Saturday, September 09, 2006

Aries In Our Charts

In conjunction with the Aries thread I'm listing the houses ruled by Aries in our charts to get started. Shortly I'll describe the houses, but this previous post will give you the idea.

raging universe: A Dwarf in the House

Joe....12th house
Kadimiros....1st house
Neith....5th house
Casey....12th house
Tseka....2nd house
Jm...1st house
Juno.... 1oth house

71 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neith is offering birthdata

9/9/06 6:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neithnet

9/9/06 7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry about the birthdata link i should have tested it before posting...and to think i built my own website...hated every minute of it toooooo!!!!!Thank god for the PHP community is all i can say.

9/9/06 7:06 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Well it seems like everyone wants to jump right into the charts.

Shall we?

9/9/06 7:09 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Today Mars left Virgo for a six week trip through Libra. This will be affecting our relationships and it's a good time to go through all the charts and see where it affects us individually.

Tseka and I both have a natal Mars in Libra so we are beginning a new relationship cycle.

Mars in Libra is kind of impossible. The planet of self is right smack in the middle of the other. So I know in my case I am always pushing people away to establish my independence but at the same time longing to have them there.

But I can swing both ways. I can do things alone or with others.

We can go through each chart when you are here.

9/9/06 7:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I do think it's a good idea to try and go slowly so as to absorb. And I'm hoping to get those not versed in the language a chance to get caught up.

Mars is a good place to start. It's the place we start things in general in our charts.

This last Pisces Moon was a big ending and now comes an exciting new time.

Often when the whole chart is read people don't remember what was said. But if the basics are looked at, it makes a lot of sense. And then the nodes will make total sense when we get there.

9/9/06 7:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's also interesting to note that this Pisces ending we just experienced, the Aries Moon, and the Mars traveling into Libra indicate all together that the new cycle will be a lot about the relationships we find ourselves in now. We might notice a difference and the people are motivating us in new directions. If they're not, they might not stay. And the problematic ones holding us up might drop to the wayside.

9/9/06 7:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well JM i'm willing to follow along with whatever you choose but i'd like to get a notebook with everyone's charts printed out and into it so i can refer to it as i go along. i have pieced together some of the charts but i have only two charts other than my own -Kad's and Neith's.

9/9/06 7:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK so here's a question about my mars that my draw attention to the concept of mutual reception. My Mars is 14libra48 and my Venus is 14Sco 41
I'm not sure how you want us to jump but this would be a Mars question for me

9/9/06 7:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG! I didn't realize you didn't have the charts! The contentious Mars is already going into effect! Just wait!

BTW, Joe has Mars in Libra too.

Tseka, I love mutual receptions. Here's a start for you from Anne Ryan's book.

Tests deal with aggressiveness and cooperation. There might be problems with self assertion. Indecisiveness or failure to maintain identity can make it difficult to know when to say yes and when to say no.
Lessons dealing with others crudeness vs refinement and aesthetic appreciation, plus jealousy, shared money, and sexual issues could be involved.


The basic self vs others is it which is repeated all over your chart. In your case, the self should dominate.

9/9/06 7:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It is so funny. Mars goes into Libra today and the fussing starts right on schedule. This is going to be so much fun. Following it with awareness.

I don't predict often, but I will predict a few quarrels ahead for me, you, and Joe. They can be small though.

9/9/06 7:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And here is a list of where this pattern is repeated...self vs others.

NN in the 1st
Mars in Libra
Saturn in Libra
Venus in Scorpio
Juiter in Aries opposite saturn in Libra
Saturn conjunct Mars in Libra
Mars in the 7th
Neptune in the 7th
Saturn in the 7th
Moon in the 7th
Uranus square mars and saturn in the 7th

And that's not all of them!

9/9/06 8:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"OMG! I didn't realize you didn't have the charts!"
Nope i've been piecing together info from comments but i sensed that maybe while i was off delivering paintings to SF you all traded info i searched around but didn't find it. Casey and Joe have already posted at Neith's she has an Exel doc to send out to interested i figure if Kadimiros is interested he'll have to collect some too.

