Monday, February 16, 2009

Employment in Turn of the Century America

There's always work if you're diligent. This job is for the enterprising, but the benefits are pretty bad. The market never dries up, however, and the hours are flexible. And if you'd like to cheat on your taxes it can be done quite easily.

80 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm one of the millions of Americans out of work, over 50 and not sure how this is going to work out. I remain hopeful that even if I don't make it to a better spot, the country is on the right path. It's uphill, no question, but the focus is on doing it together, and that feels right.

Obstruction comes from all kinds of places, not just the likely, as you mention in your post. I am amazed at how quickly those who dubbed him god-like are now slamming him. I had thought the obstruction would come from the Rush Limbaughs, etc, though they are happy to witness the dissent and pray for Obama to fail.

No, Obama can't walk on water but he is very busy doing a very thankless job masterfully. If we can't actually HELP here let's at least encourage progress, eh?

m.

16/2/09 7:58 AM  
Anonymous dble aries said...

Obama is doing a job masterfully. He is achieving a masterful job in CHARADES. Speaking, on a new campaign blitz to the 60% of the adoring public. Take a closer look on who is standing beside him, behind him and you will notice who he is really talking for. Slamming him quickly, will bring those people and polices, faster out of the shadows.
I feel like I am swinging from a rope on that Sequoia Tree, but my frustrations keeps my swinging momentum high. However; I am coming to the conclusion that I can wait until the pendulum comes to a balance, and this administration will hang itself. The voices of opposition will get louder, and we will realize this administration's style will not work for us. We are still being governed by very wealthy people, that are politically motivated, and have not a clue what our real world is like. I am capable of waiting, "reminding myself", and these theatrics will play themselves out. I was one of those that believed in Obama, but have recovered from the shock and now off the Excedrin!

chiron
Thank you very much for your interpretation of Obama's chart. I appreciate your time in giving us more information. Personally, I believe his abandoment issues, are bigger than what he projects.
Also I cannot believe that Bill Clinton's standing in the Presidents has moved UP from number 21 to number 15. America, what are you thinking?

16/2/09 1:20 PM  
Anonymous dble aries said...

Anonymous
I hope you find a job soon, and one that pays well with benefits.
We are all in this together, your pain is our pain. Your progress is our progress too, for all generations.

16/2/09 1:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

M

We project onto all authority figures (ahem, Obama) that which we refuse to wrestle with in our own orb.

You said that and I agree. It works both ways. Some project the need for a parental figure to fix things for them and that's what the country is learning about now. The separation has to come and it will as Pluto tranits the Cancer stellium. Some of us are ahead of the curve, and later on you'll be glad for us.

For me "progress" is facing the depth of our political decay rather than continuing the coverup, even if it means a temporary setback. Obama, himself, gave directions to disagree without being disagreeable. I think it's important to him to have opposition.

You seems like a good and reasonable person, so I want to ask you a question in all seriousness. With most of the country enthusiastically loving and supportive, why do you ask that I betray myself and join you? Would it really make you feel better if I abandon my principles, even if it makes no difference? Why are you continuing to poke at me to get me to be like you? No one will answer me. Instead of emotional and needy responses, which I do, too, I'd like a clear answer to this question using the intelligence I know we have. If I decided to abandon myself I would need an extremely strong argument.

I believe that I can help my country best by being authentic and by participating in the democratic tradition of holding my own views and speaking up. I really and truly want to know why you think this is wrong.

What if it turns out I'm right? How would that make you feel having been responsible for forcing me to follow you?

There are quite a few progressives who think Obama is leading us on the wrong track. I happen to think he is representing the interests of the ruling elite now, and that someone has to represent those of us who are losing ground. It's always this way. It won't change. This country never has 100% support of leadership. It's totalitarian and presents another set of dangers.

I support progress as much as you do. I perceive it differently, and I feel I would be going against the interests of my country by following you. Why is it so important to you, since I have zero power? But I will do as you say and encourage progress.

I'd really love an answer m.

16/2/09 2:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL! The Excedrin!

America, what are you thinking?

Heheh. I can't follow their ups and downs. All their polls. They're thinking about something. Mostly about what to eat next. But that's universal. We haven't evolved to the thinking phase yet.

I agree about mastery of charade.

Obama's victory was a massive advertising event and his PR team is pushing the whole thing now while they try to sell him as a strong leader who loves his people. Of course, the people are buying. That's what they do. They buy what they're told to buy. And these people are hucksters who live and die by the sword of big money. Everyone knows that. Obama is being manipulated. It costs a lot to buy into this game.

The world of politics is a dangerous cutthroat one and politicians are not intrinsically kind, gentle, and caring. Fact.

Obama is a politician. Fact. The most important thing to him now is his political survival. Yes, he has a vision and would like to change the world, but it's highly unlikely right now. Once caught in the criminal web, survival instincts naturally kick in. We are on our own as we always have been, and one day we will understand this simple fact. Until then we will be used by all of them for political gain. You all just signed away a trillion dollars not knowing where it's going. (Not you dble aries!) The lobbyists are in motion trying to get the money. Do you think it will really get to you?

I agree with you, dble, that the opposition must build strength quickly, and actually, the force pushing against us now is just what we need. Thank you to all you brave anonymusses who beat me in the schoolyard daily. Your services are appreciated. The bully prize will be yours. The real prize will be mine. And yours.

I am coming to the conclusion that I can wait until the pendulum comes to a balance, and this administration will hang itself.

It seems that this is the only way. We need a clear path at some point, and the people now are clinging for dear life not knowing the sensation of maturity and being on our own. The thought of being without leadership terrifies them, but that's where we are in reality. The politicians are trying to save their wealth. And stay in power. Period.

It will correct itself. I'd like to be part of the correction and that's why I'm opposing the status quo. It seems kind of foolish to rally behind that which has failed.

If this adminstration turns out to be a great success, it will happen with my opposition intact, so all of you who are worried, need not be. Support him if you want to - instead of maligning me. That's energy better spent, is it not?

Then on the other hand, if you have any tiny nagging doubts - let them rip. I don't know the future. It's the present I'm not particularly fond of, politically speaking. The bright spot is the independent thinkers, the intelligent, the honest, the creative, and the soulful. And there are plenty.

16/2/09 3:36 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You're right about the abandonment issues, dble A, and they're being visited now with Pluto opposite his Venus. Our own abandonment issues are being reflected. Interesting how the last president also had Saturn in the 12th. In the opposite sign - Cancer. The parental axis and the collective.

I guess I should do an article. People want to know but are afraid to see. Such a quandary. I wanted to forget the man, but it looks like I'll need a quintuple bypass to achieve that. And I don't have insurance. So I guess I'm stuck for the moment. And I guess it's for the best.

