Fantasy .. Let Me Introduce Reality
Reading Between the Lines
They say that the Pisces Moon is a sucker for a sad story, and right now, I'm pretty sure about the sucker part. The only difference is that the president's large convoluted speech to the world, under the New Moon in Pisces, refused to tell the sad part of the story -- more extortion, more war, more torture, more secrecy, more restriction of constitutional rights, and many other hard realities. It's not the time for grand visions of a green, prosperous, all-loving future, nor voyages back in history and forgotten eras. It's not the time for talk of America's returned greatness and magnificent leadership on the planet. We don't need window dressing and flowery speeches promising something that doesn't exist. We need truth and practical ways to cope with the economic disaster that has arrived. Truth about the continuing wars. Truth about what to expect.Like caged birds, the people are hoping for this man to spring them from their trap while their life's savings disintegrate to nothing and the secure bottoms of their worlds disappear. I hope they're released before they forget how to fly.
All the planets are clustered in the second quadrant except Saturn, adding great weight to its importance and looking a lot like the box the people are trapped in, with this sole planet offering the way out. Reality is trying to surface but submergence in the 12th house makes it impossible just yet. The way out itself is trapped in the house of confinement. Quite a configuration, all leading magically to the next Saturn-Uranus opposition.
The stellium in the 4th house and the Cancer-Capricorn meridian speak of some temporary comfort, but also the parental problems the nation is experiencing now as she grasps the lifeline in the form of this man pleading for him to save them from the inevitable sinking failure. He doesn't have the power to accomplish that, being just one part of a complex, entrenched system. The obsessive behavior of the Pluto opposition to USA Venus is repeated here as the country struggles with dependency. The Aquarian factor with the North Node says that maybe some much-needed independence will come eventually as the Uranus cycle of oppositions concludes.
The South Node in Leo in the 10th indicates that the pop star approach to governance will not be successful. Something false is sensed and the predominate position of Saturn shows that unadorned reality and genuine sorrow need to be experienced, and will be in due time. Pluto in the 3rd shows the mental manipulation this man is so good at with his Moon in Gemini square Pluto, but also the possibility with the country's transits to Mars in Gemini, that the people can read through the lines, even if by means of Braille at this point.
But here's the really interesting part. With transiting Uranus square US Mars in Gemini, some cutting awareness is present, whether acknowledged or not, beyond the sentimental need of Cancer and Pisces for sugar-coating and fairy tale expectations. Uranus will soon oppose US Neptune and the fantasy world will continue to unravel with transiting Saturn looming in the shadows and headed back to US Neptune and Mars. The ruler of the 4th house, Saturn, is in the Neptunian 12th house of the speech chart, repeating the pattern, getting ready to receive the full moon in two weeks. Very interesting. Reality certainly does lurk. Of course, it could mean that we actually get some details about the plans for our country in exchange for platitudes. Dramatic speeches and public adoration are not going to be adequate to lead the country at this time.
Soon Jupiter will join Neptune for a climax of illusion, but here again, another interesting event occurs. The zenith of delusion could come with this conjunction but within the event, Saturn will turn around and go direct stepping up the reality factor all the way to US Neptune. Jupiter and Neptune will then both turn retrograde, leaving Saturn to lead the way to the next Saturn-Uranus opposition, and the next break from the government. If it goes well, the unhealthy adulation of the man and the way too high expectations will diminish to a more reasonable level, and the people would benefit greatly from that development, although it will probably take until Uranus leaves Pisces for the process to be completed. Releasing the exhausting pretense will free up energy. The realities are going to be recognized one way or another, and ideally a more mature relationship with the person will result.
In the meantime, the people are gradually awakening to an understanding of their plight and are preparing to endure in their own ways whatever difficulties are ahead. And they will, as always, regardless of the leadership.
posted by jm at 3:31 AM
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Another great analysis. This jumped out at me: but also the parental problems the nation is experiencing now
Maybe, despite that first revolution 233 years ago, we still haven't cut the apron strings.
As humanity becomes more holistic, more integrated into their Souls or higher being, attributes of light (wisdom) and love (fairness, sharing), the Party which represents these attributes, will dominate to the dismay of the other party who stays separative, materialistic, critical, individualistic instead of group conscious. The Soul is group conscious and knows no separation from each other. This will be our future state. Conflict will end and love and goodwill will abide. It is not so far off as you may think, because there will be on Earth more enlightened Souls and less of those separative egos who cannot love their brothers as theirselves, and these egos who will represent the phase-out party, will find themselves on the wrong side of destiny and evolution.
“At the center of all love I stand. From that center I the Soul will outward move. From that center I the one who serves will work. May the love of my Divine Self be shed abroad, in my heart, through my group, and throughout the world.”
JM
I looked at the chart and to me it is like a blinding light.
Uranus in the 6th in Capricorn - serving the future/establishing new social order.
Saturn in 12th in Virgo - work in seclusion to develop a new practical way of working.
It is clear what the message was and where it was delivered.
President Obama's message to the nation Tuesday night was plain and unequivocal: The era of bashing government is over. So, too, is the folklore of a marketplace capable of producing abundance without regulation, government oversight or public intervention.
E.J. Dionne - Wapo
Obama serves the Uranian energy. The GOP serves the Saturnian energy. It was clear in Jindal's absolute disaster in response. The GOP is 'in the wilderness' and they will need to find a way out which may take decades as they work in complete isolation. It gives me great pleasure to watch them thresh and die is some convulsed, biblical death spasm.
I grew up the tip of the spear of Gen-X. As the Sex Pistols so aptly put it...
