Becoming an Adult
I wrote previously about John McCain's Saturn in Pisces and his disintegration and freedom from prison with Uranus conjunct in transit. This is a perfect lead-up to another important experience. His North Node in Capricorn, ruled by the newly reformed Saturn, is just about to receive Pluto at 1 degree.
So here's his problem. The South Node in Cancer is often stuck in childish dependency looking for a parent and meeting failure. He found that with his jailors, then a series of controllers led to George Bush, and now he's encountering the extreme of his parental attachment as Pluto closes in.
The SN often clings detrimentally to the past as evidenced by his prisoner of war obsession. But even more instrumental is his current campaign manager. This is the same man who smeared him to smithereens in 2000, humiliating him and leaving his family reeling. Yet now he's revisiting his painful experience, attempting to do the same thing to his opponent, the emotions misplaced. Going back doesn't work well for a Cancer SN. Thus he's unable to bring the other man down, further exacerbating his childish tantrums and lack of discipline. The opponent also has Venus conjunct the SN drawing him in more.
Enter Sarah Palin, not his choice, but you can't argue with destiny. She has the opposite nodes, North in Cancer, South in Capricorn - the bearer of systemic authority and brutality. He's been shoved into an empty corner, facing empty arenas on the campaign trail, and now is forced to remain tethered to his new abusive parent. Yet in her node is the knowledge the man seeks.
If McCain were engaging his NN, he would have taken charge of his whole organization, instead of fooling around in golf carts and partying letting others do the lead work. He would have selected his own running mate and he would have made it clear to everyone that he's the boss. He would have controlled his campaign and crafted a real message instead of the schoolyard approach of copying the smarter guy's. And he would have refrained from using the abusive emotional baggage of the negative ads that hurt him, not his opposition.
So why John McCain and Sarah Palin right now? This country is also scheduled to grow up when Pluto opposes her four planet stellium in Cancer. Could this be the preparation? Are we seeing in McCain the child that needs improvement as we leave George Bush, the epitome of childishness? Is Sarah reminding us of the need to grow up?
It all goes on underneath the surface as the vast subconscious absorbs reality and separates it from the daily drama. The financial shocks are settling in making people realize that they have a hard road ahead with families to care for through tough times. The possibility of maturing into adulthood is a good one now, whether John McCain wants to come along or not. A crash course in leadership is probably needed though, in case he does decide he wants to direct his country.
Illustration: Sophy Williams
posted by jm at 1:03 AM
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Yrs. truly a nnode Cap. at 5 degrees in the 8th, not quite conjunct my Sun/Merc. (I'm not sure what to make of all this, but I will say that nothing surprises me anymore.)
I can testify to the radiant grip of the past (happy childhood, hard adolescence, family money.) I'd say that (at least with Sun in Cap.) even letting go of the past does not make it go away. Rather it keeps up, like that comet tail one of your recent commentators mentioned. One's task then is to, somehow, evolve in light of one's traditions, an uneasy, incremental process, but I guess that's what the Saturn ruler is all about.
I think one of the tragedies of McCain is how a 72-year-old man can still appear so childish, in a snit only yesterday with a morning show hostess. I think that for commercial reasons the country's social psychology has long cultivated the ideal of the arrested adolescent. A grownup, for example, does not need to buy a new car every two years, or watch a lot of shallow and violent entertainments.
Certainly the apotheosis of the arrested adolescent is GW Bush, arrogant, petulant, defensive, a self-centered show-off still stuck, for all his vain effort, in his dad's shadow.
McCain, a nicer, more interesting person than GWB, is however not out of the woods. How exactly he missed growing up, given his experiences in the service, is a mystery, though I suspect dad issues. (My own dad, a decorated WW2 hero, had a tyrant for a father and also tended to react, when his emotions were tested, like a 16-year-old.) Whatever the case, with McCain the rest of us are at last presented with the example of the arrested adolescent getting old.
Walt Whitman, in his capacity as nurse to the wounded soldiers, mostly boys, who flooded Washington during the Civil War, remarked even then about what he considered a national epidemic of bad fathering. Whatever it is, it's been with us for a while.
-- jag
Jag how fascinating. You are good. Omg. NN-Sun-Merc in Capricorn. No wonder your mind works so well.
How fortunate you are to have this NN configuration. NN conjunctions to the Sun I believe are a special gift. A great inner confidence even if hard to access. I shared my life with a Saturn conjunct the South and it was hard. A troubled destiny.
One's task then is to, somehow, evolve in light of one's traditions, an uneasy, incremental process, but I guess that's what the Saturn ruler is all about.