16/2/09 3:58 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

A bit of posting on the holiday for many i see. Thank you dble aries. Sometimes timing is everything. My response to anonymous was ill timed, since it was my personal observation and the first response should have come from JM. I had just finished reading about the proposed “Fairness Doctrine” coming from some Democratic quarters proposing that the government monitor the fairness of talk radio. I was cheered to see Camille Paglia stepping up to remark “I don’t get it…what are my fellow Democrats doing? Not for one second should the government be wandering into surveillance of, monitoring of, the ideological content of talk radio…They’ve totally betrayed the soul of the party, to even mention this. Every true liberal Democrat should be speaking up in defense of talk radio, no matter how heinous they may think the thoughts coming from Rush or Sean Hannity are… It’s immature for people of one political party to try to squelch and erase the thoughts of another. In fact it strengthens a party to hear an opposite view.” My tepid response to anonymous in defense of the openness of this blog followed. I continue to remain in contact with, and e-mail a small circle of like minded liberal posters, many gay and/or older women and/or blacks who felt censored or demonized on other liberal sites, including sites dedicated to astrological insight or light workers. Many feel frustrated by the forced attempts to pander to the ‘party line’. Frankly, It is quite dangerous. That said, my apologies to JM for the gender assumption. And assumption it was indeed. JM I believe that there were several reasons for that. First, your initials, 'JM'. I Don’t know why but I correlated those with the name Jim. Then your online profile is absent gender. I suppose your stated interests should give it away, but since I myself drudge the housework and also sew a bit, to me it was a non-sequitor. On astrology blogs I tend to read the articles and not the comments so, you are correct in that you pro-offer a writing style that sometimes seems less inclined to be feminine than direct, an Aries trait indeed. And one last thought, the photos and illustrations you use seem somewhat more masculine to me; i.e. the recent locomotive. All appropriate, but impress me more as a choice more men might select than women. But isn't that all just blind assumption on my part! But hell I should have focused my psychic side on the topic or explored the site in depth more than I have before serendipitously changing your gender .

16/2/09 8:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Chiron, some might object to your bluntness, but maybe it's necessary to penetrate the barrier. It's going to take a lot. I think they want it but are afraid. I'm so sick of lies at this point that the truth crashing through is a relief even if a bit rough. Many do not comprehend Uranus in Aries, but as I've mentioned, I have a Mars-Uranus square. Cells will burst if the truth doesn't.

The comment from anonymous was cruel and laced with the emotional brutality that pervades public life. The personal hate masks any truth that could be there. It was good to see people respond so enthusiastically. Not everyone has an appetite for that. I didn't mind at all the chiming in before I arrived. My first impulse is to ignore these assaults, but I guess Pluto-Mars has something else in mind. And maybe we'll need to band together in the coming days. People are worried and tense out there. A new kind of fear. The days of Bush might soon seem like nursery school.

Omg, Chiron. You are one of the very very very few who understands the Fairness Doctrine and how wrong it is. What a relief. So glad you're here. So glad you understand what we're up against, as dble A does. Aries often do. They see through the sham and hypocrisy.

Not for one second should the government be wandering into surveillance of, monitoring of, the ideological content of talk radio.

What's next? And obediently the people swallow it all, still on their knees. I think the soul of the party was betrayed many lifetimes ago. That's why, more than ever, I refuse to betray myself.

I never thought I'd see the day when speaking up is actually dangerous and it's beginning to feel that way. So I might need allies. People don't understand democracy and they deserve to lose it if they don't defend it. I never in my life experienced such pressure to be a sheep. The scent of dictatorship. I agree with you that pandering to the party line is dangerous. I'm totally opposed to one party rule.

including sites dedicated to astrological insight or light workers.

These are some of the most self-righteous ones online. Moral superiority. Exactly like the Christian Right. The "evil" they think they are so above. That God protects only them so they can exclude and hate who they want to but being "light workers" makes it all right. Don't get me started.

Thank you for changing my gender, Chiron!! Your psychic side was absolutely right. I'm becoming a man in this incarnation and I love it.
Feel free to say what you want in any way you want.

16/2/09 9:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

"You seem like a good and reasonable person," I meant, m.:-) Yes you is.

16/2/09 9:28 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

A Mars Uranus Square is also a feature of my own seven planet, cardinal, angular T square. Couple that with a 1st house Mercury in Sag in a tight bi-directional quincunx with Uranus and you should be cautious in saying "Feel free to say what you want in any way you want." You just might get it.

16/2/09 10:20 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL! I knew there was some Sag there! 1st house Merc. Ha ha! So tell me. What's where?

Seven Cardinal planets!!!!!!

I have Uranus in Gemini in the 3rd square my Mars and the urge to say what I think is almost unbearable. I'm coming to the point where I have no more choice in the matter. I must be my natural self and risk the consequences. What I'm counting on is this ....

The massive cardinal pile-up ahead with Uranus just might make my aberration more acceptable. I have 4 cardinal planets and I'm already feeling more at home in the times. I think more than anything else, cardinal wants forward motion. They want something to really happen. That's what I suffer from all the time. Nothing's happening out there. The ruts are infinite. When I saw Saddam Hussein's statue fall 5,000 times in a weekend, and the people followed it every time, I knew we were stuck in an impossible place. Maybe soon we'll stop spinning our wheels.

I also have Moon-Joop opposite my Gemini and I know the long-winded dance very very well. Words are magnificent and we are never at a loss. They've always said I'm good with words and I'm glad they feel that way. They're lucky.:-) I only say about one-quarter of 1% of what I want to. One fraction of the truth. A lot of truth is going to die with me. Maybe I should leave notebooks.

So Sag rising?

16/2/09 10:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Mars Uranus Square is also a feature of my own seven planet, cardinal, angular T square. Couple that with a 1st house Mercury in Sag in a tight bi-directional quincunx with Uranus.

Thank you chiron for the above. I am very curious about your gender and sun sign, I would be very happy if you would share this information. I picture you as a very strong male.
duCan

16/2/09 10:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The quincunx is my favorite aspect and I consider it a major one when in close orb. It's the most fascinating, and I think the potential of combining the qualities of the signs is great. I have a Cancer-Sag one - Sun/Moon- and I could write a book on what that means to me. Could be why the apsect talks to me so much. They're all rich.

What's been your experience? 1st house is big. Do you look like your Mercury?

16/2/09 11:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

DuCan!! You're up!

And your astro-info??

16/2/09 11:03 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There's a warmth and coziness to you, duCan, so I'm curious. Also some Neptune something or other.

16/2/09 11:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTIONS, JM:

Absolutely, totally, no, I don't want you to betray anyone least of all yourself. But I would take issue with your assessment of the country being loving and supportive -- I think people are freaking out (using the dow jones and unemployment figures as benchmarks) and the least thing can make a big affect (as per "The Tipping Point") The fact that I'm desperate and seaking assurance obviously lends me a different worldview.

