Friday, March 23, 2007

South Node in Virgo or the Sixth House

The South Node in Virgo brings excessive attention to order and detail, and an attempt to analyze, explain, and control every facet of experience. The finite vision and pattern breakup are now giving way to broad perspective, even a chaotic jumble at times, and the ability to let go and let circumstance unfold. Precise rationalization is no longer necessary, as poetic simplicity develops and flourishes, and a merging with mystical experience takes the lead.

Cleanliness, purity, and order. These SNs often find the constant maintenance and repair of daily life annoying, distracting, and burdensome. While the ancient mind remembers these tasks as being meditative, this time around, they interfere with the spiritual journey they desire. Spots are everywhere, but erasing them offers no lasting satisfaction. Keeping it clean and tidy is growing more and more nonsensical. Everything in its place, labeled, and glued down has become much less pleasurable, as the effort expended to keep it all under control could be used for other purposes, knowing it will all fall apart anyway.
The purity of the body is becoming less important, a perfect illustration being my SN Virgo friend, who cooked her strict vegetarian meals with a cigarette always dangling from her mouth. It made complete sense to her, as the mixed up character of existence was becoming clear, with its innate ability to process impurity successfully without extra effort.


Overanalysis. Virgo rules the process of digestion; breaking things down to their essential elements to be absorbed and utilized. Sometimes SNs overdo this process, feeling trapped, and unable to move on to other concepts and activities with ease. They lack trust in the natural ability to break down compounds without their constant surveillance. Once they enjoyed taking things apart and putting them back together, but now they feel a growing urge to let it all remain whole or as is. The compulsion to understand and explain every little detail is ready to be abandoned. Answers that once came easily now have disappeared, bringing the knowledge that nothing can really be figured out. The puzzle remains. The whole now contains the essence rather than the tiniest part.

Anxiety and worry. A nervous irritability afflicts the Virgo SNs and no amount of physical effort seems to ameliorate it. While control of the material plane used to work wonders, the inability to let things take a course of their own has become an impediment. Precise action has turned to fidgeting and fussing with details to no avail. It's still not right, and the fear that things will never be right can prevail, thereby causing them to miss the value of the moment they're in.


Perfection and fault-finding. Where once critical analysis, and the movement toward physical perfection were great aids in their lives, they now threaten to ruin the joy of experience. The eye keeps traveling to the flaw, to the sacrifice of the overall grace and beauty in what they observe. Correction is desired but even that no longer works. Nitpicking creates a Gordian knot, while the unraveling waits in the wings.


Rigidity and routine. The stiffness of trying to stay in finite structures can cause many hardships for the Virgo SNs, as the body betrays their regimentation no matter how healthy their aims. A deep fear if disintegration keeps them attached to rituals that no longer keep body and mind together the way they would like. They cling to routines, but dramatic events always come along to cause major disruption. All they want is to return to the order, not always realizing that the chaos holds the real key to their happiness, and that a proper order will reappear by itself, once they let go of the need to impose it compulsively. Through the anxiety of the chaos comes real peace, as they find a new arrangement altogether. 


Job dissatisfaction. One of the hardest things to overcome is the expectation that the perfect job will appear, and that the daily grind will magically become joyous. Work for the Virgo SNs is often tedious and dull, lacking in spontaneity, and full of stale rituals. Sometimes they are overskilled, sometimes they think more skill is needed, and often the task of learning new skills looms ahead as a chore they would like to avoid. These precision machinists have become master craftspeople, ready to loosen up and flow into inspired creative actions with all their mistakes and impossibilities. The oft repeated phrase, "I don't have enough time for that. I have too much work to do", is the SN Virgo lament. They are often prisoners of their work routines waiting for the day freedom arrives, sweeping them away to an unstructured life.

Soma versus spirit. Preoccupation with the body and its problems can be a SN Virgo habit. They breakdown the system into parts, as one segment fixed leads to another one coming apart. The psychological and spiritual roles in well-being are asking for attention, and even faith healing becomes a possibility. Attachment to form wants release in a recognition of the immaterial. Less control of the physical, allowing breakdowns to find alternative paths to repair, is what they are moving toward. They once had the cure for everything, but now everything, itself, is the cure.


Shyness and retreat. Overwhelmed with the demands of relationship, these nodeholders frequently back away from the pleasures of interaction in which the call of duty is not the prime motivation. Compelled to be useful, they sometimes forget the nonsense we all love to share, and meaningless activities pursued just for the joy of togetherness. Repeated relations in a role of servitude make them wary of getting involved at times, with the excessive work required to maintain the connection. Sometimes others are absent from their plans, causing misunderstandings, along with the correctional attitude that can mar the fun. Oversensitivity to energy patterns, fearing the chaos of the combinations, can also overwhelm.

Fear of leisure. Many SN Virgos have a morbid fear of idleness. They are compelled to stay busy, and as soon as the body is at rest, it sees another area to attack, clean, repair, or organize. Inside lurks a mystic who can stare at the mountain for three hours, then turn to contemplating the ash tree for another four. A day without accomplishment is usually an impossibility, yet the sum total of all the achievements add up to little in the end. They could have been enjoying the tree all along, progressing to the other dimensions they are destined to reach.

Guilt, duty, service, and sacrifice. The hardest part of the SN Virgo path is the abandonment of the need to help others at all times. Selfless service leaves them shortchanged, as the humility does not alleviate feelings of guilt. The perfect person, good at all costs, isn't the ideal anymore. They've done their good deeds for many lifetimes and now the sacrifice has worn thin. Many stay in bad situations thinking they can turn them around, or believing the humility, maybe even abuse, will redeem them. They automatically help others and always will, with no effort. They see that the slack will immediately be picked up if they no longer stay bonded in slavery. The focus can now shift to other dimensions, broader pursuits, and a fluid expansion of self into the universe.


The Virgo SNs are taking their experience with serving others to a larger entity and dispersing their talents to humanity as a whole, where a world of unlimited imagination awaits them at the North Node in Pisces. One of the best.

116 Comments:

Anonymous jane said...

I don't have this SN but the Virgo/6 in my chart ~is~ being problematic for me at the moment so a lot of this is resonating with me...

