Friday, September 07, 2007

Doin' the Booga Booga!

Shake it up, shake it down, shake it all around
That man I want ain't nowhere to be found
Some say he's dead, some say he's alive
We'll just salt him out with the Booga Booga jive!
Doo wah, doo wah, booga booga blah
Doo wah, ditty wah, booga boooga bah
Got salt in my mouth, sand in my eye
Doin' the Booga Booga, the Booga Booga Jive
!
Credit to Joe and Osama Bin Laden
Illustration: S.D. Schindler

64 Comments:

Anonymous Joe said...

LOL! This was a great start to my day. :o)

7/9/07 5:16 AM  
Blogger Pat Paquette said...

Lookin' high, lookin' low, for that man with the beard
Daddy's friends can't find him, ain't that kinda weird...
He may be dead, but gotta keep him alive
Everybody dress up and do the Booga Booga jive.

7/9/07 11:31 AM  
Anonymous Joe said...

It just keeps getting better around here!

7/9/07 12:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Hahaha!!!

He may be dead, but gotta keep him alive

That was a good one joe!

All you suckers and you fools
If you want to survive
Get up and dance the Booga Booga jive!

7/9/07 2:04 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

OMG, now the news is claiming he's made a video urging Americans to convert to Islam if they want the war to end.

Just what's needed to whip the masses into a froth, esp. the fundamentalists. Here's hoping they see through the BS this time.

7/9/07 2:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh, btw, the reference above was to your idea, joe. Here's credit to pat's fine songwriting!

I think they see it. And you know, maybe it's a good thing these people are so obvious and uncreative. I just still wonder what I'm doing here. I can't believe people let them get by with all of this. I've seen it all my life. The mute factor.

7/9/07 2:21 PM  
Blogger Pat Paquette said...

So I guess we are supposed to trust the "government analysts" who tell us a) it's bin Laden; b) it was recorded recently; c) this is him talking and it's what he really said; and d) we translated it completely and accurately.

With all the high-tech video capabilities we have now, someone might well have created the whole thing, frame by frame. I'm not saying they did; only that the questions need to be asked.

7/9/07 2:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Well, we have until the beginning of January for Pluto to finish the work in Sagittarius. It should be intersting. Seems to me people have more facing them now than phony religion. Let me know how they deal with it.

urging Americans to convert to Islam if they want the war to end.

Actually there is some slight creativity in that one. Maybe it would work. The people can't seem to elect proper leaders. Convert to something!

7/9/07 2:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

With all the high-tech video capabilities we have now, someone might well have created the whole thing, frame by frame. I'm not saying they did

I'm saying they did! I wonder if underneath it all the people know the capability of technology and aren't buying. Yet something makes them go along with the show.

So I guess we are supposed to trust the "government analysts"

HA HA!!!

The more I think about this cornball world, the more this makes me feel safe. Just think of what they could be doing. It's as if we have the disease trapped, localized, and predictable. It's all something to do. The problem of mankind. Boredom.

They say governments have always underestimated the people, but I'm not so sure. They love the game apparently.

7/9/07 2:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Well at 29 Pisces it's like the flocks are milling around waiting for the Word to strike. They have video screens up everyhere providing entertainment until the messiah arrives and straightens this all out. The empires aren't empiring as well as the baseball ones, but would you believe it? They're discovering that baseball empires are prejudiced, so they're talking about video sensors at the plate!

Technology will save our sorry asses!!!

7/9/07 2:39 PM  
Blogger Pat Paquette said...

I just read the AP story, which was accompanied by a photo of bin Laden with a short, black beard! The writer says he obviously had to have dyed it. Oh, really?

This is so bizarre that I'm wondering whether it's some kind of prank. Or maybe a test to see how gullible the public really is.

And that's the best they could come up with, "convert to Islam?"

"Never, we say! We'll fight you to the bitter end, you evil-doers!"

7/9/07 3:09 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL!!!! I was just reading the paper at the exact same time! Blackbeard himself.

It does seem like a taunt. This is the 9/11 party revving up. It's become hackneyed. There is something odd about the black beard though.

I have no idea what humanity is trying to do. It's always been lidicrous to me, psychotic really. I can't believe creatures who have gone to outer space and invented what they have can behave this way. If someone could help me figure it out, I'd appreciate it. Aren't they embarrassed?

7/9/07 3:23 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Oh my, Madeleine L'Engle is dead at 88. She wrote A Wrinkle In Time which touched on quantum physics, back in 1963 when such a thing was unheard of outside scientific circles.

7/9/07 3:24 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

As a matter of fact, dyeing one's hair contravenes Islamic teaching. Henna, yes, "Grecian Formula," no.

7/9/07 3:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The buffoonery of it all. 9/11 becoming a cheap circus act. I'm torn between horror at the behavior of this human group and relief that they are so out of control, so obvious and so blissfully infantile and unaware.