I wanna be an anarchist
Get pissed, destroy
or KMFDM
I made a god out of blood
Not superiority
I killed the king of deceit
Now I sleep in anarchy
No it is not time for grand visions of a green, prosperous, all-loving future, nor voyages back in history and forgotten eras. No, we literally want to burn the f*&^er to the ground. But it is how we do it that is so beautifully attractive. We are the DIY generation. We are the fix it generation. We trade chocolate bars for ovens, we blog newspapers into dust, we desktop publish, we carry phones everyhwere and the fixed line becomes obsolete, we shop online and brick and mortar crumbles, we want to plug in our cars and watch oil companies collapse. We ask for health care for all and Big Pharma & Insurance Co's shovel money in the political machine to insulate there profit machine and suck the blood of the collective. Is there any wonder why they don't want change? Is there any wonder that this will not be all out war? We do not believe in the idol Obama as the answer but we do understand his message but he is just the beginning. The core problem in my estimation is Geithner/Summers, the cronyism. This will not stand as the astrology clearly shows. The disruptive energies have been released and they will continue to erode the structures that stand in the way of progress. No it is not springtime, it is the time of collapse. It is winter but Rome is beginning to burn and inside I feel the warmth.
Those who believe that there really is a substantive difference between the American political parties, participate in the continuing self delusional stupor the nation continues to find itself in again and again. The chart is remarkable JM. But the MC represents public perception and reaction. Tellingly, Neptune and Chiron are in remarkable quincunx to the MC. Pizzaz! Golly gee willekers Mr. Bill, that really isn't a transit of acceptance. Rather I think that there is a sense of confusion. Rather like a cancer patient listening to the proposed newest treatment, there is skewered hope, but confusion and deep seated fear. I am adding here a link to the site of famed Serbian astrologer Nikola Stojanovic's site. In 1997 he predicted the fall of the American Empire which is ushered in with the election of Amercia's 1st black president. His timing was impeccable. The rest of his site is fascinating. Enjoy.
http://www.astrologyinserbia.com/e/index.html
chiron
I drink in my self delusional stupor.
If that is the way it crumbles, so be it.
Have blowtorch, will travel...
Great Chart and analysis jm.
You wrote:
"He doesn't have the power to accomplish that, being just one part of a complex, entrenched system."
Back in October a very old African American grand mother told CNN she did NOT want MR. Obama to win the election because he was too skinny to fix the problems he would be inheriting. She went on to say that after it is broken and in tatters they give it to the black man to fix.
This was a very wise grand mother.
Good comments Chiron. 10 years ago a Russian economist predicted the fall of the American Empire around this time. ( I will try to give the link)
What would McCain and Palin be doing now if thy had won in November? I am curious.
On Tuesday night the President said he would rather be doing something than nothing at this time. He will never be able to please everyone.
The President is open to suggestions and is reading letters from ordinary Americans. All those people who think they can fix the problems should write to him with their suggestions.
I sincerely hope and pray that we are not witnessing the fall of the American Empire as that would be catastrophic to the rest of the world.
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA
Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET
A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts. Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything.
The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion.
Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse." The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.
When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."
When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia." Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons.
Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."
He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions." He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong. He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."
Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.
POSTED BY JOSEPH | 2:07 PM
Sorry, I couldn't send the link here is the entire article from the Sunday Times of London: This is a fascinating read.
Sunday, January 04, 2009 Times of London.
Rusty superpower in need of careful driver
Obama built his campaign on a positive vision, but in reality he will be the first US President to manage an empire in decline
Matthew Parris
How often does a leader know, before he asks us for our votes, what office will ask of him? He mouths the promises of the moment but history may have a different task in mind. The role may be glorious, it may be tedious, but - count on this - it will be different.
Barack Obama declares and believes that he will change America, and that this "makes possible incredible change in the world".
The accent throughout has been on the positive. Making things possible has marked the whole tenor of his campaign. Hope, optimism, ambition, confidence, reform amounting almost to renaissance - such has been his appeal. "Yes, we can" was a cocky, but not an empty slogan. A deep and swelling sense of the possible, focused on America's future but rooted in America's past, has dominated the struggle for the presidency. It would hardly be an exaggeration to call Mr Obama's promise transfigurative.
But maybe destiny has other plans. America's fate in the half-century ahead is not to be transfigured, but to be relegated. Steering your team through a relegation can be as important a test of leadership as handling a promotion, but it is a different test. Though he may not yet know it, the role for which the US President-elect has been chosen is the management of national decline. He will be the first US president in history to accept, and (if he has the gift) to teach, not the possibilities but the constraints of power.
The fate of his predecessor George W.Bush was to test almost to destruction the theory of the limitlessness of American wealth and power - and of the potency of the American democratic ideal too. With one last heave he pitched his country into a violent and ruinous contest with what at times seemed the whole world, and the whole world's opinion. He failed, luminously.
But maybe somebody had to. Maybe we shouldn't be too hard on President Bush for donning a mantle hardly of his own making but a well-worn national idea created in the triumph and hegemony of victory in the Second World War. Maybe somebody had to wear those fraying purple robes one last time and see how much longer the world would carry on saluting; to pull the levers of the massive US economy one last time and see if there was any limit to the cash that the engine could generate; to throw the formidable US war machine into two simultaneous foreign wars and test - and find - a limit.
Eight years later it's haemorrhage, not regeneration, that the Obama presidency will have to nurse as it looks ahead. Europeans tend to consider presidential prospects in terms of US foreign policy - and there's much bleeding still to do in Afghanistan - but the incoming president's dominating concerns will surely be domestic and economic, and the two are spliced.
As a keen amateur car mechanic I have, since the age of 16, been puzzled by something about America. Here was a nation crazy about automobiles and held out to me as the last word in modernity, innovation, capitalist dynamism and go-ahead technology in all that it did. But its cars weren't any good. I say "weren't" - we're talking 1965 here - because some commentary about the current woes of General Motors, Ford and Chrysler has suggested that it is in recent years that the US automotive industry has slipped behind; and it's certainly only quite recently that they've started losing a lot of money.
But the product, though always flashy, has been technologically inferior since the end of Second World War. While European carmakers were pioneering front-wheel drive, independent suspension, small diesel engines and efficient automatic gearboxes, the Americans kept churning out big, thirsty, fast-rusting, primitively engineered behemoths. Partly this was because fuel was cheap, but the oversprung American limo, loose-handling and imprecise, was always a pig to drive, too. At root the problem was lack of competition.
