Sunday, March 01, 2009

The People

Power and Wealth
A Metaphysical View
Some folks say that "the people" are angels of a sort that are going to save humanity from the darkness. I don't know why, since half of each day proceeds in darkness with great success. The center of the eye is dark.
This is incorrect. We are all people. We create our societies and governments together to fit the requirements of the time. All of them are right. The commoners want to eat, have sex, make more people, watch TV, and die undisturbed. They didn't want the responsibility so they created the ruling class to get them their goods. Railroads, shipping companies, oil wells, manufacturers, etc., were built to help them live the lives they desired, and the suppliers became exorbitantly wealthy as pushers often do. Never mind as long as the common folk could continue unencumbered. Both sides take advantage of the other and together they make up the collective. Neither side is a victim.
"The people" are very similar in behavior to the rulers. Both sides have the same number of criminals. The same murderers, thieves, liars, cheats, and practitioners of cruelty. So overall, no one group is more deserving than the other.
Wealth is constantly in flux and moves in a rhythm of perfect maintenance. When too much moves in one direction, it eventually shifts to the other. At present, the elite have an excess as we know and the process of change is underway but it will take time and struggle. And there is no guarantee that life will be better. No class has done well yet. Humans have been remiss in creating good economic and political systems so far.
The problem in America now is Pluto in Capricorn and an unawareness in the leadership. Capricorn is constriction, so government spending with stimuli and big budgets won't work. Smaller government is the solution, and no amount of spending will make the wealth shift faster. It will gradually find its way to equity, maybe when Pluto crosses Aquarius, or when the time is right. Eventually the need for restriction will have to be recognized. There could be experimentation and failures along the way, but it will work out in time.
As ghastly as it might seem to some, part of the success will rest on the Republicans getting themselves together and being involved in the decision making process. That's what Pluto in Capricorn suggests. Their philosophy is also needed.

Let's take look at the current president's alignment with the status quo, and why it's the right thing for now and nothing to be afraid of. First of all, the Moon conjunct Jupiter in Capricorn trine Saturn on election day says that the establishment won, as it should have with Pluto at 0. It's not time yet for change and progressive transformation has to have an order to work against. The president's Saturn in Capricorn is a rise within the system, learning its rules, playing its game, and finding recognition, acceptance, and status. Status quo. Capricorn. Simple. His South Node in Aquarius is leading him away from the commoners and that's why he was raised by a Moon-Mars in Capricorn woman who was a bank executive, rising slowly all her life in the established business world. He then married a Capricorn, a corporate lawyer. Are you seeing a pattern? It's his destiny which will work out when Pluto gets to his Saturn and it's good to understand this. What he does or does not do will have no effect on the outcome. We have a long list of leaders to go through before wealth distribution is changed, and the movement is determined by all of us, including the establishment.
There's no such thing as victory over evil dark forces. They remain as part of the whole. We work with, around, and next to them. People align where they will and everybody has both within. The danger of those who deny their own shadows and accuse others is equal to that of the shadow figures in the open. Life is both. Shadow and light. Positive and negative are the two mighty forces that move energy in the universe.
So I suspect that there is not going to be any magic change. That comes over years and years as the earth transforms and she and her inhabitants adjust accordingly. The source of change is not human. We're part of a vast system that shifts with need, perhaps guided by cosmic forces, perhaps not. Power is probably evenly distributed throughout the entire system. The change being promised now is merely an advertising gimmick in view of the next election. The word is losing its meaning in the process. It's being mass produced and sold to all. Product on the shelf. At what price? Pretty high.
It all comes from the same source. The rulers come from us and reflect where we are now. We put them there. "The people." They won't change until you change, if that's what you desire. And still, wealth is in constant flux. No one keeps it.
Pueblo of Taos:Victor Higgins


Blogger chiron said...

Joni Patry has some interesting comments about the month ahead somewhat relative to what you have just written. Her site is worth a review.

1/3/09 9:41 AM  
Anonymous duCan said...

This is a very thoughtfully written post JM.

You wrote:
"It's his destiny which will work out when Pluto gets to his Saturn and it's good to understand this. What he does or does not do will have no effect on the outcome."

Question: Is his destiny tied up with the destiny of the USA, if so, in what specific area will this manifest?

" Shadow and light. Positive and negative are the two mighty forces that move energy in the universe."