Great coverage, once more, jm! Well done!

23/3/07 7:32 AM  
Anonymous jane said...

my SN Virgo friend, who cooked her strict vegetarian meals with a cigarette always dangling from her mouth.

I know such a person! Must go check her nodes!! :-D

23/3/07 7:35 AM  
Anonymous jane said...

laughing my head off: SN at 0 Virgo!!!

23/3/07 7:36 AM  
Anonymous jane said...

They are often prisoners of their work routines waiting for the day freedom arrives, sweeping them away to an unstructured life.

That is very much her too.

23/3/07 7:40 AM  
Anonymous jane said...

Preoccupation with the body and its problems can be a SN Virgo habit.

Extremely her.

A day without accomplishment is usually an impossibility, yet the sum total of all the achievements add up to little in the end.

Again: very much her.

The Virgo SNs are taking their experience with serving others to a larger entity and dispering their talents to humanity as a whole, where a world of unlimited imagination awaits them at the North Node in Pisces.

She's on the verge of this. At the door of. In the process of crossing this threshold...

23/3/07 7:48 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Jane, just passing through for a moment, but this is fantastic. Thank you so much! Amazing!

And you also found my typo!

I want to hear all about her. The longing for an unstructured life is universal, I've found with this node.

23/3/07 7:53 AM  
Anonymous jane said...

The timing of it... in her case... coincides with the 'empty nest syndrome'... her youngest child finally having left home...

23/3/07 7:56 AM  
Anonymous jane said...

Strong Aquarius and Gemini

23/3/07 7:59 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

South Node Virgo, recognize her i do, my SN Virgo, 7th house.

Vacations???

Over the years i have modulated some of the tendencies...
Used the Virgo SN to get me through a lot, handy for med school...caring for my disabled brother.

Vegetarian, yep, since i was a kid. Mostly i don't cook, hate regimentation, i am notorious for my scraps of paper, inspiration jotted down. I lose them, i have a very developed "finder" sense through necessity!
I still love clean, but now it is serene that i love. I poured coloured cement tiles for my floors a good sweep once in a while and done. No more carpets to keep.

Cats, kids and gardening have cured me of a lot.

OK so my life pretty much is a vacation.

I'd like to know how a Virgo ever got to smoking in the first place? hmmm?

23/3/07 8:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I ran across your blog while surfing astrology blogs and I'm sitting here with my mouth hanging open now! SN in Virgo in the 3rd! Yep! That's me!!! Especially the part about job satisfaction and the serving of others. However, I HAVE been known to sit and contemplate the trees and mountains for hours at a time, so I guess I've integrated that part of the SN well. :) ~October

23/3/07 9:57 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Vegetarian, yep, since i was a kid.

I didn't know that!

Anon. Welcome and thank you for the input! I'm still fascinated with the nodes and love these stories. The contemplation part is important. A good one to get past. Many many I know can't sit and do nothing. I'm impressed!

23/3/07 3:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OK so my life pretty much is a vacation.

Perfect.

I'd like to know how a Virgo ever got to smoking in the first place? hmmm?

I know many who do, but there are always mitigating factors. Very often when a sign is not functioning well, the person will do the opposite. So out of wack Virgos can go to self immolation in Pisces. Some Virgos I know are the biggest slobs on earth.

But most of them are helpful no matter what, and I've seen them to be the best at helping people process their problems.

The vegetarian Virgo also had Saturn there causing big problems, and three planets in Taurus. Many Tauruses smoke.

But the main thing is that the lesson of Pisces is that the smoke really doesn't matter at that point. It's just the body! They are elsewhere. Lots of Pisces in the character deals with poisons differently. What the body takes in is unimportant to many. It's all atoms.

23/3/07 3:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So the vote to end the war came on the heels of the 28 eclipse (where the war started), and the first degree of Aries.

Pretty good timing, I'd say.
And what this says about Aries and our Mars retro progression is encouraging.

With Hel there, too, it looks like a new place...and, of course, time.

23/3/07 4:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I usually avoid hocus pocus, but this node coming up right after the eclipse and with the vote today is very auspicious.

As you know the transiting Virgo/Pisces nodes are here now, and I've always felt good about this, partly because of the Uranus conjunction with the Pisces North, the mutual reception, and the Saturn-Neptune opposition. It just looked like a good setup.

The washing away in Pisces is happening, and just as the nodes go into Leo/Aquarius, Saturn will go into Virgo, unimpeded, to start the repair process in this country. I also like this. That the SN will be gone. After that, the all-important USA Saturn in Libra return.

Just as I figured, we are headed into serious debate in this country, and you can see the signs now as the politicians are taking some resonsibility and battling it out among themselves. As bad as they are, I get the feeling they are recognizing some consequences, in preparation for the Pluto in Capricorn transit.

I think there are some big changes coming in mood and tone. The NN in Aquarius next looks mighty good, although the USA is getting the return to her SN in Aquarius, then on to her Moon.

This looks interesting.

23/3/07 4:39 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

How does a Saturn return affect a country vs a person?

23/3/07 5:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I mean, welcome october.:)

23/3/07 5:20 PM  
Blogger jm said...

How does a Saturn return affect a country vs a person?

I think of the country as a person really. Some astrologers have an entirely different way of reading these things, but I've had success just sticking to basics. It all comes out equal in the end.

The USA, for example, has Saturn in Libra in the 10th, the house of public image and reputation. Maybe some read the 10th differently for a country.
But to me, this speaks of a civilized, just, and cooperative public persona. I think this has been the case, regardless of the hidden behaviors.

It seems that some of these nefarious goings-on have reached the light of day, and now the Saturn return, after the Virgo repair, should re-establish some of this image.

What is especially interesting is the Mars progression in Libra. Mars normally moves fast, but as it turns retrograde now, the movement slows to a crawl. The Saturn will be joining this slow working Mars, so I think a significant new development is in the works for this country regarding this 10th house reputation.
Interesting as a prelude, how tarnished the image is now.

23/3/07 5:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Another thing to put in the pipe is this.

This all important Mars is also the ruler of the USA 4th house.
This is the foundation of our country.
The pioneering characteristic... independence, strength, etc., mixed with agressive settling of the Native American land.

