Monday, February 09, 2009

Weakness, Death, Survival,
and Rebirth

This has been a fascinating Saturn-Uranus opposition, unlike anything I could have predicted, and by the time the last one comes at 0 Aries, a lot of awareness will be under the belt. People are beginning to feel like they've been had by the change in government, and this is probably accurate in terms of the larger picture. The Neptunian delusion was a requirement, but now the awakening is occurring. It's not the personalities. It's not the parties. I can't begin to tell you how far beyond these details it is. I can't say it enough -- Pluto just got started in Capricorn. 250 years of cause and effect have to be tackled and we're in the 12th house part of the return cycle. The part of undoing.
The government is as good as dead, and resurrection is leaving the stage as an option. There could be some last gasps, but the bloating and sickness have gone too far, and the attempt now is being made to shore up the dying entity, stuffing it further with trillions until it suffocates. It's torturing itself. It refuses to accept its fate, as the same habits that led to its downfall are grasped helplessly, leaders knowing nothing else. Of course I allow for quirks of fate, so nothing is written in stone. It could recover. Anything can happen. But you are probably familiar with Pluto.
Pluto governs survival and collective evolution. The rumble deep in the gut of the body politic is starting, and when it's over, you'll see there was no other way. It really really can't be predicted how events will unfold, but being prepared for both good and bad is wise. Pluto strips pretense and for a brief moment the naked truth of what life is like appears. Then the coverup begins again. The problems of human desire have to be faced occasionally, and not by buying commodities.
With Pluto opposite Venus, it's a possibility that the trillion dollar bailout will go down the drain, through the sewer, and out into the cosmos. You know Pluto. I hope the cosmos pays it back in due time. I swear it looks like the people are throwing money away deliberately trying to buy something else. Maybe trying to find some spiritual solace after 250 years of uncontrolled material consumption. And maybe some penitence, forgiveness, and reparations to make for some of the things they've done to appease the appetite. Who can tell?
Pluto in Capricorn and Aquarius reveals class inequities in the distribution of wealth, and now with most of the riches in the hands of 1% of the population, the system is unsustainable. They won't stop grabbing as the insecurity mounts. The top is so heavy and weak that it can't continue much longer, and meantime, the bottom will be slowly and steadily gaining strength, as preparations for rebuilding are beginning.
I think the schisms might become more pronounced while the knowledge of economic structure takes a step forward through trial and error, in both Capricorn and Aquarius. Humanity has spent its entire history trying to figure out what works - how to survive and how to distribute. So far it has worked. We're still here. But problems abound. Then possibly in Pisces, there'll be a re-uniting after dissolution and a fresh start with new survival techniques in Aries. Everything in is constant flux, falling apart and coming back together in sequence.
I imagine as Pluto continues, the focus will be on the decaying system. The ineffectiveness and the fact that the people have been abandoned - the 99% - should be clear. But with Uranus in Aries, the understanding of our ability to thrive should gain more momentum with growth of independence and autonomy. At the same time, the innovations of the coming era are already underway ready to be put into use when the time comes. Scientists, artists, inventors of all kinds are continually at work.
Added to the Pluto transits of Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces, is the change to the Aquarian Age. The Age of Pisces was the age of the savior and redeemer, and this will no longer be applicable. I think the current situation is part of that lesson and transition. No saints, rescue plans, or prayers are needed at this point. We'll flourish anyway. Alternatives are being born.
The earth is a vast, complex, and beautiful system that heals itself, and we're a necessary speck in its subsistence. The Paleo-Indians who lived in America 10,000 years ago hunted giant mammoths for sustenance. The perfection of their techniques was magnificent in its skill and precision. After the last Ice Age, a sudden shift in water and wind currents brought an unexpected return of the freeze, the Younger Dryas, and as a result, the mammoths and other large animals perished completely. Yet humans endured as they quickly and radically adapted to the changed environment. Habitat determines life and that's why large animals like the elephant are probably also destined for extinction. I find it curious that humans were selected to carry on and it could be that we're meant to continue. God knows why. But as Pluto transits the final quadrant and goes into Aries, I think some knowledge about new living techniques is coming.
In the meantime, the unfit system must destruct. Our government is in critical care with a lousy prognosis. All the leaders know not what they're doing as the vortex carries them out - as they grasp for the only thing they know; something called money. What comes after a trillion? My arithmetic fails me.
We can't hasten the process. Time is an ally. But within the ebbs and flows of fortune, seeds of growth are always germinating, and many good experiences are awaiting people, even if times do get tough in the near future. I'm glad I don't have to depend on mammoths for survival.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

May you live in interesting times, indeed.

9/2/09 7:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Pluto strips pretense and for a brief moment the naked truth of what life is like appears."

I saw this at B's family gathering this weekend (Saturn in Virgo transiting his natal 4th House Pluto). Those revealed moments can feel like a random act of violence. It's worth meditating on this post so that a feeling of powerlessness can be transformed into acceptance...which can in turn lead to the transformational powers of Pluto, maybe?
I just feel as though those powers aren't available, otherwise.

He said something interesting to me last night as I was describing to him the inexplicable loss of a particular possession. I was home alone, and had a cell phone and a charger I was going to give to a friend laid out on the kitchen table. When I woke up in the morning the charger was there, but the phone had disappeared. Maybe this was Venus/Neptune at work, who knows. Regardless I'm pretty sure the cat didn't steal it.
"Well if things come to you as easily as they do, they can disappear as easily, too."
I think B's right. You know yogis. Balance loving and all that, ha ha ha.

9/2/09 8:26 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Chrispito, what an eclipse story.
I like your philosophical telling of the tale.

9/2/09 9:12 AM  
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9/2/09 9:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another fantastic article. Thank you for bringing to everyone's attentiion the chameleon that Obama is turning out to be and the phoniness of his whole administration.
I am the anonymous in the hole, but for now, will give myself some sort of name, to distinguish myself from other anonymous's! I just never dreamed that I would write and put my thoughts out in public! My frustrations of what is happening around me, has forced me out. I hope Pluto will continue to strip away the pretense.
The voices of dissent are growing louder and that is really our "hope". The people, like all of us here, are growing in numbers, and we, together will make the changes happen. I'll be back!

9/2/09 9:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our government is set up this way, there is a certain amount of loggerjam inherent in the system ... so it's SUPPOSED to be a WORKING TOGETHER, the executive and legislative (and judicial, but that's not the issue presently). It is WONDERFUL to see Obama working with Congress, making the whole operation TRANSPARENT, unlike W. who was too defensive and intellectually challenged.