If the world is Maya/illusion then they are actually doing quite well. Thank god I don't have to pay for a ticket.

The problem is how not to identify with any of it. But how can that really be accomplished when we are all part of it?

7/9/07 3:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I adore madeleine L'Engle. Looks like she had a good life.

As a matter of fact, dyeing one's hair contravenes Islamic teaching. Henna, yes, "Grecian Formula," no.

LOL!!! This is fascinating joe. Is anyone going to call it? OMG. Wrinkle in Time, indeed.

7/9/07 3:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG, really. It IS psychotic. At least I can rest assured that I saw it accurately.

7/9/07 3:35 PM  
Blogger Pat Paquette said...

Joe, that was fascinating about hair dye and Islam so I googled it. Apparently it is OK and even recommended under some circumstances.

I used keywords hair, dye, Islam, and came up with several hits. I read through a few, and they all seem to be consistent. Here's one:

Is it OK to cover gray hair?

Praise to Allah.

7/9/07 3:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

May Allah bless you and me as well! My question is: I am 45 years old and my hair is almost gray compared to the other people of my age. Is it haram to dye my hair? If I can dye it black, can I use the artificial dye materials, which are available in the market? I hope to receive your reply soon. Jazakum Allah Khayran.

Dear brother in Islam, we appreciate the great confidence you have in us, and we implore Allah to help us serve the cause of Islam and to render this work for His Sake.

Hard to figure out exactly what Allah wants. Very very complicated. Maybe everyone should get God's permission when applying dye to the hair.

Well, that's better than blowing up buildings and people. They apparently forgot to ask Allah about those details.

7/9/07 4:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Wait a minute...

Allah Almighty knows best.

When you look at it, the name is quite beautiful.

"All" "ah". Nice.

7/9/07 4:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This is amazing. Why are people so afraid? What in the world makes them think that the almighty god is concerned with what hair product is used? How did this happen? What is it in the human that makes him so timid and afraid of punishment?
Government=GOD.

It's in the chip to perceive a supreme entity, yet also in the chip is the anthropomorphizing, which has been taken to the extreme. I could be god according to all of this. I recommend Clairol.

7/9/07 4:29 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Good questions all. One thing that really turns me off is that hyper-religiosity exemplified by the endless recitations of scripture and ritualistic behaviors whose origins have become lost over time. I view them as a personal ideological quirk by some leader or other, that later became codified into absolute law, so that one must never mix fabrics, never eat certain things, or must always say a certain phrase or else God/Jehovah/Allah will be angry. It's childish, IMO.

BTW, the name Allah has an interesting relationship with Jehovah. From Wikipedia:

* Allah is the Arabic name for God,[6] which is used by Muslims and also by most non-Muslim Arabs. It is derived from the word ilah, a cognate of the northwest Semitic El (Hebrew "El", dual form "Eloah", Aramaic אלהא "Elâhâ"), which, like el, eloah and elaha, is the generic word for a god (any deity). As Allah contains the Arabic definite article "Al", "Allah" means the God. When speaking in English, Muslims often translate "Allah" as "God".

This leads me to think that all this bullshit going on in the Middle East is nothing but tribal warfare taken to ridiculous extremes.

7/9/07 6:25 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Excuse me, I meant "...an interesting relationship with one of the names for Jehovah as the Hebrew God."

7/9/07 6:27 PM  
Blogger Pat Paquette said...

This leads me to think that all this bullshit going on in the Middle East is nothing but tribal warfare taken to ridiculous extremes.

As all conquerers know, it's easy to take over a land where the people are fighting among themselves.

7/9/07 7:06 PM  
Blogger Pat Paquette said...

As for the religious extremes, fundamentalists are fundamentalists, no matter what their religion is. They turn essentially good teachings on their head and pervert them, so that killing in the name of Jesus or Allah merits sainthood. Humans have been perverting religion for at least 4,000 years -- one of the great unsolved mysteries fo all time.

7/9/07 7:12 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

Nobody I know even discusses this stuff anymore. If it does happen to get mentioned people typically just shrug and roll their eyes or it's the subject of a joke. Then again, I spend most of my time in the bubble of Bay Area, CA. There are probably (unfortunately) millions of people still tuned in as though it were really important information. Half jokingly, I wonder if there will be one day again be two races of humans as supposedly there were once Cro-Magnon and Neanderthals as contemporaries -until the Neanderthals eventually went extinct.

7/9/07 7:45 PM  
Blogger jm said...

so that one must never mix fabrics

God frikkin' forbid!

Humans have been perverting religion for at least 4,000 years --

Along with just about everything else.

There are probably (unfortunately) millions of people still tuned in as though it were really important information.