9/9/06 8:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

We're just getting coordinated here but this preliminary will soon be done. Then we can do the interpretations everywhere according to spontaneous whim.

9/9/06 8:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well guess that's what i get for having such a whopping big 7th.

I'll have to congitate on the Anne Ryan info. I've always been so darned independent, most folk thik my relationships are odd. Very, well now that i think about it a lot like you described yours.

One thing, both men of significance in my life have had moon at 11-13 aries right opp that stellium in Libra.

9/9/06 8:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

congitate? I think Mars and contention already visited me via my own self, (the shadow dark one who cracks the whip every so often and has all those timetables, still she manages to get the bills paid and the million and one things that need doing)...another fire today this time right behind my house just meters away. Then the electricity went out over and over all day long, mennwhile i'm fuming about my deadline to get my photos complete. My foot is still tapping the floor and i'm hacking and coughing.

9/9/06 8:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Interesting about the fire and electricity with the Mars change today. Mars in Libra is fiestier than Virgo, being fanned by the air element.

Very very interesting about the men with the Aries Moons. Good choice for you, since they like independent women. Mine had the ruler of his 7th house in Aries and he too liked an Aries type partner. It did work well. The problems were of my own making.

But the upcoming 7th house transit effect all relationships, business too.

Hey! Maybe I should take that job offer I got last week!

9/9/06 8:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Hey! Maybe I should take that job offer I got last week!"

Is it a good one?

9/9/06 9:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

No was my first thought. Thank you, tseka.

9/9/06 9:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In general JM my relationships with business partners has completely changed in past few years. Maybe the pluto/mc and in the 10? I am more direct and don't take too much personally any more (as in allow others to manipulate me). For example i pulled all my work out of the top grossing gallery on west coast this summer. This shocked everyone. I didn't like how i was being represented and asked for changes, gave ample time then withdrew all my work. I simply will not participate or lend myself to what does not reflect me. The result of this is that the other galleries are working a lot more for me now. It's interesting. One gallery has my work featured this month in a National Art magazine. I really did nothing but be very clear in my own integrity. Pluto? I've been focused on 10th but maybe i should be looking more at that whopper of a 7th?

9/9/06 9:31 PM  
Blogger Diane L said...

Hi! Just got back from a wedding & sent the birthdata list over to you & Casey, Tseka. I suppose i could just post it too . . . What do you think?!

Great discussion . . . Pat P left a most amazing comment over on my last post. She's are great astrologer, we are so fortunate to have her feedback!! I JUST love learning new things!!! :-)

9/9/06 9:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

THIS is absolutely the most wonderful story of all, tseka. I am so deeply impressed with your decision. The act of actually withdrawing your work is it...the courage. This is what I am going to absorb as Pluto comes for me.

My work is so ME, so unique, so odd for the others at times to digest, and I have often thought that success wasn't worth it if I couldn't be myself completely.

Your experience proves otherwise.
It's all connected. The Pluto brings you up against the inner boss who knows the truth. Some people can follow that and some give in to public pressure and lose the integrity.
The 7th is the bartering, compromise, and details of all the deals. It's amazing that with the Libra desire to please, you were able to make such a decisive move.
It all comes back to the NN/Uranus transit in the 1st, where your survival and identity depend on this selfhood and integrity. Uranus especially gives the nerve to do it. Uranus also rules the ASC so your way is the only way.

This is very encouraging. When Pluto gets to my MC I also will be having Uranus over the ASC. This is fantastic. Thank you so much for the tale.

9/9/06 9:48 PM  
Blogger jm said...

neith, this is what I expect with Jup in Sag. Tons of new things to learn. Big year ahead.

9/9/06 9:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

woohoo i got it neith, thanks!

9/9/06 9:54 PM  
Blogger Diane L said...

I just have to add this to this discussion involving Aries moons. I believe I have told you all my S/O is Aries ASC, Sun, Moon, Mercury/Jupiter . . And he's the first man who truly seems to appreciate my strength & quietly independent nature. Previously the guys were either seeking someone to take care of them . . or starting playing head games to pull me down, not good either way. Equitable relationships are the only way to go for me.