And when I visited America, first as a boy then as a postgraduate student (in the 1970s), what struck me was not the modernity of modern America, but its inefficiency and old-fashionedness. The bureaucracy was Stone Age, the postal service unreliable, medical and dental treatment twice the cost of private treatment in England, and government officials treated you like serfs. People lived richly and worked hard - that was undeniable - but in a parallel universe clumsily and wastefully managed, and beset with internal friction. You couldn't even get a bank account that worked properly outside your state; and, for all the ostentatious vigour of retail competition, there was a curious lack of diversity in product choice. Though infinitely more successful and politically free, it was in some indefinable way more like the Soviet Union than either country would have wished to acknowledge.
What (I now think) I was encountering as early as 40 years ago was an ageing empire, losing its edge, almost imperceptibly losing its immense economic momentum, but still indecently wealthy and impervious to the emerging challenge of competition.
Rather suddenly, all this has caught up with it.
Mr Obama's vision of change - love, brotherhood, welfare, green politics and a new spirit of idealism - could now prove as irrelevant to the challenges a new president finds himself confronting as is David Cameron's early compassionate conservatism to his stern message today.
Both men's first drafts of politics got them to the launch pad; neither will fuel their rockets after lift off.
Instead, Mr Obama will face hard choices about how much of what America does (and what Americans do) can be afforded any longer; the next four years may be the worst possible time for hugely expensive healthcare reforms, a generous helping hand to the world's poor or a new military surge in Afghanistan.
In 2009 the US national debt will surge by $2trillion: some 70 per cent of gross domestic product. In these circumstances the questions must be: What can we cut? Where can we pull out? What can we stop doing that we're doing now? Mr Obama's fight - if fight he must - will be with the forces of economic protectionism, with anti-immigrant sentiment and with organised labour feather-bedding, pension protection and job protection.
But first, and underlying all these scraps, Mr Obama will have to find a way of being honest with Americans about their country's fall from predominance. Reading, as I often do, the furiously chauvinistic online reaction from US citizens to any suggestion that their country can be beaten at anything, I quail for him.
We British know something about the loss of empire. Successive 20th-century prime ministers struggled both to manage relative national decline and to make it explicable to the electorate. It is upon this road that 21st-century American presidents must now set foot. Mr Obama will be the first. "Yes we can!" was an easy sentiment to recommend. "No we can't," will be a far, far harder thing to say.
Interesting as usual. I love your choice of photo for "reality."
I am looking at that Saturn in the 12 and the Uranus oppositions in the the chart of the moment and here's what the speech tells us strait away.
“Madame Speaker, Mr. Vice President, Members of Congress, and the First Lady of the United States…..”
Here's correct protocol:
Madame Speaker, Mr. Vice President, Members of Congress, Members of the Cabinet, Justices of the Supreme Court, Members of the Joint Chiefs, my fellow Americans.
acknowledging the first lady can be inserted just before, my fellow Americans.
This was not a flub, the speech was read as written.
So, where are the members of cabinet, joint chiefs, the Justices? Where are we the people?
Locked with Saturn in the 12th?
As i read this i was put in mind of Obama's greeting to the former Presidents of the United States at a breakfast, and to troops on leave in Hawaii at Christmas breakfast, "Hi guys" "How's it going?"
"Jupiter and Neptune will then both turn retrograde, leaving Saturn to lead the way to the next Saturn-Uranus opposition, and the next break from the government."
You said it my friend. And not a moment too soon IMO.
TRANSCRIPT
President Obama’s Address to Congress
Published: February 24, 2009
Following is a transcript of President Obama’s address to a joint session of Congress on Tuesday, as recorded by CQ Transcriptions.
OBAMA: Thank you very much.
Madam Speaker, Mr. Vice President, members of Congress, and the first lady of the United States... (APPLAUSE)
... who's around here somewhere...
(APPLAUSE)
... I have come here tonight not only to address the distinguished men and women in this great chamber, but to speak frankly and directly to the men and women who sent us here.
PSW wrote
Uranus in the 6th in Capricorn - serving the future/establishing new social order.
Saturn in 12th in Virgo - work in seclusion to develop a new practical way of working.
I can picture this. I also enjoyed the gen-x rant.
The analysis is brilliant all around. The disconnect between what's being said and what's really happening isn't fooling many people I know. That's relevant both to my personal life and the collective level and it's a great relief.
Ego. Ego. Ego. Staging. Set decoration but with a poor script. Hints of the mindset peak out and slap us in the face, and have from the beginning. The entitlement mindset ingrained and unaware of its own impoliteness. I chuckled this morning reading about the official, preliminary selection of the 1st dog. Maybe it will be the portugese, maybe not. It has a state schedule for arrival. The kids named it, but no, those names won't do. Not appropritae for Michelle. Maybe they could convince Spielberg to donate his time to stage manage the 1st poouch's arrival on the WH lawn from that 11billion dollar monstrosity Marine One. Most 'real' people. once they have made a decision to have a 'pet'
( and often when they haven't reached a premeditated decision for such a milestone) bond to an animal impromptu. More often the animal selects you! Something impenetrable in their soul reaches out and imparts the feeling 'I like you, I'm right for you, take me with you'. It really is more than a sixth sense. Having many companions and knowing several animal psychics who have read my 'guys' for me with amazing accuracy, I know that many times there is even a past life connection. So for me, this theatre is just garish. Take the girls to a breeder of an anti allergenic breed and pick the damn dog. But you see, I see this as emblematic of what will be the pattern over the next fours years and it doesn't inspire my confidence. I live in Hollywood so recognizing artifice when I see it comes naturally.
Great article from the Sunday Times, DuCan. Insightful. JM Tseka is correct, your illustrations are always stunning.
Couldn't agree more. Thanks.
Joe, I think this is one of the most important things happening. You put it so well with your natural abilities so meticulously developed(:o) ... "cutting the apron strings."
That's why I've been going off about the Cancer transits.
I love you PSW but I think you are a bit of a dreamer. Obama has a Saturn in Capricorn and that is establishment all the way. He wants in. Big time. He has a SN in Aquarius meaning he is leaving the Uranian energy behind. Yes he is serving it now, but against his will and it won't work. I know the SN well. He is trying to get in the door of the establishment but they won't have him. That is his struggle and why he became president. One day he will realize that it's not what he wants with his 12th house spiritual search, but he is far from there. That comes with the Pluto conjunction later. Meanwhile, it is wise to recognize what he's about. He is not serving humanity yet and he is not really on the side of the commoners. He is leaving that behind. We must forge ahead on our own. He is a large problem. A big part of our search for the apron string cut as joe knows. You will see in time. He's going to disappoint as he must for us to grow, and you'll be glad in the end.