What really is important information? I might have to go with my own favorite biblical standard, "the Tower of Babel". A lot of this is loneliness and trying to be part of something. The lovely warmth of human insanity and togetherness, when really all that is going on is an attempt to fill the various orifices of the body every second of existence, be it a hot dog or a bullet. It's impossible. Everyone is missing it and those of us who think we're seeing it and are doing so much better are just as deluded. I still lean toward not-doing, not-knowing, and possibly dancing the booga booga whenever possible.

The pretense is unbelievable, but it must be serving a purpose. Purpose?

7/9/07 9:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Really. Tonight I reached another one of my limits. Millionaires crying about lack of fulfillment. Less than millionaires whining about the millionaires. People complaining about war whilst sucking up the bounty nonstop. Shit on the walls masquerading as art. F%$&in' art. That's about as ridiculous as everything else. Me keeping my lips sealed like some cheap glued envelope containing the gas bill. Shit masquerading as enlightened conversation. Shit masquerading as music. People pretending to be above, beyond, and outside of it all. People wallowing euphorically in the sewage. Tribal shit, family shit, personal shit, collective shit. The hypocritic oath. I need a drink.

Other than that.....

This leads me to think that all this bullshit going on in the Middle East is nothing but tribal warfare taken to ridiculous extremes.

Pretty much the story worldwide. Hopefully, the show is illuminating in some way. Getting Pluto out of Sagittarius promises to be a doozy. First get the damn thing out of the Galactic Center! Jesus god!

7/9/07 9:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Then to top it all off, I consulted the Tarot to see what was really going on and I drew the Ace of Pentacles. What in the hell is that all about? Oh, I know. Maybe I can fly out of financial crisis by being a published social critic! I'm sure that's it. My next great career. I just got fired from my position as spiritual platitudes creator for Hallmark cards. I need a new job.

7/9/07 10:04 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

Haven't there been other Bin Laden tapes? How many? I have no idea. What was he purported to have said or threatened? Again, I have no idea. I don't have a television, don't listen to the radio. I don't know what the newscasters are blabbing about about it either. To me it's just some hyperlink on yahoo news that I never click. Meaningless to my existence. Does that make me above it?

7/9/07 10:38 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I don't know.

8/9/07 12:47 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I drew the Ace of Pentacles. What in the hell is that all about?"

Dunno, you can read those things any number of ways. :-)

If it were for me, it would be something like, "It's a great time to focus, ground, stabilize, manifest", "Take care of your physical needs first, and then other things can build on that foundation", "Get concrete about things; start by appealing to all of the senses", "New work opportunities or remunerations are in the offing", "Break down big projects (nouns) into small actionable steps (verbs) that can actually be initiated and completed/repeated".

A friend needed to clean up his dissertation writing, so I've been explaining to him about prioritization of ideas to bring out the essentials or core message. My sister's office assistant wants To Do list software, which somehow led to reading in the Wikipedia about time management, wicked problems, analysis paralysis (an anti-pattern) and diminishing returns, and so on. In the course of that, the Wikipedia commented that the economic, environmental, and political issues of the world are in a class known as wicked problems; they are solvable by no one person nor leader, rather they are conditioned by many people and evolve over time -- possibly with no discernable endpoint in sight. Duh. Only hindsight is fully revealing, if any solution is to be seen.

I like pentacles. I recall reading as a kid, in a book I found at my grandmother's house, that esoterically, the points of the pentalpha (the endless knot formed by five letter A's -- A is the beginning) correspond to the four elemental dimensions plus the fifth which is subtle sound. The fiveness also suggests the head and four limbs of the human body, and the design an orchestration of human attributes. It all just goes round and round again.

And, of course, I recall that the suit of Pentacles has a special association with the Earth element. So, maybe the Ace there is also a Saturn in 0 Virgo thing. :-) (I have natal Uranus right there, if that means anything.)

The Sabian symbolism for the first degree of Virgo is "In a portrait, the significant features of a man's head are artistically emphasized."

"Artistically emphasized" makes sense to me. If I apply it to the "important information" idea, which seems to be about prioritization, I could read that as "Keep only what is creatively useful for you from the world picture." Hmm, the senses (and their corresponding elemental domains) that help construct the picture are represented in the features of the head.

An old book on my shelf mentions "eternal synthesis" and "counterbalanced power" rising over "lilies of thought". The interpretation at this link similarly suggests a great creative challenge in integrating and balancing the inner spirit and the outer circumstances. Hmm, can I put what I think that I know into better practice? It takes me away from trying to argue with people and stuff "out there". Also, it reminds of the cycles of Earth life, and the systems of Nature. I know that there are new opportunities afoot for me, doors beginning to open to another level of function. Don't worry, be happy.

"Maybe I can fly out of financial crisis by being a published social critic!"

Well, you can certainly write extremely well when you wish. I imagine that would work out most conveniently for you if you should one day find that you had written enough thematically connected material for a book or two.