There are plusses and minuses, but the inherent base of strength and courage can eventually be good for our destiny.

The progression is changing the use of our Mars, along with the Pluto opposition that just passed and now will be manifesting results.
The warrior base climbing to the diplomat's height, is the path, and you can see that now in the developing debates.

Soon Uranus will cross this Aries 4th house, adding who-knows-what? to the mix. A change in our foundation and a new use of our Mars.

One thing looks probable. Nancy Pelosi is the model, an Aries.
The country was influenced by women on the frontier who had to go it alone when their husbands died, which was frequently. I believe this strong woman is re-emerging and will provide leadership in the coming years.

23/3/07 5:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Here's the article on Pelosi's rise and why it is so significant coupled with today's vote, timed as it is.

Ain't I A Woman

23/3/07 6:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Lest we not forget: Pluto at 28d 56.9'. A fraction of a minute from the 57.9 turnaround for the last visit to the Center.

This is beyond excitement. Something deep.

23/3/07 7:43 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ja indeed jm,
Hel was 3Gem22 conjucnt North Node 1Gem22 in the third house in the Iraq war chart. It would seem she has a lot to say about fate ~ completion.

23/3/07 7:54 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Dang, jm the bottom of your link to the Ain't i a woman has been "crap flooded"
Might want to do some housecleaning there says the Virgo SN....these people make me nutz. They used to hit my site a lot...sigh.

23/3/07 8:00 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

I included that article on my journal and got some snarky comments in response, as I recall.

23/3/07 8:15 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Pluto 19 Sag 57 the highest point in the war chart is also very significant. The namnsdag for that point= Alexander -Al Lexi Ander one lesson of the spirit. The point where we let go of the past, pause, review, set the course for the future. Jupiter there now, a big dance...

23/3/07 8:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Thanks, tseka. I'll get right on it. Hmmmmm. Woman be wise.

23/3/07 8:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG!!!!!!!!

You're right. Jupiter there. Bush's SN.

This is amazing. I just got home and here this is, perfectly timed again.

A lot is coursing through me right now and I'm in the mood to follow it.

23/3/07 8:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That is so good, about Alexander.

There is a feeling of loss and emptiness in the air tonight which is a good sign that the end is real. We are in a void. An in-between. The most important spots of all.

23/3/07 8:21 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Yep on Ullr's bridge which we spoke of so much earlier. Hel's home. Well, well. Jupiter and Saturn who deflect so much in the solar system that could harm Earth have been big players in this drama. On a metaphysical level this is pretty tantalizing stuff. And as you point out Uranus with the NN now closing it all down, or perhaps actually setting the Aquarian tone for the next...my preferred scenario.

23/3/07 8:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Tseka, are you sitting down?

The vote today had the Moon about 5 or so Gemini Mountain Time.

23/3/07 8:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Jupiter and Saturn who deflect so much in the solar system that could harm Earth have been big players in this drama.

Great great reminder.
I agree. And the crossing of paths by direction now says a lot. This is really good. The deflection.

I feel it, and that's the key.

23/3/07 8:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Uranus with the NN now closing it all down, or perhaps actually setting the Aquarian tone for the next...my preferred scenario.

No doubt. The mutual reception has been powerful, as the Aquarian collective has found a real outlet. Saturn.

There's the finale and then Uranus in Aries for the Aquarian beginning.

23/3/07 8:38 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Are you sitting down? #2

The chart for the vote is 12 degrees cancer. The USA Sun (13).

Sun in Aries intercepted in the 10th.

23/3/07 8:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Let's see if this goes in right.

Iraq vote. March 23, 2007.
12:40 PM
Washington, DC.

The vagaries are back!

23/3/07 9:00 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ja sitting down and just swallowed some liquorice.

There's the finale and then Uranus in Aries for the Aquarian beginning.

We hope, i am some troubled by Jupiter, and the new set up, a crusade could be bubbling among these dreamers of war. When Bush says he is a crusader doing God's work. I don't believe that he is kidding. I think he really means Crusader. Dominic died 8 Aug 1221 NN 1 gem28. Canonized 13 July 1234 Hel there at the 2 gem... The inquisition: the "new world order", the "final solution" with novel new methods of torture.

I'm hopeful with Nancy Pelosi. Women breaking the pattern that would satisfy the end of one and setting the course for the next.

23/3/07 9:27 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Sorry that was nn 1 gem 22 on 8 august 1221.
Did you know Dominic is also patron saint of Astronomers and the Dog star Sirius is under his dominion?

Why is this important? Perhaps it is not but the war is ancient and the battleground was laid long ago. We the US seem to be naive players in this game.

Dog star sirius, Lokibrenna = chaos.
loki / Hel chaos/ order.

23/3/07 9:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Dominic died 8 Aug 1221 NN 1 gem28. Canonized 13 July 1234 Hel there at the 2 gem...

Fantastic. This pretty much means the end of the cycle.

There won't be any crusading here. Pluto is finished for another 250 years, and this was the first cross of the USA ASC, establishing identity. We don't fit that type. Religious wars. Religious freedom is too ingrained in our country.

There is no way wars can increase with Mars going retrograde by progression. And the downturn in violence will probably continue.

The inquisition: the "new world order", the "final solution" with novel new methods of torture.

Naw. I think just more of the same.
We'll have the ususal horrors politically. They always go on. People do it on every level and until they evolve, we are in for pretty much more of the same.

The attempt at world domination has been going on forever and has failed miserably. It will continue in that vein. There isn't any magic upturn coming, nor will there be any increase in the usual terror and horror. Just the continuum. Health and sickness. On and on.

It's a broad living organism, the human race. Like the human body. All parts work together. We are too involved to see it, but no part will take over.

No one's in charge. That's for sure. It's bluff and always designed to scare the people. It's time we all stop this silliness.

23/3/07 9:41 PM  
Blogger jm said...

We the US seem to be naive players in this game.

I COMpletely agree with this. We are so young. But a little maturity is coming.

This is why I believe the USA is far far far from its position of power and leadership in the world. That's in the future. We've been pawns in the European game all along, but we will be getting some independence.

The Pluto across the ASC has to sink in. This country has good karma, but a way to go to gain experience. We've been suckered, but eventually we'll wise up.