It's really difficult even in increments to shake loose of the habitual grip of the South. The node itself isn't bad, it's the addictive quality and the feeling that you've been there, done that. So it's the absence of fulfillment. But in your case, it's nestled in a beautiful spot.
I think the incremental approach is the usual then sometimes with certain transits there can be a noticeable leap. I've experienced it that way. Slip-sliding back into the South is always a problem though, and many people have to repeat the lessons again. I've worked on it diligently and consciously and I think I'm getting results. Awareness alone helps. But then people have always seen me differently from how I experience myself. They say how incredibly independent I am doing exactly what I want, a NN1's dream come true. I still feel bound by approval needs, but maybe people act in accordance with the North more than they realize. McCain doesn't seem to be doing too well, however.
You are so right about the arrested adolescent getting old, which is where we'll be as a nation if we don't wise up now. Also the reason for the economic situation so the excess shopping gets curtailed. You are more than correct here ....
A grownup, for example, does not need to buy a new car every two years, or watch a lot of shallow and violent entertainments.
Boy howdy, hallelujah, and amen sister. And no amount of regulation and corporate failure will make a bit of difference until the people grapple with their childish immediate gratification desires. It looks like they'll have to shortly.
Very very interesting about your family history and how it relates to McCain and the nodes. Thank you much. The research dep't of my brain is in heaven.
a national epidemic of bad fathering. Whatever it is, it's been with us for a while.
Indeed. Founding Fathers not forgotten.
Hi JM, adored your style (neat presentation, pictures etc.) but foremeost your profound understanding of how the north nodes work.
Thats fundamental astrology, all to do with tradition from well before Herschel, etc. There was a time when 7 planets and no computers possibly gave better insights then what much of today's "beyond Saturn confusion" is obstructing.
All goes in cycles!
A sideline: take it as a chalenge,astrologically speaking, that apparently you wish Obama to be elected. I am not American (Swiss, neutral, even indifferent, and futhermore I retired in Brazil).
If my comments about using little planetary information, but more one's own intuition (seams to be your case), stimulates you to know more in this respect, go to what I posted in AstrologyMundo.wordpress.com in the last week or so.
It's not that I want to increase readership at that particular blog, but I am since many years fascinated by astrology and think that nowhere else in today's world there are such animating opportunities to learn and test our "science" then when there is election time in the U.S.A. or sometimes financial turbulance in the world. So its a happy moment for whom wants to know more. Let's take full advantage!
Once more congratulations for the neatness of your blog. I sometimes paint and also have Lua in Virgo, so you understand why...
Best Gian Paul
a national epidemic of bad fathering. Whatever it is, it's been with us for a while.
I can only echo jm's words. Yes, very much so. I have long suspected that missing, tyrannical or emotionally absent fathers are at the root of this country's problems. I've said this before but it bears repeating: every time there's a church service honoring mothers on Mothers' Day, almost everyone is warm, fuzzy and sentimental. But when it's Fathers' Day, that's mostly missing. Instead, I have witnessed quiet grieving and sadness and stillness during those services, because *everyone* is mourning that missing element on some level or other.
My experience is the opposite. My mother had the lion's share of the lunatic tendencies. My father was a fairly normal, stabilizing influence by comparison.
Both my parents were confused, tired, and old when I was growing up. They were spent. My mother's Catholic obsessions drained her of all vital energy. Hours on the phone with vampires. Her insistence of the holiness of that which, through a child's eyes, was clearly killing her, and her insistence that I believe, lead me to a deep resentment and distrust of all organized religions. I hated the priests, later the pastor and several of them were defrocked for molesting children. My mother became terminally ill when I was 16 and died the next year. My parents had already raised 7 children by the time I came along. I was born 9 years later. They always looked to the past, and acted like their work was done. I felt like a neglected afterthought, and I hated them both for it. I had constant fantasies of escaping to another household entirely or running away to some kind of alternate magic kingdom. I don't get sentimental thinking about mothers or fathers... or churches. I have a deep feeling of horror whenever I think of what the world would be like if the churches ruled it.
I should have included a comment on how broad my statements were, mpk, because as you noted, everyone's experience is different. Women don't have a monopoly on sweetness and light, and men haven't cornered the market on brutality and callousness.
For me, Pluto in Sag in my 7th destroyed any and all faith in all-too-human religious figures.
I think I've processed that time by now... the result is I don't feel sentimentality or nostalgia for childhood -the years at home. Nor do I look with special fondness on parents or parenting. I'm not resentful anymore, but neither am I sentimental. To me being a parent is just one of many life paths, and some people do it well and others not. I have no desire for it, and my wife is on the same page. My life vastly improved for the better once I left home after high school and really has only gotten better overall since then. I think my childhood is something I got to have after I was done being a child. All more or less integrated now.
