Clean And Neat
Well, not to a Neptune in the 6th House. To us, they are odd alien creatures. Very odd.
The 6th House is organization, maintenance, and repair.
Neptune is chaos.
Neptune in the 6th does not get the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.
Fortunately, the native can easily fall on her knees in worship. So if the cleaning device took on the persona of a saint or a goddess, perhaps the Neptune in the 6th could clean the house. There's always hope.
posted by jm at 2:49 AM
81 Comments:
Oh, so THAT'S why my house is suffering at the moment! No, mom, I'm not a slob, I just have Neptune in my 6th house. lol.
Actually, with Saturn conjunct my Neptune, I'm disorganized but feeling guilty about it. I'm nowhere as bad as those people on the de-clutter-me shows (which are proliferating all the time). They keep drumming it into the poor little homeowner that there's a psychological reason behind the "clutter" and that to be neat and clutter-free is to be psychologically healthy.
But my quilting friends have a saying: "A neat house is a sign of a boring life."
jm, i finally got around to reading "A Girlie Gene" since i was so busy simming all weekend. (Yes. All weekend.) ANYWAY...
Where you said "Pols look deficient, crippled to me in some way. Their bodies are off, unbalanced, their faces are not real, and they almost seem like thay are developmentally disabled. They are not our best specimens.", it reminded me of a Neal Stephenson book I just finished called "Interface" about the manipulation of the political system by a corrupt power elite. One of the more interesting characters (a media consultant)gave an interesting little speech how there are people who faces work on television (the current crop of politicians, for instance) versus movie stars who faces are scuplted to look good at all angles.
just an observation.
I'm prone to neat piles .. everywhere!! However, I always have to clean the kitchen before I start cooking. The same before I set my loom up too. There is something about an uncluttered work space that frees my mind to be creative.
All the Aries folk in my life are neat, neat, neat! Pick up those piles & mop that floor . . . no clutter allowed!!
Casey! I suspected you were deep in your Simming World this past weekend!! When you have a chance, track down kj's birthdata . . . it's somewhere here on jm's blog . . . :-) I'll look too . . . I know you both have Taurus ASC.
Found it!
kj: march 31, 1955
7:30 - 7:40AM
Lafayette, Indiana
kj's husband: Nov 7, 1952
1:54PM
Warrensburg, Missouri
BTW, when jm realizes kj's husband's MC in 13 degrees Sagittarius, she'll be asking about his experience of Pluto transiting over it . . . That would have been from late 1999 to around 2004. :-)
well, kj and I do have a fair amount of things in common -- we both have Taurus asc. and the sun in the 11th. We both have Neptune/Sat. in the 6th (kj, do you overwork as much as I do?). And we both have Venus in Pisces. Though she has her Merc in Pisces and I have my Merc in Aries. Kinda reciprocal -- I always think of my merc/jupiter conjunction in Aries as my liveliest (and happiest) planets. Happy-go-lucky. Even though hidden (like neith there). Otherwise i have all those heavy, serious planets and plodding Taurus asc. to deal with.
I've been thinking about that 12th house Merc. we both have, neith, and I think it's definitely manifested in our journeling (a.k.a. "blogging"). I've got to get how I'm feeling down on "paper" before I can deal with it. Talking just doesn't cut it. And I think my own blog is very light-hearted, for the most part. More of a repository for everything from jokes to lyrics to serious discussions to notes to simmers who haven't deleted me yet. Like jm and her wonderful illustrations! Only I can't post pictures, only links to other places. sigh. I love neith's and your pictures -- beautiful and stimulating.
oh, man, i got my tenses all messed up there because i forgot whose blog i was signing. lol. sorry, jm. i temporarily thought i was at neith's.
and neith? you're lucky you're not here where i could harangue you on my sims like i do my co-horts IRL. A brilliant simmer who originated the Legacy challenge issued a new and very involved challenge called the Apocalypse Challenge. I haven't simmed so much or had so much trouble in ages. Though it did force me to try a new kind of house that was a tower in a virtual wasteland.