Pluto is imploding our system of CAPITALISM (free market) NOT our democracy. I know it seems the two were intertwined there, such that Wall Street/Dow Jones pretty much ruled our lives. We shall see what happens to Capitalism; democracy, regardless of the thievery of the Bush/Cheney/Rove, came back with the election of Barack. Let us all keep our eyes on the prize here ... and support progress. The good stuff takes TIME.


9/2/09 9:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, Tseka. You know Sag, hee!

9/2/09 9:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I appreciate your thoughts and they make wonderful sense. But how am I able to trust the progress we are supposed to make? I know too, the "good stuff" does take time, but how can it happen, when we have old tired ideas and actions from past administrations?
For starters, there are too many Bush holdovers. The slate should have been wiped clean, for trusted progress. Time is running out, our economy is in shambles, and we have people dying in two wars.

9/2/09 9:52 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

"Weakness, death, survival and rebirth."
And maybe recovery, re-discovery or remembering our sovereignty. In this country each of us us a sovereign, not just a "freeman."

9/2/09 9:59 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Omg, tseka. I love what you said. A sovereign is a beautiful thought.

It's been an amazing day and I'm usually not tuned in at this hour, but I just got an impulse and logged on. Something's up.

Chris, that is weird. Really weird.

Dble aries! I should have known! Aries are great at seeing through the bullshit.

The voices of dissent are growing louder and that is really our "hope". The people, like all of us here, are growing in numbers, and we, together will make the changes happen.

This is the undeniable truth. The numbers have to reach a working amount which will take time. People will have to be weaned from Obama and that's a toughie, but this administration is what we are working against. It could be anyone as president. It's the needs of the time.

You can see now the attempt to make him out a a good guy and he's REALLY going to fix it after all, but it's not about him. You can like him all you want, but the times are saying that the people are going to go against their government and he is its leader at the moment. So we must oppose him. You can cling if you want to, but one by one, people will come. He and his adminstration are the past we are leaving behind. Soon we'll have to.

The idea of personal sovereignty is a fantastic one and that means seeing the Sun as center in each one of us, not our leaders. This Leo Moon eclipse with the SN is a perfect time to start the process of separation from the leader.

You'll see the cycle as hope and excitement build and the worship levels rise, only to fall again as Pluto keeps stripping the pretense and exposing the truth. It will work out in the end.

Most don't feel it now, but as Pluto transits the Cancer stellium, you will find the desire and the courage. One day it won't be all about one man. It will be about you. The real sovereign.

9/2/09 10:26 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

I seem to be experiencing inordinate amounts of good fortune lately. I'll humbly accept as much as will come my way!

As for "stimulus" I realized today that my completely non-intellectual gut feeling is that we are already completely over stimulated. And in my personal life I have been over stimulated and in retreat from stimulus. I need less stimulus so I can regain some more sensitivity. I was so stimulated it made me numb. My body experienced the equivalent of a short circuit. That's my experience of the time since about early June 2008. I've finally detached from stimulus and am starting to heal.

9/2/09 10:36 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I've given it some thought and have developed a new theory. The break from the past ahead is a once in a 250 year chance especially as Pluto opposes the US Cancer Sun in a few years.

I think one reason the handsome hypnotic person came along at this time is to make the struggle that much greater and the separation that much more permanent and effective. Resisting the allure, the trap. It was easy to separate from hated George Bush. Separating from loved Obama seems next to impossible. But it's necessary and it will make us that much stronger. If we can do that, since he's controlled by the status quo now, then we can make a giant step toward the change and better future we want. It can be done. It will be done.

9/2/09 10:44 AM  
Blogger jm said...

It feels kind of like a Kundalini type rise.

I can't imagine what dance Pluto and Uranus have in mind. Enough to make me sing.

9/2/09 10:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jm What do you make of this poll released today by CNN? More support for Mr. Obama than for the stimulus. FYI

Seventy-six percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Monday gave Obama a thumbs-up on how he's performing his duties, while 23 percent disapproved.

While the president puts on a full-court press, the debate over the $800 billion-plus bill -- which includes increased government spending and tax cuts -- appears to have split the public. A slight majority, 54 percent, favors the bill; 45 percent are opposed.

And there's a partisan divide. Three out of four Democrats support the bill, but that number drops to 51 percent for Independents and just 32 percent for Republicans. Nearly seven in 10 Republicans questioned in the survey oppose the bill.

"Partisanship is alive and well, not just in the House and Senate, but in the rank and file as well," said CNN polling director Keating Holland. "The partisan split that has been a staple of American public opinion for decades is alive and well."

An $819 billion version of the stimulus bill passed the House of Representatives two weeks ago, with no Republican support. The Senate is expected to vote Tuesday on a different version of the bill, which would include more tax cuts and less government spending. Democrats support the bill, while all but three Republican senators appear to oppose the legislation.

Sixty-four percent of those polled said the current bill being debated in the Senate would help the economy a lot or somewhat, while 36 percent felt that the package would not help the economy much or at all.

"The public may be lukewarm on the stimulus package because they only see limited benefits from it," Holland said. "Sixteen percent say it would help the economy a lot, but 48 percent foresee only some improvements if the bill passes."

9/2/09 12:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would leave my name if I'd remember my password, which I never do ... damn.

There were definitely some choices Obama made that I would have issues with, but this mess is just too HUGE, he had to pull everyone in on this, including some from earlier administrations. One thing I learned during the campaign was that you speak to people where they are NOT where you want them to be, else you're duplicating W.'s "mission accomplished" non-sense.

We have to do this together -- not just Obama, not just upper level appointments, all of us. The LEAST we can do is try to see a bigger picture, aside from the negativity and personal attacks. If there's a better way, write it up, send it in. We voted for change, and it's a process ... you have to start with where we are, build concensus and move together.


9/2/09 2:06 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The polls are interesting. The public adoration is likely to continue for lots of reasons, a major one being fear. He gave a speech again and the polls will shoot up like always. They are extremely dependent on him now. Again the Venus in Cancer transit is going on. Lots of insecurity.

What's hopeful is the stimulus poll which shows the public is not completely in lala land. The bill as it stands now stinks. It's an attempt to keep the corporate class going, and it looks like not everyone is falling for it.

Three out of four Democrats support the bill, but that number drops to 51 percent for Independents.

That's the best part of all. I count on Indies. They use common sense and think for themselves. That's a good breakup.