We ask for health care for all and Big Pharma & Insurance Co's shovel money in the political machine to insulate there profit machine and suck the blood of the collective.
The collective is just as guilty. Where do you think this came from? The collective creates life together, and these entities are just a symptom. The commoners are no better than the elite. This must stop. We will not progress until people understand where the source of trouble is. Inside of each and every one of us. So bringing down the corporations will accomplish nothing unless the people find the truth in themselves. Their own greed.
core problem in my estimation is Geithner/Summers, the cronyism.
That's silly PSW and you know better. The core? C'mon. Pluto is after that but it's not in individual people. Really!
I sincerely hope and pray that we are not witnessing the fall of the American Empire as that would be catastrophic to the rest of the world.
There is no empire. That's a fallacy. The Europeans still dominate. The old money. That's what this Pluto return is all about. You believe too much of what others say. Americans have an inflated image of themselves and their power. We haven't come into it yet. After the Pluto return some of it might come.
Those who believe that there really is a substantive difference between the American political parties, participate in the continuing self delusional stupor the nation continues to find itself in again and again.
Thank you chiron.
We cannot make one step until the people realize this and put Obama where he is. He's a politician out for his political survival in a bad system.
Rather I think that there is a sense of confusion.
I made that point in the discussion of the room and the manic fake happiness. And the fact that underneath, the truth is being sensed.
The overblown worship is not acceptance, but it will continue. They can't help themselves being so afraid now. We truly have weak to no leadership, so the people are going to build the illusion of strength, confused as they are. Again, the Pluto oppositions will help over time.
In 1997 he predicted the fall of the American Empire which is ushered in with the election of Amercia's 1st black president.
That's poppycock. The fall already happened and as I said, there is no empire. It's just power re-distribution going on now. It's not that dramatic. This stuff is bullshit. You know what's happening. You don't need this.
Get a hold of yourselves everyone. It's the economic crash that's scaring the bejeeziss out of the crowd, and that can cause oppressive rule to rise, so naturally we're worried. But we'll be all right.
Economic collapses reroute and we survive. The earth is a mighty machine. You're all going nuts! But hey! What else is there to do when the goods dry up?
Though he may not yet know it, the role for which the US President-elect has been chosen is the management of national decline. He will be the first US president in history to accept, and (if he has the gift) to teach, not the possibilities but the constraints of power.
That's great duCan. Wonderfully put, accurate, and almost perfect. Thank you. The debate from me is the fact that he is not going to teach us the constrainst. Necessity will teach that. We will teach ourselves. if Obama gets re-elected his fall will probably come when Pluto opposes our Sun. By the end of the return, power will be constrained. The interesting part is 2020, when the big Capricorn conjunction arrives. That's a good piece. One of the few.
The fixation on Obama will have to conclude at some point. Later than I wish. But the article makes a basic good point. "No we can't". LOL.
I think people are comin' 'round. Will read the article in a sec.
Thanks for this, my Cold Northern One. Unusual.
OMG TSEKA!!!!! Asolutely brilliant.
He does this all the time. His infractions of the rules to suit his ego. He lied all through the speech. YOU ARE SO RIGHT about the people being trapped. And as I mentioned, the man is no friend of ours.
As i read this i was put in mind of Obama's greeting to the former Presidents of the United States at a breakfast, and to troops on leave in Hawaii at Christmas breakfast, "Hi guys" "How's it going?"
I did an article on that I was so mad! Embarrassing.
So, where are the members of cabinet, joint chiefs, the Justices? Where are we the people?
Locked with Saturn in the 12th?
OMG this great. It's all worth it.
The analysis is brilliant all around. The disconnect between what's being said and what's really happening isn't fooling many people I know. That's relevant both to my personal life and the collective level and it's a great relief.
Beautiful mpk. Thank you. This is wonderful. I'm so glad I found you all. We're going to do it.
I can't get over it. The comment on his speech. Amazing. So few pick up on these things.
Ego. Ego. Ego. Staging. Set decoration but with a poor script.
You got it my friend. Icarus, which I'm going to write about. Then comes hubris, then the fall.
I live in Hollywood so recognizing artifice when I see it comes naturally.
I cringed on election night when he said that about the dog. Cringed so deep. I knew then. I always pray the people know. One never knows.
So for me, this theatre is just garish. I see this as emblematic of what will be the pattern over the next fours years and it doesn't inspire my confidence.
Mine departed long ago. I'm bracing myself and might start nipping seagram's VO again. I can't afford Crown Royal.
Hey willow!
Incredible comments.
JM you wrote:
"He has a SN in Aquarius meaning he is leaving the Uranian energy behind. Yes he is serving it now, but against his will and it won't work. I know the SN well. He is trying to get in the door of the establishment but they won't have him. That is his struggle and why he became president. One day he will realize that it's not what he wants with his 12th house spiritual search, but he is far from there. That comes with the Pluto conjunction later. Meanwhile, it is wise to recognize what he's about. He is not serving humanity yet and he is not really on the side of the commoners. He is leaving that behind."
This is quintessential JM of RU. You are one great teacher. I was jolted by that explanation and reminded why I visit RU. I am back in your class room jm. Thank you so much.
DuCan!!!!! I am happy. I can't explain these things, ever, and that configuration is the most important part of his chart missed by all. So I give up and weep. No more!!!!!
Omg. The potential is astounding. I am psyched. Absolutely excited. I think we're getting somewhere. Breakthroughs. Uranus.
JM the snippet from the Serbian Stojanovic's astro site is intriguing since it comes from the perspective out of the old Soviet block, post soviet collapse & what their perspective holds. And more interestingly it was written in 1997. He did a fascinating piece on Bush but you would also enjoy his treatise on the 29th degree of signs, the power & illusion of Pisces and Neptune in Aquarius. He also speaks to the illuminati influence, Amercian presidents as figure heads and really where the power is.