23/3/07 9:45 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

It is only a guess that this is what some intend to pull out in their last ditch attempt - the old fear and control.

We see fragments of the attempt. And possibly a splintering of it now with Waxman and others at the council tables. One cannot deny our shameful behavior as a country with Abu Grahib, Guantanamo, extrodinary renditions.

I am banking on Mars rx with Saturn in Libra. Every one in my family has this and we are a get-along-together, get somethin' done kind a group.

Perhaps Jupiter will ask for fairness in Sag? I'm very curious about next Dec when Jup and Pluto meet.

23/3/07 9:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Why is this important? Perhaps it is not but the war is ancient and the battleground was laid long ago.

Tseka, it's very important. And this is fabulous information.

The war is indeed ancient. It goes back to the temples, the Jews and money, all of that. The Assyrians were about the worst of the bunch and these conflicts go deep and all the way back. They are still afraid of the Syrians. We have little to do with it. Our noses are actually quite clean.

We were suckered into this Iraq thing. They used our money and soldiers. I doubt we'll fall for it again soon. I hope not. We'll get our tails out of there, lucky we made it out as easily as we did.

The Middle East has been the crossroads of wealth from the beginning, and thus the conflict. Fate had it that the oil would be there too. The financial structure will be changing with Pluto in Capricorn, so we'll see.

The Islamic world is in revolution. Nothing can stop it. It will take its natural course. We have our own problems.

23/3/07 9:53 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

This is why I believe the USA is far far far from its position of power and leadership in the world. That's in the future. We've been pawns in the European game all along, but we will be getting some independence.

My point, absolutely agree.
Looking at the patterns we see them at the game.

23/3/07 9:55 PM  
Anonymous jane said...

~sets down a tray of cranberry muffins and pear juice~

~quietly exits~

23/3/07 9:56 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I would love to see someone new and fresh and completely unconnected to the European royalty. Both Bush and Kerry are...no choice there imo.

23/3/07 9:57 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm very curious about next Dec when Jup and Pluto meet.

Me too.

One cannot deny our shameful behavior as a country with Abu Grahib, Guantanamo, extrodinary renditions.

Very small in the big picture and it didn't work too well. Not our style. KGB will never work here.

We'll be suffering guilt for awhile, thankfully. That's the sign. We know full well it's wrong. These things used to be accepted by humanity.

It is only a guess that this is what some intend to pull out in their last ditch attempt - the old fear and control.

I don't think all of this will change much. All people use fear and control. It happens in every single family. We have to live with it for now.

At the same time, there is good sense in us, too, that makes the full control of the populace brief if it happens. Look at all the kings of the world. You can visit their graves.

23/3/07 10:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I would love to see someone new and fresh and completely unconnected to the European royalty. Both Bush and Kerry are...no choice there imo.

This will take time, but I think it's happening. As wealth gets redistributed in the world.

I thought Kerry would be the bridge, being connected to the old, but a foot ahead. Sagittarius and the crossing. In fact, I think he was.

On election day, Pluto will be back at 29 Sagittarius. This looks like part of the bridge to me.

23/3/07 10:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Jane!

Thanks for the muffins and juice. I love cranberries!

23/3/07 10:05 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I looked at Clarke as a possibility, although he is with them. But he is all Capricorn, some Aquarius, and could fit the time.

23/3/07 10:06 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ohh Jane, what a great sounding combo

I made bannana, nut, oatmeal muffins today. Soup too. Cold weather and probably the last of it, so took advantage, once it turns warm it's salad and more salad.

23/3/07 10:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There are cycles to living that can't really be defied. The youth of this country is something that has to evolve into adulthood.

It's impossible for me to look at the history of the world and astrological cycles, and not see the natural progression and evolution. So if we perish, I don't think it will be at the hands of humans taking over and destroying the human race. Nor aliens.

Civilizations have always failed because of a large variety of factors. And they need to fail when decayed.

This country is young and quite healthy, but a pox just passed. We will recover.

23/3/07 10:16 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I'm trending toward the progressive libertarians. Like Howard Dean. I would even look at Ron Paul. I'm in the mood for a stripped down approach. Basic constitution, rule of law, quit with the micro-managing of Human behaviors from legislature.

The council for morality was the precursor to the inquisition, did you know? That was the "new world order"

A real regurgitation of the past, it never sounded new, wonder why it sold so well?

23/3/07 10:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I made bannana, nut, oatmeal muffins today.

Now that sounds good. Even though I don't eat whole bananas, I do like them in baked goods.

once it turns warm it's salad and more salad.

It's salad forever for me. No wonder I was named the "Energizer Bunny!"

23/3/07 10:19 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Could be right JM. One thing, after a serious illness, the patient feels a surge of energy and happiness at surviving. Uranus and NN are looking mighty fine for that. I wouldn't at all be surprised if something wonderful transpires, maybe we should consult with Winston Moonbat, or possibly call in Vishinu.

23/3/07 10:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The council for morality was the precursor to the inquisition, did you know? That was the "new world order"

Good news. It didn't work too well this time. Even in the Middle East, which is now parting from the mullahs.

I'm trending toward the progressive libertarians

That is music to me!!!

I'm very much in agreement with some of the Libertarian philosophy. I'm an anarchist, and this is the closest.

I think the first step will be getting control out of Washington. This seems to be in the cards.
I'm against most legislation, but people can't govern themselves yet.
The only way we can learn is on the community level, where we have real vested interests and can "feel" the government we need.

It will only be as good as the people's participation. We've been like children wanting Daddy to take care of everything, but now Mommy is finally up there, too, and hopefully some of the youngsters will be growing up.

The young coming up with Pluto in capricorn might have a chance.

23/3/07 10:26 PM  
Blogger jm said...

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!
My sides again! Oooooweeee!

maybe we should consult with Winston Moonbat, or possibly call in Vishinu.

I love Vishinu. I'm so happy!

Tseka, I'm also happy to hear you talk about these things. I'm enthused about our future, and I do believe you're right about the "surge" after sickness.

Right now people are numb. The whole regime is in collapse and it's shocking. It's scary to go on to the new, no matter how bad the old was.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if something wonderful transpires

It can always happen on a personal basis. Guilt begone. We're good enough.