I agree, we can't have one without the other. The brighter the light the longer the shadow.

Another excellent Sunday morning read.

1/3/09 11:52 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Thanks chiron. Will read.

I don't think his destiny is tied with the country's any more than anyone's. I believe completely that her destiny is tied to the whole collective and that the leaders are selected by the whole for specific tasks. The way his connection might manifest is that he will be diminished to just being a human in time and his own Saturn to Pluto says this is ahead too. So his destiny could be related with this lesson of reality and disappointment. I can't see it any other way. That's what this buildup is now I would think. It makes no sense since he's with the rulers, not a savior of the masses. The overdone tight fisted heavy handed rejection of criticism is a big clue. Why? With 70% popularity. Deep down they have a sense.

I've never seen a public more hypnotized than it is now. So I conclude that it's related to his Mars on US Neptune and all the delusions that are going down the chute at the door of Aries. The buildup of fantasy is too huge and obvious. His Saturn on our Pluto and the coming Pluto also indicate that failure and some real meaning of success is due, but I don't know where he'll be. I talked about it in the previous threads - his need for inner spiritual development. Saturn retrograde in Capricorn in the 12th is a lesson of humility coming through suffering, failure, and loss. He's had some, but more is ahead.

I think we'll part ways with the man and if people still love him the way they claim they do, they will let him seek his destiny whatever it involves, with or without them. There is the deepest inner search imaginable with this Saturn. A time of in depth solitude is a requirement.

Pluto rules his 10th so he's reborn in his life as he goes and catastrophic personal events are part of it. So Pluto on his Saturn will be the big transformation. Change is coming, but not yet. Partnership is his answer and after this he can pursue his real aims, while we might have a better understanding of why we can't get good leadership.

I think our destiny together is this lesson. After him when Pluto returns and the Capricorn conjunction comes, there is a possibility that good leadership will come. That can't be predicted. We do not have it now.

Dissent is being squashed more and more so there are some difficulties ahead. That's not to say that the crowd shouldn't enjoy their fantasy while they can, and those of us who are anxious to move on to reality will have to really hold our horses. As I emphasize, it will probably be when Uranus leaves. People can't continue to lose as much as they are right now and continue to worship men. Impossible.

Because people are not seeing their part in it and are continuing to blame the republicans, while expecting this man to fix it - it won't work.

My dream is that by the time Pluto returns, people get an education and undertstand a little about their country, the laws, and the economic system. The black and white dichotomy between the evil rulers and the good people is a recipe for continued failure.

1/3/09 1:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Well, I amend that. They could continue to worhip. It's like the Sun King and emperors who extracted everything from their people by divine right. People have been nothing but gullible. I do think that this is a time of seeing through a bit of this and people keeping something for themselves. It's largely a matter of self-respect which is something the people need to gain by getting off their knees in supplication. I believe they will.

1/3/09 1:16 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

People can't continue to lose as much as they are right now and continue to worship men.

Amen. And everywhere I look the message is of Capricorn. Constriction is already here and more is coming. I've been dumping everything I can of my extraneous personal possessions. Even stuff I've kept for years for sentimental value. I just got a big message that even this is not enough. Even more is required of me to leave behind. I picked up a book this weekend, the title "Broken Open" resonated with me. The author "Elizabeth Lesser". Lesser...!

1/3/09 1:19 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

They could continue to worhip. It's like the Sun King and emperors who extracted everything from their people by divine right.

I think they will continue to worship but more and more will turn their energy from men back to the divine source. The only real solace when total confusion and crisis hits...

1/3/09 1:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yep, chiron. Joni and I agree. She's pretty confident. I like that.

March 8th the Sun will oppose Saturn, and Mars will conjunct Neptune. This indicates a dark depression brewing due to undercurrents that begin to appear, revealing deceptions that are deep beneath the surface. Do not be conned by con-artists during this time. This is a depressing time.

I know the depression is there right beneath the surface which accounts for the desperation and pushback against the opposition which is getting quite intense. So maybe the feeling is about to surface. I'm banking on the full moon in Virgo for a big step. The con artists thing is right and I'm concerned about the Jupiter-Neptune conjunction but that could well be the turning point. Pluto opposite Venus in sttion is going to contribute the next two months.

Nobody changes unless they have to, and now we all have to change.