Breakthroughs, ha, ha moment with lights flashing.
Uranus at his best.
Please don't weep my friend. I am humbled by your patience and explanations. I promise to sit here quietly minding my Ps and Qs.
Thanks once again.
I think this might have similarities to the Soviet collapse and yes, I think there is a real political collapse underway, but I hesitate to read these alarmist, probably too long, usually ego fractured pieces. But maybe I should:-) I tend to be prejudiced, but I'm running out of time and have to pick and choose!! Astrologers are usually awful, present company excluded.
I will definitely check out the 29th degree, one of my obsessions. Very interested in reading that.
The Illuminati lasted for a grand total of 10 years, and I know people think they went underground, but I don't. There are always those who would like to rule the world but they can't and never will, so conspiracy beliefs bore me.
It's not in the chip, and natural competition destroys any possibility of groups to dominate all of mankind. It's logistically impossible.
People's view of dangerous monoliths is an expression of their inner relationship with an overpowering authority in the psyche. We all have that to an extent and Pluto in Capricorn is meaning to get to that root.
Why would these humans have so much power? It doesn't make sense. It goes against survival. Occasionally powerful empire builders arise but thay always fall.
He also speaks to the illuminati influence, Amercian presidents as figure heads and really where the power is.
This I agree with absodamnlutely and totally. He is a figurehead. Where is the power? Know one knows. I know for sure it's not in humans. They're a mere speck in the mighty organism called the earth and the universe. Whatever evil ones dominate at any time, they come from collective need. I think the entire human race leads itself and no one faction can ever dominate for long.
So peering for the authority will probably get you right back to yourself. But 12th house Scorp is fully aware of the dangers of power, so I understand the reason for the search. There are outward symbols, but that's all they are. The source is fantastically elusive. There are bigger things to fear than other men. More real. Our inner demons, for example. They'd put the Illuminati to shame.
I quit crying. Ran out of tissues. And it blocks my sinuses.
The evil out there is exactly equal to the evil within. Some of us build on the good, but not the ones who broadcast it saying how full of divine love they are, superior to the rest. Incredible bullshit. Oneness doesn't breed superiority and getting rid of the evil ones.
The genuine building of the "good" characteristics makes for people who behave differently from the so-called "evil" ones. But I think we all have the same amount of each within. Just look at your dreams.
We're programmed to focus on the evil (proven in labs) so we see a dangerous world and tend to think evil dominates. I don't believe it does. I think the whole collective is a living breathing conscious organism just surviving.
Like your body. Phagocytes are gobbling entities while we speak and all kinds of evils are going on. It's in every system. But if it dominated, we wouldn't be here.
Yes, there is a vague possibility that evil will destroy the whole family, but I see that as unlikely. And if it happened, it would be for the best and no amount of paranoia would prevent it.
Life is fairly aggressive.
JM
For now I guess we'll have to agree on some level and disagree on another.
Of course.
It's impossible for people to agree with me. How on earth could they? I have wild aberrant opinions. Don't do a crazy thing like that, PSW!
It's important that we know our own minds and follow our inner directives. They work in favor of our survival and each one has different needs. I hope that people stick up for themselves as much as I do. Challenge is part of it. One day we'll have a society that reflects our independence, autonomy, courage, and magical uniqueness. One fine day.
The thing is, you can't hope to bring down the evil corporations if you are buying their products every day and putting money into the mutual funds that support them. The same funds that build weapons for the wars we cry about. Hating them is fine, but other things have to be included. Pluto in Capricorn, again, is trying to point these things out.
Maybe it's a division of labor. Some hate and write articles. Some boycott. Some build alternative businesses. It all goes together.
JM
I thought about taking a swing but I am comfortable with my inner directives. Don't get me wrong, I am completely ok with lighting it up but I also have learned mounting a fixed position leaves you no path but one. Butterflies bend with the wind...
I have wild aberrant opinions.
Now you are the one who is dreaming
You mean I'm normal???
The inner directive thing wasn't "directed" at you, PSW. That's all of us, me included. We aren't taught to think independently, or maybe it's wanting to belong so much as we get increasingly alienated with TV and all those things.
I did have the great fortune to have one teacher in HS who fostered individuality and I will never forget it. I got lucky.
The tradition comes and goes. The one of debate and philosophical differences. Right now maybe there's more urgency so we don't have the leisure time to explore these things so much. But Uranus in Aries is bound to cultivate our differences once again.
Right now maybe there's more urgency so we don't have the leisure time to explore these things so much.
This is a time in which we must JM. We may not always agree but the discussion must be raised. Everyone's perspective.
Think of the greater dynamic.
As above, So below.
With this, I agree, PSW.
Well said.
DuCan
A little more on the SN in Aquarius ....
I'm speaking up in defense of a weaning from Obama because I think it's very important. When I first saw the node I gave him the benefit of the doubt since he has to repeat the actions this lifetime. The ruler Uranus is conjunct his North Node so I thought he might use his ego for the benefit of everyone, both the establishment and the commoners. Thus I supported him, despite the ominous 12th house Saturn. I thought he might lead our revolution if things went well. I should have known better considering our Pluto situation, but I refused to face it.
Tseka's observation said it all. He's drunk with the crowd's love and his inflated ego, and once that gets a toehold, the prognosis is not good. he's moving too fast, trying too hard, and flying too high. And it's not all about him in the end. All for the better as the country matures. But he could too.
I think his major revolutionary act was to break the color barrier and now his work is done. He has his own 12th house destiny to work on and we can work on ours.
I think the lessons include our separation from leaders altogether like your wonderful article hints at. He's smart and I believe we will follow some of his stuff, especially his ideas on crossing lines of communication, and, of course, he could turn out to be a dynamic successful leader by the end. But I think we should prepare for the alternative too.
People are putting a lot of weight on him, pulling, pulling, pulling, and this way the whole she-bang can sink. With obsessive Pluto opposite Venus in his chart and the country's, we all might have to let go in the next couple of years as Uranus enters Aries. If people loved him genuinely they would put less pressure on him, so I don't think they do. They are primarily afraid. And if he were a great one he wouldn't allow the worship.