The hard thing after leaving home for me was the real sense that there was nothing to return to. Homelessness. I literally hung out with homeless people a lot during my first few years after leaving home, even though that wasn't my economic reality. My wife is similar. Her family helped put her through school in LA, but they lived in Argentina and she only saw them a few times a year since she was 12 years old. Her family has nothing, and she is completely a different person from them in cultural identity. They now live in a tiny apartment in Taiwan. We are both people who had no family root to return to. I think most other people don't know what this is like. At first I had some desire to create a family in some sense of a traditional mold more as an act of compensation, but I found that it wasn't what I needed. My expectations were vastly different and at odds with most eligible people my age. In my late twenties, I finally found the joyful side of this arrangement: mega independence. No family expectations. Since that incredible burst of joy, I've had no desire to pro-create.
There was a time when 7 planets and no computers possibly gave better insights then what much of today's "beyond Saturn confusion" is obstructing.
OMG gian paul. This says it all. I am a champion of simplicity, and although I love all the modern developments, I find the clues to knowledge are not that complicated, and can be used effectively for character development, life improvement, and a good understanding of the world and daily events.
Thank you so much for this. I've gone nuts promoting my singular (so I thought) view and confidence that the nodes are an amazing gift of knowledge. The nodes are my crusade.
Will check out the site and report back. This is wonderful!
a national epidemic of bad fathering. Whatever it is, it's been with us for a while.
An echo chamber! Actually those are jag's words which I originally echoed! And you started it joe. I remember vividly your comment about the Father's day non-celebration.
I have long suspected that missing, tyrannical or emotionally absent fathers are at the root of this country's problems.
Women don't have a monopoly on sweetness and light, and men haven't cornered the market on brutality and callousness.
Joe, this is amazing. Isn't this what Palin is doing? And Obama? I wanted to go into this but I am a little hesitant. It's hard for women to face. I think men understand this a little bit more, but in order for women to make it in out there they have to understand this fully and be honest with themselves. I'm horrified sometimes when I read what the "goddesses" say in such violent terms about the so-called male world and how much better the female is. This is one of beloved subjects and maybe it's time. I think Palin is a good lesson.
Here we have the weak war hero, the pit bull, the gentle intellectual, and the caring down-home nurturer. Very interesting bunch and so much to learn.
OMG, mpk, OMG.
The hard thing after leaving home for me was the real sense that there was nothing to return to. Homelessness. I literally hung out with homeless people a lot during my first few years after leaving home, even though that wasn't my economic reality.
THAT IS THE NODE.
Even in a good home there is the sense of something big missing. It can even be worse with a good one because the person doesn't have a reason for the discomfort.
I think most other people don't know what this is like. At first I had some desire to create a family in some sense of a traditional mold more as an act of compensation, but I found that it wasn't what I needed.
The wisest wisest wisest thing possible. You are advanced. I always caution against having children with this node but, of course, people have to follow their own paths and learn in the best way. You really dodged the bullet on this one. The reward will come.
I finally found the joyful side of this arrangement: mega independence. No family expectations. Since that incredible burst of joy, I've had no desire to pro-create.
This also fits your NN1 and mine exactly. You are so connected to yourself, mpk.
I had the same experience. I wanted a nice little family early on and then I had the long successful relationship with my partner, where the nice little family was out of the question. I don't have the 7th house planets you do so I decided to remain solo after he died. And I knew it was right in it my cells. My understanding of the nodes made this decision easy. And you did it without, on the family desire!
However it happens, the SN in Cancer does best not expecting a picket-fence cozy home. It always has a trap door. Once that's known, the outside world has more to give them than they could have imagined.
mega independence.
I love it.
Take a look at John Mccain. 8+ homes??
Just to clarify the node discussion, mpk, you have NN Cap and SN Cancer? Or the other way around?
NN Cap and SN Cancer... that's it.
Oh my god in heaven!! Thank you so much gian paul. I didn't know this site and I'm linked and quoted in relation to the full moon in Pisces and the financial meltdown. I didn't see that parallel anywhere else. I will read it all and find your comments. This is fascinating.
Hurricane Ike was mentioned with this and here's one of my wild theories ... The hurricane came right after the Repub Convention and the insanity that followed, shocking the Republican establishment. I think many of them would like to return to the more reasonable Repub Party of the Eisenhower days and thus Ike and the chaos of Pisces and Uranus. McCain and his Saturn-Uranus transit in Pisces could be the trigger to change in the party.