I don't know if any of you guys have read an extremely important architectural book called "A Pattern Language"? It came out in the late 70s and was very influential in the architectural curriculum -- it discussed what makes a house/town/country livable. A lot of it was the authors' personal opinion, but it really made architects THINK about what makes a "good" house. I highly recommend it, if anyone else is interested in architecture. I'm insanely passionate about houses. Other little girls dreamed about husbands and families but I dreamed about my own little house.
SO, to get back to what I wanted to say, the author maintained that houses should be long and narrow (with windows on two sides) or else tall and thin. The challenge stated that my sim house could only be 8x8 squares but that it could build up. So mine is a tall brick tower (6 stories now).
Very interesting challenge -- you start out very restricted because it's supposed to be the sims rebuilding from a nuclear melt-down holocaust. Then you earn back basic amenities over your generations as a sim rises to the top of one of the 14 career paths. (It takes a lifetime to reach the top usually.) Only two careers can be "unlocked" per generation (by the sim and spouse). Anyway, it REALLY makes you think about what's important -- to set your priorities in life. way cool. And SUCH a challenge. You should have heard the constant whining and crying until I unlocked the Medical career which brought back baths and birth control. Most interesting.
oh, man, i got my tenses all messed up there because i forgot whose blog i was signing. lol. sorry, jm. i temporarily thought i was at neith's.
ROFL!!!!! 12th house Merc in action! Buts that OK 'cause I'm still reading it!!
You are so right about writing out what going on in the head. It's amazing how much clearer that makes my issues. Blogging is one of the best things that's happened to me in a long time....
Casey, remember Saturn will be squaring your Moon here shortly (probably already feeling it . . those comments about feeling alone, for instance). I have to laugh at myself, having this whole other life that very, very few people in my daily physical life know about . . . it's just sooo Scorpio & 12th house. But hey, it's harmless & really helpful in so many ways!! :-)
Oh, one last thing on my sims (i promise). Sims have astrological signs and have personality traits according to those signs. Virgos, for instance, have 10 (the most) neat points while Librans have VERY FEW neat points. Anyway, my second generation heir (female) was a Gemini. And her first pregnancy was TWINS! ha. ha. And then her father died. In seconds of the birth. Two babies lying on the ground and the Grim Reaper (a.k.a. "Grimmie) taking her father. sorry, i'll slink off to my simming corner now. just had to share.
well, kj, here's a link to Astrodienst.com which talks about your chart:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/atxgen.cgi?btyp=apx&&cid=sn4file0sjXzL-u1152717376&nhor=6
In words, instead of the chart picture we usually deal with. That should be a beginning for you.
As I have expounded on here before, I find charts usually re-iterate the same thing from different areas of your chart. It's like it's hitting you over your head until you "get" it. But I haven't had a chance to go into it in full yet. And I owe neith some comments before that too. I'll try to do something soon besides simming.
And here are the current transits for your chart:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/atxgen.cgi?btyp=atx&&cid=sn4file0sjXzL-u1152717376&nhor=6
As I have expounded on here before, I find charts usually re-iterate the same thing from different areas of your chart. It's like it's hitting you over your head until you "get" it. But I haven't had a chance to go into it in full yet. And I owe neith some comments before that too. I'll try to do something soon besides simming.
LOL! I'll hold you to that!!
Hey, kj, if you have any questions, just ask. Typically you'll get a deluge of information . . . some of it comprehensible, some not. But since you are a wordsmith, I'm sure you'll do fine!
It's the diversity of people's interests here that have made me feel safe.
In jm's case, it's not only a diversity of interests, it's a diversity of personalities!! One of the many reasons we all adore her!
well, was it Pat who said yesterday that it seems to be easier to have good relationships end than to be done with difficult ones? So the implication would be that if it's truly not working then it would be too hard to withdraw gracefully.