Very interesting. It's like inventors in different places coming up with the same idea at the same time. We all know this truth, but for the two of us to print it together is a clue. Thank you Chiron. We're on our way.

1/3/09 1:29 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

People fear so much to lose, myself included. But if you don't have responsibilities, and are able-bodied and minded, then zero is freedom. It really is. I still hope I can reap a modest reward from the work I've done over the past 9 years, but nothing is really ever guaranteed. It's best to believe in the intrinsic value of our day to activities regardless of money or possessions. If that isn't there, then we're gambling on a future that may never be.

1/3/09 1:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Elizabeth Lesser". Lesser...!

Ha ha!! Magic again.

I think they will continue to worship but more and more will turn their energy from men back to the divine source. The only real solace when total confusion and crisis hits...

Nice, mpk. Thank you.

1/3/09 1:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

But if you don't have responsibilities, and are able-bodied and minded, then zero is freedom. It really is.

I could not agree more.

It's best to believe in the intrinsic value of our day to activities regardless of money or possessions. If that isn't there, then we're gambling on a future that may never be.

This is the crux and the point of the Pluto opposition to Jupiter coming up. The gambling on future security that makes for loss in the present. Now they've lost the future too. We've gone too far and the constriction has to come. That's why this government spending is in the area of psychosis. Throwing money away. People could be ready for something else. It's going to be interesting. As I say so often, Pluto is just getting started. The squeeze has only begun.

1/3/09 1:38 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Kinda of like those 401k's they've been pushing on us in the last few years. As I've increasingly been realizing, there is *no* guarantee that all the money they keep telling me to plunk into this damn thing will be available to me when I need it, not when the moneybags can simply re-write the rules so they get to keep more and I get less. What a scam.

1/3/09 1:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Joe!! You got it Bro. We have been HAD. The masses have always been gullible. Easy money and snake oil. This is the test now. Interesting under this Pisces Moon. Some are getting it. Almost. When they get the current one, we'll be there.

1/3/09 1:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The end result is back to our own responsibility and management of our own finances. Caution, prudence, and major sucker awareness. This is a great test. The current mesmerization factor.

1/3/09 1:50 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's in the air ...

The idea that top-down assistance can be effectively handled by the federal govt' is the real crack-head thinking. But that's not surprising, since this is a nation of addicts, and really not a lot of us care who we have to bomb to get our next fix.

This systematic economic meltdown could be a good thing if it gets people here to reassess their priorities. It could be a good thing also if this country is too broke to maintain its hundreds of military bases worldwide.

Let me put it more succinctly: I don't want to participate in a mature debate about what the top can do for the masses. I want to participate in a passionate debate about what the masses can do for themselves.

I don't trust any power, electrical or human, because concentrated, either one can kill you.

1/3/09 2:27 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

Joe, JM thanks again. I just had the realization that I'm going to cash out my meager 401K now and take the penalties. It will enable me to pay off my house now. None of that money is insured. It would put me at the proverbial zero. Freedom. I'm going to see about this tomorrow.

1/3/09 2:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Mpk, yes. You have the makings for incredible spiritual gain. Innate wisdom. And courage.

I felt something several years ago so strong I couldn't fail to act. I sold my stock market holdings and paid for my house in full. It's wonderful. I subsequently cashed in all my investments, bought some silver, and started living like a monk again. My health improved.

Zero is the start of everything. The others will be in minus and you'll have a real future.

Zero is necessary for enlightenment.

1/3/09 3:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The fools will be waiting in the Promised Land while the bottom drops out in the real world. Pluto in Cap is already interesting.

House of cardboard shacks.

1/3/09 3:14 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The discussion of depression is an important one and I think that's one of the first places Pluto is headed considering the phenomenal anti-depressant use in this country. It was rampant during the prosperous Clinton days so that's a clue right there about our dissatisfaction with material gain.

We have to face and feel it. Cancer is an emotional sign, or shall I say an emotional wreck, quite often. I'm a Cancer but I don't have depression with My Moon in Sagittarius so well aspected.

The US has a Moon in Aquarius and as much as many like the sign, it does tend toward depression. As Pluto digs into our Cancerian psyche, the Moon will be receiving Neptune, so ideally our unhappiness can be revealed and understood. Pluto strips, so the attempt to escape and hide from our depression might cease to work. The new president is being use as an anti-depressant, so I would watch how that unfolds.

