Thursday, December 27, 2007

Political Change

The departure of Benazir Bhutto is an auspicious event metaphysically. And she was fully prepared. It occurred with Mars retrograde in Cancer indicating that Pakistan cannot go back to the past and that the Islamic worldwide revolution can proceed. People think the religious struggle on the planet now is primarily among Christians, Jews, and Moslems, but this is not the case. The conflict among Moslems, Hindus, and Buddhists is a basic part of the situation and the separation of Pakistan from India is intrinsic to the story. The partition was a terrible event in Asia's history and is still causing problems, symbolic of the global separations people are dealing with now as Pluto slowly leaves Sagittarius.
The partition of Pakistan and India along religious lines resulted in the largest migration in human history, with 17 million people fleeing across the borders in both directions to escape the accompanying sectarian violence.
Civil division has caused some of the worst difficulties known to humanity. If you want to see some amazing astrology take a look at this chart. The birth of Pakistan as a republic was later in 1956, but that's not the important chart. The partition tells the tale, in terms of the Pluto exit and the ethnic wars.

First let's start with a few important placements:
Bhutto's natal chart:
Sun: 29 Gemini
Mars: 4 Cancer
North Node 3 Aquarius, South Node 3 Leo
Pluto: 21 Leo
Assassination:
Pluto: 28 Sagittarius
Mars: 1 Cancer
North Node 29 Aquarius, South Node 29 Leo
Moon: 21 Leo
The partition was officially put into motion at midnight, August 15, 1947. One of the most outstanding factors in the chart of the occasion is the beginning planet, Uranus, at 25 Gemini, near Pluto's degree in Sagittarius yesterday in opposition. Brother against brother. Religious and ethnic differences. Bhutto's Sun at 29 Gemini combines to show the world that this division doesn't work. The Moon was in Cancer at the partition and Mars at 0 Cancer correlates with today's Mars retrograde and Bhutto's natal Mars as she returned to her homeland to die on her Mars return. Twice returned that is, stressing that tribal barrier is a large part of the story. Her own sectarian origins were kept hidden. Look at the Leo 4th house stellium in the ptn.chart and you can see the energy focused on excessive pride and claim to territory, very similar to the situation in Israel, whose creation was soon after this event. Substantial connection here. Bhutto's Pluto exactly conjuncts the Sun at 21 Leo in the ptn.chart and the Moon yesterday, one of the most important lessons being absorbed. The South node is in Leo after the transit of Saturn started diminishing the power of the omnipotent ego driven leaders of the world. The meeting of all the 21* Leo points is quite an event. She was one of them.
And this leads to the most fascinating part of the configuration. The midheaven of the ptn.chart almost exactly conjuncts Bhutto's North Node in Aquarius. What is this saying? The brotherhood of man is the way people can free themselves from the religious separations and violence, in conjunction with the familial expansion of Cancer-Sagittarius. It looks very much like the partition of Pakistan and Bhutto's death have paved the way for a recognition of this simple fact. Although many, many hardships are ahead for Pakistan, the transit of Aquarius, along with Neptune in Aquarius and Uranus in Pisces, as well as the upcoming Uranian transits, point to some resolution of the religious tribal violence, however small. Or at least an increased understanding. Her legacy might be just that. In order for mankind to progress, the influential Moslem religion must evolve and now is the moment. It couldn't have happened with her return to power. It's time to move on.
The Partition was a highly controversial arrangement, and remains a cause of much tension on the subcontinent today. The commission took so long to decide on a final boundary that the two nations were granted their independence even before there was a defined boundary between them.
Boundaries. Pluto. Capricorn.

59 Comments:

Anonymous Joe said...

Insightful post, jm. I know little about this subject so it's fascinating to see how it plays out, at least from the relative safety of this vantage point.

I find it predictable and tiresome that the media and the US government automatically blame "Al Qaeda" for this event. Did you all know that in Arabic, al qaeda means "the toilet"? I understand it has a colloquial interpretation as well.

Now why would an organization that is supposedly in favor of Islamic/Muslim sovereignty or independence call itself by such a vulgar name?