23/3/07 10:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Honestly. I was a little pulled down tonight to sense the loss among the people and the overall confusion, leadership and directionwise. This talk has lifted my spirits immensely. Thanks!

23/3/07 10:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This cranberry muffin is out of this world!
Speaking of wonderful things transpiring.

23/3/07 10:37 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Well, numb and knowing it, is better than numb and not knowing it, imo.

After the assassinations of the 60s we were numb and milling for the longest time. Perhaps we will get a grip now.

23/3/07 10:38 PM  
Blogger jm said...

One of the first things I would love to see, is the end of this extreme pitting of the people against the corporations. The world created them all together and rely on their existence at this point. Making them the enemy doesn't work. What we have to do is recognize the reality of the situation, realize how we support them and consume the products, and then come to a rational attempt at integrating ethics in the years coming up.

All the energy used to hate and fear can be captured, controlled, and put to use. This is my hope.

There's some pure logic in it all. And within that, some solutions.

23/3/07 10:43 PM  
Anonymous jane said...

You're welcome.

xoxo

23/3/07 10:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Well, numb and knowing it, is better than numb and not knowing it, imo.

After the assassinations of the 60s we were numb and milling for the longest time. Perhaps we will get a grip now.


Great comment. I think you've pinpointed it. That's why we didn't learn from Viet Nam. Too numb.

I do think this is changing with the new Town Hall we have. We are no longer passive as we were then. Of course, my family has always been active, but most of my compatriots just voted and forgot it.

I agree that the assassinations were a turning point, and it could be the numbness, like novocaine, is wearing off.

23/3/07 10:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

((((jane)))))

I don't cook, and tseka hates regimentation, so we need someone to take care of us! Moon in Cancer to the rescue!

23/3/07 10:49 PM  
Blogger jm said...

As I mentioned upthread, the Uranus crossing the USA Aries 4th house should be an awakening of inner strength and new action. Survival on a new level.

23/3/07 10:52 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

your analysis re corporations and our relationship to them is similar to mine. As i have mentioned previously, substituting eco-terror/ fear for religio-terror /fear is just a continuation of the same. Just other players make a profit.

We are stuck with an oil economy in this country for a little while. Meantime the Scandinavians have taken themselves off the Oil based economy, what do they know? My son and i speculate that they know that the next economy will be nuclear energy. What economic group does not have plutonium, uranium in quantity?

Ans:Europe.

Hmmmm. Now that is very, very interesting in terms of the oil economy and control of the ME isn't it?

Responsible living, what does Saturn have to say about that? In Virgo, i wager a fair amount.

Pluto in Cap? could be a new nuclear economy...what do you think?

23/3/07 11:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And you got me remembering, tseka.

I was in World History class when the announcement came about the assassination of JFK. My teacher, Mr. Koons, was a rabid conservative who tormented all of us with his views all year, every day. He freaked when the Beatles came out, and we had to go through his daily harangues.

I loved him. It didn't matter. He had life, spirit, humor, and was a great teacher. I looked forward to history class. But back then it was OK to be a Republican! And a Democrat. I was confident about my political standing.

When the announcement came, I'll never forget the look on his face. He then walked out of the room. I felt sorrow for everybody in the universe.

Maybe up ahead we can start to debate our views and stop threatening annihilation.

23/3/07 11:01 PM  
Blogger jm said...

substituting eco-terror/ fear for religio-terror /fear is just a continuation of the same. Just other players make a profit.

Absodamn!!!!!!!!

Meantime the Scandinavians have taken themselves off the Oil based economy, what do they know? My son and i speculate that they know that the next economy will be nuclear energy.

Isn't it Greenland that is entirely off fossil fuels?

I hadn't thought about nuclear, but that makes perfect sense.

And this is the perfect time to tell you about this fascinating news item in yesterday's paper.

The oil life in the car has just been changed from an oil change every 3,000 miles to 7,500 MILES!

The companies are now recommending this. I was stunned! Over half the oil sales gone. What in ?????

23/3/07 11:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And I think this is why we're seeing the dinosaurs desperate last grab. I say let' em have it and begone.

23/3/07 11:08 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Maybe up ahead we can start to debate our views and stop threatening annihilation.

I'll drink to that. Here's a toast with pear juice - To open debate without treats of annihilation.

OOOh respect i like that!

23/3/07 11:09 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Responsible living, what does Saturn have to say about that? In Virgo, i wager a fair amount.

Pluto in Cap? could be a new nuclear economy...what do you think?


There is no doubt that responsibility is coming.
Pluto being recently diminished could mean a use of the power this way, rather than bombs. Who's going to use them if they don't want to kill as much?

23/3/07 11:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm drinking my pear juice to respect!!!!

23/3/07 11:12 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Well thanks for the always wonderful conversation dear friend. Me an' Zam are off to dream. Heh Zam is already hard at work i see. Time for the can-opener to get with the program.

23/3/07 11:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You and that adorable mouse catching companion of the can opener. I love you. My hopes are high.

24/3/07 5:43 AM  
Blogger jm said...

As destiny would have it, I just happened to pick up a video in the library earlier this week, called the Clay Bird. I knew nothing about it.

I popped it in right after this conversation, and lo! It's a gorgeous art film made in Bangladesh, about the religious schism. Not just between Hindus and Muslims, but mainly between the mullahs, the sufis, and the modern day Muslims. And best of all, the free and solo mystics.

An incredible study of religion and politics, and unbelievably, perfectly mixed with art and the search for self. In keeping with what we're sensing here. The changes are unstoppable. A film like this couldn't have been made before. It won international acclaim and won at Cannes. Very serious stuff.

Made by Tareque Masud.

Makes me think twice about art, politics, and society.

24/3/07 5:45 AM  
Blogger jm said...

The actress in the lead role said that a personal trauma in her own life occurred right before the the film was made, and the part helped her through the experience. She had this to say about the woman character:

Her internal struggle and contradictions are constantly at work inside her to push her toward an end.
She evolves gradually.
Moving with the pace of time.
She has no outbursts.
She does not shout and yell.
She makes no effort to get what she desires but she gradually moves forward and in the end she holds her own.