Unless you're like me and your relationships should get amputated.
as far as working ahead, i would say the relationship won't go away until you've done the work required and the lesson learned. so better to start now and try to do the work in front of the tsunami of terminations when the emotions engaged are raging. cuz one thing i know, aries can rage.
Do whatever you can while you count to a hundred. Once you reach a hundred, stop. You're done.
Great idea! My kind of people.
But my quilting friends have a saying: "A neat house is a sign of a boring life."
Love this one too. People always remark how much is going on at my house.
Casey, this is fascinating. I'm not alone.
One of the more interesting characters (a media consultant)gave an interesting little speech how there are people who faces work on television (the current crop of politicians, for instance) versus movie stars who faces are scuplted to look good at all angles.
Which transit on the Forecast page are you referring too? If it's the Jupiter over the Descendant, then in all likelihood, if you choose to end a relationship, it should be fairly smooth. Or as smooth as those of us with lots of Fixed Signs can manage!! Like Casey said, the change can be abrupt . . amputated . . . 'head shake' . . lol! A lot depends on the nature of the relationship too. In other words, more info is needed!! :-)
wherever the center is determines the horizon
This really struck me.
Kj, some of us are astrologers and I'm hoping the others will learn as we go. It's so helpful. Every bit is valuable.
Kj, you answered your own question:
that i've already decided needs to end, that i go ahead and withdraw (hopefully gracefully)?
Once the decision is made, I think you can go ahead. Better chances of it being graceful.
I agree with the lessons learned from all relationships.
so better to start now and try to do the work in front of the tsunami of terminations when the emotions engaged are raging.
LOL!
KJ!!!!!!!!!! I can't believe it! So well put!
I did it this weekend. Over.
This is interesting and for everyone....it's about hero worship, being manipulated by politicians, and growing up.
Kj and I found each other at a political blog that worships one of these pols. We've been so lost without leadership and new awareness has come so I think most of us in the country are disenchanted, but less likely to be duped. Big gain here.
In the long run that's why I think the whole experience is so valuable. It's teaching us to connect with one another and find the value and leadership in ourselves.
And it's worked! Beyond my expectations.
Ah, in that case, sounds more like you needing to make peace with yourself about ending an "obligation". Aries w/stubborn Taurus ASC/Mars are very determined to see things through to the bitter end . . . my dear Aries always calls himself a 'Man of his Word' - and he means it! The way this pragmatic Libra sees it, if they've thoroughly compromised themselves in your eyes, then just move on & leave them to take care of themselves!
That's it!!!
Thank you Casey!! The tsunami of terminations.
I think Juiter ending in Scorpio(elimination) is giving us the go ahead to terminate so we can share our enthusiasm completely when Jup goes into Sag.
now, of course, some might like the sensation of the emotional tsunami, so they can wait till the last minute.
Also, as I said earlier, Mars in Libra is the hatchet man.
And Mars in Libra is in kj's 6th. Relationships ending around work.
I think almost everyone here is a poet.
Juiter goes into Sagittarius November 24.
Sagittarius is one of the most enthusiastic, joyous, optimistic, outgoing, life loving energies there is, in pure form. Jupiter is the planet of the same. Together they are beckoning humans on earth to look at the majesty of life and the universe, and look away for a moment from the details that are oppressing, and most of all, terrifying people. There is a cosmic orchestration and Sagittarius senses a protective entity of some sort in life. Now is the time for recognition.
Some will. Some won't.
But those who are ready are clearing the decks to prepare for this year long joy ride unimpeded.
We've earned it.
A prediction from a master
"A prediction from a Master" . . . uh oh . . . you know what Pat will say . . :-) She's far too modest IMO!!!! Isn't it fun to have her drop by?!
YES!!!!
She has a Leo 7th and she brings out the party person in us all. Tseka too.
Jupiter will be trining Saturn in leo, so get your party hats and whistles!
