called the "tritone" or F, F sharp, and G. Here's the relevant passage from "Nada Brahma, the World is Sound: Music and the Landscape of Consciousness:"
"...the mysterious tritone, the 'diabolus in musica: the augmented fourth or diminished fifth, which is neither consonant nor clearly dissonant, and which in the microcosm produces exactly the same 'touch of freedom' as in music--for instance, in bebop. There, it is often felt as a 'jumping' fifth; and in the division of the cell nucleus, too, it has a 'jumping' function. The energy necessary for the jump comes from incoming photons which, as we shall see below, are the 'carriers of communication.' The 'blessing of the photons,' as Kruger put it, comes down 'pentecostally in large swarms mainly on the tonal region of the tritone,' on F, F sharp and G; and it does so particularly intensely briefly before mitosis (the cell division) when two identical nuclei with identical genetic information are formed. In this process, as in countless other microcosmic processes that Kruger has analyzed carefully, the 'flatted fifth' (as jazz musicians call it) still is what it was for the alchemists: the 'quinta essentia,' the quintessence. Being open to all sides, it is 'seesaw' and 'swing,' creating freedom and paths into new life."
In astrological terms, the tritone sounds a lot like Uranus.
A useful thing to do when you know you're having a significant transit coming up or to facilitate the expression of a planet's energy is to listen to the kind of music that carries the vibration of the planets in aspect.
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