One interesting effect was that there was a death partway through, but I knew immediately it was going to come. The lack of suspense changed the experience entirely from what I've known before. It was like a myth unfolding. A unique kind of sadness. A philosophical tone. Freedom was the end result.

24/3/07 5:46 AM  
Blogger jm said...

No wonder. This from an in depth interview with Tareque Masud.

I made that choice quite naturally. I am not sure why but I cannot watch a film with the slightest blood, I cannot see a film with violence. We tried to create a sense of violence without literally showing it. You get the audience to feel it rather than actually showing it. It is such a stereotype that in any movie that has to do with war you show too much. The other thing is that it was a conscious choice to make a gentle film - the gentleness is the core of the film, an appeal for tolerance, harmony and peace.
You cannot show it in a contradictory way by exposing violence.

There is another aspect of it: many films, if not all, made in Bangladesh to date on 1971 show in a more commercial, exploitative way, excessive violence, including rape. Such things have been shown so much. So 'Clay Bird' is in a sense almost a natural reaction to this tendency, it stands in opposition to this excessive showing of atrocities and violence. We thought that it is not necessary to replicate the same tendency.


The genocide committed by the Pakistan Army is a war-crime and that is very much expressed through the film and is condemned in the film too. That is important. We do not need to be graphic.

Insights into Islam

24/3/07 5:55 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Amazing synchronicity. Amazing comments from the actress and filmmaker.

24/3/07 7:59 AM  
Anonymous Joe said...

I hope I can find this film locally... thank you for sharing it!

24/3/07 12:00 PM  
Anonymous jane said...

From the interview (that you linked to):

The women who appear in the film as singers are not actresses but actually real singers. They are called 'Boyati' singers and are very popular. Unlike in the film where you see only three or four minutes of them singing, many of them sing for several hours at a stretch: frequently from 10:00pm to 6:00am, and much of the song is frequently improvised.

Wow! Fascinating!

24/3/07 12:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Amazing synchronicity.

Not surprising, considering us, but the content was stunning. Bigger than usual.

Great talk last night tseka. So much substance and feeling. This was such a fine finale. We are all connected. I think this is how change really comes.

Joe, It'll be easy to find.

Jane the music was integral and beautiful. The singers debate faith and religion. I've never seen anything like it. I, too, felt this part of the interview strongly!

I am especially heartened by what he has to say about gentleness and the natural antidote to the world's love of graphic pain. I am so glad there are artists doing this successfully. It reveals a need in people.

There was one scene where they slaughterd an animal. and as usual, I turned away, peeking to see if by some miracle they wouldn't show the knife cutting flesh. I was rewarded. Instead, the mother closed the shutter so the child wouldn't see. My friend as a child, was forced to help slaughter the pigs in the South, and it helped ruin his life.

When you see the movie, you'll see how serious it is, yet so beautiful, and singularly rhthmical, musical, and gentle. I, of course, wonder whether or not this is more effective in the sruggle to improve society. It was certainly a relief to me, as well as an education about the current situation.

I've been advocating this approach forever, and now I know why.

24/3/07 3:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The story is about rigid thinking and the dangers of blind application of religious rule, as well as the hatred of those who think differently.

When I got invoved after Bush came, I was horrified at the right wing venom, but equally disturbed by the moral superiority and hatred of the left. The worst part to me is the left's lack of recognition.

Moral superiority is a hard thing to control, but the destructive capacity is what we see now.

That's why, now at the end of Pluto in Sag, I'm doing everything I can to contribute to a development of reasonable debate in this country.

Everyone talks about democracy as if its inherently great. The cure-all. And if we just get rid of Bush, the corporations, big money, etc, we can go on to this democratic heaven with the people ruling.

It doesn't exactly work this way. There are flaws in all systems. Sometimes the majority can oppress the minority in a democracy, which is why they created the Supreme Court. To protect the minority. The hierarchy gets re-established by everyone.
So the real answer is an ability to absorb conflicting views, where neither group feels threatened. I guess we need a magician.

24/3/07 3:42 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Hmmm curiously Islam is a 17Virgo42 ASC.

Here's a "are you sitting down" for you...
1 Jupiter 29 Sag 07 (r).
2. Mars 21 pi 37 on the DSC hmmm
3. IC 17 sag 34
4. Sun 16 Gem 37 conj MC

It would seem transiting Pluto is hitting this chart pretty hard. Uranus + NN is on their Mars on the Descendant

**Their Pluto is at 1 degree Taurus, with Venus transiting and during yesterday's vote, moon coj their Hel at 21 Tau. in their 9th house. Maybe it really will be the end of the cycle of violence

24/3/07 8:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG. Yes. Fortunately I am sitting down. In my lilac robe.

The Virgo-Pisces blows my mind.

This experience has been heavy for me. I saw last night underlying all of the violence, the deep and real spiritual longing that's there in everyone, longing to emerge, and waiting until we evolve. The downturn in violence could be part of this.

I still think the Iraq situation is a cosmic global step.
All the Sag/Pisces in the chart is stunning. Could Islam be lading us to a new place spiritually?
The Catholic church has certainly lost its power.

24/3/07 8:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Jupiter 29. Amazing. How was this chart calculated. What event?

Yes. Pluto is transforming and it's so clear worldwide. That's why I feel the desire to step back and respect the difficult process.

The Clay Bird is really about the genuine liberation of a woman, as a symbol of the need in all of us.

during yesterday's vote, moon coj their Hel at 21 Tau. in their 9th house.

Stunning, tseka. Absolutely stunning. You are something.

24/3/07 8:57 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I don't know what is happening elsewhere, but I got the message with yesterday's vote, and it stopped me in my tracks. Most of the time, the most important events are overlooked by the collective, and the crap is watched obsessively. There is reason for this. I haven't noticed much attention paid to the significance of this, but that's probably a good sign.

What I'm grateful for is the opportunity to share my profound reaction with you. The smallest steps are the only ones, really, and it's always the few who notice.

It was uncanny how that movie appeared when it did in my life.

And this chart. Jeeeze.

24/3/07 9:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So the eclipse set off the Jupiter with Pluto there.