Serious Saturn celebrations ahead, Especially in this spot of the Uni.
Perhaps the Termination Tsunami will be in full swing this Full Moon. Moon in Aries, Mars in Libra. Also adding strength to the working ones, as we are already seeing.
I wonder if that's why I've been busy snipping ties to things, communities and activities where my heart just isn't it anymore. This includes communities I once viewed as indispensible.
Although this was about a month ago already. Maybe I'm sensitive to it seeing as Jupiter is in my natal sign (Scorp)...
Joe. Amazing.
Jupiter has been in your 6th house, ruling work and routines. So routine parts of youe life are being changed. Comes once every 12 years.
That includes all the political activism sites like Moveon.org, TrueMajority, Public Action Campaign Fund, et al.
I've been quietly unsubscribing from the automatic updates, urgent calls for action, petitions, rally organizing, etc. It has gradually become too loud, too shrill and strident, and too much.
This is odd because all signs point to a sea change in public opinion. Now that the rest of the country is finally going with MY flow for a change, I'm contrarily dropping out.
Occasionally I am concerned that I'm getting depressed but many other enjoyable things have come to replace the stuff I've cut out or dropped as irrelevant.
Oops I clicked "publish" too soon.
...but many other enjoyable things have come to replace the stuff I've cut out or dropped as irrelevant, so there's more to this than meets the eye.
And you pretty much explained that undercurrent, jm. :o)
Joe, it's incredible.
A lot of us are doing this. A good sign. No longer necessary. The destruction of this regime is done. It's just details now, no matter what the outward events are.
Scorpio as I've said is elimination and the big confluence of Scorpio coming up in Nov. will do it finally.
It has gradually become too loud, too shrill and strident, and too much.
I think it always was and now it's coming clear. This kind of approach to problem solving is definitely limited. It worked as emotional outlet when nothing could be done, but those times are over.
Your computer virus was pretty weird. Your Moon in Cap will alawys find something to be depressed about, but Jupiter is coming into your 7th and you have expanded and new relationships ahead to cheer you up.
There's nothing wrong with the brooding nature of Scorp and Cap. My sister is a Scorp with Moon in cap, and she starts all conversations with, "we're doomed". But she laughs like no one else.
oh god, jm. I'm hanging out down at a coffee place down by Seattle, waiting for my sis-in-law to get home, and you nearly made me trash the laptop with projectile coffee...LOL!...now everybody's staring at me.....
"we're doomed". I LIKE THAT.
No, I subscribe to the same political sites as Joe and they HAVE become more shrill lately. Maybe it's the coming elections, but they send me about 50 e-mails a day at work. And they phone CONSTANTLY wanting money. I keep telling them I'm not making as much money as I did with overtime but they just want more.
sigh. I still support them in my heart because when the Repub. convention was here in Houston in 1992 , they scared the be-jeesus out of me.
jm, i got a blues song for you...
I'm standing by my window
And I'm waiting on the summer rain
And I'm standing by my window
And I'm waiting on the summer rain
Well, I felt this way before and
I'm gonna feel this way again
I've been listening to this music
Ever since the age of three
I've been listening to this music
Ever since the age of three
I want you to play me a t for texas
Or play me a t for tennessee
I want a plain glass of water
Vanilla ice cream with a cherry on top, thats what I want
I want a plain glass of water
Uh, huh, vanilla ice cream with a cherry on top, mm, hm, hm, hm,
Take a walk with me, baby
Up the foggy mountain top, watch it!
I'm going up on highway one
Said you know I dig it the most
I'm going up on highway one
Eh, you know I dig it the most
I'm gonna sing this song
All along the water coast
I want a plain glass of water
Ice cream with a cherry on top, thats the way I like it, ah!
I want a plain glass of water,
Vanilla ice cream with a cherry on top
Walk with me, baby
Up the foggy mountain top, whats that?
Oh, come along with me, oh!