Over many years now I have observed that at each close encounter of Mars/Jupiter (in the sky that is), the market turns — 2-3 weeks after the aspect, more or less. This time it was a square, exact on September 8th at 12 d. 30 Libra for Mars and 12 d. 30 of Capricorn for Jupiter. And on that same day the latter went DIRECT!
Interesting gp. How things pop out when we keep watching.
I have the same nodes, and much of what jm was saying is true of me as well, so I figured I'd better clarify for myself before I said anything else. :o)
jm wrote: It can even be worse with a good one because the person doesn't have a reason for the discomfort.
Bingo. I had a relatively good home environment, and was lucky enough to do some growing up in two natural places (a farm and the north woods) away from the city.
And certainly no traditional mold for me! ;o) My SO doesn't want kids, and while I have entertained the idea at times, I know it's not for me. It's slightly easier being in my demographic because it's not really expected of you, the way it is with straight couples, altho this is changing. Nevertheless, I see many of my age cohort pairing off and having kids, and some of them strike me as miserable. I get the feeling they only produced kids because it was expected of them.
The Cancer nodes you guys have could provide valuable informtion now for the country as she struggles to grow up. How 'bout the "housing" meltdown to begin with.
With this dilemma, the fear of being homeless is huge and I think that's percolating in the country now. The depression brought it "home" when Pluto was in Cancer and now with Pluto in Capricorn, the antidote will be available.
I also am starting to experience what you 2 know so well as Pluto in Cap comes into opposition to my Sun in Cancer in the 4th. Out of the house??? Help!!!!!!
I'm already losing interest in it. the decorating has stopped entirely. like in my half-done bathroom that might or might not ever get done.
Nevertheless, I see many of my age cohort pairing off and having kids, and some of them strike me as miserable. I get the feeling they only produced kids because it was expected of them.
Yes. And think how much this would help the whole situation if population growth slowed, not to mention better financial health in each individual life. I think this is extremely important and maybe the meltdown will influence family growth as the Cancer planets are opposed and restriction is the order of the day.
I was particularly irritated with the pregnancy insanity of the movie stars these last Jupiterian years, since people follow blindly. We'll see as the money tightens.
Children were needed for work ages ago and it's taking time to catch up and realize that they now are a financial drain rather than an asset.
Not to mention emotional and mental health of all concerned. When parents are stressed in any way, inevitably the kids are too.
I read an interesting philosophy that advises women who plan to have several children to space them out at least 3 years apart, to give her body time to recover for the next one. The adherents believe that the actual pregnancy depletes the body of energy, minerals, etc. and it needs time to rest and replenish before bearing again.
As someone who has been gardening and growing food for 15 years, I can see the sense in letting the ground lie fallow every few years and to replace what was taken out of the soil by whatever crop I grew.
This is one Cancer SN story.
A man who went to medical school and quickly rose to the top of his profession in a managerial position. This often happens and then comes the SN downfall.
He then got married and decided to build a family. That's when the trouble started. In vitro for the children and they came out damaged. His career went to hell. Divorce followed, and in the meantime he collected homes around the country. He now lives lonely in his million dollar mansion, with his career in shambles and another potential wife with her own children.
He can still have it though. He's relatively free at the moment and he has enough money to chuck the homes and go off to the Aries wilderness and develop his great photographic talent. NN in Aries in the 10th. He's meant to do his own thing and live life for himself. Do you think he will? He probably shouldn't get married again, but unfortunately, he has 5 Libra planets on his South Node in the 4th. Oh well. Maybe next lifetime.
It's the search for value turning up empty.
dot com: not there
houses: not there
Funny looking back, I fell for both of these, but still benefited. I lost money in the dotcom boom on stocks, but as a job it's been great for me. I bought a house during the boom, for which I probably overpaid I estimate by about 40-50K. But the financial commitment kept me focused in a way that I needed to grow up and buckle down in other ways. It forced me to learn how to manage my own finances.
I almost fell for health care, which surely is a bubble right now as well. No way it's worth 1K for me to get an ultra sound (the price paid by my insurance last year for a 10 minute scan by a machine).
I'm off the bubble tracks now, and onto my own, I hope for good. The value is now self contained.
The adherents believe that the actual pregnancy depletes the body of energy, minerals, etc. and it needs time to rest and replenish before bearing again.
It depletes life force. That's why so many female artists are childless I think.
As someone who has been gardening and growing food for 15 years, I can see the sense in letting the ground lie fallow every few years and to replace what was taken out of the soil by whatever crop I grew.
This has broad application.
The blow dealt to housing is really incredible. It's really called into question one of the basic foundations of the "American Dream". Maybe we're coming up with a new dream?
I'm off the bubble tracks now, and onto my own, I hope for good. The value is now self contained.