Ooh, I just remembered that I bought some yummy pretzel sticks last night. Salt of the earth. Plenty to go around.

Okay, I'm getting lunch, and then it's back to looking for that good-enough To Do List software, and my endless computer telephony office database project. Maybe I can sneak in a movie or two over the weekend.

8/9/07 9:30 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

This is pretty random, but it does amuse me that Bin Laden purportedly uses tapes. :-) Doesn't he know that tapes are so 1980's? Why not the new Bin Laden DVD complete with special features and extras? Like a tutorial on how to make roadside bombs or more detail on the virgins awaiting the martyrs for his cause? Hell, why not the Bin Laden Blu-Ray or HDDVD so we can see the details of the individual hairs of his beard? How about the Bin Laden DIVX download for those of us who like to download our media. This Bin Laden guy (or is it the government?) is so behind the times. I have a friend, a software engineer at Google who looked me in the eye with mirth during a conversation and said regards to technology "The government is a bunch of total amateurs". Heck, any teenager could do a better presentation than Bin Laden.

8/9/07 10:41 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

So I guess this is partly why I find Bin Laden a colossal joke. I am supposed to fear a this guy supposedly living out in a cave and sending crappy tapes to the media? I could never fear such an amateur.

8/9/07 10:48 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I don't put much stock in my Tarot readings as far as advice goes and what-not. I use the cards as an explanation of the moment from another angle.

The thing I find intriguing is how the card often doesn't match what I thought was the mood. Last night, for example I was in one of my disillusioned rages, and yet the card revealed something very positive about the expression. I love this dichotomy. This is why I am open to possibility in every emotional moment and reluctant to separate good and bad. Metaphysics has especially taught me this.

So when I get angry, and everyone who knows me knows about my exceptionally sharp tongue, I fear the repercussions. But so what. It's probably fundamentally good to say what I think. The card last night pretty much said it.

It does get confusing, though, when the bad and good come together so completely. Trying to be positive exclusively is not a good idea. Mercury (the dichotomy) in Libra will probably bring a lot of this around. Libra is very quarrelsome for this purpose.

In the course of that, the Wikipedia commented that the economic, environmental, and political issues of the world are in a class known as wicked problems; they are solvable by no one person nor leader, rather they are conditioned by many people and evolve over time

Only to be exchanged for new problems. I wonder what the "wicked problems" stem from.

Only hindsight is fully revealing, if any solution is to be seen.

Absolutely.

I like pentacles too, and lately I've been drawing them often, along with wands. Very few cups and swords. It's interesting. There is supposed to be change and variety associated with the 5, but when you look at the pentacle it has a very stable triangular form (the A completed by the eye) as the main part. I would guess stability is intrinsic to the pentacle.

Keep only what is creatively useful for you from the world picture.

I don't think that's done consciously. It happens automatically and what's useful might not be exactly pleasant. Everyone has a unique relationship with the outside world. Some use the irritation as motivation or creativity as in creating a pearl from sand, others use the events as avoidance, and so on.

Some people are extroverts and energy comes from others and outside circumstance. The introverts function well by staying separate.

The important thing to realize is that we can't change these things but on the the other hand, being disgruntled and involved is not necessarily bad, even to the extreme at times.

Simply put; say an annoying bin Laden event occurs and we all have a choice whether to engage or not. For some, there is no interest. Others, however, use the event as a release of a sort. So the emotional vicissitudes are quite useful when one knows what they symbolize for the self. They can be ridden and used for sensation too.

a great creative challenge in integrating and balancing the inner spirit and the outer circumstances.

They are the same. We can participate anywhere at any time and the end result will be equal. The "great creative challenge" might be not interfering and trying so hard, just experiencing. Let life course through with less judgement.

8/9/07 2:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Hell, why not the Bin Laden Blu-Ray or HDDVD so we can see the details of the individual hairs of his beard? How about the Bin Laden DIVX download for those of us who like to download our media.

Heheh.

The government is a bunch of total amateurs

Can't tell if this is a good or bad thing. It's true, though, they lag behind.

8/9/07 2:16 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I don't put much stock in my Tarot readings as far as advice goes and what-not. I use the cards as an explanation of the moment from another angle."

I don't use them at all for advice, actually -- I just enjoy the pictures. I remember that sometimes I would get a clear mental image of the facedown card's illustration before I turned it over. I assumed that meant that the card resonated most specifically to me at that time. If I do see advice in a card, it's really a reflection of what's already conscious to me. Good for reinforcement, maybe. I've tried using a couple of cards for contemplation and that was an interesting experiment.

"Trying to be positive exclusively is not a good idea."

I find that an overall positive outlook is beneficial if coupled with less attachment to results. I believe that there's no requirement to be as negative as some are; some people I have known seem to be trying their darndest to be negative exclusively, and when they succeed, it reinforces their self-fulfilling prophecies. They overlook the good things that do happen, and expect disaster at every turn. Feelings are supposed to have some ups and downs.