Saturn retro in the 12th is a deep longing for spiritual fulfillment and it won't come easily. He will likely have to be brought way down from his ego heights in a big fall at some point before Pluto gets there. It takes great genuine humility for that kind of spiritual accomplishment. Failure is a large part of it so he can renounce worldly ambition and seek the inner philosophical, religious one. I think this is the prelude.
The ideal for him would be a sort of monastic life in a sense, maybe not literally, with a partner considering his 7th house planets. And if he develops into a leader, it would be religious with Jupiter in the 12th square elevated Neptune.
So I don't see how this political foray can work too well. If it doesn't, that is actually his success, since it will lead him back to his solitude and inner 12th world. If he finds that treasure he can lead in a big way, but not until after Pluto crosses.
I would love for him to get there. The repeat of obligation to the commoners is hard for him and filled with problems. He'll be glad to be rid of it in a few years.
So the Leo love thing that's going on now is natural, but at some point it should lessen as we go on to our destiny and the Pluto return and he goes on to his and his Pluto conjunct Saturn.
The recognition of our long failure of leadership is far more important than one person now. Only after that can we get a good one. No one can prevent the steps we have to take as Pluto returns to our point of independence. In one way or another he will facilitate it. Any leader now would. The ones after him could be more significant. It's we the people who are in charge. That includes the establishment.
And joe also said it all.
Maybe, despite that first revolution 233 years ago, we still haven't cut the apron strings.
Btw...
I'm in an altered state of joy over the comments today. I am learning and I am happy. Thank you so much, my brilliant curious well-spoken friends, both old and new.
They always said a Moon-Joop in Sag was born lucky.
I find I'm quite in agreement with PSW. But I'm pretty disengaged and unidentified and getting more so.
A miracle has happened for me, or maybe the miraculous is becoming the norm in my life. My earth shattering problem of yesterday is banished, or almost so. I have extremely powerful, compassionate, and wise allies. I'm deeply grateful, humbled, and thirsty more than ever for my real assignment. I need to take on responsibility equal to this if I can find it. This time I think I will find it. The window was last open about 15 years ago but I wasn't ready yet. I'm preparing myself.
Whew!
I think the thing for me, at least where I'm at is that it doesn't matter what Obama does or any of them. I'm wondering if I can have the courage to do what I need to do. I can't think about them much. If I can find the insight and the clarity to find this in myself. This outer thing has almost no pull on me at all. Yet I'm watching it and constantly delighted at how you can describe it with so much insight and passion because you are also describing the inner layer. I can read it both ways. Your readings are flawless, even if sometimes I'm reading between the lines.
I think the thing for me, at least where I'm at is that it doesn't matter what Obama does or any of them.
That's actually the truth.
Yes. The inner and outer are the same cloth. Fulfillment is anywhere.
I'm wondering if I can have the courage to do what I need to do.
Seriously, mpk. How can one draw out the courage do you think?
It's almost like I'm somewhat blind, you are describing a picture and what you think it is and means, but sometimes I see something else entirely, and other times we agree completely. Yet the thing you see is undeniably there.
I would first like to say that I have never studied Astrology and am learning as I go. Thank you JM for the explanation.
You wrote:
"I would love for him to get there. The repeat of obligation to the commoners is hard for him and filled with problems. He'll be glad to be rid of it in a few years."
What about the North Node, how is he going to manifest this if he is to go in search of his spiritual 12th house? Isn't the NN a priority for evolution?
I view everything as multi-faceted and each one of us receives what is needed for the moment. My receptor theory. So the thing really goes on automatic pilot.
How can one draw out the courage do you think?
I don't know, but I know it exists. The ally who just helped is so incredible that I'm completely blown out right now. This level of assistance didn't just fix this one problem, but also cleared out tons of other detritus... It is beyond my understanding. I'm now faced with the calling I have put off for so long.
I think the NN is the ultimate in fulfillment. Saturn is part of the process to get there. You have to go through Saturn. It's what we work consciously on almost all our lives.
The NN in his 7th means that partnership is his best destiny. Most NN7s get into not-good marriages until later in their lives if they get lucky. NN Leo 7 speaks of the warmest, closest, most ego gratifying experience imaginable, but it's one-on-one. I don't think he has that now and perhaps when Pluto comes, he'll lose the marriage. It could transform with Pluto, however, and continue.
So to get to that one-on-one 12th house you and me against the world place, he'll have to withdraw at some point and have a long conversation with his inner self. I think he did that before, but he'll do it again.
Go get it mpk!!!!!
m.p.k.
It's almost like I'm somewhat blind, you are describing a picture and what you think it is and means, but sometimes I see something else entirely, and other times we agree completely. Yet the thing you see is undeniably there.
o just wow...we must be seeing a similar thing.
It's like synchronicity with duCan yesterday. There is some fascinating energy here. For the record m.p.k. take the first step and you will find the courage you are seeking...it is within
The SN1 in Aquarius is a lonely soul. He is desperately seeking acceptance and the warmth of human companionship. Unfortunately, raising himself above the crowd prematurely is preventing him from the intimacy he craves. It's separating him from his children the closest he's gotten so far. Pluto in his 11th is opposite his 5th of children now, so he suffers in coldness and alienation cut off from his greatest source of warmth. His daughters. The The crowd won't do it for him. The dog won't either for the children.
He wants to shine within close relationships not as a leader of the masses. There is a collective obligation, but as I said, Saturn in the 12th makes it difficult to unearth.
take the first step and you will find the courage you are seeking.
Absolutely great advice. So right. Omg.
The Aries Moon is in and on the way to Venus. What a wonderful energetic day.
Chiron, thanks for the link you provided, i've been browsing. The 29th degree associated with clairvoyance is very interesting. That degree turns up with great frequency in my family.
Tseka, I see that with my SO as well, being Leo asc with Pluto at 29 Leo in the 1st house.
PSW I'm sure you are right. I've been in the same place for 9 years. So the first step is huge. Thanks...
P.S.W you are so right. The energy created here is quite some thing. I would wake up with a thought in my head and when I come to RU Tseka or you or Chiron would be writing about it.