The problem is that they don't really understand the bill. The president is manipulating the people and will do this more since the establishment, who he wants acceptance from, is rejecting him. So he's run back to the people and his SN in Aquarius, his worst spot, but his comfort zone. He's using the people and not being honest. As I said, the bill stinks and favors the rich. But it could be changed. We'll see.

I still don't like what he's up to. The king speaks and the people fall at his feet, accepting what he says without thinking. It's crazy. It will be interesting to see the bill poll numbers next. The favorable will probably increase. I don't like it. People shouldn't be so easily manipulated, but that's not news.

But again, I'm very very pleased at this point that the public adores the man but does not adore the bill so much. That is a good sign.

I'm not happy about their ease at throwing a trillion dollars away because a guy tells them to, but more sense should come as the economic decline worsens.

76% popularity is not healthy. The numbing of the population is not good. It's overblown and indicates severe sheepism, but it's the beginning, and he's a novelty. As Aries kicks in, hopefully people will think for themselves. The speech power is worrisome. They could be talked into anything.

Another thing I'm banking on is the SN in Leo and the eventual end to the king syndrome we have going. We can't get through crisis if people fall on their knees every time he speaks. It's going to be a long haul, but I'm in, pulling for the whole collective.

We are the 10% dissenting minority, small indeed. But it will grow in due time. Sometimes it's not a good idea to be fooled.

Things are going to look completely different by the fall and into next year. Patience oh wise ones.

9/2/09 3:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I refuse to follow the crowd because I have no choice. I cannot betray myself. But I could be wrong and he could work out OK. Most of all, each person is right in doing what she or he does. That's the biggest lesson of all. To think for ourselves and follow through. The same way you doubt me should be the same way you question him. People are so afraid of trusting themselves for some reason.

If you have doubts, come to me. I am unlikely to change my position, but I will if my inner voice tells me to. The more I see the crowd follow en masse, without intellectual discernment, the less likely this is to happen. I don't trust this particular MO.


The quarrel between the naysayers and the enthusiasts is probably a good thing, indicative of the friction and energy required in the end to create something good. Whether it happens with or without this man is the least significant part.

9/2/09 4:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know what mm, I've learnt something very interesting recently as I've kept up with a variety of progressive bloggers over the post election period, which is that many people don't want the personal responsiblity of engaging with the system and beating it on it's own terms. These are the people who are most disturbed by Obama.
Before he gained power, he was their hero, specifical because he lacked actual power. They could identify with his outsider status, it made him one of them, a man of the people. But once this man of the people is installed in government and starts to get his hands dirty and begin to attempt, slowely bit by bit the gradual cleaning of this country's Augean stables, the fair weather supporters flee, holding their noses in disgust. 'It all stinks', they cry. They want it all cleaned up without anyone actually doing the huge amount of work that that entails.
That's why they feel confident in passing judgement based on 2 weeks in office. That's why theyv'e given up before the job has begun and why they're looking for everything to be magically made perfect overnight. I call it irrational childlike thinking. The complete opposite to the pluto in virgo approach of Obama and his ilk.

As a group they are starting to take the reins of power and to do things in the slow, methodical, thorough manner that makes complete and utter sense to them.
The pluto in capricorn crisis that feels like the sky is falling to some of the pluto in leo's out there, is positively relished by the pluto in virgo generation. This is their chance to remake the world and put it back together better than they found it.
And make no mistake, in this new era, pluto in capricorn has the potential to both empower and bless their endevors.

9/2/09 4:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Well I do favor this disagreement. That's the best sign of all. The thing is stirring.

9/2/09 4:31 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

many people don't want the personal responsiblity of engaging with the system and beating it on it's own terms. These are the people who are most disturbed by Obama.

I agree. And these people will never succeed with any system since all the systems are corrupt so what's the difference in the long run? Might as well join the hippies protesting the man and trying to avoid doing anything else. If the government fails it will be because of the insolvency built up during the Bush years (Clinton left a surplus).

9/2/09 4:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What I've learned blogging is how emotional the accusations are and how little actual debate of the specifics goes on. Whether Obama is the hero or not is moot. How Pluto is going to do it is also moot.

Typical of Cancer is everything revolving around whether or not they like someone. It's a hard thing to manage since Cancer is so fearful and seeks parental guidance. Like a partially adult movie they want to see.

That's why I keep harping on the chance to develop maturity. The most important thing is crticial thinking, adult, independent behavior, and some awareness of the facts. All this hysteria about the leader is not so much about methodical change, but it will calm down. It does indicate an underlying doubt which is th finest thing of all.

If the government fails it will be because of the insolvency built up during the Bush years (Clinton left a surplus).

Oh, fer heaven's sake. I won't even argue that one. We have a long way to go.

I'm confused, mpk. All your posts of late have indicated a desire to detach, going Obamaless and such things. Have you changed your mind again? I thought for sure you were going to go your own way separate from political engagement. The whole thing is getting to be a mish mosh. But maybe change is that way.:-)

9/2/09 4:45 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

I'm confused, mpk. All your posts of late have indicated a desire to detach, going Obamaless and such things. Have you changed your mind again? I thought for sure you were going to go your own way separate from political engagement.

Actually I'm quite detached from it emotionally. But I enjoy reading these posts and chiming in from time to time. You've always brought more balance to my point of view when we differ. I'm quite comfortable with the fact that I have a long way to go and could be completely wrong.

9/2/09 4:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There is truth in the criticisms of the criticizers. But there are indications that defying the boss is ahead. Obama will be defied, I am almost sure of this, so why people are doing it won't matter. If it takes that to stay engaged, being mad at the system and its boss, then I would think that would be a plus.

And these people will never succeed with any system since all the systems are corrupt so what's the difference in the long run?

Mpk, that's exactly what you said the other day!! Why bother? It's going down anyway.

Oh well, each day is different.

You might think the dissenters are the ones not helping, but I think the opposite. The followers are the problem to me. Actually, both are necessary.

Remember rubbing two sticks together? Friction? Fire? Food? Life?

9/2/09 4:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

About Clinton you're completely wrong, but I'm not arguing.

9/2/09 4:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm quite comfortable with the fact that I have a long way to go and could be completely wrong.

Well you're right about yourself and all the good things in your life now are proving it. I think we're mostly wrong about everyone else. You'd think we'd be better at figuring everyone else out as much time as we spend on it, but so far, not so.