Would it really make you feel better if I abandon my principles, even if it makes no difference?

No, not even a little.

Why are you continuing to poke at me to get me to be like you? No one will answer me.

Sorry, I gave up DSL at home a number of months ago and I only have internet access at the library -- so I haven't seen your response until now.

My niggling irritation was about the fact that the man comes from a place of conscensous building (his first book was very helpful here, did not enjoy his second, which felt like a campaign platform). He has it in his head that we all need to do this together, the dems, the republicans, the independents, the rich people, the poor -- everyone. I wouldn't have invited all those pols from former administrations into the mix but I see the benefit during the extraordinary times of getting everyone in on this -- it is our mess and everyone needs in, not just the people we like. He is a politician and has to start at the place of where people are, good people, even Hillary.

Instead of emotional and needy responses, which I do, too, I'd like a clear answer to this question using the intelligence I know we have. If I decided to abandon myself I would need an extremely strong argument.

I hope that answers your question. Thank you for letting me share.

m.

17/2/09 6:56 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

OMG more Uranus square Mars and merc in Sag here.

Well JM what do you think about this, more than just coincidence??


And agree completely about quincunx, an esoteric soul path.

17/2/09 7:26 AM  
Blogger jm said...

M

Thank you so so much for your response. I think this is the real way we can work it out no matter what the politicians do. If we get together and consolidate there will be more of a chance of getting them to cooperate.

But I would take issue with your assessment of the country being loving and supportive -- I think people are freaking out.

I think you're right and that's why the heavy emotion around him. Not many trust him down deep. It's too soon. But he's the one and they have no choice now. The problems are so vast. The people in the administration were part of the massive movement of jobs overseas and now we have the result. They can't suddenly correct it, nor do they intend to bring them back, so where can we turn? I think we'll work it out, but I also think it's important to be realistic about how and when. Plus the realization that the Democrats were just as involved is important, as they were in the Iraq decision. I think it's essential to criticize all of them for the things they do wrong. We're all out for ourselves. We have to be. So understanding is a big part of it. 1% having the wealth, though, is pretty out of whack and the fix will be hard.

I agree with the consensus building, but it might take some battle to get there. I agreed with a lot of his ideas when he was campaigning, which was why I supported him, but even though the arguments in favor of his appointees have merit, I felt betrayed. I expect all pols to break their promises, but he did it in a bigger way than I anticipated, and I was shocked. I can see that he's being controlled by the global financiers, but it could work out. Time will tell.

it is our mess and everyone needs in, not just the people we like.

I agree. And that includes Republicans. As you can see, the Democrats are as hateful as they are, so there is a lot to do.

Many of us haven't been through real economic hard times so an awakening could be ahead. It's one thing to lose a job and quite another when there are none to replace it. No one knows yet where it's leading. It's probably better if the people trust their leader, and I don't think my opinion will affect anything. So I might as well as keep it! It's one of the few things I have.

Even more important than supporting Obama would be an attempt to open a genuine dialog between the parties. Both refuse now. The hate levels need a lot of adjustment. They both want the other out of power, and as long as that game continues, we have obstructions all the way around to creating a good society.

People can almost always work things out. We do have a Saturn return in Libra coming up.

Thank you again m.

17/2/09 1:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Coincidence? Is there such a thing???

Love that Merc in Sag, as you well know!

You have Uranus square Jupiter in Aries, along with yours. No wonder. Pluto's in the teritory, and soon Uranus will be. I think we're just trying to get ready in order to survive the thing. Make good use of it, speaking of creativity. Forewarned and intelligent.

17/2/09 1:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi jm:
Sorry I missed your Q last night. I went to bed right after posting. You are right about Neptune, it trines my sun, Uranus trines my Mars/Venus, Saturn trines my Mercury.

I never met a Sag I didn't like. My Dad being one. Three of my closest friends are Sag with Mercury in Sag.

jm and Tseka: I would like to hear more on Quincunxes. My experiences with them seem to require some type of sacrifice either by me or the people I am dealing with. Thanks.
duCan

17/2/09 3:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really appreciate your calling me out, JM ... thank you.

If you would, please tell me more re:

I agree with the consensus building, but it might take some battle to get there. I agreed with a lot of his ideas when he was campaigning, which was why I supported him, but even though the arguments in favor of his appointees have merit, I felt betrayed.

I should have simply asked you more about this rather than get passive aggressive on you, truth be told. I just don't see it; I see him working diligently and deliberately (such a good mars in virgo) and on a practical level -- everything had to shift once evidence of the economic quagmire became known.

mm.

ps: Eric Holder in Justice is a great appointment and we'll see huge changes there immediately. What GWB 43 did to our Justice system is CRIMINAL in my mind and we're already witnessing the progress, viz outlawing torture, git-mo closure (though that's a year off). I'm very happy for that along with certain SEC charges against those who've stollen millions and destroyed our market's credibility.

17/2/09 3:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

DuCan, I have so much to say on the subject of the quincunx that I should probably write a piece. I haven't found sacrifice any more pronounced in this aspect than any other. The natural wheel puts the aspect on either the 6th or 8th house, so crisis can be a part of it, and health as they say, but I find them to carry exceptional talent and great potential for productivity. There is something unique about the relationship as the aspect is almost an opposition, but carries a special thrust right before that point. Thus the potential energy. It can be otherwise, though, as all aspects have plusses and minuses. So the tension can overrrule. But there is a natural urge within the aspect to develop the talent, I find.

I think solving of deep psychological dilemmas and systemic problems (6th-8th) is a possibility, not only though analysis, but by the development of the talents described.

For example, take Gemini-Scorpio. Psychological mind-bending obsessions are always a possibility as with all Mercury-Pluto contacts, but here we have a huge capacity for research, undercover investigation (good for investigative reporting), healing through the mind, and for uncovering the mysteries of life in general. The tension of the aspect I think increases the potential for development.

My friend has Neptune quincunx a Gemini MC, Pluto in Virgo, and Mars conjunct Mercury in Scorpio in the 3rd, a repeat of the Gemini-Scorpio theme. She has had great success as a research scientist in the health field. Surprising success. It's been the brightest spot in her otherwise troubled life. So rather than sacrifice and hardship, I believe quincunxes might be the opposite. A synthesis with excellent results.

Some of it might be attitude and conditioning which is why I caution against believing what astrologers say when it sounds like cookbook interpretation. The quincunx is a wonderful aspect for me and when I speak about them my joy comes through. Same with squares, really, only not quite so joyous.:-) But all aspects have good qualities and repeating the positives can affect your thinking and ultimately your entire approach to problem solving. Instead of waiting to do what the planets say, one can take the planets and do a nice swing dance with them, no matter how they are aligned. It's back to personal power and authority. Where your orders are coming from. The planets are all allies in my text book. The quincunx is tops.