I think it's b/c it doesn't exist and is a convenient fear-inspiring bogeyman, much like good ol' Osama.

28/12/07 6:55 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

JM this is one of the most brilliant analyses I ever ever read.

28/12/07 12:09 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Did you all know that in Arabic, al qaeda means "the toilet"?
no kidding?
What a curious synastry to have just exposed Santa Claus in the marble-lined loo.

28/12/07 12:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I love you two humans.

Joe, you could be right about Al Qaeda. I have reached my limit with the whole thing, ALL the ego driven analyses that cannot, will not, refuse until death to see the facts. I'm at my wit's end. If people recognized some truth, together we could move this thing. The soothsayers aren't helping one bit.

I heard one tiny segment of the media analysis and it was beyond absurd, except for some Paki ambassador who told the truth about this being a political event within the country.

I am stunned at humanity's blindness or stupidity and yet I know it's part of the construct. People come when they're ready. There must be a reason for this game and I have to be patient.

In order to understand this you must must must understand the partition. Very few here do. Plus the rise of India as a superpower which most seem to be missing. Pakistan's involment in BCCI, and things like that. In fact to comment intelligently on the geopolitical you have to have some grasp of history and human behavior, not just look at Neptune or an eclipse and expect to get your answer. Everyone is being led by the nose, it seems.

I certainly do hope that the Al Qaeda nonsense is destined to die down and this planet can do some real work and make some progress as the planets transit the last quadrant.

Amazing, tseka! The two toilets. I'd like to flush a few more entities down there into that marble wasteland.

Once again, I love you.

28/12/07 1:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

If people get their heads out of the holes they've gotten into, raise their antennae, STOP following the wrong people, and take a good look around they can begin to understand, but it can take leaving the pack momentarily.

Even online there is good information and it's not a bad idea to visit the websites of the people over there, not just political, to get an inkling of their feelings, opinions, and experiences. Following the ridiculous American media is isolationist and just plain dumb. It's the lowest rung. This country is not as major a player as you think, especially not right now. It's always been part of the problem, this lack of exchange beyond the borders, and now that Pluto has crossed the USA asc, maybe the people could open up a little to the world.

Bhutto was involved in all kinds of criminal activity as they all are.

My hope is that the United States also realizes it can't go back to the past.

28/12/07 2:19 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Plus the rise of India as a superpower which most seem to be missing. Pakistan's involment in BCCI, and things like that.

BCCI is huge and i remember how astonished i was that it all just got swept under the rug. Then again i am ever easily astonished.

I was just thinking that current events in Nepal heralded a positive change for Asia.

I am alert to changes in perspective tho. My mother called to tell me about the death of a teen by an escaped tiger (from a Bay area Zoo?). without TV i miss these things but heh not for long...her lather was that the talking heads were all blathering about how it happened, how measures needed to be taken for future prevention. Bottom line for her was, "Why do we still have these horrible places keeping animals in captivity?" i have to wonder if in isolation people aren't asking pertinent questions.

28/12/07 2:33 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

BTW my laptop died so no more evening chats next to the fire.

28/12/07 2:36 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Just curious if any one is noticing the DONATION button?? It's right below the archives......

28/12/07 2:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh no! Well, that laptop made a valiant effort and died gracefully. Soon it'll be spring anyway!

OMG! OMG! Your mother!

Bottom line for her was, "Why do we still have these horrible places keeping animals in captivity?" i have to wonder if in isolation people aren't asking pertinent questions.

My exact reaction to the tiger.

Pertinent questions? Ha! We need teachers, philosophers, thinkers, believers, not these goddamned celebrities who lead the public. Media pundits. It's a completely not-funny joke. Along with astrologers who cavalierly, in their hurry to get stroked, use inaccurate charts with no time. I have a particular problem with the posting of 12 PM as the time, or even the solar chart. It's misleading.

The Asian rise is going to be magnificent, full of all kinds of problems, of course, but needed. Africa is the sad one, but it'll arrive in time.

28/12/07 2:59 PM  
Anonymous The Ninth Immortal said...