9/2/09 4:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You are a wise one, mpk. You brought the subject around to the exact perfect point on this Full Moon eclipse in Leo. Our glorious selves. You and tseka's sovereignty recommendation.

Yep. A coterie of the wise..

9/2/09 5:01 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

Basically my point of view on this comes partly from having inherited messes and bad policies myself. When faced with obstructive legacies from the past I do my best to change those things. Some things can't be changed, only modified or deemphasized if they are too integral and the cost is too high. Systemic failure in this way does not need to happen, there are other ways of dealing with this energy. (Or at least there were other ways if we are past the point of no return now which I concede is possible.) If something isn't working why keep doing it? Clinton helped pass a lot of bad laws related to the current crisis, but he left the government with a surplus of money. As the situation got worse and worse the Bush administration they not only did nothing to change it, they made it worse. I can't fathom this. It was insanity.

9/2/09 5:13 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That's why I'm a metaphysician. I also think throwing away a trillion now is insanity.

My view, as the article says, is that the system is too far gone, but that's just an opinion. I'm often wrong. The 29 Scorpio Moon of the administration is interesting to contemplate.

The cosmic game seems to be one of teaching the people about values and all these financial ups and downs are part of the process. They were all necessary, Clinton, Bush, and now Obama. The country's economic health is not there and we'll see what's next in this ongoing saga.

Here's an interesting discussion about our economic behavior:

Money and Democracy

There's a lot of money karma in this nation. What to be done? I don't know.

9/2/09 5:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The same way people are accusing me of avoiding responsibility by opposing Obama is the same way I think those who are following him are using it as a mask to cover the deep money karma I mentioned. He will fix it so we can run from our part in creating it. the whole American entitlement position is at fault. Facing the truth of our own compliance with this excessive grasping of material wealth will come one day if not now. Now is certainly an opportune time. Again, the whole idea of spending a trillion is an indication that people still believe that material resources are endless. I thought the earth was trying to teach otherwise.

The truth is, almost no one wants to give one millimeter in giving up some of this lavish lifestyle we enjoy. Driving the gas guzzler to the political assembly, then shopping copiously on the way home. It's all done without thinking. Then Daddy comes with his full pockets to bail us out. Will force be necessary? Don't know. Honesty is a start. Stripping of pretense.

9/2/09 5:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lot of truths about leadership being revealed in the light of this Leo Moon, eh? Maybe we will learn how to lead ourselves.

9/2/09 5:49 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

I agree with you about dissent JM. I'm not against dissenters at all. I don't know enough about the stimulus bill to judge it adequately. I guess I'd rather they not spend the money if possible, so I'd lean against it just because I'm conservative with money. I was generally against the bailouts as well. Let those dinosaurs die.

What tipped me off that a lot protest isn't legitimate was the whole Oakland slaying which we discussed earlier in another context. There are a lot of people who aren't protesting because they care, they protest because they revel in destruction, or they protest because they choose feeling victimized rather than taking responsibility. In a way I view them as ironically protesting themselves even though they don't know it. I'd like to see that kind of protesting exposed for what it is so we can get to the root of the problems.

9/2/09 5:58 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

And if I dig even deeper I must admit that I was once like this... a protester who refused his own responsibilities. Maybe those stories will come out one day here. In a way I'm condemning my own former conduct now that I understand it.

9/2/09 6:01 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You know, joe. I think we are learning. Not much choice. Your terseness and to the point Scorpio surgery are always refreshing.

The bill is classic influence peddling and the catastrophic emergency mode is a far cry from hope and change with its fear mongering. Interesting moon. Yes.

9/2/09 6:03 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I agree about the protest, mpk. That's why I hope we don't have riots and violence. And that's why I'm protesting now, peacefully, as a way of avoiding that kind of pressure buildup.

I think part of this protest, yours and the others, is a thing of frustrated youth. It's kind of inevitable. I'm wondering about the young going into the job market now. What can they do?

In a way I'm condemning my own former conduct now that I understand it.

Me too.:-)

The root of the problems is in each of us, so it's fairly unlikely that we'll get there. We'll have to settle for what is.

9/2/09 6:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The first real sign of getting to the root will be the abandonment of the hero worship so I'll be watching for that. This moon is a harbinger. It's not what it appears to be.

The worship took off like a rocket again, but will it crash? Probably. Manipulation eventually backfires. The node leaves Leo for Cancer in June crossing the US stellium for a year and a half. Going to be interesting.

9/2/09 6:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I have to say that I value everyone's opinion and I'm glad about the interest in joining in and speaking up. As long as we care and are involved it really doesn't matter how divergent our views are, does it? I guess we're re-discovering our democracy.

Thank you all.

9/2/09 9:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I saw this at B's family gathering this weekend (Saturn in Virgo transiting his natal 4th House Pluto). Those revealed moments can feel like a random act of violence. It's worth meditating on this post so that a feeling of powerlessness can be transformed into acceptance...which can in turn lead to the transformational powers of Pluto, maybe?
I just feel as though those powers aren't available, otherwise.

I think this says it well. We have to experience it. Pluto reveals the underworld which stays out of the light of day until we're ready. And we are when we are. And as you say, chris, it can't be otherwise.

Pluto could travel in the upper world but he wore a mask making him invisible. So in subtle ways we're already familiar with him when the meeting comes.

Saturn on B's Pluto 4th is a perfect example and relates to the country's situation. When Uranus enters Aries with Jupiter, Saturn will be opposite and square US Venus-Jupiter in Cancer, Pluto opposite, and a lot of the deep insecurities that muck us up will likely be revealed in a new way. The coverup vanishing briefly.

10/2/09 2:25 AM  
Blogger Fernmountain said...

There is so much grumbly noise in the sphere...I feel it is becoming more than toxic.

"In the same respect, it would be extremely helpful to suspend doubt, disappointment or disapproval about what Obama does or does not do, such as his selection of individuals to work most closely with him or a change from his stated intended course of action, and instead, allow time for actions and results to unfold.

No one on the planet other than he has total awareness of what is in his heart or mind-his reasons, questions, motives or unfolding plans and objectives-and at this station. Many within both parties of Congress are either Illuminati or under their control, and they are working to sink his efforts rather than support them.

Negative thoughts about Obama's intentions, just like anxiety about his safety, zoom into the collective consciousness and aid that "enemy camp."

Also apparent in the collective consciousness are expectations of Obama to be a miracle-worker or flawless in judgment, and he cannot be either. He had no reason to disbelieve information he had been given; he is learning that some was unintentionally incomplete or inaccurate and some was deliberately skewed. And, once he was in office, he was briefed on situations that are so highly classified that he did not know of their existence or extensiveness prior to that time, and he is taking judicious steps to learn about and eliminate all the cancers in institutions that adversely impact life in his country.