And next comes the Green Bubble. That's why the Pisces moon fits in and the chasing of financial rainbows.
The blow dealt to housing is really incredible. It's really called into question one of the basic foundations of the "American Dream". Maybe we're coming up with a new dream?
Omg mpk. I've had that article on my mind for some time now. It's coming. Back to the Pisces moon and the shattering of that dream. Obama keeps talking about it too as if there's a melancholy realization that the dream needs to be re-created in a new form.
Add this fascinating tidbit. The US has an Aries 4th house ruling home and foundation. Uranus is coming. Radical shake-up.
I wonder what the new dream could be?
I keep going back to the Depression but with Pluto in Cancer back then, the government was the parent that took care of everything. This time in Capricorn the parent might not be so generous. Responsibility is mentioned now and fiscal responsibility was always the Republican philosophy. That's why the political landscape could be interesting if the Repubs fix their party and the blend of philosophies comes into being.
Give us shelter. Heart and Hearth. This is our basic need and want. When the "hippies" poured into the cities in the late 60's seeking change/escape/new vision we found it. We lived in houses that we rented for a song-I'm not sure why-maybe people were fleeing to the suburbs. I'm not sure why the Universe provided us this easy place to be. I think it wanted to give us a lesson on how you could get along with hope and a vision. You moved in with people you did not know, coming from many backgrounds and stories-shared the rent and chores, got to know your new mates and community...community beyond belief..we made survival an art form. Get on your colors and run come see.. See all those empty houses out there. Gather yourselves and color up. I used to want to start a "hippie school" about all the things we learned and enjoyed doing/figuring out and how the "magic" played into getting it done. One thing I learned about the magic is that it cannot find you if you are shut up in your home/fears and old ideas. But it really will if you get out there and open your hand and heart. You will be so astoundingly surprised!
The American Dream, what is that these days? Yes, we need new dreams, new archetypes. There's a resonance of new ideas in play these days, despite current difficulties. I find this to be promising.
There are some that say the web is a divider, not a unifier. Are we exposed to more diverse viewpoints or do we seek common views and thus stagnation? The eternal optimist, I prefer to think it's a combination skewed to the former point of view. We seek places where we are comfortable, but such places properly chosen can expand and change us.
I know very little about astrology, although my awareness of it has grown beyond an ability to ignore. You've all helped me in this, here. So many things have brought me here. But it you, JM, and the conversation that you incite which draws me back. It's here that I feel at home, even though I never comment. The conversation, the ambience, the potential for future integration cannot be ignored. So much so, that I've recommended this blog to others I thought may find it a similar emotional sanctuary.
All of you, please keep the dialog alive. I believe there may be many like me who love to listen to what you have to say, even in our silence. Maybe, one day, I'll be brave enough to join in more often.
I hope you don't mind the rupture in the dialog, but you and all those who visit often need to know your value.
And, JM, here's a thought for your Pisces Moon and shattering of the dream thoughts--we are recreating it whether we want to or not. the web and blogs like this one are playing a part. I know the effect it's had on me--when I want to rail, I visit here and decompress. The result is usually compassion and calm.
Thank you.
One more thing, as JOLuna mentioned, maybe we need survival instincts to kick in before our sense of community truly expands. But, I've been hopeful despite our current overwhelming crises. Why? What's are the configurations for hope with change?
Wow! That's high praise, dear jm! See, you've really done a world of good-- just by being you. :o)
we made survival an art form.
Beautifully said. I was traveling in Asia at the time and the community sharing was something out of this world. All the travelers pooled their money and we were on a high in the Himalayas that even the mountains stopped and looked at. They blessed us, of course.
One thing I learned about the magic is that it cannot find you if you are shut up in your home/fears and old ideas.
Oooooooh joluna! Let 'em go!! Pluto at 29!
I haven't even got there yet joe. I can't wait. What a treasure chest of comments today. The stock market crashes and joy arises!
Omg, anon. Thank you so much. Your comment humbles me.
Maybe, one day, I'll be brave enough to join in more often.
Once is bravery enough. I know exactly what you are talking about. Believe it or not my evolution started in extreme timidity.
I hope you don't mind the rupture in the dialog, but you and all those who visit often need to know your value.
You cannot imagine the importance of this statement.
The hope and change is Pluto at 29 Sagittarius. Faith is really the lesson. You can see that so much right now as the stock market crashes and people are not afraid. Something just got unleashed as Pluto just went dierect and the full moon passed. Jupiter direct too.
There are those who like to ruin the party and talk about the dark future but that's not where we are right now. this is a moment of joy. The lesson of Sagittarius. I think it will continue until the election. An incredible moment to be savored.