Apparently, 'Al Qaeda' only means 'toilet' in Arabic slang. It seems its actual meaning is 'The Base' or 'The Foundation'.

I'm not an expert - dear old Wikipedia obliged with the details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

Personally, I have no problem believing Al Qaeda exists. What I am not always convinced about is the degree to which it poses a threat to the so-called 'free' world.

28/12/07 3:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

As much as I don't personally like them, finding them emotionally manipulative, foreign movies are a good way to get other viewpoints and some historical information. An easy way for people, if they can tear their eyes away from their stars. Many many Indian films are coming out with valuable information.

The spread of Islam throughout Asia was monumental and now the results have to be dealt with. People in the USA have no idea about triabl warfare. No idea about the situation in Iraq. The differences in this prosperous country are child's play compared to the rest of the world. Everyone should be wary of these politicians who talk down and distort reality out there to get their votes, terror being the operative word. People will have to take the initiative.

28/12/07 3:06 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Thanks ninth. Interesting how the slang developed from the original.

There are many terrorist organizations in the world as there always have been. They were in the United States during the labor wars. They continue as part of overall warfare in the human race and can't be eliminated as long as war continues to be legitimate. The legit spawns the criminal and illegitimate in all things. The power of terrorists is always contained naturally. The exploitation now is temporary only to be exchanged for another politically viable threat, until, of course, the people catch on. I'll be missing that, certainly.

28/12/07 3:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

a threat to the so-called 'free' world.

As far as I can ascertain the biggest threats are from within.

28/12/07 3:14 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

interesting 'ninth' fact is the US is doling out millions or is it billions for mercenaries such a blackwater, and has for a long time. This makes it hard to sift out truth of enemies as so much is occluded. Who are these hired guns really working for?

28/12/07 3:16 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Keep the home fires burning, i'll check in when i can.

28/12/07 3:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes. BCCI. One of the meany criminal organizations these leaders run. They fund the terrorists to make money, create the wars, and all of that as you know. But people don't care as long as their needs are met and they can continue to think they are gaining. They will not sacrifice commodities for goodness toward their fellow humans. Almost no one.

I really don't know what the answer is to the criminal element in humanity because it resides in each one of us. I say over and over how these criminals R us and as long as we fail to identify they will continue as is.

28/12/07 3:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This makes it hard to sift out truth of enemies

You got that one right. Age old human dilemma.

28/12/07 3:24 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Cui bono? Who benefits from muddying up the waters so that we can't tell truth from lie?

Already the alleged cause of her death is multiplying into different versions, as noted by this comment at www.whatreallyhappened.com

READER: ISLAMABAD (AFP) - Pakistan's interior ministry said Friday that Benazir Bhutto was killed after smashing her head on her car's sunroof while trying to duck, and that no bullet or shrapnel was found inside her.

How they can have searched for and found no bullets inside her body when there was supposedly NO AUTOPSY???

Musharraf says the lever from the sunroof excuse killed Bhutto, The police says she was killed by 5 bullets.

So who is right? Musharraf or the police? I'm more inclined to beleive the police. Was there an autopsy? Muslim tradition is for a body to be buried within 24 hours. Is that enough time for an autopsy?

RESPONSE: Thai media is saying two snipers shot her, followed by a bomb, but that there was nobody near her car at the time, no close-up shooters and no suicide bomber.


I'm with you, jm, on reaching your limit with the whole thing. Like I said before, I took the red pill a long, long time ago.

28/12/07 3:34 PM  
Anonymous The Ninth Immortal said...

I say over and over how these criminals R us and as long as we fail to identify they will continue as is.

I remember something very wise being said at a service in memory of the victims of 9/11.

We had gathered at Columbia U's chapel to hear elders from various religious traditions speak, and the abbot of a Zen temple said that what we loathed and feared in our enemy we had to first acknowledge within ourselves.

28/12/07 3:39 PM  
Anonymous The Ninth Immortal said...

Like I said before, I took the red pill a long, long time ago.