9/9/06 9:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"She's are great astrologer, we are so fortunate to have her feedback!! I JUST love learning new things!!! :-)"
Ja the talent here is blinding sometimes. You are all such bright lights.

9/9/06 9:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I wonder if it's the small size of the group that allows the light to shine so bright. If it would be lost in a bigger crowd.

9/9/06 10:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pluto over MC seems to be a lot about what is your soul's purpose, but it is flavored by the GC/sun in Sag, which is of course the point of Hel (wholeness and completion. What i realized a while back with my work is it is me even thought it seems to come from some otherworldly place i responsible for it's stewardship. It is a bridge between me and others

i own only a few things; honesty, trust, my own heart, the other stuff comes and goes.

Actually i'm pretty laid back in my personal relationships i keep the virgo taskmistress pretty busy on projects...she can be a real pain to others...Saturn /mars in Libra feels more like one foot on the gas and one on the brake to me.

9/9/06 10:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That's how I describe saturn/Mars. It can swing both ways. Saturn controls the tremendous force of Mars and gives it a structured path when working well. Or it can block it entirely. I think they work well together. It's like the body builder consciously sculpting strength.
I have Mars/Neptune/Uranus and I'm all over the place. Incredibly creative but can't finish a thing. Sometimes I do after I've run off chasing any wild idea that comes through. I can dance though.

The only thing I stayed riveted to was the 10 years I spent programming my drum machines. I guess that tells you how I feel about rhythm. Focused like mad. Maybe Pluto will do that on my MC.

9/9/06 10:34 PM  
Blogger Diane L said...

Actually i'm pretty laid back in my personal relationships i keep the virgo taskmistress pretty busy on projects...she can be a real pain to others...

'chuckle' That's what I do with my Virgo MC! Great place for dealing with all the details of running an office. I am very, very good at finding things in the midst of chaos. . . A lifetime of biting that Mercury in Scorpio tongue of mine helps smooth the way too.

9/9/06 10:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You are so good, neith. My crazy man had a Mercury/Pluto square and did NOT bite his tongue. The lashes were something, but I have to admit, were true.

The obsessive thinking patterns were interesting to witness. He spent five years on the flaws of my brother. I was glad when that finally ended.

9/9/06 10:41 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

What house system are we using? Placidus gives me Aries intercepted in the 1st house. I tend to use Porphyry, because it is older, and because I like the simplicity of trisecting the angles. That would give me Aries on the 2nd house cusp. Just curious.

10/9/06 4:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting question, porphyry puts your sun in the tenth.

I've read Koch is prefered for those of us winter nothern born.

10/9/06 7:27 AM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

And Koch would put Jupiter and the Moon in the 11th and 12th, respectively. It's tough for me to distinguish, because there are so many planets clustered in that area of my natal chart. They sort of blur together for me. Since several points could be regarded as at least in wide conjunction, suggesting a blending of energies, maybe it would be consistent to read the house placement loosely. Sort of like deciding whether something is closer to green or yellow-green in a spectrum.

10/9/06 11:56 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I use Koch, but sometimes other systems work better in some locations.
Yes, they should be read loosely, and the spectrum analogy is perfect.

10/9/06 2:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

For example. If Aries were on the 2nd house cusp instead of intercepted in the 1st, it would make some difference in interpretation, but it would still leave Taurus as the main factor in the 2nd house.

Aries on the cusp would assign a more ego driven factor to the money and possibly more forceful spending. Taurus would be more cautious, would budget well, and would enjoy the things that money buys. Aries has something to prove with his pocketful of cash, Taurus wouldn't be so brazen, but would have it stockpiled. Either way, money is very important.


The same thing with the 1st house. Intercepted makes a difference but it still has major influence on the persona either way. Pisces rising is dreamy not too pushy, but Aries in the 1st is thrusting and dynamic. I see both in you Kad, but the Mars factor is very very strong. You are more firm and vital, putting yourself forcefully into the environment, than a Pisces would normally be. The Sun/Venus/Mars conjunction adds to this. But the whole sign of Aries in the first is potent. It gives the dreams of Pisces more chance for actualization.