As I say, the new moon in Picses was a bout with illusion and hope, but the coming full one with Saturn in Virgo is a chance to see more clearly and from these encounters, the healing of the American psyche might gain traction. But the sadness and emptiness must be experienced. I think that's the point of the economic loss and another kind of fullness is waiting at the end.

1/3/09 3:24 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

That's a good idea, mpk. It's one thing I *can* do. Mine is also meager but even that would allow me to pay off the last little bit of credit card debt I have.

I wonder if IRA's are subject to the same lack of insurance as 401k's. "Insured by FDIC" up to a certain amount, but if the Feds went broke to pay for all these wars and the bankers' lavish lifestyles, then there isn't much point, is there?

Wish I understood all this banker lingo.

1/3/09 3:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Wish I understood all this banker lingo.

They bank on you not understanding.

1/3/09 3:27 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

They sure make it hard to take it out. I'm going to have to call tomorrow and find out how to do it. On an IRA you have to pay all the income taxes on it and a 10% early withdrawal penalty. I just calculated that the 10% penalty is offset by the interest I won't owe the bank on my loan if I use the money to pay it off. This works out well for me.

1/3/09 3:41 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think that's a good decision mpk. People so often quibble about the gain, but now just avoiding loss is the issue. If it's even, you still gain emotionally and psychologically, and probably even financially in the long run. Real estate goes on its own path. Getting your money locked into other people's hands is a big risk. Bondage is not enjoyable I've found.

Being out of debt, sole owner and master of your life is the best.

1/3/09 3:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Getting control of my finances was one of the greatest experiences I've had. I think that's why people are clinging so desperately to the leadership and I have to understand. Every twist and turn is like a knife when their investments are locked into failing entities. This should be a lesson for awhile at least.

1/3/09 3:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...


The establishment is going to really up the ante. Everything they do, and that includes everyone in the current administration, is geared to getting your money and trying to save the system as it is now. They will be playing countless tricks, many deceptions afoot, and some of us are seeing them, others don't want to.

Those of us who think Pluto will do a smashing job are aware and might consider the possibilities ahead with this system. It's tough. If we extract our money, the system fails. If we let them keep it and manage it, with the same cast of characters that destroyed it, it probably fails as well. Really tough.

The cards fall where they will but I find it helpful to be discerning. Full Moon in Virgo and the rest of the Saturn transit are there for good reason.

1/3/09 4:11 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

Rot Roh. Wonder if there is any truth to this rumor.

"Sources at the United States Embassy in Beijing China have just CONFIRMED that the United States of America has tendered to China a written agreement which grants to the People's Republic of China, an option to exercise Eminent Domain within the USA, as collateral for China's continued purchase of US Treasury Notes and existing US Currency reserves!"

1/3/09 4:48 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There is some deal going on and more to come with China. Jeeze.

1/3/09 6:56 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

I think the jig is up. They can't take your money if you don't give it to them. If the chips start falling faster, I think they will eventually try to prevent people from taking it out completely from Wall Street. That would really get the chips flying. I don't need to play their game and I think more and more people will start feeling the same way. They call it a crisis of confidence and it is. But they haven't shown any reason to restore anyone's confidence. I keep hearing they plan to finance the endless bailouts with money from "our children and grandchildren". Nobobody is going to play this game if that is the case.

1/3/09 7:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Mpk, so well put. It is indeed a crisis and it's mounting. You are right. They are going to try to keep our money and the people are going to rise up.

The transit across Cancer with the SN coming means that they will attempt to perpetuate dependency. Pluto in Cap means big government squeze. They're getting ready. It's all in the cards as we realize the game and start to grow up. It's going to be wild. They are desperate to prevent what you just decided to do. They will protect their wealth at all costs. It's natural.

You are correct about the future generations and I have some things to say on the subject. Forthcoming.

No one can get us out of this fix but ourselves and there will be trouble. But it's designed to get to Capricorn maturity. The sooner the better. If people aren't riled up yet they will be soon. It's necessary. It's kind of a survival thing. Aries, you know. The long Venus retro is part of it.

1/3/09 7:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I don't need to play their game and I think more and more people will start feeling the same way.

That's exactly why I've been speaking up. Encouragement. I play my own game.

1/3/09 7:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You can start paying attention and piecing it together. Everyone should have known with the bank bailouts. And all the little e-mails telling the masses who spent fortunes they didn't have electing this man, that the plans for this new great America are here. Our future is certain, change has come and it is good. All for the next election.