And who could blame you, Joe? The media and internet and blogosphere and everything else to do with our manipulated 'news' outlets seem to shift, re-group, and re-jig everytime you hit 'refresh'. Who the hell knows where the truth lies?

28/12/07 3:44 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Joe, man. It's beyond ridiculous. That's why I asked about the orgasm yesterday. It should come today into tomorrow, then the thing will be forgotten. It has nothing to do with what it seems. It's just an exercise in human desire as the Romans so clearly demonstrated. The arena was going round the clock. And this is why it never ends. Do you really think anyone wants the horror show to end? They froth at the mouth with every bullet piercing flesh.

Everybody involved uses the actors and the drama as a sort of catharsis that, unfortunately, doesn't do the trick. Part of Pluto and desire. Does anyone here honestly care about Bhutto and the Pakistani people? Honestly? It's just another crime movie and they love it. look how the bored public lit up like a thousand Christmas trees.

It's the prurient desire of humans that leads the show and the attempt to find truth is horseshit.

I hate this people, but here I am. Part of it.

28/12/07 3:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

the abbot of a Zen temple said that what we loathed and feared in our enemy we had to first acknowledge within ourselves.

Simple truth. Next to impossible to achieve.

Who the hell knows where the truth lies?

Everywhere if we want it.

28/12/07 3:48 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The media and internet and blogosphere and everything else to do with our manipulated 'news' outlets seem to shift, re-group, and re-jig everytime you hit 'refresh'.

It's simple. Lies are exciting.

If only they'd see their own behavior. The spark that gets lit with each violent event and the subsequent game. We need eons of evolution to remap the brain so humans will delight in the truth as they now do in the lies. When the truth makes a good suspenseful story.

I am not worried about the criminals. I'm more concerned about the liars who think they're so much better but who feed off criminal behavior. And that's just about everyone.

28/12/07 3:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And it's so frikkin' predictable. Boom! the shot and the same old story.

I often feel out on a limb alone when these things happen and I witness the mob hysteria. I blame each and everyone who makes the overblown production more than the original criminals. What if the originals had no audience? I always end up talking about this more than the actual event.

It's misplaced longing and sexuality that latches onto the pain for orgiastic release like a sort of Dionysian rite, then is covered up by some pretended intellectual analysis. Just look at their eyes. There's truth there. Sad that it can't seem to be satisfied. Sad how people lie to themselves.

And what's worse is how they watch the TV and eat while taking in the blood and violence. that's why I mentioned the dinner bell yesterday. And they wonder why they're sick.

The root of human angst is not really that elusive. The cure is.

28/12/07 4:08 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

wow. Ninth and jm, this is a very deep discussion, deeper than you may realize.

The media and internet and blogosphere and everything else to do with our manipulated 'news' outlets seem to shift, re-group, and re-jig everytime you hit 'refresh'. Who the hell knows where the truth lies?

Profound, Ninth. Exactly right.

jm, if I can find it again, I will post it, but somewhere I read that we feed everything we give our attention to. Therefore, things that the powers that be would like to see continued, they promote in some way (via some medium or other) in order to keep the mob's attention on it. Stirring the pot.
I hope I can find it again... it indicted the Church as well as the State. Damn, it might have been on my laptop that died recently...

28/12/07 8:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I read that we feed everything we give our attention to. Therefore, things that the powers that be would like to see continued, they promote in some way (via some medium or other) in order to keep the mob's attention on it. Stirring the pot.

Joe this is one of my crusades. The feeding, the energy input, the desire for more and more. The mob mentality. The willing participation in the hoax. It's tough. We have to be aware of our environment but how much should we consume?

As I mentioned, the other day the top 6 stories were about death, Isn't that skewed? Not everything that happens is death. Why doesn't news reflect life?

My view goes further than blaming the powers. I think the people are the source and have created the world as it is today. There is something in us that craves the excitement of the painful and negative. There's not much we can really do except be aware of it and turn away from the scene of the accident when we can. People give in to the vulture in them. The carrion matter they enjoy so much.

The mob's attention is always diverted no matter who is guilty of causing it. I think this merits a lot of discussion. More discussion than the latest violent act.