10/9/06 2:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was from the Aunt Jenny Arising posting, where I was speaking of those Native American signs and hints. I wanted to be sure it didn't get left behind.

There, Kadimiros wrote:
There is some dilution and mutation, especially among New Agers, but that is life. Most people who practice tai chi do so for health and meditation, and do not study martial applications. It's all good.

I had one of my famous flashes of insight about this today as I was leaving an Eastern European bakery/butcher shop that we often visit. There are several framed photographic collections of pysanky
which are a hobby of mine. (The link is to the homepage of my friend Luba who is vastly better at it than I am.) Whenever I shop there, I take time to gaze at these pictures and gather ideas and simply appreciate.

Then it hit me. There I was, earlier, getting all uneasy and antsy about misappropriating Native/indigenous culture, when I have been borrowing from Ukrainian tradition for years without a qualm-- and I'm not even of Eastern European descent this lifetime!

So I've decided I'm going to be as respectful as I can with this stuff, but still accept whatever signs and gifts come my way.

Thanks for the nudge!

10/9/06 3:48 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"You are more firm and vital, putting yourself forcefully into the environment, than a Pisces would normally be. The Sun/Venus/Mars conjunction adds to this."

Hmm, apart from not having much savings to speak of, that's a fair assessment. (I've always believed my mother gave us kids a money allergy; she lectured us on the importance of saving money without ever actually teaching us a single financial skill.) I can be intense when I focus on something of interest or importance. Maybe I'm bipolar!

You know, not to get ahead too much, but this just made me notice that the signs Aries and Libra are said to be ruled by planets Mars and Venus, and these planets are conjunct in the same sign in my natal chart. And the rulers of the MC/IC and Ascendant/Descendant axes look suspect, too. I could almost swear they are in cahoots on something or other.

But let's get back to this later, I don't want to sidetrack your program too much.

10/9/06 3:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!

Rofl!!!!

But let's get back to this later, I don't want to sidetrack your program too much.

My program!!!!LOL!!!!!!!

My mind is a study in chaos and tangents. Everybody please feel free to go anywhere and everywhere at whim.

Yes, the conj. of Mars and Venus is a total mixed message. Mars pursues, venus attracts. Push comes to shove here and it involves authority figures, achievement, or your own inner boss and many other things. Whether to forge ahead or wait a moment. Male sexuality is pushy Mars, Venus is beauty and attractiveness. I'll post a bit later some more.

There's no real program and maybe the best way is questions and what comes up daily. We probably should look at all the charts repeatedly. There are so many factors and we focus on different parts of ourselves even in one hour. So I go along with spontaneous eruption. Questions are wonderful. After a while the synthesis and understanding come automatically.

10/9/06 4:07 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"There are several framed photographic collections of pysanky
which are a hobby of mine."


Ooh, lovely! I would have been fascinated as a kid. All I had were felt-tip markers, and of course, it got smeary. :-)

"So I've decided I'm going to be as respectful as I can with this stuff, but still accept whatever signs and gifts come my way. Thanks for the nudge!"

Good luck with that. :-) Keep your spirit light, so to speak. Not everything should be shared too easily, but in general I think eventually most enduring groups, of any kind, become mostly proud of the contributions they bring to the world.

10/9/06 4:09 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"My mind is a study in chaos and tangents. Everybody please feel free to go anywhere and everywhere at whim."

Yes, there is madness to your method. :-)

10/9/06 4:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This is actually a good subject. Aries/Mars is the start and then comes Taurus/Venus. Very basic impulses in all of us and they combine differently. You can see the vast difference betwen a Taurus and an Aries, which already tells you something about Venus and Mars. I'll post some ideas a little later.

I started with Aries just because of that. The Moon was in Aries and it was a good kick off. Now we can pass the ball around any way we want. I'll still go through the signs sequentially, though, because that makes a lot of sense.

The chart is like a mandala so any kind of meditation works.

I would like to go through the wheel of houses in all our charts at some point.

10/9/06 4:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes, there is madness to your method. :-)

LOL.