"I like pentacles too, and lately I've been drawing them often, along with wands. Very few cups and swords. It's interesting. There is supposed to be change and variety associated with the 5, but when you look at the pentacle it has a very stable triangular form (the A completed by the eye) as the main part. I would guess stability is intrinsic to the pentacle."

The odd number of points lends them extra dynamism (compared to the square which has one less point). The golden ratio reappears in the proportions.

Pentacles and wands are associated with Earth and Fire, respectively, so the salt connection seems appropriate.

"I don't think that's done consciously. It happens automatically and what's useful might not be exactly pleasant."

I think of pleasant and unpleasant as evaluations of feedback. I don't take the Western tendency to consider the individual as the agent that ideally controls everything around him.

I think a lot is left to the discretion of the individual, per his or her overall intent which is a necessary part of the picture, but the conscious mind cannot coercively control everything. It's not geared for that. It would be silly.

I can take an artistic perspective on it. Watercolor is an example that has come to my mind before -- working with the medium which has it's own imperatives. Something fresh and unexpected emerges from the collaboration of the artist's focus and the medium's unique characteristics. The water medium is an evocative symbol in the analogy. The art of living is my preference.

"The important thing to realize is that we can't change these things but on the the other hand, being disgruntled and involved is not necessarily bad, even to the extreme at times."

;-)

"They are the same. We can participate anywhere at any time and the end result will be equal. The "great creative challenge" might be not interfering and trying so hard, just experiencing. Let life course through with less judgement."

And I think it's good for some people to have the experience of trying for what they want, and with more nonchalant ease and less judgment, at the same time. And not avoiding experience, either, letting oneself have experiences. In the overall, people will learn from it all.

I don't worry so much about end results. There is no end. People will do as they please, believe what they want to believe, move at their own pace in whichever direction.

To me, the creative challenge of expressing the relatively less tangible in the relatively more tangible is really like an art process. An aunt pondered decorating her office-like rooms. Where does one start, she wondered. Things have to coordinate, she opined. Real decorators have special talent, she asserted. For a year. Then, it was two. And then it was five. And now I've lost count. Jump in where you like, without overanalyzing, I recommended in various ways. Just start with something that you like. Finally, just the other week, she ventured that she liked a particular shade of deep red.

9/9/07 11:27 AM  
Blogger jm said...

If I do see advice in a card, it's really a reflection of what's already conscious to me. Good for reinforcement, maybe.

Exactly. I do all my divination after the decision has been made.

I find that an overall positive outlook is beneficial

No doubt. And it's true. A real one is entirely separate from results. In fact, the positive outlook sees the opportunity in the unpleasant.

The odd number of points lends them extra dynamism.

Could this explain why I favor the odd numbers all the way around? Three is my favorite number for social grouping.

Pentacles and wands are associated with Earth and Fire

This is where my path is now. The water and air don't need attention. Getting my vision and inspiration grounded do need some work.:-)The lightning rod approach.

Something fresh and unexpected emerges from the collaboration of the artist's focus and the medium's unique characteristics. The water medium is an evocative symbol in the analogy. The art of living is my preference.

Agreed. The same artistic collaboration comes in every relationship and each social interaction. Each conversation is a work of art potentially.

I don't worry so much about end results. There is no end.

D'accord.

9/9/07 3:34 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

After I wrote that entry on Bin Laden I discovered another article in the news:

"The Singularity Summit: AI and the Future of Humanity"

Here's a bunch of techies who think the apocalypse is coming because we are going to invent smart amoral machines sort of Terminator movie style. Anyway, the contrast with Bin Laden sending us his low-tech doom from a cave just blew me away.

Is every group creating their own doomsday scenario, and also one that is radically different than one another? So which one is funnier, which one scarier? Terminator or Arabs in caves and would you like a slice of the rapture with that too? It's all on the menu. It starts to get absurd that people are fearing these things doesn't it? I mean why bother buying into this stuff it seems to be absurd.

9/9/07 8:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It starts to get absurd that people are fearing these things doesn't it?

Yes. But I wonder if they really fear them. I tend to think it's just a hook for normal everyday fears. people don't know what to do with the fear quotient which is part of the package. They're unnamed so some guy in a foreign cave is just as good as anything.

Is every group creating their own doomsday scenario, and also one that is radically different than one another?

A little creativity. Isn't it just the doom of our own deaths? Why is that so hard for humans to face? They say that sets us apart evolutionarily, that we can perceive our deaths. I wonder why. Why perceive the future and get it so wrong all the time?

Fear is supposed to ensure survival, but it's gone elsewhere, or has it? I can't figure out its exact function at this point. Why people fear the impossible.