I think it can be learned. The focus on the pleasing, inspiring, and the beautiful. People think it has to be "heavy" to be meaningful. Afraid of flight, maybe. It's hard to promote the good in today's environment but maybe with practice it can be accomplished. A blend is the accurate picture. Takes a little genius.:-)

28/12/07 9:19 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

Personally, I have no problem believing Al Qaeda exists. What I am not always convinced about is the degree to which it poses a threat to the so-called 'free' world.

No threat at all I don't think. What "freedom" are they going to take away? People's right to work, shop, watch TV? Because that's all that most do anyway.


I'm sensing a thread here:

That's why I asked about the orgasm yesterday. It should come today into tomorrow, then the thing will be forgotten


Everybody involved uses the actors and the drama as a sort of catharsis that, unfortunately, doesn't do the trick.


"History is a nightmare from which I'm trying to awaken" -Joyce

It's misplaced longing and sexuality that latches onto the pain for orgiastic release like a sort of Dionysian rite, then is covered up by some pretended intellectual analysis. Just look at their eyes. There's truth there. Sad that it can't seem to be satisfied. Sad how people lie to themselves.

I've store up this type of energy as it builds up and then express it usually over extended periods of heightened creative action. This is sort of what I was getting at with the Nietzsche quote from your last thread. Conserved and not squandered it can be used for great creative breakthroughs. I've been wondering lately if my real purpose isn't just to be an ecstatic vehicle of this accumulating energy. And to be so, "the ferocity with which one must handle oneself"...
And some of the real masters of this conversion are burning so hot they can use the negative energy too as fuel. I'm thinking of one of Michael Hedges songs, Phoenix Fire:


A healing fault is open now, crevassing my way
Something new will flower through the old decay
Angels of the media are radiant and clear
Tuning in, I siphon their fuel of fear

I scale across their veils of prayer, torn and televised
They reinject their vision; I see through their eyes

I think it's gonna blow tonight
My wings wanna glow up bright
I broke free from a deep desire
Stoke my phoenix fire

Cupid laughs as I reclaim my shiny golden spears
For a bell of love, melted down through the years

28/12/07 9:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Take the assassination for example. You see it, absorb it, and process it in your own way. I'm interesting in everything from a metaphysical perspective so that's where I go immediately. I never have been interested in blood on the streets and agony so I don't look at it. More-so in photos, but very carefully. It hurts.

Nothing will change if you go over and over and over the details, playing the game of who dunnit, since it probably won't ever be known. Looking at the bloody scenes over and over. Screaming about the rulers. Joining the rising mob tide. All of that won't affect anything, so people do it for pleasure.

The same energy could be rerouted from the mob ritual and even into a vein that could conceivably effect some social change.

It isn't really a question of wrong or right. For me, it's simply awareness. Self-honesty. It seems to me people might enjoy participating in the world and it's events from a learning position and ultimately to increase knowledge and wisdom. But you have to really put 2 and 2 together and exercise some self control.

28/12/07 9:32 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What "freedom" are they going to take away? People's right to work, shop, watch TV? Because that's all that most do anyway.

LOL!

"History is a nightmare from which I'm trying to awaken" -Joyce

Yes!!!

I've been wondering lately if my real purpose isn't just to be an ecstatic vehicle of this accumulating energy. And to be so, "the ferocity with which one must handle oneself"...
And some of the real masters of this conversion are burning so hot they can use the negative energy too as fuel.


Brilliant mpk. I completely agree. We must pursue this. It's like the greatest of magic tricks and the ultimate fool. The one who can transform the input for his own usage, thus welcoming all experience within reason.

"the ferocity with which one must handle oneself"...

I love this.

28/12/07 9:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Great lyrics.

Tuning in, I siphon their fuel of fear

Yes. Yes indeed. It's potent and usable.

28/12/07 9:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And again because it feels so good....

And some of the real masters of this conversion are burning so hot they can use the negative energy too as fuel.

28/12/07 9:46 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

JM,
Speaking of media, your interpretations of it are consistently astounding! I'm echoing Tseka here...