The future is unimportant right now. I think one of the reasons people like it here is my propensity to be a NOWist. The crash is pointing this out. When money goes, spirit remains. The American spirit with Sagittarius rising is what's being awakened now.
There's a lot more about this Pluto crossing and the change that's arrived.
People feel at home with me because of my Sun in Cancer in the 4th and the ruling Moon conjunct Jupiter in Sagittarius in the 9th. The love everybody, care for all aspect. Sagittarius is the awakening to the family of man and you will see this love of people often. The gregariousness and comfort with humanity. Sagittarians are known to be the greatest rescuers of the zodiac.
I always have confidence that things work out right and disappointment doesn't faze me. Enthusiasm for life is separate from mundane reality. So I think this Pluto exist is leaving us with the treasure of faith if we feel good enough to take it.
The election is a reflection. We are being offered a gift and if we have faith in our goodness we'll take it. Thank you very much life. My hand is open.
I'm going to do a post on what this means in terms of the coming Pluto in Capricorn transit. For now, welcome to the Sagittarian religious experience. I've had it all my life. Throw away the money and let in the joy!!
People feel at home with me because of my Sun in Cancer
Maybe that's it--I'm an early Cancer rising.
Throw away the money and let in the joy!!
A new kind of freedom, perhaps.
Cancer rising! Omg. That's a big part of the story. I think we grow into our ascendants all our lives and hopefully mastery comes eventually. A learning process. That's why I've always found that the rising sign is especially attracted to people with the Sun positioned there. They are mentors. I have Aries rising and Aries provide a soul home even if I don't like them.
The cautiousness is so Cancer rising but once you come out of the shell, what you have to offer is the preciousness of sensitivity and feeling that no other sign can provide.
I have Aries rising and Aries provide a soul home even if I don't like them.
I have Aries on the cusp of my 11th house. Am I right to say that's the house of friendships? And with my only planet in Aries (although it is right before the cusp in the 10th), I'll take this to be a signal of future promising friendships here.
And with my only planet [Jupiter] in Aries (although it is right before the cusp in the 10th), I'll take this to be a signal of future promising friendships here.
Whoops, I forgot the name the planet, Jupiter.
Yes. The 11th is friendships based on common interests and goals, not like familial connections. So they tend to broaden us intellectually and connect us to humanity as a whole. Political idealism falls in this house as we congregate for the social good. Social services also fall in this house.
It's the house of the future and with Aries here, it indictates that the bravery you seek can be found in this arena, and Jupiter shows a healthy trust in whatever comes. It's also the house of "circumstances beyond our control" so Jupiter combined with this is wonderful. Your leadership talent and overall potential can be released in these high minded friendships and group associations. Uranus will be there soon and that's a perfect time to get out into the larger world and provide the comfort your Cancer asc is so good at. The feeling connection in the group. Your addition here today is a portent. Jupiter in Aries is great.
They're catching on.
"I think one of the reasons people like it here is my propensity to be a NOWist."
Yes...and your ability to ignite conversation amongst people that facilitates itself.
Life has been a see-saw lately (to be expected with my ASC at 26 degrees Sag).
I think I'm finally learning how to, in practical ways, apply the concept of being 'in the moment.'
For those of us suffering through hard times, it is sheer pleasure to accept that this moment is the one that's happening, and no other. Like I said, it was one thing to know it, and another to KNOW it.
Great conversation as always, folks!
It's of particular interest to me as I have 2 siblings with SN in Cancer...and it could be that they are both in the 11th House, but not entirely sure.
Our Dad has NN in Cancer. I think I've told you before, JM, about his wandering ways. He rose to the challenge of family life at the age of 46, when his first child was born (June 1972). He has since admitted he was depressed the first 10 years of marriage (3 kids followed the 1st).
Never got over his wandering ways. A treat to go to India with him then, during my first SR.
I must admit that to watch my siblings in perpetual childhood (moving back home again and again, failure with finances that parents help wiih, with what little resources they have) provokes...not bitterness, but a strange sense of bewilderment.
Don't you want to move on in life? I think. Then again I have SN Aries and Moon in Capricorn, so my experience has been entirely different. I left home at 16 and have been largely independent since then--although returning to the womb is a never-ending drea,if I'm honest (maybe that's 12th House Neptune).
Like I said, it was one thing to know it, and another to KNOW it.
Really. I think that's why I never took to prediction. I expect things to work out a certain way and act accordingly, but I know enough to allow for happenstance.:-) It's not in me to have a preconceived outcome that's against my wishes! So that's that. But I certainly don't argue with fate. Exact prediction has never interested me. My power urges lie elsewhere. Why would I want to know the future and take away the element of surprise? Plus the oppressive nature of it all. Not my nature.