10/9/06 4:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very cool site Joe and thanks for boosting the post i enjoyed looking at the pysanky look forward to going back. Your flash of insight is a great share.
Also good questions Kad. so much comes up in these to ponder, wish i could stay an really look at the charts but a quick swig of ice water is all i'm allowed. I got a hot date with a Holtzer Panel saw, oooh the acrylite dust makes me prickle just thinking about it. later

10/9/06 4:24 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"Yes, the conj. of Mars and Venus is a total mixed message. Mars pursues, venus attracts. Push comes to shove here and it involves authority figures, achievement, or your own inner boss and many other things. Whether to forge ahead or wait a moment. Male sexuality is pushy Mars, Venus is beauty and attractiveness. I'll post a bit later some more."

That should make me either ambivalent or versatile. Or maybe ambivalent about versatility. Or--Um, let me think about this some more....

10/9/06 4:40 PM  
Blogger Diane L said...

An observation about Mars/Venus conjunctions in charts . . . the individuals tend to very attractive to both sexes... an amplification of the sign energy as it were.

10/9/06 5:54 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

Hmm, interesting....The left side of my brain wonders about the frequency in the general population. It would be neat to know how aspects are distributed, but astrological texts don't provide this data. Like, if we knew that 17% of the population shared a particular aspect, then it would lend more proportion to what the delineation means compared to the norm.

10/9/06 6:50 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It would be neat to know how aspects are distributed, but astrological texts don't provide this data. Like, if we knew that 17% of the population shared a particular aspect, then it would lend more proportion to what the delineation means compared to the norm.

Good thought. I wonder if it's been done. There are more Leos than any other sign. I believe this is fact.

10/9/06 7:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Venus/Mars is associated with heat and sexuality but I think it creates a highly aroused social urge most of all. Still, the selfness of Mars is in conflict with the harmony of Venus, but this creates social excitement as the exact polarities rub against one another. It's a very direct social urge.

10/9/06 7:36 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That should make me either ambivalent or versatile. Or maybe ambivalent about versatility. Or--Um, let me think about this some more....

That pretty much descibes a meeting of opposites.

10/9/06 7:38 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"Venus/Mars is associated with heat and sexuality but I think it creates a highly aroused social urge most of all. Still, the selfness of Mars is in conflict with the harmony of Venus, but this creates social excitement as the exact polarities rub against one another."

Yikes, that's a pretty physical image....Is it getting warm in here?

10/9/06 8:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I always keep a bucket of ice to throw on you Mars/Venuses. Let me know when you need it.

10/9/06 8:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

A conjunction, now that you bring it up, is exactly that. The planets work together.

Even if they are totally different.
Mars is male, Venus female, but in a conjunction they will find a way to cooperate.
Good thought.

I have Venus conjunct Uranus and couldn't be more different from Venus/Mars.

Venus is intimacy, nice close personal touch, and Uranus is in outer space in his own ship circling on his side and acting crazy. Hard for a nice relaxed wine and dine evening and then who knows?

Is my way of relating way out of the norm?
Naaaaawwwww.

See, Kad, you're just a regular guy. If only it weren't for that 4 planet conjunction in Aquarius.

But Venus/Uranus is instant intimacy or instant separation. You Never know.
The conjunction works it out, though. I keep company with interesting people.

11/9/06 3:34 AM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

Hmm, I guess this didn't successfully post before. I wanted to say that I could read the Mars/Venus thing in Capricorn 10th house as creativity informed by a sense of beauty, excellence, skill and craftmanship...possible involvement with arts, fine and commercialized.

11/9/06 12:08 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes. Good analysis of the conjunction. It also describes relationships on the job, and your Sun is there too. The 10th house is vocation, public standing and also what we aspire towards. Our goals in many ways. What we admire and want to be like.
There's a combo of Sagittarius and Cap in your 10th, so there's something of the pundit either in your role or others around you. I think I can guess. In any case, you like wisemen.

I have a Capricorn 10th and as I get closer to achievement my feelings towards Capricorns are changing. I used to resent their judgement and in my case, correction, but now I want it. The elegance, perfection, and reserve have really always been a part of my artistic expression musically. It's interesting to follow the evolution personally.