I was discussing this with a friend of mine this morning and now you are writing about it.
What is generating this energy? I feel like a number of us are on the same wave length. Are we picking up each other's thoughts telepathically?
I was in the process of asking JM to elaborate on the SN/NN when I came to RU to do so I saw she had already done so. While I was thinking about my question JM wrote me the answer.
That is some kind of energy.
WOW!
This is JM's beautiful creation, in the beginning her rapturous energy, her vortex we all are drawn into and she deserves all thanks, all praise.
Thank you JM
"This is JM's beautiful creation, in the beginning her rapturous energy, her vortex we all are drawn into and she deserves all thanks, all praise.
Thank you JM"
I agree PSW. All this and more. The timing of all of us being drawn here is also crucial.
What is generating this energy? I feel like a number of us are on the same wave length. Are we picking up each other's thoughts telepathically?
I find this with Aquarius, and now Mercury, Mars, and Aquarius are there so it's at a height.
I naturally communicate this way with my Venus-Uranus conjunction in Gemini in the third. My double Aquarian and I for 20 years never needed a telephone. Whenever I needed him he was there, any time, any place.
I think we have to communicate this way to survive and some just pick up on it more consciously.
I love it.
Another thing is the approaching Uranus times. Things speed up with Uranus so we could be getting ready and it certainly saves time to communicate telepathically!
PSW!! I'm forgiven! What a relief. With Pluto on my Mars trouble is a constant visitor.
Thank you too. Praise is the thing I missed for well over half a century so it's especially sweet when it comes.
The timing of all of us being drawn here is also crucial.
I'm wondering about this. Something really could be happening. I almost gave up!
That was such a good article, duCan.
But first, and underlying all these scraps, Mr Obama will have to find a way of being honest with Americans about their country's fall from predominance.
That was one thing that bothered me immensely in the speech. The continuing talk of American exceptionalism and domination. "We're ready to lead again" and all that garbage. I don't expect him to be honest, but he also doesn't have to spread that propaganda.
Such a good point from the Isles.
I think circumstance will solve that problem though rather than a politician.
The swing between fantasy and reality could be intense for the next couple of weeks with the NM in Pisces and the coming FM conjunct Saturn - but here's the thing...
Pluto is at 2 Capricorn and there's long way to go with this governmental fix as well as our own problems with achievement. Once you acknowledge the slowness of the process it starts to feel better. You can relax and breathe comfortably, taking some pressure off Obama, and ideally starting to think about taking things into our own hands. Let it all breathe.
Like you, mpk. Pluto isn't quite out of your 12th yet and Uranus is coming to your Mars in about a year. Mars is courage and so is Pluto on the asc, so you'll have it then. You waited this long, you can hold off for a second longer and prepare. Make good plans.
Look what happened to me. As soon as Pluto hit my Mars my strength and energy zoomed. Things work out in rhythm.
Same with Uranus in Aries. The strength and determination to do something about all of this will be there.
Things really do work out somewhat. You have evidence.
Tseka. You are welcome. It is an interesting site, and he is interesting in his beliefs. But he is a little too embittered, too much baggage still lingering though from the Serbian intervention, and he racially engenders that blind link to Russia. At some points his astrology seems simplistic, but then he surprises with a gem of an insight. The site also provides a forum for other slavic astrologers.
Another interesting site for exploration is Robert Hand's site.
http://www.robhand.com/
Rob is a master astrologer and founder of Astrolabe who is devoted to ancient and medieval technique, study, and traditional interpretative methods. He advocates whole sign houses, which is very intriguing, but also incorporates Uranian and heliocentric techniques into his practice. The site is a resource for some great books. Enjoy.
Pelosi. Phone Home!
Pelosi, go home. And stay there.
JM
I awake this morning. Gemini ascendant breathes in the entire media frenzy. From my perspective Prometheus just lit the entire universe on fire. There is no turning back now.
To suffer woes which Hope thinks infinite;
To forgive wrongs darker than death or night;
To defy Power, which seems omnipotent;
To love, and bear; to hope till Hope creates
From its own wreck the thing it contemplates;
Neither to change, nor falter, nor repent;
This, like thy glory, Titan, is to be
Good, great and joyous, beautiful and free;
This is alone Life, Joy, Empire, and Victory.
P.B. Shelley
Prometheus Unbound
Chiron, thanks, I know about Rob Hand's site.
My former neighbor was Serbian. Over the years i came to realize that the "embittered" is deep in the culture and goes back thousands of years. Some of the most interesting conversations we had were about America being so child-like. I could not understand the centuries long (make that millenias) grudges and he thought we were completely silly in our "idealism" and laughed at our "melting pot" a weakness according to him.
Finding a balance of cultures seems to be part of our American experiment. I hope we don't get too sidetracked.
It seems I'm being drawn back to Tucson for some reason. My wife and I were discussing Tucson (not something we ever really do) and then a couple hours later a brother that never calls me called me in the middle of the day from Tucson. He had never been there before and was there on business and was absolutely thrilled. He was talking about all my favorite places there.
Maybe I do have to wait, but at least the Universe has given me an initial starting point. I was feeling completely rudderless.
Prometheus Unbound. That is beautiful.
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Prometheus Unbound. That is beautiful.
It certainly is.
http://accountabilitynowpac.com/
This is a new organization, whether it will creditable, or not remains to be seen. This might be a new opening, tho?
JM, your articles continue to be inspiring. Breaking out of the illusions of rhetoric, and facing realism, is the shining light we all need. I loved your analysis of the chart.
chiron, Thank you, your post on astrologyinserbia was fascinating and I really enjoyed it.
We can all keep working, with patience, to insure we get accountability.
An interesting article just appeared at Salon. Its Worth the read. I can't help considering the historical implications of the Saturn/Uranus opposition. If I can find an old analysis I wrote last year on the implications of this transit on US politics I will repost it here. However, I am more concerned now with its implications globally. Awhile ago I predicted that the seeds germinated by this series of transits would inflame 'revolutionary waves' in many countries. Revolutionary waves are a historically interesting phenomena, in that the inherent energy acts like dominoes. Pockets of forced change erupt. This was the case in 1830 and also after the conclusion of WW1. This article is interesting in that it really does illustrate the potential for political brushfires across the globe. A lot depends on the astrology for individual nations. But I particularly focused on the writers estimate of trouble ahead within China. The astrology for China is just beginning to become turbulent, and I fully expect a series of crisis, large & small, to exacerbate the political drama in that country.