The United States is not the only country teeming with situations in vital need of reforms and not all can be quickly accomplished. Your world is in a "birth" process, so to say, and every nation is experiencing the stages of gestation prior to a successful "delivery." However, because the United States is perceived to be the most powerful nation economically and militarily, hopeful eyes of the world are upon it. The light generated by individuals everywhere affects what happens in the States and simultaneously benefits the entire world. All of Earth's souls except the ones steeped in darkness passionately want an end to war, tyranny and rampant corruption, and their light streamers will continue to increase in intensity until peoples worldwide are free of darkness and the conditions it creates.

We empathize with your longing for an end to haranguing about peace instead of negotiating in good will to achieve it, an end to all violence and impoverishment, an end to all suffering and injustices. That is why we lovingly urge you to keep the glow of the Golden Age in your thoughts and hearts and radiate that light into the collective consciousness to more swiftly manifest the world you do want."

Snipped from Suzy Wards site...

In the meantime, I sign petitions, write to Congress and participate in the change I would like to see.

10/2/09 3:28 AM  
Blogger bacalove said...

I cannot believe that some cannot see the change Pres. Obama and his team have already started. The transperency, the civility of tone, the re-direction of Money now to go into rebuilding America instead of into phony wars and hands of already rich men. By working with the energy of goodwill and the will to good, Team Obama is hoping to bring about changes through unity of purpose and not separatism. Love not hate. There will be money used for science and innovations and the greening of America, finally. Who poisons the well with these false assertions? Oh ye of little faith!

10/2/09 6:45 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

This discussion is great JM, it's really alive... plenty of dissent ;-) If anyone wants complete consensus or not to be challenged, Raging Universe has never been the place for that! I'm fine with not knowing what's really going on, the not being certain. That's when inspiration has always come to me before.

10/2/09 10:19 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I have got to say that I have been lurking a bit and rather admire the blog. Congratulations. he thoughts are analytical and not served up as astrological propaganda. I also have to say that the ideas and sentiments expressed lately are more in tune with mine. However, be cautioned that I have never drunk the koolaid, so Obama is not disappointing me. I didn't trust him from the get go, and as a practicing astrologer predicted this exact behavior well over a year ago in a lengthy natal analysis of the man. The missteps with appointments, the personality defects, the trillion dollar 'jock strap', the coziness with the establishment, all are no surprise to me. It's right there in his chart for all to see if one would have only dispensed with the rose colored astro granny specs. You are correct in that no one really understands this 'stimulus' bill. I have reviewed a listing of where the money is going. Very disturbing to say the least. And does anyone really understand the impact that a National Coordinator of Health Information with access to all of your personal medical records, and the ability to decide whether YOU should have medical treatment or not would be? Scary stuff. Missteps like this is how Liberty could die. The upcoming astrology is ghastly and I maintain rather difficult to define. However I believe glancing at the Sibly chart that the 'stimulus', like a vibrator, will give brief moments of pleasure, then the batteries will die.

10/2/09 11:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some people are still not reading the fine print behind Obama's policies and still listening to the
rhetoric of promises, and not following the actions behind the scenes. State Secrets remaining State Secrets, as Bush proclaimed,
is not a progressive move towards accountability in our Gov. When investigations of the Bush administration are not acted upon, we will come to realize that we are only under an illusion of change. Time will not change the facts.

10/2/09 11:02 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm fine with not knowing what's really going on, the not being certain. That's when inspiration has always come to me before.

One of the most important realities of living, mpk. No one knows. Doubt is one of our most important experiences. Keeps us searching for our truths.

10/2/09 1:01 PM  
Blogger Fernmountain said...

Personally, I am looking forward to the gov't breaking down, and imagine a world w/out money as it's currency. So I don't sweat the stimulus, or other such things. They are self imploding as we speak.

I do think that We the peeps elected Obama knowing this is whats coming. At least I did. Someone needs to be at the helm when the ship goes down.

Hey look on the bright side, the Federal Reserve just hired a Consumer Protection man. That is change indeed. Though I don't expect it to help much this late in the game. It's as though they just woke up to reality! They were thinking the sub prime mess was due to lending to blacks and latino's...HA HA HA You mean the consumer has a part to play with the safety of the banks? They only just now figured that out.

10/2/09 1:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Chiron, welcome.

However, be cautioned that I have never drunk the koolaid, so Obama is not disappointing me.

How wise. You are really welcomed at this point. We need to do something. Your comment is honey in the rock, and I am soothed by your honesty.
I woke up today very disturbed. His narcissism is out of control and we are in trouble. His game playing is also out of control duping the people like he is. What a relief to read this.


I believe glancing at the Sibly chart that the 'stimulus', like a vibrator, will give brief moments of pleasure, then the batteries will die.

That's exactly what I called it when talking with tseka! A vibrator from the sky! The package is a total corporate giveaway of influence peddling and we are so screwed I can't believe it. But just think of Pluto in Cap. We have no way out.

I know about the medical records and I am horrified because it's only the beginning with Pluto in Capricorn. FISA was no fluke.

I wanted to go further into the problems you see in his chart but I'm getting so sick of him at this point with his Leo insanity and neverending drama that I can't decide which way to go. I'm kicking myself for being trapped in it.

The coziness with the establishment is the main thing and you are one of the few who gets it. SN in Aquarius wants away from the people and Saturn in Capricorn wants on to the yachts with the rich. But the establishment is rejecting him. He is going to use us to the max. We are in trouble. All his little emergency e-mails getting them all aroused and afraid. He's worse than the last one because he's more deceptive. I'm not going to mince words just to please the lost and forlorn crowd. So glad for you Chiron. And yes, the astrology coming up is tough and I think we should prepare. The delusions now are impossible, but I "hope" they'll be brief.

The man is using the people horribly and the only thing he's doing now is saving his political hide.
I wanted to give up today but after reading your comment, I can continue. Please contribute as much as you possibly can. I'm in a headwind and I'm only 5 ft. tall and skinny!

10/2/09 1:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Dble Aries yes!!!!! The States Secrets thingy. He's going to grab for every bit of power he can because he's weak and in over his head. He's a kid playing president. A perfect tool of the establishment, and I hope we are protected as I've always believed. We are.

Four years of this narcissism is not a pleasant thought.