Then the manipulative speeches telling us how understanding the government is. "Oh, I know. It will be hard, but America is great and ready to lead again."

Yeah. We're busted, depressed, and if anyone is sure about a secure and magnificent future, I'd like to take what you're taking.

I am still an optimist and things will work out but not exactly tonight. And the mooseshit gets tiresome.

1/3/09 7:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Joni is a little emotionally extreme so it probably won't be as bad as she says, but I think some extreme dosages of reality might be needed in the face of all this Neptune. We definitely need remedies and the pols don't exactly carry doctor's bags. I used to rail againt the Gloomers, but now I find them enjoyable! Times have changed.

A little more on the period of depression which we're now entering. This is different from the Great Depression when the country was more naive, dancing away their sorrows. I think we lost that after WWII and in the last part of the century, after numbing by television and all our other addictions, plus the disgusting war in Nam, and then the all of the recent stuff - we're in a different type of depression, deeply emotional. Material accumulation has failed us as a people, so we're at a good point for change. And within depression are some of the greatest joys. But I don't see any point in running from it now. We can't. It'll be worth it.

A lot is going on around our Neptune and how to weave fantasy into our lives in a constructive way. We don't have to pay brillions to the movie industry, for example, to get our fix. They just spend it ripping up their bodies with plastic surgery and other joys. We can make things up ourselves. We might have to.

1/3/09 8:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We'll have to make things for ourselves, too, I imagine.

2/3/09 4:14 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

Shows what I know... I have to quit my job to have access to the funds. I guess they have me a bit longer.

2/3/09 8:32 AM  
Anonymous duCan said...


SUNDAY, MARCH 01, 2009
Obama and the US Education System; Getting the Measure of Obama.

DHARMARUCI has written an excellent piece over at ASTROTABLETALK.

2/3/09 10:28 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Yeah. Making things. What an idea!

Mpk, they really have us. The economy will recover and they'll go back up.

Thanks chiron!

2/3/09 1:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Good one, chiron. He was paying attention. Glad someone was.

The speech was full of platitudes, many lies, vague promises, and the usual thing we get from him. Promises and cliched emotional tricks. He's still campaigning. As an entertainer I know these. Many repeats, and DR is right. He's not radical. I also think he's not really progressive. He tries to please people or do what he needs to do for political gain. His preservation of the status quo is obvious if you really listen to what he says, and most of all, what he does.

People don't listen. they hear what they want to hear. They hear "lobbyists" and "main street" and things like that and they react primitively. He's not really saying much of anything, but we're not going anywhere just yet, so it's OK to stall at this point. We're in free fall and there's nothing to do.

I'm sure he'll remain popular, but maybe in time people will realize that problems do have to be solved and they might get a little more discerning when he speaks. He has emotional control which is very very hard to wiggle out of. He plays he crowd. He's mastered politicianspeak.

There's a real obsession in progress (his elevated Neptune in Scorpio), everybody trying to figure out who he is. It's funny. Some say he's the incarnation of the future and all the goodness of the coming Aquarian Age or heaven, itself,, and some say he's an ordinary politician, rather conservative. I don't think they'll ever know. Neptune in his first is veiling him. People are going to project all the way. I think he's basically providing an entertaining interlude. And the powers are delighted with his mesmerization of the masses. They want to keep us down and drugged. Will they? Find out in the next installment.

I count on the truth eventually.

2/3/09 2:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

As your guy said. He's a figurehead. He's following orders. He's a carefully packaged and advertised commodity, and we, being Americans, are eager to purchase.

No one's in charge.

2/3/09 3:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

People are on edge, but this will pass. Even though we have a long way to go in solving our economic problems, there will be highs and lows within. There's still a lot of denial so it takes intensity to strip the pretense.

It doesn't matter who you love, who you hate, who you trust and believe in and who you don't. The same thing is going to happen as Pluto returns.

I believe it could be time to grapple with the negatives, face them squarely. Accurate criticism is ideal.

Saturn in Virgo is extremely critical (everyone's enjoying it now, it seems) and it's there for a very good reason at this crucial point. We don't have much left of the transit, it leaves when Uranus goes into Aries, and it's a golden opportunity.

2/3/09 11:11 PM  

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