On the foggy mountain top
Keep on walking, keep on walking, baby
On the foggy mountain top
Keep walking with me baby
Up the foggy mountain top
Juno!
That's what you get for laughing so easily!
I once cracked up in a shopping mall food court at an antic of my crazy Leo, and the people around started laughing too! No idea why!
Casey, thanks for sharing that. I thought it was just me, but evidently not.
Casey, I like that one. The water with the ice cream is like nothing with everything.
The bastards steal our money and our joy!
I'm not giving a cent to one more until they talk to me honestly. I have my dignity to consider.
spendin my money on my sweet baby
My yoga magazine this month is an issue of "Finding Joy" and is advocating laughing during yoga. They were talking about a yoga class they went to where people would burst out laughing at any moment, including during relaxation pose. Some of it was staged, some spontaneous...it seems that anytime someone would laugh, soon the whole room would too.
interesting therapy.
Very powerful and infectious. Laughter comes from the solar plexus area and one of the most potent reflex spots in the body. I think vomiting, gagging, singing, sounds of sexual pleasure, moans of pain...all come from there.
Laughter is an explosion. I think it releases grief.
I would suggest that a 4th house neptune is no boon to housekeeping either...I am a pile-type organizer. The crab tees me off because he's a neatnik and tends to put my piles away. Then he forgets where he put them...*sigh*
Casey is that a new Neal Stephenson? Hadn't heard of it (I love all of his stuff, esp. Zodiac and Snow Crash...)
I'm with you guys on the shrill thing. Right about the time I met y'all, I had been doing a lot of political blogging and got on a few mailing lists. I think I'm going to have to part ways w/them as the mail volume is getting a little excessive and I have no money to give. I'm in the same place about the participation, Joe. I have never voted for a winner in an election. My candidates seem to do better without me...I was aggressively anarchist in the nineties and refused to vote, having been completely discouraged and outvoted in the Reagan years...of course we got Clinton for 8 years which despite his faults wasn't a horrible thing. Then I got all worked up again and started voting...and look what happened...The only election I ever enjoyed was the CA recall election with 150 candidates, including Gary Coleman, Angelique (a high class call-girl in LA) and some guy from the beer party. Of course even then I lost, but voting was fun for once. We should have a hundred candidates to choose from every day...Not to say I'm going to quit voting...I feel more strongly about it than I have in some time, but I am pretty much tuning out the politics again and I feel saner for it...
Hey, jm, how did you know I laugh all the time *wink*....:)?
Everything I'm feeling and doing Juno. I'm an anarchist. The other night I came to my senses and thought I should be my natural self. But I'll vote. Just to lick the envelope.
We Moons in Sag have a tendency to chuckle!
Sometimes at the wrong things!
Well, during the '92 election, I went out and registered Democrats here. Before that I always thought of myself as a "moderate independent." Nothin' like seeing those "Lambs of God" in action on your own streets to radicalize you. I remember we knocked on one door which turned out to be the Administrator of Planned Parenthood here. When she heard they were at her clinic, SHE got radicalized too.
But I did go to a Clinton rally that fall. What totally AMAZED me was when I shook his hand, I got a palpable electric shock. I really didn't believe in such things (being a total cynic), but, in person, that man has CHARISMA out that wa-zoo.
And Juno? No, that's an older (mid-90s) Neal Stephenson. If you're up to a tome weighing about five pounds, then check out his "Cryptomonicom" which took me about 200 pages to really get into, but then I snorfled through the rest of it. And his latest is a trilogy called "The Baroque Trilogy" which is about Sir Isaac Newton, another 17th physicist (not real) named Daniel Waterhouse, and picaresque swashbuckler named "Half-Cocked Jack" and a beautiful economist courtesan named Eliza. Incredible dense, funny, brilliant tour-de-force books but it took me 5 months to finish them. And I read the last Harry Potter is a day, so I read fast.
17th century, that is.