24/3/07 9:12 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Type this into your google bar and you will be amazed at what comes up.

birth of Islam astrology

There are multiple choices i went for the death of Mohammad 8 June 632, Medina Saudi Arabia. (12:00pm)

24/3/07 9:37 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

These are the patterns that fascinate me the long cycles that repeat, until as in homeopathy a similar but not same pattern stills the search for completion.

24/3/07 9:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG!

From Marjorie Orr.

In 623 AD the triple conjunction of Saturn, Uranus and spiritual Neptune in Virgo coincided with the birth of Islam and the start of the Islamic calendar. The 10th Century triple conjunction saw the collapse of the Chinese and European dynasties which had been established at the previous conjunction. In 1306 a quadruple conjunction in Scorpio (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune) oversaw the start of the European Renaissance, the end of the Crusades, and the founding of the Ottoman Empire.

Saturn-Neptune conjunction!

24/3/07 9:48 PM  
Blogger jm said...

similar but not same pattern stills the search for completion.

Ooooowweee.

Saturn, Neptune, and Uranus. All the players now.

24/3/07 9:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Very very very interesting.

The Saturn Neptune conjunction (three times a century) is traditionally associated with worker's rights and this particular conjunction coincided with many peasants revolts from Wat Tyler's in England in 1381, right up to the Russian Revolution in 1917, to Solidarity in Poland in 1989. They also point up "women's power." Saturn Neptune conjunctions reigned over the coronation of both Elisabeth 1 in 1558, and Elizabeth 11 in 1953, as well as "Benazir Bhutto becoming Prime Minister of Pakistan in 1989."

Sheesh. This is largely pelosi's doing, although Jack Murtha is a big part.
The liberation of Islamic women is happening more than most know. It's not in the news, but I've been reading about it in my paper.

24/3/07 9:55 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

"Benazir Bhutto becoming Prime Minister of Pakistan in 1989."

I had such hopes then, very high hopes and the world turned on a dime.

24/3/07 10:06 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

For me somehow the Sun at the top of the chart in Gemini suggested the tribal nature of the Islamic factions. The kings and princes, that are part and parcel of Islam with the Mullahs.

Not unlike the Catholic church and Europe.

24/3/07 10:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That's a good point about Gemini and the factions. It also explains the rich literary tradition.

The whole thing revolves around the politicizing of religion, which I guess started immediately, and is the point of this Pluto transit. The abuse of power in all the main religions. Hard to believe for some, but the Buddhists do it too. Even in Tibet when they were in control.
It's all wealth, so it seems to me, the answer would be to divide the resources equitably. That's what the ancient conflict has been about. I can't imagine how this could happen, but somehow I think that the tribal fighting is running its course.

The mullahs are in big trouble now, and I think the drama will unfold after we leave, and they are left with the decisions. Do they want to continue this tribal madness or not? Iraq has had this going on forever, which is why they had the dictator. I'm wondering if the people are gaining power as the leadership is in such dissaray. There are many intellectuals and progressives in the Muslim world. They have influence too.

It appears as though the transit has gotten Christianity under moderate control, and Islam is the big one. The conflict is really between the people who want peace, and their leaders.

I was in Afghanistan in 1967, and it was in the Bronze Age at best. It's changed dramatically since then, and I would imagine the violence now is part of the change. Chaos everywhere.

We're halfway through the NN in Pisces, so from here on out should be telling, as Pluto leaves.

24/3/07 10:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Saturn in leo is part of this feudal battle.

If this is the case, and all this Virgo is connected with Islam, then this could explain the obsession with purity, and the resistance to tribal mingling, among other extreme purification rituals. The SN is there, of course, and the Pisces is asking for oneness. When the nodes change, and Saturn goes into Virgo, it could get interesting.

I think they are devoid of leadership in general, as we are, so the chaos is unleashed. Part of why Hussein is gone. That triggered it. It would be interesting to look at his time of death, and also when he was deposed.

24/3/07 10:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The execution had the Moon in Taurus, on the Pluto.

It seems that the way these lords stay in power is largely by keeping the conflict going and the people weak. So the way to triumph is to learn to get along, despite their efforts and history.

Some of the empires were quite long lived, but that seems impossible now. Something has changed.

24/3/07 10:59 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Great, great analysis jm.

My son and i have been looking at this for several years, the tribal / nomadic aspects with the religions in the region all politicized. The Catholic and Hindu involvement. It would seem that the "council for morality" occurred in every religion. The art and higher consciousness lost or buried maybe. Neptune and Saturn. When Saturn goes into Virgo and Neptune remains in mutual reception to Uranus Pluto in Capricorn a lot could change in the balance of art / dogma in these great structures. NN in AQ SN in Leo suggests we'll be digging through our Karmic past in the very place that Saturn has just been looking for the foundation to walk to the Aquarian vision. Exposing a few egos in the process. What was it? Saturn in Leo the Kings will fall?

I am feeling hopeful for the first time in a while.

Remember my son's vision (somewhere around dec 2002)? 2006 everything burns (what's unnecessary is burnt away) 2007 some are confused - some are not. (a 9 year the end of a cycle) 2008 we begin again. It will be hard.

25/3/07 6:57 AM  
Anonymous Joe said...

I don't know enough to contribute but this is surely a fascinating disussion. :o)

25/3/07 1:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

everything burns (what's unnecessary is burnt away) 2007 some are confused - some are not. (a 9 year the end of a cycle) 2008 we begin again. It will be hard.

I do remember. Truly prophetic. I expected this looking at the Sagittarius-Pisces square all year, as a grand exit for Pluto. Pluto always takes us up a notch, but only perceptible to some. The burning is really happening now with all the fire, the water washing away the debris.

I agree with joe about this discussion and suddenly my interest is really piqued, along with some hope, like you tseka. Your son is so fascinating.

It would seem that the "council for morality" occurred in every religion. The art and higher consciousness lost or buried maybe. Neptune and Saturn.

Good point. I think the opposition is doing something major. Islam also has great artistic contributions. I think this could be why I feel the standstill right now as it gets ready to unfold.

The only way is for the individuals, all of us, to find real morality and act from desire on this, elimintating the need for imposed rule. A long way off, of course, but will come eventually. Some can lead.