If you have one or more, let me know what the signs are and I can get more specific.

17/2/09 4:49 PM  
Blogger jm said...

One of the reasons collective astrology seems to be more problematic is because the group has a tendency to slow down progress. Individually we can work quite well with tough astro indicators.

17/2/09 4:50 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Hey mm! I don't mind the calling out either! I'm guilty every minute. But I'm old enough to be accustomed to it. I hate to be beaten mercilessly, but sometimes it's the only way.

Mm, I'm going to have to disagree most emphatically about Holder. I think his justice department is doing some terrible things by upholding the torture rulings and secrecy that Bush instituted. I thought his FISA vote was just to ensure his election but now I think otherwise, and that he will be increasing the restriction of our rights, moreso as Pluto gets going. His secrecy is a big factor with his elevated Neptune square his Sun and I think he is highly deceptive. He is a tool of the current system no matter how hard people try to rationalize.

Now, in keeping with my previous post on using squares, if I had that square I would develop my artistic talent. But he's in the criminal world of politics so I do not trust him.

I do, however, trust life and the collective as a whole. This is why I'm so in favor of weaning you all from dependency on him. It will happen anyway. I'm just getting on the right side of things. He's not going to do it for you. Your expectations are unreasonable.

I just don't see it; I see him working diligently and deliberately (such a good mars in virgo) and on a practical level.

Yes, he's working diligently, but for whom? The usual tax breaks and all in the stimulus are old standards that have failed to work. So no matter how hard he tries, we have big problems here. Jobs are not forthcoming. The banks and corporations are the main beneficiaries and they are still failing. Once again, release from dependency on him would be a major plus for everyone.

Mm, he's going to continue the war on terror. He said so. And that means torture. He said so. The people in his cabinet are part of the ring of thieves that stole the money. And his transparency is an out and out lie.

But if you believe he's going to do these things, it might help you get through your disappointments and that's OK.

I pin my hopes elsewhere. I'm glad that I do, but then again, I have a solo destiny of caring for myself and working out my own problems. We're all different.

Some good things will happen, some not so good. Pluto has some lessons for the whole group, and by shortchanging them, you would miss the real rewards at the end. So I want to go down and get to the treasure no matter how difficult. No one person can stop that nor provide it. Obama is inconsequential. You will see.

This hapless nation is going to have to one day grow up and stop blaming George Bush and the Republicans. The problems started within all of us. Ask the Native Americans. Bush did us the favor of exposing them. As times get tougher he will be blamed even more, but I still have hope. More than you know. I really don't know why. Just my nature.

17/2/09 6:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Now...
Because I survive on my own as an Aries, I make my own decisions and trust my judgement. I have to, especially since my entire support system went the way of Plutonian destruction when Pluto transited my 8th house. Losing everything was the best thing that happened to me.

The bigger the issue, the easier the decision. I've made up my mind about the administration, but if it changes radically, then I will too.

In the meantime, the arguments are not likely to influence me. I came to my decisions through my own rational process. My initial enthusiasm was the irrational part. I feel that my own survival depends on being clear about this, so you can kick me, beat me, try to discuss it with me, or whatever you choose, I have sound and solid reasons for my stance.

The debate can be useful, though. Not everyone is as opinionated as I, and some adjustment might be a positive. So use me as much as you can and want to. I'm yours.

17/2/09 6:07 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

LOL. Did I strike an astroChord reveling my natal aspects? Yes my chart is high drama & many times my life has echoed that drama, although I particularly dislike when the open leg of my T square is transited by an outer planet.

Anonymous, I am male, didn’t I mention that? Or did I just mention being gay. A gay Scorpio male! Now who woulda thunk it, high drama indeed! But, strong is as strong does and there are times I do not feel strong, or at least the older I get I prefer to direct the strength more inwards in less dramatic fashion. Though I was quite a rebel, politically and otherwise, in my youth. The Sun is in the 12th square to Pluto, but in mutual reception. Yes JM I also am a Sag rising. The cardinal pile up will hit my T but not overly negatively methinks, but then again I long ago stopped prognosticating for myself. Even though I make a living in a profession other than astrology, I have also been a practicing astrologer for well over twenty years, yet wisdom dictates that one should never read one’s own tea leaves. JM you have Moon Jupiter opposite your Uranus? LOL My Moon conjuncts Uranus both squaring Jupiter in Aries. My Quincunx is bi-directional and seconds apart. It is also a Cancer Sag Quincunx; 1st to 8th. Aside from a sharp tongue, it bestows clairsentient gifts. My readings start with the astrology but then incorporate the Tarot, and then whatever flashes. It is the tightest of my natal aspects. Yes, I believe it a more crucial aspect than many astrologers have previously considered, at least in the modern era. Glad to hear you appreciate its’ force. The medievalists and the Hellenistics used it more proficiently. However the Magi have realized its importance and incorporated it as a pertinent feature in their many treatises on interpretation. They consider it a super aspect, but it depends a great deal on which planets are involved. It can be a blessing or a very hard adjustment. Following their practice, I also use declinations quite frequently, and feel that they add another layer of energy to natal aspects, progressions and transits. Analyzing any birth chart or any mundane situation for that matter is really unthinkable without their consideration included.

Sorry anonymous I do not see the consensus building, at least not yet. His recent efforts at bi-partisanship were scripted and he and his advisors were rather just going through the motions. As I described in the analysis I recently posted, there is an element of the actor in Obama. Others are seeing it now also. Here is a timely post from the DC Examiner that hits the proverbial nail on the head. http://www.dcexaminer.com/politics/For-Obama-its-more-about-showmanship-than-sunlight-39689777.html I also agree with JM and do not find the country particularly 'loving' right now. Look at the hideous reactions to the octomom. She needs counseling, not death threats. The Dems bear the weight of Iraq in partnership with W, as they do their share of the blame for the economic crisis. Today Obama shipped off 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan. Not smart. And my old friend Barney Frank is a hyopcrite to say the least. His lipstick was all over the Fanny Mae & Freddie Mac piglets. Bad Barney!

17/2/09 6:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

A gay Scorpio male

Not another one????? And a Cancer Moon. OMG. Moon-Uranus.

Yes, I believe it a more crucial aspect than many astrologers have previously considered, at least in the modern era.

I have a gift for you when I get back and lots to say in reponse to this great comment.

And Barney's frikkin' lipstick choice was the wrong color!!!!

Soon .....

17/2/09 6:32 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

There goes the neighborhood, says the other one. ;o)

17/2/09 7:08 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Joe, there are no coincidences....
It's unbelievable how these attractions to one cyberspot work is it not?

17/2/09 8:03 PM  
Blogger John from Taos said...

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17/2/09 8:23 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

"I wish folks would concentrate on stimulating our imagination in new, productive ways"

I'm guessing you missed the last conversation, John. We were speaking about nature just yesterday. Your enthusiasm would have been most welcome.