10/2/09 1:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Personally, I am looking forward to the gov't breaking down.

Excellen Fern. Very very wise. We need it and it's happening.

But forget Obama leading. He has Neptune in the 1st now and he is sinking more than anyone.

We can do it without him. We have to lead ourselves. It's an exciting time and there will be rejoicing in the end. Later.

10/2/09 1:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with m.p.k that the discussion is great.

It's worth meditating on this post so that a feeling of powerlessness can be transformed into
acceptance...which can in turn lead to the transformational powers of Pluto, maybe?
I just feel as though those powers aren't available, otherwise. Well said, Chris.

I really do enjoy the way Jm weaves astrology into the current affairs of US politics. That is why I come here to read your posts. Thank you jm for creating this vibrant, intelligent community. It is good.

10/2/09 1:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Omg, duCan. Thank you so much. I struggle with it every day feeling that politics and me don't mix. There's so much animosity when it comes to that subject, as a barfly knows. We have a code -- never discuss religion or politics. And it's usually adhered to. Until now. It's on everyone's mind. A a genuine awakening. First I've seen.

I agree with you completely about chris's Pluto statement.

I happen to be a narrow-minded, know-it-all, pompous aging windbag with nothing left to lose, so I have some trepidation about being on the scene! But I also have pertinent information and the force with which I express my opinions only serves to strengthen yours. How's that for rationalization?!!

I'm pretty riled up now, but you all know that. I think we have some exciting potential around and I'm more enthused than ever. Thanks again to everyone for the lively input.

You ain't seen nothin' yet. Uranus in Aries? My stars.

10/2/09 2:21 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

I usually trust my body, as long as I have my spirit hooked up to it when I'm asking the question it's accurate and contains unconscious knowledge which I can sometimes bring to consciousness. It has some analog of the outer world. My first reaction to the thread was from my body... it said "I've been overstimulated and I've already numbed you down because of it. If you don't stop it I'm going to break down further"

10/2/09 2:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You are one body in a billion.

10/2/09 2:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Can you imagine the dialog going on every second amongst the brillions of cells in our bodies? Talk about stimulus packages.

It's stimulation time! You know the dance.

10/2/09 2:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think I'm democratic, but I'm not sure. My chart says I should be an autocrat, but I'm scared. So who's the boss? Equality or inequality? Leo-Aquarius. So many decisions and impossibilities.

Anyhoo .....

It's right there in his chart for all to see if one would have only dispensed with the rose colored astro granny specs.

Such a big problem for this country. I feel sad for the people now, being scared and depending on this new man with no resume, but just a way with words. Quite a manipulative way. I sense that they know deep down they shouldn't trust him.

A trillion dollars given away without knowing or caring where it's going. That's how we got to this point. Just let daddy take care of business. Blind following.

It's too late for e-mails and phone calls. These politicians are so entrenched in this zillion dollar scam that the only thing they can do is pretend to do what you want and get your votes so the game can continue. You cannot imagine what's going on and waking up is the only available route now. It's gone too far.

But this is just the kind of precipice we need to be on as a collective to find the courage we need to do what we have to do. This governmental breakdown was a long time in the making and now the powers are panicking. So it's especially important to consolidate and gather strength. It's a battle and even those who care not to engage will feel the effects.

The denial now is staggering and the attempt to convince themselves, when all the writing is clearly on the wall, is cause for energy.

It seems more than ever what I'm doing is vital, and here's what's disturbing. Almost 80% of the country supports this man unconditionally, without knowing any of the secret things he's doing, hidden very well by his prominent Neptune and Scorpio MC. The trillion dollar giveaway is tragic after the trillion spent on electing and inaugurating him For what? We can't afford this.

But the worst part is how the 5% minority is being squashed as you see here. In the end, the vitality of the dissenting minority will be the country's saving grace. So the pokes and pricks are serving a grand purpose all the way around. If the 80% majority feels that threatened then we're doing something right. Survival is energy and friction. And most advances in civilization start with the few.

10/2/09 2:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Brillions? Heheh. I think my arithmetic has caught up.

10/2/09 2:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

A tiny bit more.

80% is not healthy for a democracy, but I'm sure that will change. Normally we're split down the middle in this country and that's one of its best characteristics. It will adjust.

Those that trust this man have their reasons and they are right, so those of us who don't should not be a problem. We are such a slim minority. A tiny sliver. I don't think you'd really want us to abandon our positions. You can use us.

This man is a loner and with Saturn in Capricorn, as I said, he desperately wants to be accepted by the establishment. It might appear that it happens, but in the end, probably not, with Pluto on his way to the guy's 12th house Saturn.

He just got the crap beaten out of him by this desired group so he's run back to the campaign trail, where he is comfortable and successful. The people are simple to manipulate. But still he will have this barrier in DC that he wants more than anything to crack. That's the nature of Saturn in Capricorn. The SN in Aquarius is the revolutionary past, and he's stuck repeating it with his Aquarius points. But Capricorn is where he's headed. And NN in Leo is the opposite of a democrat. Saturn in the 5th and SN in Leo in the adminstration's chart speak of these difficult dilemmas. He's really caught between a rock and a hard place with little chance out at the moment. The 12th house jail I mentioned before.

So he's back on the trail essentially in a panic and campaigning for 2012. The people are still swooning over every word that comes from his mouth, but the challenges are looming and this campaign schtick won't always work.

In the end, he might end up still the loner, criticized by the establishment and the Left, which would be ideal. That would leave us on our own to really get down and take charge of our governance.

I've repeated this a brillion times - the dependency on him now is understandable but will not last through the Pluto transit of the Cancer stellium. Saying good-bye to a parent is one of the hardest things we do, but one of the finest.

We can come home to ourselves and as the economy creates the social problems ahead, hopefully we can work in our communities to shelter and feed the people who will need those things, as well as support one another in creating the lives we want, cherishing the relationships that help us through. Trusting those who truly care about us. Cancer needs that but Pluto is going to reroute the search.

It could very well be that this online community is preparation for this consolidation. Pluto in Capricorn is consolidation of influence on all fronts. There might be a go-between, connecting the people and their government eventually, but I think the collective consolidation has to come first.

Aries-Capricorn is the perfect time to do this so people know what they need and learn how to get it, outside of parental guidance.

Independence is one of the best sensations I know of, speaking as a Cancer with an Aries rising and Capricorn MC.