28/12/07 9:49 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

I think your interpretations often vastly enhance this conversion... revealing the source stream, freeing up the energy for all of us here in a big way. It's just awesome.

28/12/07 9:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Mpk, this is wonderful encouragement. I'm reluctant sometimes to speak because of the unusual nature of my perceptions but that is exactly the reason I should speak up. The idea of facilitating the conversion excites me to great heights. I love the conversion concept. Thank you once again. You always contribute substance of an uncanny magnitude with the added elements of surprise, feeling, and alchemical magic, speaking of conversion.

Oh this is truly wonderful. I feel fortunate.

28/12/07 10:00 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

On the other hand, you got flamed and derided for the very thing Mpk, Tseka and I are encouraging you in, over on Astroworld back when.

29/12/07 6:01 AM  
Anonymous Joe said...

What "freedom" are they going to take away? People's right to work, shop, watch TV? Because that's all that most do anyway.

OMG, can I use this as a comeback the next time some idiot whines about how "They hate us for our freedom!"??

29/12/07 6:03 AM  
Anonymous The Ninth Immortal said...

I hope I can find it again... it indicted the Church as well as the State. Damn, it might have been on my laptop that died recently...

Heh, everyone's laptop seems to be on the blink! Is that a sign that we should abandon the technology god?

Joking aside, have you guys checked out the online movie:

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

It addresses so much of what's been coming up in this conversation. Not least the staggering control over our perception of the world we live in by The Powers That Be.

Who be they? The usual suspects.

29/12/07 7:36 AM  
Blogger Lynn Hayes said...

JM, great article. What's your source on the partition data?

29/12/07 9:56 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Joe that flaming was incredible. Unforgettable. They're Politically naive. Terrified and confused. Cruel. The fear is tragic. The passion behind the hatred of me was a little scary, but then that's who they are. They're the ones who are left behind missing it. Some will catch up. All walks of life around.

I think it all worked out well in the end, though, and made me more determined than ever to state my case. My fault for being in the wrong place, although it's amazing that they missed who I am. But then that's who they are. It followed me to Pisces Chronicles so I felt it best to stop posting there. I'm better off at home. I always end up in central lock-up anyway because of my ideas. Hey! They're supposed to be the liberals and freedom enthusiasts!!!

The truth is, I do have a lot of strength behind my opinions and people don't like it. Accuse me of pushing out theirs, but it's up to them to believe in themselves. They can use me for that. I challenge everyone's thinking but it doesn't hurt to be accurate. A little less emotional and ridiculous. Maybe we wouldn't be in this political situation if everybody would wise up.

So in the end I have to thank them for helping me find myself.

LOL!!! On the freedom hate!

It addresses so much of what's been coming up in this conversation.

There's awareness at least. And they aren't as powerful as you think. That's the biggest part of the con.

29/12/07 2:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Lynn, I was meaning to relocate the source and I will.

The thing that tipped me off immediately was the 29 Gemini. It spoke loudly and clearly of the partition.

Another thing I didn't mention is the Saturn (9th house ruler) and Pluto conjunction at exactly 13* Leo in the 4th. More of the repeated pattern of tribal warfare. I think it all speaks of the coming times and border negotiations.

29/12/07 2:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

you got flamed and derided for the very thing Mpk, Tseka and I are encouraging you in

And do I ever thank you. I truly got lucky. The pain was worth it. It was a Pluto transit, BTW.:-) To Jupiter!! My philosophy.

The problem over there, and it's really universal, is that folks continue to blame the rulers for the world as it is. It's much deeper than that. That's why I'm talking about the partition and the tribal barriers so much. This is not the white man's doing, although he took advantage of it. The first and foremost sign of evolution and positive political change will be when this whining stops and the work really starts. It's the whole collective's fault and the finger of blame goes around and around like a wind-up toy. Changing this belief is challenging and frightening. Blaming others has been the easiest route since time immemorial. Naive, infantile, and holding up the works.

If one just steps back a tiny bit, studies it, and uses intelligence, the whole thing creates patterns that can be discerned and eventually understanding comes. Survival is the most powerful motivating factor and it has to be looked at honestly.