11/9/06 2:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

When you look at the Aries part of your 1st, and my Aries rising, you get the real picture by taking the ruling planet, Mars, and seeing what it's doing.

In your case the Mars is in the 10th so your persona, identity is dependent on what goes on in the public arena. It's tempered by Venus so you would appear probably like a gentlemen with good manners. The expression is further controlled by the desire to get ahead and behave accordingly. Venus again is an asset.

In my case my Mars is in the 6th and also is influenced by the work environment. It is in Venus ruled Libra so I know how to act too.
However, there are some wild "hairs" in my case and as good as I can be, I can be equally unrestrained and bad, and I've been 86'd and invited not to return at times.
Your Aries is also covered by Pisces and you can probably get away with things I can't.

11/9/06 2:36 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"In your case the Mars is in the 10th so your persona, identity is dependent on what goes on in the public arena. It's tempered by Venus so you would appear probably like a gentlemen with good manners. The expression is further controlled by the desire to get ahead and behave accordingly. Venus again is an asset."

That's a good interpretation. I might emphasize the masculine side of "persona/identity" in it. If my Mars is happy with achievement, then he'll engage well with Venus. It might be a masculinity thing. It could also mean that I tend to meet people through work who become very important emotionally to me. I met my best friend through a job; his kids are my godchildren.

11/9/06 3:38 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

Curiously, I do well at my work, but I don't feel a sense of completeness from it per se. It still feels more like a means to an end. I do feel I bring the energy of integrity into the companies of my clients. I raise the bar for their behavior and performance.

11/9/06 3:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It could also mean that I tend to meet people through work who become very important emotionally to me. I met my best friend through a job; his kids are my godchildren

Great manifestation. Each placement is like this. Muli multi facted.
This combines with your Moon/Jupiter conjunction which is highly generous emotionally. I have one too. There is a nurturing without trying that others are drawn to. This explains the godparent aspect.

You're right. The Mars has to feel like he is in forward motion.

do feel I bring the energy of integrity into the companies of my clients. I raise the bar for their behavior and performance.

This is perfect. It fits the whole combo in the 10th. As Pluto gets to my MC, I think this will apply in my case. I'm practicing now!

11/9/06 3:56 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"Your Aries is also covered by Pisces and you can probably get away with things I can't."

I look more innocent? I dissemble or cover my tracks better? Okay, I'll reveal a tidbit you can't get from the chart alone. I pay little attention to modern theater, but a small part of me comes from an actor in a past life, back when it was not respectable for women to be actors. He was straight, heterosexual, male, but whenever he had to play a female character, he could not help but wonder what it was really like. I felt him perk up when I was exposed to Shakespeare in high school. He didn't care about the content so much as he enjoyed the flow of language. That's about all I know or remember of him....I've never thought to pursue it further.

11/9/06 4:14 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, Kad.

This is related to the Mars/Venus and your North Node in leo. More on this in a bit. very interesting.

11/9/06 4:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"he had to play a female character, he could not help but wonder what it was really like. I felt him perk up when I was exposed to Shakespeare in high school. He didn't care about the content so much as he enjoyed the flow of language."
What a very wonderful way to express this...very insightful...many years ago my beloved said nearly the same thing, somthimes even feeling more feminine than masculine. His venus was conjunct his sun in Taurus 5th house opposite mars in Sco. This was not a question of his sexualiy but a deeper sense of the feminine flowing within.

11/9/06 6:50 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"This combines with your Moon/Jupiter conjunction which is highly generous emotionally. I have one too. There is a nurturing without trying that others are drawn to. This explains the godparent aspect."

Well, I always felt that my role was to give the children of my friend the experience of unconditional acceptance. I suppose that fits in well with Moon-Jupiter in Aquarius.

11/9/06 8:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

A book can be written on every aspect. I love dwelling on them. They reverberate and often feel good as we own and absorb them from this perspective.

The Moon/Jupiter is usually thought of as a very very good aspect. The Moon is the mood of our lives and conjunct Jupiter gives a bouyant and resilient emotional nature. An easy emotional give and in Aquarius nurturing the group. Caring for their emotional hurts without effort. Just by being around.
Moon/Jups are usually good at giving advice to others, and are often free of manipulations and expectations of return.