And here's the thing about love. If you honestly love this man, you'd relieve the pressure on him to rescue you - not squeeze the life out of him - and let him pursue his destiny while you pursue yours. Everyone will gain in the end this way. You know we're going to make it. Making it good would be the best. On our own.

10/2/09 4:34 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

I can't help but think of Bob Dylan.

"Don't follow leaders"

Tarnas is a big fan of Dylan as well. He said at a talk I attended in fall 2007 that the period ahead looked to him just like as described in Dylan's "Hard Rains Gonna Fall".

10/2/09 7:19 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...


Thank you so much for the welcome and the acceptance. My views are a bit eccentric being a long time far left, gay activist, businessman, astrologer who realized that many online astrologers were twisting interpretation to enhance their own political bias, predominately in favor of Obama. I have tried very hard to keep my political predilictions separate and apart from my professional astrological analysis and interpretation. It is difficult since it is human nature to try to bolster one's point of view by claiming it is written in the stars. However the planets have a knack for upending even the most cautious and staid forecast and taking a turn in that barely noticed fork in the road. Don't be overconcerned about that 71%. Remember George Bush was at 83% once. The higher up they are the bigger the thump when they hit their ego swelled head on the cement.

10/2/09 8:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Dylan had a lot to say about our leaders, all pretty accurate. Did Tarnas say that about hard times? Hmmmm...

I am so ready for these times. They're seldom as hard as feared and the challenges are so invigorating and productive. I'm optimistic in an entirely new way. Hard is good with Capricorn.

10/2/09 9:57 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh, I'm so glad to hear from you Chiron. It's true about the 71%. I was just thinking, "How am I going to endure this for 4 years?" The rock star game. The lights went up on the first prime time press conference and the star arose on the screen once again to dazzle his audience. Then the invitation to tell your economic disaster story. It about makes me gag. It's as hokey as George Bush, and I expect him to take it on the trail with the requisite crying and all to jerk the emotions of the public, and I cringe. I understand it, being a Cancer, but still. I can also see through it. It's all a part of this Pluto-Venus opposition and the Hallmark Card stuff just doesn't cut it. Well, it's true, it's an age old standard in a Dear Abby world.

I fell for it at first, but I got over it quickly. I knew better anyway. As soon as Pluto hit my Mars I was slammed with reality and I was immensely relieved. Keeping up these illusions is tiresome. It's amusing but also frustrating to soak up the astro analyses that are so slanted, but I hope I don't do it as well in my criticism.

Many are twisting in favor of Obama in all areas, but the fear and longing for better times naturally are making this happen. It must be necessary, and I wonder how much to present the alternative, but I do think it's also necessary and the time has come. The Pollyanna-ists, although I used to be partly one of those, are starting to get to me because times are changing and there's so much to do.

I looked at the positives in his chart at first, but the looming Saturn in Cap in the 12th was so bad, that I didn't discuss it. And, of course, the Neptune. Now I can. His SN in Aquarius is also a big minus in terms of the common man, but you can never tell which way it will go. So I waited a minute, but it didn't take long to see which way it was swinging. You were prescient as well as wise in not betraying astrological accuracy.

The higher up they are the bigger the thump when they hit their ego swelled head on the cement.

Man, I'm tellin' you. This one's got it bad. He won't leave the audience alone to even breathe. The "no-drama" is the biggest lie I've ever heard in politics. Every word he utters comes with mega spotlights. It's exhausting, and when the thump comes, the people will breathe a sigh of relief.

However the planets have a knack for upending even the most cautious and staid forecast and taking a turn in that barely noticed fork in the road.

This is what I love the most about astrology. We're not meant to know and the universe loves to surprise. Keeps us jumping and alive.

So I suppose the bending to shape it all to their wishes is harmless, but I'd love to get your analyses and I think the people have an appetite for the more realistic now. The negativity will be getting less scary as Pluto progresses and truth will likely be a welcome relief after the granny specs. I'm curious about your opinions on the Uranus-Pluto square. No matter what happens, I'm looking forward to the energy and thrust.

And btw, eccentric is preferred here. That's my area of expertise.

11/2/09 2:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm beginning to see what you're saying. Today I stopped at the bank to make my mortgage payment and they had CNN blatting away in the lobby. Obama was hawking the stimulus plan and taking questions from the audience of regular folks. The fawning was astounding, almost like little first-graders jumping up and down hoping to be called on by the teacher. One college-age boy was almost in tears saying "how incredible it is to finally meet you" etc etc. Yikes.

The contrast between well-spoken Obama and verbally-challenged Bush was also astoundingly obvious here. Maybe, just maybe, the extremes we're looking at will finally even out to a sane middle-ground.

11/2/09 4:34 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I'd be happy to post or send it if you'd like. Unfortunately it's a bit lengthy.

11/2/09 6:55 AM  
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11/2/09 7:33 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

What a great, great thread.

I'm sidelined with a hand injury- you guys are like the kiss that makes it all better.

Chiron, nice to see you here can you link with an anchor reference?

lemme see if i can put it here for you nope, but here's a page that does the job

11/2/09 7:55 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Tseka. thank you. I will work on that this evening at home.

11/2/09 9:38 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

But here is an interesting thought excerpted from a post from one of my daily must read sites, Hillbuzz.

"Currently burning up the tubes: Rep. Paul Kanjorski’s description, late last month, of how close to the brink the global economy came on September 18. That was the day, recall, when Congressional leaders emerged stunned from a meeting with Henry Paulson, and gave him broad authority to spend $700 billion.

Part of what he said:

On Thursday at 11:00 a.m. the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the U.S., to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help and pumped a $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there.

If they had not done that, their estimation is that by 2:00 p.m. that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the U.S., would have collapsed the entire economy of the U.S., and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.

Scary, scary stuff.

And here we thought Goldfinger and the like were just fictitious James Bond villains. But, none of of those guys ever came as close to destroying the world as George Soros did on September 18th.

And now the question begs…if Soros (or someone else like him), engineered this run on the financial markets to ensure Obama’s victory, what did Soros want to get out of that deal? Surely it wasn’t just because he really, really liked Obama.

Could this Trillion Dollar Jockstrap of Spending Obama’s pushing through Congress have anything to do with payback for Soros’ election help?"