Ah, well. There is still time to contribute. The door seems to be propped open here at RU. For that I am thankful.

To reiterate...it is perfectly acceptable to be disappointed in the choice to kill fellow humans.

17/2/09 8:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Joe. :-)

To fall under the spell of the negative apocalyptic archetype is to lose full command of one's soul, isn't it?

Yes, but you know that's not what's happening. Calm down, john. You do have a tendency to exaggerate. Full command of one's soul is rather a tall order anyway.

I tossed it around in my mind and I've decided to continue my criticism of the president if the subject comes up. You are welcome to disagree, but that's where it stands now. The disagreement is healthy.

You might not like my blog, but I sure don't like this...

To reiterate...it is perfectly acceptable to be disappointed in the choice to kill fellow humans.

How many times must we repeat this? 17,000 more of our young people are being sent to kill and be killed in Afghanistan as the president, who we are lucky to have, just announced. Jeezeus, man.

17/2/09 9:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Thank you, chris.

17/2/09 9:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And I'll tell you another thing. I'm sick of this psychological claptrap about projection. We all project. That's how we recognize ourselves and learn. I'm rapidly approaching my limit with this bullshit.

17/2/09 9:49 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

ach...well. why your blog and ignore the beautiful conversations about art and nature and love as of late?
Frankly, my Taurus finds that rude.
Say what you want about politics, but don't claim we don't talk about creativity, because all facts point to the opposite.

17/2/09 9:55 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

oh yes. projection. it's like a child dancing around the playground: "I'm rubber and you're glue..."

never mind. those who wish to ignore details can be forgiven for doing so. pluto in capricorn will take care of us all and remind us of what we choose to be willfully ignorant of.

speaking of which, i actually have a giant splinter in my foot. it's starting to hurt. but there is something incredibly satisfying in digging it out.

pluto is now square my natal mars. splinters are everywhere but luckily i have a tweezer set for each room of the house.

17/2/09 10:00 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

A gay Scorpio male: Thanks for the info. chiron.

jm, Thanks for explaining the Quincunx. I do not have any Qs in my BC but did experience the effects of the Q when Pluto was in Sag.

On another note, I am wondering why so many planes are falling from the sky, is it something to do with Jupiter? Any thoughts on this are welcomed.

17/2/09 10:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

pluto in capricorn will take care of us all and remind us of what we choose to be willfully ignorant of.

Dig that thing out, man! The splinter, that is. Truth is coming from the hole.

Rudeness is interesting, isn't it chris? Talk about visiting in one's home.

pluto is now square my natal mars. splinters are everywhere but luckily i have a tweezer set for each room of the house.

I didn't know that! You and me both with Pluto-Mars. No wonder. You are a pal.

So People are telling me - no odering me - not to be myself. I should be like you. I should do what you say. I shouldn't change yet you are all screaming bloody murder for change. I'm wrong. I should repent. I should change, after all. I should be like you. I should dye my hair. I should talk. I should shut up. I should be like you. Everyone wanting something different.

Well, you know what? I can't please everyone. And you know what? I shouldn't try. So I should do what my Aries says and please myself. The absolute right thing to do. Be a true Aries Rising with a gorgeous North Node in the first house of ME!

If I do what you say ... I don't even want to entertain the thought. I've worshipped before. It was fun, but now is not the time for me, Jupiter-Neptune be damned!

And don't tell me I'm trying to get you to be like me. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, kind as I am.:-)

Individuality, man. Where did it go? Get me my uniform.

17/2/09 10:19 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Don't worry about the negative comments re: Projections jm. Today while surfing the web I found an Astrologer who was commenting on your piece 'Life is a wiggle' This is what she wrote:

Over at Raging Universe, JM has an interesting (as always) post on the opposition of Saturn to Uranus using Edgar Allan Poe's The Pit and the Pendulum as a foundation:

I hope this cheers you up. Other Astrologers are quoting you.

17/2/09 10:20 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yeah, the planes. It could be since Mars-Jupter is in airy Aquarius. But the crash, burn, and fall is worth investigating. I will.

17/2/09 10:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OH MY GOD DUCAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG in heaven. Thank you my dear friend. You can't imagine what this means. That piece was so important to me. One of my best. To know that others are receiving is a dream come true.

Omg. My heart is singing.

17/2/09 10:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That just makes my comment on being myself ultra valid. Life is good.

17/2/09 10:25 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

duCan. you are so kind. so. kind!
thank you!

17/2/09 10:30 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Here is a Ricky Nelson song for us all. Enjoy Enjoy

went to a garden party
To reminisce with my old friends.
A chance to share old memories
And play our old songs again.

When I got to the garden party,
They all knew my name,
But no one recognized me,
I didn't look the same.

Chorus:
But it's all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see, you can't please everyone,
So you got to please yourself.

People came from miles around.
Everyone was there.
Yoko brought her walrus.
There was magic in the air.

And over in the corner,
Much to my surprise,
Mr. Hughes hid in Dylan's shoes
Wearing his disguise.

But it's all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see, you can't please everyone,
So you got to please yourself.

I played them all the old songs,
I thought that's why they came.
No one heard the music.
We didn't look the same.

I said hello to "Mary Lou,
She belongs to me.
When I sang a song about a Honky-Tonk,
It was time to leave.

But it's all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see, you can't please everyone,
So you got to please yourself.

Someone opened up a closet door
And out stepped Johnny B. Goode,
Playing guitar like a ringing a bell
And lookin' like he should.

If you gotta play at garden parties,
I wish you a lotta luck,
But if memories were all I sang,
I'd rather drive a truck.

But it's all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see, you can't please everyone,
So you got to please yourself.

17/2/09 10:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Omg. Kindness. It's always there. We need both, but I got lucky speaking of being lucky. You are some fine folks. Some of the finest I've run across yet.
Wow, as they say.

Oh stop it!!!

17/2/09 10:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OH MY GOD!!!!!

I love Ricky Nelson! I have an entry with one of his songs all ready to go. This is amazing.

Mars-Joop is really in motion tonight. What glorious fun.

17/2/09 10:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

HA HA HA!!!

If you gotta play at garden parties,
I wish you a lotta luck,
But if memories were all I sang,
I'd rather drive a truck.


You have no idea, duCan, the ramifications of that.

Are all you Canadians so amazing??? Glad we're neighbors.

17/2/09 10:41 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

This is one of my favorite choruses. I sing it to myself when ever people try to control or get me to conform to their thinking. The chorus is my mantra. I am so happy it worked for you too.

I wish I could send you the You Tube version. I am listening to it and it is great.

17/2/09 10:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That's it. My mantra going forth with my Pluto-Mars rebirth. What joy. And Ricky, of all people.

I think I'll be singing soon. I feel it coming. Sweet and on key like Ricky. Laid back like a true Taurus, which he was!