Until we evolve, people have to keep fighting injustice from the lower levels, with all the blame, terror, anger, and violence, but why does it always return? When the world gets to the source, including their own part in it (like my flaming with its personal hurts), perhaps some progress will be made.

29/12/07 2:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Joe, I still kick myself for one, being over there at all (not like me), and two, for staying as long as I did.. But I had to learn the hard way. And I found you.

The amazing thing is that when people look at things realistically and honestly, the fear diminishes. There's an indescribable satisfaction in seeing the entire integration. Just getting it. There has to be a reason people keep inflaming the fear in group ritual, so there's nothing I can do. But this also keeps them down and open to leadership abuse. Maybe that's what they want for now. This behavior makes me just as wary as the rulers', maybe more-so.

Knowledge with understanding is one of the greatest defenses in the world. The universal problem among astrologers, political experts, and so on, is the damaged ego that cries for healing. Making the perfect prediction, shocking the reader with some obtuse finding, and things like that. They go too fast. So they put that first, and the truth second. Actually the reverse would do the trick. The ego would find great satisfaction if it became secondary to truth. We all have a long way to go. Plus we're stuck with no recognizable savior, so knowledge could be the out. And honesty with the self.

This is Pluto in Sagittarius.

29/12/07 3:16 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

There's awareness at least. And they aren't as powerful as you think. That's the biggest part of the con.

The so called "rulers" have little real power. Most people have nothing to take away. Some people think they have something. What can you really lose? Some material possessions? Some tiny amount of money (tiny at least to "them"). So what. Why fear that? They can't destabilize the entire pattern or they go with it. Or how about incarceration? Using the court and penal system to oppress people is both legally a big prolonged headache and on any larger scale a financial impossibility. The jails are already bursting at the seams and overrunning budgets. If people would quit being afraid they would have real collective power. I don't see that happening right now though. The illusion is too strong. Eventually people's power will be handed back to them whether they want it or not, whether they fear it or not. It might take a cataclysm. Still, I don't think we (the smaller we who reads this blog) should fear that.

29/12/07 8:06 PM  
Blogger jm said...

If people would quit being afraid they would have real collective power

Mpk, why don't they believe us? Why won't they?

A cataclysm is highly unlikely. Evolution will do it. Almost all cataclysms have hit only a part of the earth, anyway, and they are very very rare. The tsunami was one, but no one seems to remember that.

I've said over and over that the rulership they fear is logistically impossible.

And first and foremost, the powers ARE the collective so they can never eliminate the whole lower stratum. So ludicrous to cling to this belief. The same way nature won't eliminate us. We ARE nature.

Omg, it's really so simple. But the fear isn't of the powers after all. It's the basic human fear of the unknown that comes with the package. It will remain always seeking a hook. Might as well be the government. Or maybe an asteroid.

29/12/07 8:26 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I still wish, mpk, that I could crack this egg. The false belief they've built. Creating a monolith where none exists. This lack of faith and the real belief that something is out to get them. Yes. Something is getting us all the time. A trillion bacteria attack us every minute. Viruses galore. The never-ending battlefield. Amazing. We survive.

I can't imagine what it will take to transform the universal fear into confidence and joy. Just can't imagine. Mutations, I hope.

29/12/07 8:32 PM  
Blogger jm said...

They can't destabilize the entire pattern or they go with it.

100% correct.

29/12/07 8:39 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

It's so interesting how this theme keeps popping up about fear. What you said about viruses etc attacking us in the millions every second reminds me that Americans have been conditioned to fear microbes of every kind, to the point of trying to wipe them out with germicides and anti-bacterial chemicals. Then we wonder why we're getting sick b/c these chemicals kill off the beneficial bacteria as well. We do well to cultivate those, with probiotics like yogurt and other fermented foods that humans have been consuming for centuries.

I know of a sex therapist who believes the same about STD's and HIV-- wildly exaggerated to control people's sexuality, or introduced into the population for the same purpose: control.

I'm beginning to think the list of bogeys we're supposed to cower before could be extended to infinity.