Saturn in Leo the Kings will fall?

Yes.

I think Pluto in Capricorn and the Aquarian changes you mentioned are due, as a prelude to Pluto in Aquarius. Capricorn includes ethics and governemnet free of enough corruption so that it actually works.

I so appreciate this chance to discuss these things in an intelligent, rational, enlightened way. All very interesting and actually pertinenet to my life now.

wonderful.

25/3/07 3:57 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's no wonder with the Pluto station on your Sun in Sag, your son's Sun in Pisces, and my Uranus in Gemini. I have some thoughts on this I'll post later.

25/3/07 4:57 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Indeed and then there is that 19+ sag his Asc, my Merc. Pluto don't we know thee. On his Neptune now, been an interesting ride really tuned to this current episode of US/Iraq.

25/3/07 6:26 PM  
Blogger jm said...

19 Sag ASC!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!

This has been an unbelievable turn of events, this tuning in the the Iraq/US thing. No wonder, with my Uranus. But actually, with Jupiter at 19, where Pluto was when it started, this is also no wonder. I was drawn mercilessly into it then, with Pluto on my Jupiter. I went in kicking and screaming, but now I see the wisdom.

I felt an optimism tonight that is unusually potent. Even for me. The weekend's discussion is just beginning to sink in, and I will be going through the "dailies" to process the information and the significance. A post is probably fomenting.

25/3/07 7:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What I find fascinating is your son, who I connected with immediately all the way back. My father was a Pisces, and I know it well. The 19 Sag is my Moon/Joop. The 29 is what got my full attention, and I knew I was meeting an advanced soul.

What is so interesting is that I have a relationship with this young man from this incredible Uranian distance. I do so enjoy this type of thing. I listen to everything he has to say, and look forward to each installment. He is so so right about the burn.

25/3/07 7:08 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's not about the details, this vote and the SN in Virgo now. That will come later. It's about the timing and symbolism. Big ramifications here. The vote also conjoined Bush's cancer Sun, along with his SN. Probably more. I will look.

The great thing I feel we've done is to immediately recognize it, and relate it to ourselves and the big picture. Sagittarius is mostly about a cosmic connection, and when it is so apparent, it's an opportunity to leap ahead in learning.

25/3/07 8:22 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Yes jm very advanced soul, my teacher, i am blessed beyond what any one could ever imagine. I too understand the connection. Felt it instantly with you on AW. Tangible connections through this medium. Just the same with Kadimiros.
Are we not lucky to be alive in this moment with this medium?

Sometimes i think it is too back we cannot all crowd in on my porch with all the birds and cats.....what a time we'd have!

25/3/07 8:24 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

ummm too bad
does it show that i have been doing by taxes today????
heh
ick

25/3/07 8:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This brings to mind a subject of great interest to me. Your son with his setup has prophetic skill. Some see patterns and can see where they will lead. But to me, the deciding characteristic with real prophetic talent is the lack of fear. The real ones have that wisdom and know how to impart this information without scaring people. They know not to. This to me is the clue.

25/3/07 8:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I too understand the connection. Felt it instantly with you on AW. Tangible connections through this medium. Just the same with Kadimiros.
Are we not lucky to be alive in this moment with this medium?


I am in complete accord. That level of intellect mixed with metaphysical knowledge, and genuine concern. I was thinking about this all day, and specifically the participants you mentioned.

I, too, recognized you instantly.

Sometimes i think it is too bad we cannot all crowd in on my porch with all the birds and cats.....what a time we'd have!

It's far far far from over yet. In fact, it's just beginning. I feel a second life coming for me... traversing the universe like I once did. Physically.

25/3/07 8:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I have so many insights into what is happening right now in the middle of this Pluto station for us. I'm going to go with the deep breathing slow approach.

25/3/07 8:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Taxes. Yes. I'm cleaning up my archives. A real mundane task, but it will be a relief.

25/3/07 8:40 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Yes, patterns of the spirit some of us see them...this is an ability which flows back through the Swedish side, the "white thread in the ear" which connects to "all time" we have all known for generations that our children are our elders and vice versa. We have always been thankful to have each other.

A's NN in cancer is one of the Keys i believe...in his 7th.

25/3/07 8:41 PM  
Blogger jm said...

NN in Cancer. Oh oh oh. Anywhere near your Uranus? or my 25 Sun or 5 Mercury?

In the 7th. Handing over the batons. What good information this is. Maybe the fulfillment you find with him will allow you your freedom.

25/3/07 8:49 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Halfway between

It is the same nodal degrees as my younger brother only reversed signs and houses.
My brother died when the NN returned to his NN in Cap.... years later when the NN hit the SN my son was born. And the moon was at the last degree of Cap on the death day and it was there on the birth day.

We come in, we go out.

25/3/07 9:00 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Halfway =19+ cancer

25/3/07 9:01 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That is absolutely beyond words. Now you tell me. No wonder I love the nodes. Could they really be that much?
Oh my word.

25/3/07 9:09 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This explains his political understanding and your Capricorn 12th house figures in.

But the grace of this exchange, the cosmic dance, is what I live for. It's so right.

25/3/07 9:11 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

But the grace of this exchange, the cosmic dance, is what I live for. It's so right.

mmmmm, me too, patterns of the spirit, my quest, what i live for, it's so right, beautiful in it's design.

My son says, "Some things are yet cannot be"
I reply, "Some things are and cannot be yet"

25/3/07 9:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I rejoice.

The patterns have always been my comfort, knowing I'm a speck in this fabric, and as small as I am, I'm integral. I go in and out of perspective, of course, but these reminders, just the words, place me correctly once again.

So here I sit contemplating events with the wise ones, feeling goodness, and faced with the multitudes who compress, smash, and otherwise cloud the patterning. yet they are also part of the fabric.

Some things are and cannot be yet

That does say it well.

25/3/07 9:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Here at this crossraods, where I join society, I breathe deeply in the knowledge that my companions are ready.

I do have to face the reality, though, of being an Aries rising, meant to forge new paths and fully embrace my singularity. As much as a human can..:-)

I'll rest on the sunny rocks with my newfound friends.

25/3/07 9:35 PM  

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