Heavens.

17/2/09 11:09 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And john. Please don't stay mad. I helped you through some rough patches before and I will again. I love you. You know that. Politics can ruin the laughter, but it's temporary.

17/2/09 11:29 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Thank you Chrispito!
Good Night All

17/2/09 11:57 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Good night, you fresh Northern breeze!

18/2/09 12:23 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I think I should put up a sign atop Raging Universe: "Enter at Your Own Risk!"

18/2/09 12:48 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I long ago stopped prognosticating for myself.

OMG, don't do that! Especially not in public!

LOL My Moon conjuncts Uranus both squaring Jupiter in Aries.

Love it. I know that wild emotional nature well. We have some things in common, and you have a lot of tseka's stuff. Youse's Sag traveling bags are potent.

On to my gift.

Yes, I believe it a more crucial aspect than many astrologers have previously considered, at least in the modern era.
Chiron


I don't know if you've heard of the astrologer, Buz Myers, Chiron, but he was one of my original teachers and a big favorite. Very very good at blending traditional and modern. A Scorp with a Gem rising. I adored him.

He wrote an obscure pamphlet on inconjuncts and in it he said:

Inconjuncts are major aspects and I don't know how you can work without them in the chart. I think they are Uranian in nature. Just as the square was strongly connected to the Piscean Age, and we spent 2,500 years learning how to handle the square, the inconjunct is associated with the Aquarian Age and we are going to spend the next 2,500 years learning how to handle the inconjunct.

It is an odd and special aspect. He claims that we are learning how to realign the energies and use them in a new way in the quincunx. I was surprised to read your statement on the matter.

18/2/09 12:59 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I call the Cancer-Sagittarius quincunx the cosmic baby-sitter of the zodiac. It's the most tender protective people loving aspect possible. Other Cancer-Sag combos are like this too. We have the joy, openness, warmth, and generosity of Sagittarius combined with the sensitivity and emotional understanding of Cancer. We make wonderful, sympathetic friends always able to help others through their troubles and give them wise advice. Deep and universal emotional understanding comes with this one. We nurture and love the family of man. Planets produce variations, and Saturn can block, but the potential is the same.

Mercury-Uranus does it through nurturing communication and great perception and insight, although sometimes with a sharp truthful, occasionally shocking edge.

Cancer-Sag finds nourishment in religious expression. We feel naturally close to God with the Cancer intimacy. I'm nuts about gospel singing, myself. There's some preacher in most of us. So our job is to provide spiritual comfort to people. If ever there was a Holy Mother, we are it.

18/2/09 2:51 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

Thank you JM. That was indeed a gift. No I haven't heard tell of Buz Myers. Is the pamphlet still in print? The Magi speak specifically about Mercury Uranus Quincunxes. They become somewhat more powerful when they are bi-directional. When one of the planet is retrograde, thereby in progression they could remain in aspect for years. I detested my Pluto square Mars transit. Mars conjuncts my MC, ruling my 5th. A one two punch. I had several beloved pets pass during that transit a couple years ago, merciless & very heart wrenching. Ricky Nelson. Dear lord. I adored him for years. Always watched Ozzie & Harriet to swoon over Ricky & David. Very unappreciated these days for his music. But his sons are keeping his memory alive.

18/2/09 6:56 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Oh what a wonderful evening you all had, glad i could catch up this morning.

That Buz Myers quote is excellent. I think it is absolutely right - an evolutionary path. I know that people who have a strong cinqunx snyastry with me often bring the most beautiful and difficult lessons. Taurus and Cancer carry fragrance of divine for me (Sag). It's a unique vibration, true joy when we get it right.

Planes falling from the sky: neglect and age. Mostly neglect. We are rotting - Pluto at the end of Sag and Saturn in Leo opp Neptune in AQ , turned up the volume - while people hummed I don't hear you...now, we pay. Bridges collapsing, planes falling, electricity failing. The galactic core is the middle of the "river" the dark road of souls that runs right down the center of the Milky Way. Pluto and Charon, the ferrymen are now approaching the other bank. It's transformation for everyone.

18/2/09 7:30 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Chiron, very interesting about the Merc rx inconjunct Uranus. I wonder how large an orb that would be?

I have this alignment - Sag|Cancer. 5th /10th I never thought about the retrograde perfecting the aspect twice. Interesting.

18/2/09 7:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A gay Scorpio Male ... how am I to remember what I was going to say when I read such wonderful hilarious bits? I swear people crack me up and somehow loosing my mind doesn't seem quite so tragic.

As a Scorpio Moon I salute your most unique male self.

JM:

I shall look to Eric Holder more closely. Other than the Marc Rich scandal I was not aware of his nepharious ways ... he's been on the job for a month now and I assumed a certain amount of time to get his @#$% together ... way too early to make any changes and grade his performance, thought I.

FYI, I was born and raised in Washington in a Republican house, in a Republican neighborhood (round the clock secret service) --the only thing I knew was that the system was terribly broken. Spending so much time with the Kennedys one quickly learned they didn't have the answers either. What has finally hit home is this working together vibe that I witnessed first hand on the Obama campaign -- there's a respect for another's view and a new listening happening and I like that very much. I suppose that is exactly what you are doing here and I salute you and your ways.

mm.

18/2/09 7:47 AM  
Blogger John from Taos said...

(Haven't read any intervening comments since the one I deleted...)

As I was saying on the phone to my analyst in Zurich yesterday, "I just realized that telling people what I think they're doing wrong is counterproductive." But the trouble with enlightenment is that it doesn't last, even obvious wisdom like that!

So please never mind. There's a lot of important communication going on in this space, and I'm all for that.

18/2/09 8:04 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

Good morning John.
It's a lovely one where I am... sunny, and I can see the mountains. I've metaphorical ones I have to climb today but I think I'm up for it.
I hope yours is beautiful, too.

18/2/09 8:13 AM  
Anonymous dble aries said...

Eric Holder, what a great water boy he has been. He proved himself, to takes the falls for Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush. He will continue, where he left off, carrying that water for the establishment.

18/2/09 10:52 AM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Tseka wrote: That Buz Myers quote is excellent. I think it is absolutely right - an evolutionary path. I know that people who have a strong cinqunx snyastry with me often bring the most beautiful and difficult lessons. Taurus and Cancer carry fragrance of divine for me (Sag). It's a unique vibration, true joy when we get it right.

SO true Tseka!

At first I found the lessons unbearable but upon reflection they were a blessing. I will make a great effort to study the Quincunxes more closely now as that Buz Myers quote resonates with me.

18/2/09 10:54 AM  
Anonymous DuCan said...

Shattered belief systems resulting in frustration, anger and need to control.