9/9/07 9:05 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"A real one is entirely separate from results. In fact, the positive outlook sees the opportunity in the unpleasant."

Very good. That's actually quite intriguing, how you put that.

"Could this explain why I favor the odd numbers all the way around? Three is my favorite number for social grouping."

Three is not a crowd, ha. Assuming level ground, a four-legged chair or table has to have its legs very close in length. With a three-legged one, the lengths can be slightly mismatched and the object will still bear a person's shifting weight without wobbling. (If the ground is slightly uneven, then the trick of rotating the four-legged table in place will eventually find the stable position -- assuming the legs are practically the same length. More expediently, one could wedge a matchbook under a leg.)

Odd numbers seem a little mysterious. One day, I was amused by how, when stacking regular polygons as vertically as possible, the odd number ensures a change in implied direction.

"The lightning rod approach."

Ooh. Nice image. Another image I like is the shooting or falling star. Some folklore associates it with disaster, but I don't.

10/9/07 10:11 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"So which one is funnier, which one scarier? Terminator or Arabs in caves and would you like a slice of the rapture with that too?"

The Terminator and the terrorist duke it out. Good popcorn movie. :-)

10/9/07 11:23 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Assuming level ground, a four-legged chair or table has to have its legs very close in length. With a three-legged one, the lengths can be slightly mismatched and the object will still bear a person's shifting weight without wobbling.

Very interesting. Exceptionally. Never thought of this. So the 3 implies an adjustable characteristic. I have to give this some more thought.

OMG!! Another one of your illuminating illustrations. This is fantastic. Really kadimiros. Explains a whole lot in a perfect way. That could very well be the key. The change in direction. The shifting characteristic. I've always felt that about my age, too. I'm in an odd year now. Very very good.

Another image I like is the shooting or falling star. Some folklore associates it with disaster, but I don't.

Nor do I. The opposite. I love them and feel they are a good omen. A very good one. Interesting how our inner maps project so accurately and uniquely.

Going to study the diagram. I wonder what configuration would make a circle.

10/9/07 1:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This is truly fascinating. The 4 suggests stability or nonchange, but the chair points out how tricky this might be. More exacting. The 3 is a shift from the status quo, but the chair indicates another kind of stability. One that "rests" on change and can adjust to shifting terrain with "wiggle room". The 4 legged chair would be more durable?

The sequential characteristic of numbers is like alternating current. A logical rhythm and flow to life in general, the alternating odd and even ensuring movement and energy.

I wonder how this relates to rhythm and music. The steady walking 4 beats, the waltzing 3. The waltz covers a lot of territory fast. There was a time in history when the waltz was extremely popular. I wonder about this connection. Will have to look into this.

Most standard pop songs have two stanzas, a bridge, and a final stanza, making 4. I Usually have 7.

It would be interesting to make a chart of the movement of musical rhythm. Reggae has one of the most centered stable beats of all music. One dances to it by moving in place. The waltz immediately sends the dancer across the entire floor, changing direction nonstop.

10/9/07 2:29 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Explains a whole lot in a perfect way."

It looks like a type of progressive expansion (that is to say, more faceted conditions come along), but the points of change are departures from straight line predictions (based on the past).

"I've always felt that about my age, too. I'm in an odd year now. Very very good."

Oh, interesting.

Because all of my birth numbers numerologically reduce to the digit 9, I can simply add the digits of my age -- it nearly always comes out the same as the numerologist's Personal Year and Universal Year calculations. Or, adding up the digits of the year (2007) comes out the same, too.

I believe that your birth numbers numerologically equate to very mystical numbers like 7, 11, 22. As it happens, your current Personal Year number is a 7, so there is a consonance with your birth year.

"I love them and feel they are a good omen. A very good one."

To me, they symbolize the emergence of unexpected gifts.

One day, I sketched in oil paint a fiery object streaming hot colors in a midnight blue sky. The sky is filled with hot curls of red and yellow, repeated in the natural colors of the landscape below. A friend said the movement implied by the strokes of color gave him the sense of underwater.

10/9/07 2:36 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

I wrote, "As it happens, your current Personal Year number is a 7, so there is a consonance with your birth year."

Actually, I should be more specific, that should be consonance with the birth date, not just the year number.

The current Personal Year number would be also be a 7 for you. The numerologists claim that the 7 year is supposed to be for analysis and sorting things out, reflection and perfection. Next comes the 8 year, supposed to be a year of power, when one is encouraged to marshal strengths, branch out, act, and cause things to come to one.

10/9/07 2:40 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"This is truly fascinating. The 4 suggests stability or nonchange, but the chair points out how tricky this might be. More exacting."

Yes. I think the notion of the four cardinal directions is where the fourness comes in as guardians of order. But they are best for orientation. They are akin to the Asc./Desc. and MC/IC axes in the astrological chart.