Once I went to my father right before he died and said, "Dad. Let's go bowling right now. I'm going to bowl 134." Off we went and sure enough, I bowled 134. It was the greatest lesson in will I ever had and it was his legacy to me. So I prefer that to fate and prediction, especially after the Pluto transit to my Moon-Joop in the 9th. I used to be more fatalistic.
You describe the nodes so well chris.
to watch my siblings in perpetual childhood (moving back home again and again
Don't you want to move on in life? I think. Then again I have SN Aries and Moon in Capricorn, so my experience has been entirely different. I left home at 16 and have been largely independent since then.
I was caught between the two being Cancer with Aries asc and NN1 until life determined I move on. My safety net was demolished. Aries-Capricorn is the ultimate in self reliance and both me and my country have this coming.
Your father's SN in Capricorn kept him from the family fold where the NN in Cancer really wants to be. A lot could still be worked out with him. They really want nothing more than real intimacy and tribal belonging. SN Cap suffers in coldness and isolation until they come in.
For those of us suffering through hard times, it is sheer pleasure to accept that this moment is the one that's happening, and no other.
That's pretty much everyone, although I have suffered a tiny bit less since I've gotten closer to my NN. I think it's all a sequence and the moments of suffering lead to the inevitable moments of pleasure and none can be deleted. So I accept it. And take aspirin.
"They really want nothing more than real intimacy and tribal belonging"
I agree. In my dad's case, he left his homeland in his early twenties and never really went back. while in India together he started talking about his family and couldn't stop...he talked for 6 weeks. I'd never heard about them, really, and so it was sweet to hear about his idyllic childhood and kind family. Close.
However once we returned he fell into such grief about missing his parents, who'd died almost 40 years earlier he sought counselling (he was almost 79 at this point). The counsellor told him he had unresolved grief and so he had.
He has one surviving sibling and is in desperate need to maintain a relationship but alas...this brother is suffering his own depression following the death of his wife, my aunt, and so my dad's attempts to keep contact are largely ignored.
The strangest thing of all is that when my dad became depressed, all he could say to my mum was "there's no one left."
When asked what to make of this, considering he has 4 children, he said "I mean my real family."
I know we are loved, but he doesn't consider us his "family" and that is something I find very, very confounding.
Ooooh, chris. Sad.
There is something here and I'm trying to put my finger on it. His situation is classic Cap SN. The sibling is actually the closest as it is with all of us because we share the same DNA. He's hooking on to that impossibility maybe as a way to avoid the closeness with his children.
The alienation from his own children is peculiar, although sometimes I think most men feel this. The children seem to belong to the mother and the fathers feel left out. They certainly are left out of the initial bonding especially with breast feeding. Hormones are involved too. So many never form close bonds in real intimate ways and I've always felt sorry for men because of this. I think it's more painful than we realize.
But further investigation says this to me. Maybe the Cancer SNs of his children prevents the closeness he wants. Maybe he senses it. Senses the fact that they're always trying to leave. And then there's you with your fierce independence and Aries SN.
I do think, however, that you are the one who can reach him, especially as Pluto comes to your moon.
My father had a moon in Cancer and we loved each other but it wasn't until he was 84 that we found the closeness we were destined to share. It was brief but I'll treasure it forever. All the sweeter after the long wait.
Another thing that might be developing is intimacy in the face of hard times. People pull together when that happens. A look at values is ahead and when commodities are scarce, things like laughter, music, dance, and all things human become more important. Dance and music rose to its highest point in American history during the Depression.
There's no way of knowing yet what's going to happen economically but we're due for lessons about what's important and the value of good relationships. The US has Saturn in Libra and a packed 7th house. So maybe relationships within and without will be mended.
Keep in mind your NN in Libra through all of this.
Hi JM, your blog is "going strong" as the enviroment is getting quite uncomfortable - I sympathize with your concerns.
Gave a look at what I consider for years now to be the true horoscope of the U.S.A: July, 6 1775 11 AM (LMT) Philadelphia.
As I am writing, the Sun is approaching this chart's Moon (29-20 Virgo), activating emotions, you bet!
The NN is at 17 Aquarious, square this chart's Sun, at only 3 minutes, i.e. only one day's movement!
I am quite "neptunian" for having him exactly on my MC. Explains why I often sense aspects "when they happen". Can in this case not rationally explain why I looked up the transits of all this today, except that reading all the comments on your blog in the last 24 hours, i am trying to understand what's going on.
By November 13 the NN will transit by square Uranus of the U.S Chart, be square it's "part of Astrology" (I often use the Arab Parts). Is that the time of great suprise, which for some time only astrologers may be able to understand?