30/12/07 5:26 AM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Was L. Frank Baum ahead of his time when he wrote "The Wizard of Oz"?

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

There's that attention thing again.

30/12/07 10:14 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Exactly joe. I often use this example. If I place two pictures in front of you, one of a violent bloody scene, and one of a peaceful meadow, you know where the eye will go. I don't know the answer to this attention thing since we're wired for the negative. That's been proven in lab experiments. And also wired to perceive an oppressive entity "out there". Maybe discipline can rewire it but it takes conscious effort. The attention feeds it in a never-ending cycle. I'm sure you've just seen that in the last news orgy. I saw none of it, but the feeling around seems to be one of fear about the future again and no end to war and all, all fed by the endless images and fearful voices supposedly reporting the facts. I think we have to walk away.

I guess we give attention to what we have to but then again, maybe it should be questioned. If I see with my own eyes a storm cloud coming, I instinctively prepare, but if someones else tells me there is a huge threat and I can't tell if it's true or not, then what?

30/12/07 2:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I really don't think it's a conspiracy, the fear game. I think it's humans being human, maybe believing that if they stay afraid they are prepared. Or if they share the fear, they feel better. No one knows what they're doing. I think we're being driven by subconscious impulses. That's one reason I'm an astrologer. The map of the subconscious.

It could be evolutionary and we're in-between. The threats are changing. They used to be real. The sun used to scare when humans were highly superstitious. I think we are evolving from superstition and we have to catch up in the primitive circuitry of the body.

One theory I read attributes it to an ancient memory of being victims of predatory creatures. Now we're fleeing ? Hiding from ?

30/12/07 2:25 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

One thing I've experienced, if you raise your own vibration high enough you don't fear anything at all. I've been there many times. Even my even keeled vibration fears very little. I'm working on getting my even keel a bit higher still. It can be done, existence at this level. People have realized this before, but the shortcuts most apply only work temporarily, then not at all. We know how to do this, we have all the information but it takes constant work, and we have to change our lives.

The goal is to ride on the full rush of energy without being torn to pieces

30/12/07 5:30 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

We know how to do this, we have all the information but it takes constant work, and we have to change our lives.

Yes.
It is the first encounter with, "Do you trust?" that most find impossible to answer. Once you step into that river there is no return.

30/12/07 7:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes, I certainly do agree.

It can be done, existence at this level.

The only existence I want.

It is the first encounter with, "Do you trust?" that most find impossible to answer. Once you step into that river there is no return.

Hooboy, boy howdy, and hallelujah.

30/12/07 8:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think some are designed to live at this level to ensure the progress of the whole. It's these people's responsibility to live up to the gift. It's not hard to tell who they are. That certain separation from the pack I always sense even if in the middle of a crowd.

The goal is to ride on the full rush of energy without being torn to pieces

This is my view of life, You get on and ride it.

30/12/07 8:13 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

mmmm...."a voyage on a current"

30/12/07 8:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Uh-oh. Those with unusual eyes who see everything.

30/12/07 8:47 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

I think some are designed to live at this level to ensure the progress of the whole. It's these people's responsibility to live up to the gift.

I'm one of them, I'm working on it.

I'm working on getting the lighting set up in my place after the burn out. It's not that easy to have full spectrum CFL light at the intensity I want available. It seems like people would want the option to have full illumination, but it's not yet for sale as an integrated solution. :-) We can still do it ourselves.

31/12/07 4:25 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

Tseka said it's the trust...

Oh yes...

Maybe it's my Sun\Saturn, I have to build the structure first. The structure that can contain that level of energy without blowing apart. For my path, it's built on many levels, including the physical.

I forget, but I remind myself I remember somewhere the full song. Knowing that I carry what I can't currently access is enough. Before committing to the full flowering, I set the intention, the prayer: even if I forget or am spinning confused in space and time, in the window of my full consciousness I choose(chose) the trajectory, and it is carrying me.

31/12/07 4:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Your energy input is fantastic, mpk. What a gift. Thank you for everything.

it is carrying me.

Trust.

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