11/2/09 10:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am astonished that the cost of the 08 election slipped through the cracks and no one is talking about the outrageous amounts of money that was raised and spent by all candidates. That money could have ended world hunger/poverty and provide clean drinking water to all who are still drinking unclean water.
How were they able to raise such record breaking amounts of money with people loosing their homes and jobs, and which segment of the economy benefitted from the money raised? Where did all this money end up? duCan

11/2/09 11:48 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

George Soros

11/2/09 12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw Rep Kanjorski's program on c-spann. It was/is terrifying. Wonder what Geithner's real role is? His actions are questionable. I also read an article written by Dave Lindoroff, to forget third parties, and start bigger Mass Movements. The movement ideas, grow everyday. Americans are becoming more alert. This blog is wonderful to gather info and to vent frustrations. His choices in his administration will start the downward spiral. Their actions will speak louder than his speeches. Geithner is a Wall Street Golden Boy. But the best is yet to come, when the famous SOS, Hillary starts her march around the world, and the insane holdover of Sec. Defense Gates starts more manipulation of the rules of the military. Pluto will strip away all the pretense, and shadows.

11/2/09 12:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Maybe, just maybe, the extremes we're looking at will finally even out to a sane middle-ground.

Now wouldn't that be refreshing? I've been waiting endless decades for something resembling sanity out there.

That was a great great description of the bank trip! I love good writing. The "blatting of CNN." LOL!

11/2/09 1:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Tseka! Shoot! Here's a another kiss for the boo-boo!

11/2/09 1:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Could this Trillion Dollar Jockstrap of Spending Obama’s pushing through Congress have anything to do with payback for Soros’ election help?"

We never know the details of these things, but a lot of people have their greedy fingers in the pie coming out of this oven. The latest I heard was that the middle class tax cuts were going to be curtailed. How bad can it get before they realize? Omg.

However, it's beyond these criminals in the end, considering metaphysics. As a whole, we've let it happen. So maybe this blog and others like it will be an infinitesimal part of rerouting, even if it takes a century.

But still, these creeps and their jockstrap fixes are annoying. But the worst, is the people's obedience.

And get this insanity. the "spending fix" is supposed to get people to spend. Right? So Obama the Great is on the trail admonishing the children, while they're genuflecting and crying - telling them not to spend. Is this universe real????

What a sham.

11/2/09 2:08 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I am astonished that the cost of the 08 election slipped through the cracks and no one is talking about the outrageous amounts of money that was raised and spent by all candidates.

I am, too, and I thought of all the hungry and struggling they mention in passing when they want a vote. The nerve of them saying they care. This is exactly why we're where we are. the sense of entitlement pervades all of society and when it comes to indulging these desires or making a better world, the indulgence always wins.

Where did all this money end up?

Good question. One hardly anyone seems interested in. A lot of it went to laborers and businesspeople, but that's a one shot deal. It doesn't stimulate a dying economy. I keep mentioning the millions spent on signs saying "change". A trillion dollar lies and how many trees? They won't grow hemp, at least, to provide for their lies.

It's like the Obama hat they offered for purchase if I wanted change. Why bother with the stupid hat. Is that the lure people need to care about their society? Does an American Idol bring us prosperity? Or even sustenance? And so many are buying. Buying nothing.

One large problem is the hypocritical Left wing that talks about egalitarianism, then supports this madness without reservation. As you said, duCan, no one speaks up.

11/2/09 2:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

His choices in his administration will start the downward spiral.

I agree. That's why I am so interested in the 29 Scorpio Moon of the administration. Down the vortex. It would be too much to believe that it could happen in 4 years, but it might be the start.

Their actions will speak louder than his speeches.

His opponents were right about the speeches. I think the time might come when the speeches fail to work. I think the frenzy belies the underlying distress. I don't know, but perhaps the Mercury retro in the chart will give pause and time to perceive some truth.

When I first heard him speak, it was early in the campaign and the joy in the crowd was real. He was new and refreshing. But the last rally for 100,000 was entirely different. There was a hard edge and joylessness to the gathering. He says the same tired things now, and deep down is a phoniness that people sense. I think there could have been a genuine streak at one time, but politics bleeds it out. The plea for something real and different during the campaign seems to have been his overwhelming desire to win, judging from his actions since. I am very uncomfortable with him being back on the trail manipulating crowds.

Pluto will do his part. We have to do ours. I do see more participation, and I also agree that the discontent will build until something can/could be accomplished. People clinging to the hope, rationalizing like crazy, is the sad part. It's likely to continue through the Pluto opposite Venus in Cancer transit, indicating emotional manipulation, with his Moon square Pluto.

Geithner is a tragedy. One of many. All part of the Uranus in pisces finale.

11/2/09 2:52 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

JM, thanks deerheart the kiss came through with a nice zing. It's just a little sacrifice to the muses.

11/2/09 4:47 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Love, those Hillbuzz guys!

11/2/09 4:48 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I kiss good. But my hugs are tops.

Speaking of zings -- that's what you bring every time, injuries notwithstanding. I hope the muses are satisfied. They're good gals. Don't ask for much. Heheh. Mostly, from what I understand, they preferred to be left to themselves to frolic in nature.

11/2/09 5:03 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Hugging, it's one of my specialties too!

Just reading at Agonist one of my fave econ blogs that Sweden and Norway both had increase in home sales and prices in Jan after the big slump. In January!

You know that I've been keeping tabs on the Scandinavian countries that took themselves off the "oil currency" some years ago. They were among first targeted with the current "banking crisis" and it's been quite interesting to see how they have responded. Very different than the US, very.

Maybe there will be some clues for us.

11/2/09 7:21 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

ps left a snack in the cafe for you.

11/2/09 7:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Interesting news from Norway and Sweden. Hmmmm....

11/2/09 9:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's all quite logical. Here are the numbers among Obama's main contributors:

Goldman Sachs $955,223
JPMorgan Chase & Co $642,958
Citigroup Inc $633,418
UBS AG $505,017
IBM Corp $489,842
Morgan Stanley $483,523

It's wild. Almost like a magnetic mechanism driving this thing that's making people do the wrong things. Some inner machine that wants to get to the root of it all. It makes me think things will ultimately work out all right.

Here's a really strange piece of information:

Federal judges on Monday tentatively ordered California to release tens of thousands of inmates, up to a third of all prisoners, in the next three years to stop dangerous overcrowding.

As many as 57,000 could be let go if the current population were cut by the maximum percentage considered by a three-judge panel.

And they're supposed to find jobs? Maybe another stimulus package with tons of social programs. In between failed bank bailouts.

When I looked at the depression and how the government bailed out the people with Pluto in Cancer, I assumed that the people would be bailing out the government this time in Capricorn. Little did I know how literal that would be.

12/2/09 4:18 AM  

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