This chart of the USA has Venus in Leo (4-40) in house 11. Now where there is NN, (Jupiterian connotation) there is the SN as wel, opposite. And the SN moves in to close transit with Venus, in spring next year.
The SN having a Saturnian (restrictive) nature, one needs not to be a champion in imagination to extrapolate that that Venus in Leo may feel sad and being in house 11, many dreams (material) foremost, might be at the verge of non-realization!
Its not the first time this happens to you folks, but I take comfort as you Americans are a resiliant people, pioneer stock!
Last time when the NN was where it is today was mid December 1989. The Berlin wall had fallen, Bush (father, and Cheney, already then) where going to have to confront Saddam. Why the hell did they not terminate their job properly then?
But one does'nt argue with history, isn't it?
What's fact now is that the problems symbolized by the Berlin wall moved in my perception to Jerusalem. But that's quite another story...
Top of the day to you gian paul! Yes, it is getting a bit uncomfortable. The human squirm.
I'll take a close look at your chart in a bit. What you say about the Berlin wall is very interesting. I heard someone else mention that.
What's fact now is that the problems symbolized by the Berlin wall moved in my perception to Jerusalem. But that's quite another story...
This is very very interesting and I did a post on the subject when Obama spoke in Berlin immediately after leaving Israel, emphasizing walls. Then his prayer in the wall was stolen and released to the press. I got the same impression as you. Now leadership is shifting in Israel and a new game might be coming.
I believe the wall factor has a lot to do with Pluto in Capricorn and the redrawing of boundaries, perhaps after Uranus in Aries and the inevitable conflicts.
Wow JM, this is amazing:
his NN is at 9 degrees Cancer: my Moon is 9 degrees Capricorn.
His Mars is 16 degrees Scorpio, my Sun at 16 degrees Taurus...
His Neptune 26 degrees Leo, my ASC is 26 degrees Sagittarius
And his Libra Sun (27 degrees) and Venus (20 degrees) to my NN (24 degrees).
I am the child he is closest to, even more so since we travelled together. While he is frozen around his other children, he talks to me about how much he misses his siblings. Just one month my mum told me that she thinks I am to become the most important person in his life, more so than her.
Which is weird to write, but not to feel. But for some reason he tells me how he feels about spiritual things, philosophy, family (why I suspect him of being a Sag ASC like me).
This only began when I consciously engaged him in conversation, my other siblings treat him like a weird specimen they can't understand where as I simply listen and ask questions.
I think that I gave up expecting him to be a certain way helped our relationship a lot too. And I act nonchalant about aging while my other family members are quite hysterical when doing so.
Thanks for letting me talk about it. It's very strange to have a parent who is 51 years older than you, though I suspect not for long, as people want to have them older and older...
I find that crazy, by the way.
"I've always felt sorry for men because of this. I think it's more painful than we realize."
I have always thought this...and hurts me to even think about it. I think a lot of men wonder 'where they fit' especially soon after the birth of a child.
Whoops! That should've read:
His Mercury is 16 degrees Scorpio, and his Mars is at 16 degrees Taurus (my Sun is 16 degrees T).
Goosebumps on the numbers, chris. I can tell how very much you love him and I carried that with me today after the conversation last night. I'm glad you are talking about it because of how much I loved and miss my dad and how much I like to remember him.
My father had a NN in Sagittarius and the last time we were together we had numerous religious experiences. I think it was the first time he expressed it. There was a knowingness that surprised me and it lasted the whole time. The last thing he said to me in his life was "I think there is something out there."
Pluto will be at your Moon and his node so now is a good time to get started. I remember the first time you talked about him here and I knew it was big deal and also that it centered around the spiritual and philosophical things. People sometimes are really ready at the end of their lives. My SN-Saturn Sagittarius husband talked about it on his deathbed in between hallucinations and moments of normal brilliant clarity.
I'd bank on your galactic 26 ascendant.
It's interesting. Girls and their dads. Last night after you posted I watched a movie about an amazing woman named Evelyn Glennie. She's a master musician and she's deaf. She does it entirely by feel. It's a spine-tingling documentary, and in one part she talks about her father who was also a musician, but only played with her when the others were gone. I was so touched by her memories and how she thinks about him all the time since he died. They can be so lovable, those guys. Enjoy him while you can, despite his sorrow. your moon in Cap understands that anyway.
Thank you Jm. I will enjoy him. It brings me light thinking of you and your Dad too.
I love hearing stories about your relationships. Thanks for sharing them here! :)
I'm definitely going to watch that movie. Sounds right up my alley.
The movie is amazing. Good for all artists to see. It's called "Touch the Sound."
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