Over the past week I became very aware of 'blogger anger.' This was very evident while visiting another site where the Astrologer wrote about this ‘Aquarian Age’ phenomenon:

(At 7:25 am (UT) on February 14th, 2009 the cosmos will align to create this actual alignment, in support of the collective manifestation of love, peace, and the dawning of Aquarius.)

She had some mild skepticism about the time and house placement of the moon regarding this.

Much to my surprise a number of bloggers responded with rudeness, insults and anger to this Astrologer’s mild skepticism. The same way some bloggers are responding to you jm.

I see the anger, frustration and need to control from these bloggers and I think it stems from fear that their belief systems are in need of renovation. The anger and need to control is their way of holding on to the status quo. They want to hear what they believe and when it is not given they react in anger.

It’s no wonder you feel beaten up. They are trying to control what you write. There in lies the opposition. The push/pull you so brilliantly wrote about in ‘Life is a wiggle.’

You are absolutely right jm when you say they have to be weaned. The evolution has started, that train has left the station with most still clinging to the status quo, refusing to start the work required for the evolution.

But by the same token it must be very difficult to see your beliefs come crashing down so maybe some compassion is in order while contuining the weaning process.

I just wanted you to know that you are not the only one experiencing anger from visitors to your site. Others are experiencing it too.

I am trying to get to the root cause of this anger that is my reason for sharing this with you.

18/2/09 12:50 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I don't know about the pamphlet, chiron. It's so weird and unique.

Tseka, that was a deep and beautiful comment. I am going to reread and think about it.

All this manic euphoria going on and I'm feeling something I can't quite see. You said so much.

18/2/09 1:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Mm! A Republican! Welcome. I like the listening and respect too. I am terribly disturbed by the party hatred, but maybe in time we'll get there.

I don't like either party the way they are now and I've never liked politicians so I'm jaded and my protest has been a long time coming since I usually stay away from the whole thing. You're right, though. He's doing some good things and he deserves credit for what he does well.

Dble A is right about Holder, however, and there are many other culprits in the administration, but time is an ally. The whole thing is chaotic now and I think it will be for awhile.

I still feel an underlying helplessness in the collective that might not be fixed without some firm sticking up for ourselves no matter who's in the seat of power.

So far, the disagreement here is turning out to be productive. I think relationships grow exponentially when we're honest about our anger and frustration, and unafraid to express the negatives too. I pretty much abhor the fake positive thingy I see everywhere. The fear of life. It turns into this overblown hatred of the other party. And I used to hate Republicans until one day it turned into nonsense. I felt ridiculous and ended it on the spot. There's every shade and nuance imaginable within any group. Thank god. I am an anarchist and a champion of individuality.

I knew you were reasonable! Thanks mm. You're a joy.

18/2/09 1:42 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

mm wrote:
there's a respect for another's view and a new listening happening and I like that very much. I suppose that is exactly what you are doing here and I salute you and your ways.

Excellent mm. I like it too.

18/2/09 1:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

John, thank god! I don't mind you trying to force me into anything. You make me laugh too much so I'll put up with it!

"Analyst in Zurich???" Pretty fancy for a 2 by 4 cabin dweller!

You're right. I can think of a lot worse than Obama. Even if I object I see the reasons for the support. So carry on.

Really. You've mentioned before some of your tendencies toward "extreme behavior?" But worry not. I prefer self expression to the hideous stuffing of self society requests, and only the worst dregs are allowed to do it day in and day out on the TVs and everywhere. I've had it. There's hidden talent all over and I'm hungry for CHANGE! I must admit your poke stimulated us to have a lot of fun last night.

So thank you, john, and I'm so glad you got off the phone to Zurich and came back!!

Ps: I'm considering roping in my complaint. Maybe. You might miss it, though. I'm spiritual enough. And I love beauty more than myself. Can't always put it into words.

But the trouble with enlightenment is that it doesn't last

Nothing does. Easy come, easy go. And nothing works, so you might as well be yourself and enjoy it. Don't let 'em fool ya.

18/2/09 1:57 PM  
Anonymous dble aries said...

I will vouch for the dispair and anger feelings when one's belief in the system is shattered. When you recognize this, and everything comes crashing down, it leaves you devastated. It is a Pluto experience.
There has to be a loud voice in trumpeting opposition to the status quo of this system, but there is hope in building a stronger one. The Raging Universe and bloggers here, are just forging the new direction. We are lucky, thank you, for this blog and the end result will be great.

18/2/09 2:03 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I agree duCan about mm. The thing I feel is that we are more important than anything. The route to power might be that simple factor. Why is it always about famous people? This star struck paralysis. I'm finding so much to admire in each and every one around here. I'd like to cultivate the seeds. The lost significance. that's part of why I object to the Obama worship.

Much to my surprise a number of bloggers responded with rudeness, insults and anger to this Astrologer’s mild skepticism. The same way some bloggers are responding to you jm.

Fascinating. DuCan. I like your input so much.

I see the anger, frustration and need to control from these bloggers and I think it stems from fear that their belief systems are in need of renovation. The anger and need to control is their way of holding on to the status quo. They want to hear what they believe and when it is not given they react in anger.

That's exactly what's going on. Doubt, and that's a good thing. I don't mind people believing in themselves and holding firm to their opinions, and when they are true to themselves, it's joyous. It's the mimicking, group pressure, parroting of cliches, and all the other stuff that gets to me. It takes a lot of times through the fire to get to your own truth. independence is required, and occasional separation.

This is all prep for Uranus in Aries. We'll be ready. The weaning will happen with the Cancer opposition. And you're right. I need to be patient and understanding, which I am by nature. Except when Pluto is on my Mars! I'll work on it, though.

But you bring up deeper issues and great food for thought.

It’s no wonder you feel beaten up. They are trying to control what you write.

This is going to build even more with Pluto in Capricorn as control issues take over. The government will probably do it too. We are going to have to fight for independence and autonomy with Uranus in Aries, all in different ways. I think people are fearing that inevitability now and are clinging to the last vestiges of weakness and timidity and being parented.

I am trying to get to the root cause of this anger that is my reason for sharing this with you.

Man, would I love to do this. I'd like to keep pursuing the subject and in the process help us all become more relaxed about this emotion, one so natural and important. The public anger has always disturbed me. Something gross and unhealthy about most of it.

It was interesting. I checked out the comments on Lynn's site to "Life is a Wiggle" and it was the same thing. The denial of the frustration and confinement of living. The force and vitality of it all. "It's really positive" kind of stuff.

So maybe part of the root is the authoritarian restriction of natural self that is not socially approved of. It could come from within. A natural timidity and fear of being disliked and pushed from belonging to the group. Safety concerns.

It could go back to tribal need, and maybe we are evolving away from that kind of traditional protective need. Away from group wars and all of that. Maybe the population has to be reduced so we don't feel so threatened. There is so much to think about around the fear of anger. Yet they crave violent television and movies. Absolutely ravenously. And allow their beloved leader to escalate a war without a peep, while screaming at a lone blogger for words expressed.