Haven't finished the Cyrptonomicon yet, but enjoyed the quicksilver trilogy immensely. Yeah, too me forever too and I'm a book-a-day gal too:)
God, that last post is illegible, probably time to pack it in and head for the sis-in-laws...we get along really well, but then, her Leo sun is conjunct my rising...Talk to youse later!!!!
"They were talking about a yoga class they went to where people would burst out laughing..."
I saw something like that demonstrated in The Museum Of Natural History once. A large group of people had spontaneously gathered to hear two speakers gave a humorous talk about the health benefits of laughter and laughter clubs. There was a brief charming film. Then the surprise demo came. They got the audience members to turn, stare bug-eyed at their nearest neighbors and bust out laughing uproariously. We were prodded into a few different laughing exercises, involving movements of every limb. The faces and movements we made at each other did get pretty funny.
A middle-aged man and a little girl by his side standing at the right front edge of the group were the only holdouts. They did not seem like New Yorkers to me. They looked back at the rest of the audience, frozen, resistant to the spirit of the thing. My aunt pointed them out to me and commented, "Isn't that sad how some people can't let go?"
Let go and live....
Makes you wonder what their story was.
P'raps they forgot, or never learned, that life is beautiful. La vita e bella....
Italiano!!! Didn't know you were multilingual!
Nah, not really. ;-) I just remember that one phrase quoted in a story I read. It's the name of a movie, too, I've heard. Something about surviving a concentration camp through the saving graces of fantasy, I believe. You may know of it.
I saw it. It was a fantastic movie!!!
It's a Beautiful Life.
It was so good.
Sheesh, look what I miss being gone 13 hours a day! I don't believe you guys!
KJ is having her Chiron return. Exact right now. I have to admit not knowing a lot about this. What I know, I've learned from Dan Furst, who told me what to expect when I have mine, which will be next year. The obvious effect is deep healing, but we have to help it along by being courageous enough to confront any parts of our lives that aren't working and to make the necessary changes. Relationships are big, but KJ has Chiron on the midheaven, so I'm guessing that what she does for a living also is a big part of her feelings of wholeness.
I also see that Pisces and Virgo populate her eleventh and fifth houses, and this is where the current series of eclipses are taking place. The lunar eclipse on Sept. 7 (in your friendship sector, KJ) is still in play, helping to force us out of what's no longer working in order to clear the slate for something new. I believe that the "something new" will happen within a couple of weeks of the solar eclipse this Friday.
Based on my own experience, I'd say that the lesson in some relationships is learning how to end them, gracefully or otherwise.
Casey, that was an interesting remark about 12th house Mercury and journaling. I have Mercury in the 12th (18 degrees Cap) and have been keeping a personal journal for more than 20 years. I write everyday on my way to work, and it's rare that I present any issues or ideas at my current job before having thoroughly worked through them in my journal. I work with some very strong-willed and intelligent people, so being clear in my own mind about what I want and why is vitally important. Otherwise, I'd just disappear into the woodwork, unable to make an argument that would cut it with these folks.
Journaling also has saved my sanity while Uranus has been on my natal Moon and square natal Saturn. I'd have burst into tears at the office more than once if not for this little college-ruled notepad.
As for the original post, JM, this made me think of my previous landlady, who let me do my laundry in her house. I forget the brand of her washer, but the model was called Neptune, and it was supposed to be the latest and greatest, environmentally sensitive, etc. Well, as it turned out, the Neptune was a lemon -- needed constant babying and repairs.
BTW, people with strong Pisces in their charts are notoriously sloppy housekeepers. Truly, in this regard, they are the anti-Virgos.
OH MY GOD AGAIN!!!
I just laughed so loud you wouldn't believe it!
Neptune! The washer!!!!
OMG Pat. You are hilarious! And this is getting absurd. I'm SO glad your sanity has been saved!!
BTW, people with strong Pisces in their charts are notoriously sloppy housekeepers. Truly, in this regard, they are the anti-Virgos.