The flip side is being too good and using it as power.
Overreaction can be another problem. Superiority as well.
Often we have mothers who were leaned on by others and we saw this as kindness and caring, although sometimes it's really not.

The other interesting factor is the mental character and detachment of Aquarius combined with the intimacy of the Moon/Jupiter. It can work many ways. There can be an underlying isolation that is not always comfortable, but I love this trait and get along well with Aquarian Moons.
But the conjunction itself is a great plus in the personality.

The godparent of unconditional acceptance works with everyone in your chosen group. BUT the critical Cap underlies it. Actually a good combo. Brings out the best in people.
There is a problem with yours though because of the South Node of the Moon being there. It will be interesting to look at when we get to the nodes. Issues of personal ego vs democratic blending with the group.

11/9/06 9:03 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This also ties in with the gender thing as Moon/jupiter is a mother. We absorb from others.

11/9/06 9:04 PM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

"Issues of personal ego vs democratic blending with the group."

Because of the lunar nodes (always in opposition) in Leo (ego, self-expression) and Aquarius (group)? I've long forgotten the novel in which I, as a youth, first saw it quoted, but I remembered the Shakespearean quotation itself:

This above all: To thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.


And let the rest fall as it may.

11/9/06 11:05 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So perfect, Kadimiros. So perfect.

The North, the chakra, and the self.

And let the rest fall as it may.

12/9/06 12:34 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I must reveal this to you.

Your last comment caught me exactly in this dilemma. My Saturn in Leo struggles with it constantly and I was deep into an encounter right before I read this. Something was amiss and I couldn't place it.

The whole thing came clear. I dropped the temptation I was chasing and saw the truth.

Thank you. problem completely solved for the moment.

thine own self

12/9/06 12:42 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Now that we're there, and you have such a brilliant grasp of it all, yes...the opposition of the nodes. The North is what we want, the South is our Achilles Heel. Because of the planets around your South it is a very difficult challenge. You have the tremendous ego to get to the North (Sun conjuct Venus and mars), but the tug of war is strong. The the ego of a great Thespian/magician.

I suspect that your destiny is trying to develop the grandest ego imaginable, with the wisdom to appear like a democrat. An autocratic Ace up your sleeve.
In this case also, the more you stand with your personal ego, the better off the group will be. It will give them all confidence. If you allow yourself to be eclipsed or shrink too much, no one will benefit. And the limits to the expansion of the self are almost non existent.

12/9/06 6:05 AM  
Blogger kadimiros said...

Ha, I'm glad you found something helpful in it.

My feeling about this dynamic, self vs. others, is that it may have been a lesson I absorbed in early childhood. Let's say it is related to the play of unity and diversity/variety that is part of art itself. So I think that energy is channeled and used up mostly naturally.

Maybe the opposition tends to manifest as consciousness of situations, of context? I tend to mentally dissect so-called leaders who outrage my sense of justice.

I work independently, or with teams on short-term projects. My skills, both creative and logical, set me apart. So when working with a client's team, I often end up teaching and directing other people in the processes and mechanisms I create to accomplish the project goals (e.g., broadcasting conferences via the Internet -- the rulers of the house of work and of careers are in Aquarius). On the presentational side, my work spills over into graphic design, requiring creative flair, so I really wear multiple hats on a project and integrate the results.

I have sensed that if I take a permanent job position, which has been offered at times, I would end up in more of a leadership (Leo?) role, probably managing projects. That cannot be purely democratic, although it should still serve the group well. I feel that is something that could happen in a few years, if I desire it, but I have not yet made that choice among possible futures.

12/9/06 8:53 AM  
Blogger jm said...

My skills, both creative and logical, set me apart.

There you are. Exactly it.

With the Pisces/Aries first house, permanent jobs are not attractive. But probably a venture into this would be good just for the experience and the development of the Leo. The Pisces is slippery and wants to be able to get free.
The Leo shines in his fixed spot continuosly and the world revolves around him. Very different, but something to add to the hats.

Usually with the North Node we don't even get close enough to know how great it is.

12/9/06 2:25 PM  

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