Merits further analysis.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/02/26/klare/
PS. JM it looks like you get mentioned over at SN. I have to laugh a bit though at the description of 'over the top'. Its A bit like the pot calling the kettle black. :)
Sorry PSW I forgot to sign in!
Good, great and joyous, beautiful and free;
This is alone Life, Joy, Empire, and Victory.
Prometheus Unbound!
Thank you PSW.
Great words to start the day with.
P.S. I am dashing off to my best friend's mother's 88 birthday luncheon celebration.
Wishing you all a wonderful day!
LOL joe!
Omg. Prometheus Unbound
And Gem ascendant. How did I get so lucky?
PSW. You are a joy.
Well, mpk. You are so free and open to experience that I can't imagine things not working out well. They are. I happen to love the West and Southwest. I've lived here for 40 years.
I like Rob Hand.
Breaking out of the illusions of rhetoric, and facing realism, is the shining light we all need.
Tain't easy. But it will come. You're right about patience.
This article is interesting in that it really does illustrate the potential for political brushfires across the globe.
They are coming. They have to. I think it relates to what chris said about fires and backburning. Uranus in Aries tells a lot of the tale with the revolutionary conjunction. I'd love to explore this with you chiron. The ever-rising illusion here seems weird within the pressure cooker. I wonder if it's a cosmic set-up for a huge reality hit when Uranus leaves Pisces on account of our Neptune. It's interesting for me being such a sponge. I'm not getting as carried away as usual with the craziness here. Still work to do, though, on that account.
Asia is thought to be the biggest problem spot according to what I've been reading. I think the real nature of leadership might be exposed later. Something strange is going on and I can't quite put my finger on it. Any ideas? Any stuff on Saturn-Uranus is most welcomed.
A bit like the pot calling the kettle black. :)
No kidding.:-) we're all funny, crazy, and in it together.
I am dashing off to my best friend's mother's 88 birthday luncheon celebration.
That makes my heart leap. 88 years old often comes up in my songs. I'm looking forward to that age. I'd love a report.
Chiron
Here's an interview that concurs with the upheaval. I don't pretend to know how it will unfold, but fires are raging all the time anyway. I think the diffrence might be that the coming disturbance is more focused, perhaps increased markedly. There might be more sense in it all, more understnding of geo-political arrangements, and even a redrawing of boundaries and some future stability down the line. In other words, I think there will be more reason to the seeming chaos. It has to come for any real "progress", and I can't imagine that Pluto toppling structures and Uranus in Aries would do it gently. Where the hot spots are going to be is food for thought.
We seem to be in a calm before a storm, but we're always in and out of storms. One difference now is the veil that's being woven to a greater extent than I thought imaginable. It's part of the sequence. Uranus in Pisces and the mutual reception.
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JM
Those who do not believe that there is a real idealogical division in this country without meaning are sadly mistaken. Senators Whitehouse and Leahy are laying the groundwork for prosecutions on war crimes and what they will expose will sicken this country to the core if brought to light...
Mr. Whitehouse
"But there is also damage that we cannot see so well, the damage below the waterline of our democracy - damage caused, I believe, by a systematic effort to twist policy to suit political ends; to substitute ideology for science, fact, and law; and to misuse instruments of power.
If an administration rigged the intelligence process and on faulty intelligence sent our country to war;
If an administration descended to interrogation techniques of the Inquisition, of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge - descended to techniques that we have prosecuted as crimes in military tribunals and in federal courts;
If institutions as noble as the Department of Justice and as vital as the Environmental Protection Agency were subverted by their own leaders;
If the integrity of our markets and the fiscal security of our budget were opened wide to the frenzied greed of corporations, and speculators and contractors;
If taxpayers were cheated, and the forces of government rode to the rescue of the cheaters and punished the whistleblowers;
If our government turned the guns of official secrecy against our own people to mislead, confuse and propagandize them;
If the integrity of public officials; the warnings of science; the honesty of government procedures; and the careful historic balance of our separated powers, all were seen as obstacles to be overcome and not attributes to be celebrated;
If the purpose of government became no longer to solve problems, but simply to work them for political advantage, and a bodyguard of lies, jargon, and propaganda were emitted to fool and beguile the American people...
Well, something very serious would have gone wrong in our country - and such damage must be repaired. I submit that as we begin the task of rebuilding this nation, we have a duty to our country to determine how great that damage is.
We also have to brace ourselves for the realistic possibility that as some of this conduct is exposed, we and the world will find it shameful, revolting. We may have to face the prospect of looking with horror at our own country's deeds. We are optimists, we Americans; we are proud of our country. Contrition comes hard to us.
But the path back from the dark side may lead us down some unfamiliar valleys of remorse and repugnance before we can return to the light. We may have to face our fellow Americans saying to us, "No, please, tell us that we did not do that, tell us that Americans did not do that" - and we will have to explain, somehow. This is no small thing, and not easy; this will not be comfortable or proud; but somehow it must be done."
War of Ideas
We may all see the fundamental flaws in government and we may all not believe that government will help us to find a better path, but I do know we will be governed and I for one choose to pay taxes to one that does not obliterate its conscience. The real, literal damage to this country came to us in the past eight years and the exposure of this bile will leave a stain for centuries.
PSW, I'm not in the mood for this language so I'm going to delete your last post. Please forgive me.
Things are going to be all right.
Here is my small request. Let's both calm down and enjoy the delicious Taurus moon coming across our North Nodes. There is much to savor and enjoy.
I for one choose to pay taxes to one that does not obliterate its conscience.
And that is a good idea.
JM
Fair enough. That article must have struck a chord to be deleted from the London Times also.
I'll enjoy the moon now
I love ya, kid.
That's pretty funny about the Times. We're still in synch.:o)
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