"The 3 is a shift from the status quo, but the chair indicates another kind of stability. One that 'rests' on change and can adjust to shifting terrain with 'wiggle room'. The 4 legged chair would be more durable?"

I don't know if they are more durable. The three has an obvious advantage in that it saves on material and labor. But here's an amusing quote:

"My grandfather always told me that a three-legged stool couldn’t be beat for stability and durability. He liked to make stools in his woodshop and would tell us about how each three-legged stool was like our current situation -- whatever it might be. Sometimes he related to my dating situation, other times my difficulties choosing a college, and one time a stool inspired his advice on coloring my hair. While some of his examples seemed a little farfetched, I have always looked for contributing factors to situations, instead of assuming that the situation, or stool, stood on only the one leg that was currently in view."

"The sequential characteristic of numbers is like alternating current. A logical rhythm and flow to life in general, the alternating odd and even ensuring movement and energy."

Yes, it is. That's right.

"Most standard pop songs have two stanzas, a bridge, and a final stanza, making 4. I Usually have 7."

You usually have 7? Hmm. Why is that?

10/9/07 2:56 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Explains a whole lot in a perfect way."

Also, you can see the threeness in that each group of three adjacent shapes can align their centers. The odd-numbered shapes are the ones that simultaneously align with more than one group. An analogy for function, perhaps.

10/9/07 3:05 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Now, which polygon should I label the doomsday scenario, heheh.

10/9/07 3:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

but the points of change are departures from straight line predictions (based on the past).

OK. Let's expand. take the aspects numerically.

Oppositions: 180=9
Squares: 90=9
Trines: 120=3
Sextiles: 60=6
Inconjunts: 150=6

Interesting. Then the inconjunct would actually be a stable aspect, which I believe, contrary to popular following. All the "major" ones are unpredictable.
Very illuminating.

Yes. I think the notion of the four cardinal directions is where the fourness comes in as guardians of order. But they are best for orientation. They are akin to the Asc./Desc. and MC/IC axes in the astrological chart.

Very very good point. Excellent. Would like to pursue.

To me, they symbolize the emergence of unexpected gifts.
Love it. beautiful.

10/9/07 3:20 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You usually have 7? Hmm. Why is that?

Great thing to ponder. The standard 4 is usually incomplete to me and too ordered, maybe dull and confining.

When I expand I often alter the second bridge and somehow the whole theme comes to resolution with the 7. I'm beginning to think that the odd finishing number might also leave room for the future and speculation, rather than the predictable end of the 4. Still, here is something else about the 7.

Again, very very interesting. Not surprised with the company I keep.:-)

10/9/07 3:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Also, you can see the threeness in that each group of three adjacent shapes can align their centers.

Here we go. I knew it was something centric.

The odd-numbered shapes are the ones that simultaneously align with more than one group. An analogy for function, perhaps.

Yes. Fascinating. I get that specifically in the 3 in social organization. The vast departure from the one-on-one to group consciousness. A huge change.

10/9/07 3:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh the square is doomsday!

10/9/07 3:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Wow. The more I ponder.

Also, you can see the threeness in that each group of three adjacent shapes can align their centers.

Could have something to do with my love of the 3 in society. I've always sensed this. Threesomes seem to leave the center, the self intact, and yet in sympathetic alignment with the others. Beyond the 3, identity gets more submerged ordinarily and leadership emerges. With the threesome, it's not needed.

10/9/07 3:36 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Oh the square is doomsday!"

With four horsemen riding in from the four quarters of the compass, no doubt. I imagine that a writer of satirical fiction might invent characters named Gluttony, Sterility, Apathy and Pest.

15/9/07 2:56 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Then the inconjunct would actually be a stable aspect, which I believe, contrary to popular following. All the "major" ones are unpredictable. Very illuminating."

Thinking further on this, the square polygon may represent stability in a rather idealized way -- maybe because it is obtained with much more effort than, say, a nonequiangular, unequal-sided quadrilateral.

Following your thinking, this suggests that astrological squares and oppositions usually tend to instability; the aspected factors have varying strengths and aims.

But awareness can adjust, by moderating or by bringing in more factors.

15/9/07 3:03 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Would like to pursue."

Okay, let's see. North, East, South, West make four cardinal directions, but I always think that the schema omits up and down. There should be six altogether -- or three axes. The bias comes in because we are mostly accustomed to walking on relatively flat surfaces. Even if we prefer a spherical coordinate system, threeness emerges as distance from origin and two angles -- similar to the systems we use for geography and celestial observations.

The astrology chart appears flat but a third dimension does come in with certain points such as the Asc./Desc./MC/IC points (determined by the angle of the ecliptic plane to the local horizon), and the cusps of the astrological houses. Hmm, the house cusps are calculated from time, longitude and latitude. The houses are said to be about areas of life, action and experience. That makes symbolic sense as they do orient and locate the personality within the space through which it moves.