I love this subject. Great comment. I am wide open to ideas.

18/2/09 2:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Thank you, doubl A, and may I say how much your firm and wondrful sense of self with all its rage has helped me already. A lot of bravery.

There has to be a loud voice in trumpeting opposition to the status quo of this system, but there is hope in building a stronger one. The Raging Universe and bloggers here, are just forging the new direction.

Omg. Onward we go. You are so right. We're in the vanguard with Aries on deck.

18/2/09 2:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think we all had our belief systems crashed with Pluto through Sagittarius and now we are reeling from the experience and establishing our new philosophies. There's kind of an urgency about it since we are coming into such cardinal and action-packed times. Getting off one's ass is a new thing in this culture. That's why the clinging to the leader to do it for them, causing a deeper disturbance knowing what's ahead. So the devastation will have to be fixed while we get our positions established and get ready for the struggle against the status quo when more togetherness might kick in.

18/2/09 2:38 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Chiron

That was a fantastic comment on Lynn's site about Saturn-Uranus. Strong, beautiful and well stated. I'd like to go further. People talk about power but end up trying to diminish it. Saturn-Uranus is powerful. There's a lot of it ahead.

18/2/09 2:59 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

This is going to build even more with Pluto in Capricorn as control issues take over. The government will probably do it too. We are going to have to fight for independence and autonomy with Uranus in Aries, all in different ways. I think people are fearing that inevitability now and are clinging to the last vestiges of weakness and timidity and being parented.
Right on jm.

Here is Canada an excellent TV show called Intelligence was cancelled because of pressure from the Prime Minister's office. He did not like the way he was portrayed. The Government has plans to chop up and sell off the CBC because the Government feels the CBC favors the opposition party. And last but not least just last week I read somewhere the Government is looking into a new system that will allow spying on our private emails.
You are ahead of the curve on your observations jm. CBC-Canadian Broadcasting Corp.

I think we all had our belief systems crashed with Pluto through Sagittarius.

Mine crashed a few years back. It was a devastating experience for me but I am able to look at things in a detached way now.

18/2/09 3:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yup, duCan. I believe it could be one of the major shocks of this administration when the clamp comes. Pluto in Cap is heavy duty. The signs are already there but the people are choosing to ignore it. Surveillance is increasing and will continue to do so. Spying is a classic game. Every government when threatened does this, among other things. So the fairy tale honeymoon should be enjoyed now. As a matter of fact, there's a nice vacation spot in Afghanistan I heard about for all the lovers.

Reality is banging and blowing hard now, and still it's mild and incremental, but the sooner people perk up and get on their feet, the better off we'll be as a whole. It's been an interesting turn of events at RU. Everything is falling into place.

18/2/09 3:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Many of you don't remember the McCarthy days and before that, the terrible restrictions during WW I, but the tightening and relaxing of Saturn-Uranus is an ongoing thing. It has to be as the body politic breathes and works out its existence. The special thing now is just how much of the dynamic is going to be operating in the coming years. It's like a big movement for a big purpose, and already I'm feeling the force.

Here's where fear of the negative, that oh-so-horrible half of life, can be controlled. No one knows what the details will be, and whatever they are, we need them and will adjust and endure. Rather than fear oppressive forces, we can muscle against them and build strength as I say so often. Both sides are needed to push us through life's passageway.

Big change requires bold moves, so if people are serious they will have to leave fear behind for a moment. The timid will be protected. Natural instinct.

The positive in this is the strong Uranian energy to counteract Pluto in Cap and ultimately work it out together.

One thing I sense is a dissatisfaction with violent revolution and a knowledge of its failures and that's why I think the times might get interesting. The US might still be the leader she always was.

18/2/09 3:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I swear people crack me up and somehow loosing my mind doesn't seem quite so tragic.

That's funny mm. Minds might be better lost.

18/2/09 6:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mm! A Republican! Welcome. I like the listening and respect too. I am terribly disturbed by the party hatred, but maybe in time we'll get there.


Lord NO ... I am not a Republican, my family and neighbors, etc were. I am registered Dem with Libertarian core. My first "job" was licking stamps for a family friend running for Gov of MD -- Ted Agnew, famed impeached VP under Nixon.

As I write this and realize just how much of my life has been spent in and around this field, it might be time to let my freak flag fly ... I'm liking this Anarchist vibe very much.

19/2/09 10:14 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Omg, mm! I don't know where to begin on the anarchism. People do indeed think it's a "freak" thing, violent, revolutionary, and hateful, but that's not it. It simply means "without a leader." This is good news from you. Now I REALLY know how reasonable you are.

I come from a politically active very progressive family, all Democrats. I was involved during the 60s, but I never liked any of the leaders, nor did I identify with the party. So I tuned it out and lived my own life.

Then came the awakening that brought us out of our respective shells, but I still feel the same way about the parties and ALL of the leaders. It was out of character for me to get involved with this one but it was necessary for a moment. I'm returning to myself.

They really have nothing to do with me, and the cult of personality that masquerades as politics has no appeal. I try to get interested but it's fake and I can't follow them for long, nor the daily games they play. Still, a new politics could be developing, and I'd like to be in on it.

My reason for anarchism is how much I abhor obedience to authority, the biggest danger I think humans face. Rules have to be followed, but real evolution can only come from each individual actually desiring to follow them, not being forced. So the less law, the better as people take responsibility for their actions. Being free is the only way they'll learn. They have to want to act right. I'm against a lot of government intervention.

Of course, I'm an impractical idealist, living in a non-evolved world, but I do know that forced obedience is the danger, and I stay loyal to my ideals in theory. I am, in the meantime, totally opposed to following these criminals we have as leaders down the path of greed, war profiteering, massive personal material gain, and lust for power over others.

So I support none of them. I'm self-disciplined and make my own decisions. I live simply outside the system with no insurance and all the trappings. I pay for what I do and consume as I go and have never been in debt. I make my own rules and live by them. I don't want what other people have. I mind my own business, have never been a gossip, and try to cooperate when engaged as best I can. I detest a lot of society's behavior as a whole, and I do complain, but only when appropriate. I have to live in the world as is, so I'm praying these dregs take care of political business adequately. I still find it hard to vote for them. I think something is wrong with them. A certain unhealthy something or other, or a kind of crippling.

You'll love the anarchist crowd, if ever you can find one! They're independent, and tend to be intelligent, intellectual, and philosophical.

19/2/09 4:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JM,

With Pluto transiting my Venus/NN in Cap it's feeling pretty perfect that I get an rude-awakening re: political affiliation. I'm just sorry that I never ran into you when I lived/worked in Denver, opening up this anarchist aspect feels made to order. Thank you for poking back ... maybe I'll meet you next lifetime!

mm.

20/2/09 6:58 AM  

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