15/9/07 3:04 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I get that specifically in the 3 in social organization. The vast departure from the one-on-one to group consciousness. A huge change."

Yes, three is a special favorite of mine. The more acute angles within the triangle seem to enhance. Well, come to think of it, I like all the odd numbers, ha ha!

That's a good point about leaving the center intact.

I think that the square and the straight line progression are points of departure for constructing something more, not ends in themselves. It's been said that development in dreams doesn't follow a straight line; rather, it delves into the moment.

Recently, I've been thinking a little about how that works in terms of constructing a Golden spiral. Remarkably, "throwing a curve" into the mix allows something surprisingly attractive to develop from a linear or "square" situation.

15/9/07 3:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Thinking further on this, the square polygon may represent stability in a rather idealized way -- maybe because it is obtained with much more effort

Interesting thought. Illusory, perhaps. Good vein to enter... effort related to perception.

But awareness can adjust, by moderating or by bringing in more factors.

Perfectly stated, tying in both concepts normally used. The added tangents could explain the exceptional characteristic (to me) and I also think this adds creativity.

16/9/07 5:21 AM  
Blogger jm said...

It's true that the chart is a flat representation, but one can't escape the multi-dimensional reality it represents, so I think it's hard to say where the spherical begins and ends. It reaches beyond the pure mathematics and astronomy.

if we prefer a spherical coordinate system, threeness emerges as distance from origin and two angles -- similar to the systems we use for geography and celestial observations.

I'm not fully grasping this at the moment, but I've been looking at straight lines uncomfortably all night and I'm not thinking straight at all right now:-) Will come back to this.

houses are said to be about areas of life, action and experience. That makes symbolic sense as they do orient and locate the personality within the space through which it moves.

Well stated.

Remarkably, "throwing a curve" into the mix allows something surprisingly attractive to develop from a linear or "square" situation.

There is a logic to this that I enjoy thinking about, especially considering my prejudice against the right angle. They all go together. But what intrigues me connects to what we were originally talking about. The linear and square are supposed to provide the stability, but I'm not so sure. It's got me thinking about the "safety" of alternatives to the stable status quo. Both are needed. But maybe there are some false expectations and dependency on the linear, as you said about idealizing the square.

16/9/07 5:41 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Hmm, the house cusps are calculated from time, longitude and latitude. The houses are said to be about areas of life, action and experience.

This gets interesting the more I think about it. So time and space are the same, and they delineate tangible experience.

The fact that the houses are based on time could be why people see the past in the wheel and also hope to see the future. Most go in either direction all the time, so they automatically use it as a clock. Hmmmm. ANOTHER clock? How much clock do we need? What d'ya think?

I wonder what part of the horoscope is perceieved outside of this time progression? All of it actually, when you look for different things. Interesting.

The Sun is in Leo somewhere, then moves immediately, for example. Do you track the movement of just contemplate the meaning of the Sun? It seems like they are conflicting activities, done at separate times. How important is time? Our past and futures? Less so as time goes on, I find:-)

16/9/07 5:58 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"But what intrigues me connects to what we were originally talking about. The linear and square are supposed to provide the stability, but I'm not so sure. It's got me thinking about the "safety" of alternatives to the stable status quo. Both are needed."

I don't conceive of the square as stability. In material construction, the vertices of a rectilinear frame are points of relative instability.

I don't mind squares at all as part of a bigger picture.

18/9/07 7:42 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Hmmmm. ANOTHER clock? How much clock do we need? What d'ya think?"

Clocks are helpful for some things but the downside of course, as more people are realizing, is that we can lose touch with our basic rhythms. Innate time perception depends on a region in the right side of the brain and also on an area near the brain stem.

Clock time glosses over the shifting durations of day and night through the seasons, and our native sense of time, which expands or contracts according to our absorption and mental activity.

The recognized divisions such as the minutes in the hour, hours in the day, seven planetary days of the week until market day comes round again, and so on, have some resonance as agreed-upon cultural forms. The alternative divisions used by older societies are now mostly forgotten by moderns.

I think the intuitively appealing systems such as astrology became more calculated and calibrated through the centuries. I suspect that the origins are more organic, akin to seeing images in clouds or to directly feeling the energies of stars or the meaning of dreamed experiences. The layers of structure are built on top of association.

18/9/07 7:47 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Do you track the movement of [or] just contemplate the meaning of the Sun? It seems like they are conflicting activities, done at separate times."

Maybe people can feel the movement and meaning together. We secondarily make use of the esoteric systems to help bring it more fully into conscious recognition. Fortunately, we have computer programs to free us more to explore. My concern would be that some people let the systems, techniques, and methods get in the way but I decided a while back to have a sense of humor about it all.

18/9/07 7:49 PM  

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