You would not believe my Pisces boss . . . he was home alone for a couple of months this spring, and managed to lose track of all kinds of important papers. He truly lives in his head. I've handed a document, watched him set it down & TOTALLY forget he did it!
Neptune washers are made by Maytag . . . too damn expensive & very hard on clothes!
THE VOICE OF REASON!!!
You guys are all so dynamic here! Every time I stop by, I realize that I am about two entire threads behind! I don't know that I'll be able to keep up much for awhile... at least until Saturn clears my Second House sometime around June/July of next year, and maybe I don't have to work, work, work as much, but this is certainly one of the most enjoyable blogs/forums that I have been a participant in. jm, you really started someting awesome here!
kj, I just wanted to say (from about four threads ago) that it is as much an honor for me to be mentioned by jm in the same paragraph as you! I am glad that you are here.
Neith and Tseka, did I read correctly that you are also both Sun-Chiron Conjunct people? If so, what has the experience been like for you? At least since the end of my teenage years, I have felt that my natal Sun Taurean energy has been "eclipsed" somehow. I went through a long period of just "going through the motions" after a couple of events that shook me up quite a bit. It really wasn't until my mid-20s that I truly began to pull myself together, after a couple more events took place that shook me up even more. I know that there's at least a dozen transits in between, but looking back, I do notice a sort of "psycho-spirital wound" (Chiron?) that I've had to deal with. It has left me very much changed, with my spirituality much stronger than before, and I strangely seem to identify much more with my Lunar Sign energy (Cap), and Lunar energy in general.
I still like turtles, though. And food. And music. And all of those other good Taureans things. But I'm very rarely as stubborn, dense and blockheaded as I once was.
jm, I love your description of Neptune in the Sixth House. Now, along with you and Casey, I also understand why my surroundings are always so messy! I wonder if mom was giving me a subtle hint when she suggested that she thought I'd do well to marry a Virgo?
Well, Neo. Mother's know best, but you should be sure if venturing into Virgo territory. If she has a Venus in Leo, though, that would be great for your Saturn.
Speaking of which. The eclipse factor is also Saturn in Leo. It blocks the Sun energy. Saturn really takes time.
How does your mother know astrology, BTW?
I don't pay any attention to Chiron. I've already got enough wounds. I like'em to heal.
jm, she only knows the very basics (Sun signs), except for what I have more recently taught her about her own chart and those of other people, as well as the various transits and what they tend to influence. She has always believed that people are influenced by the energies of the planets, particularly the moon and the sun. That seems to be a pretty advanced concept for a lot of people to grasp nowadays, but mom has always had something of an advanced outlook, with Aquarius on her Ascendant.
I don't believe either of them had Venus in Leo, but two of the most wonderful Virgo girls I've ever known had Water Moons, one in Cancer, the other in Scorpio. The former, a tall, beautiful bookish-looking sort who dressed like a very homey Cancerian, I could very easily talk with for hours and hours on end about anything under the sun, around and above it. The latter was a bit shorter, equally as beautiful, but with a mind sharper than a ginsu knife, totally fearless, intense (Scorpio) and stunningly direct to the point.
Couldn't do much to keep the former around. She dumped her boyfriend (another guy) to move back to her hometown after college, so I never really had a chance at being next in line. We continued to talk for awhile online, but the personal connection just didn't translate well.
The latter, on the other hand, totally slipped through my fingers, but it certainly wasn't for a lack of trying on her part. She literally threw herself at me. Lucky me, she showed up while I was probably at my lowest point, down and out spiritually and emotionally, so I was too out of it to respond in kind. By the time I started to snap out of that funk, she had vanished without a trace. When I did finally track her down, a year later, she was engaged. Missing out on her hurt me dearly for a very long time.
I wonder if there have been any eclipses at or in relation to 6-7 Taurus in the past 10 years? I haven't been paying much attention to them until recently, but it would certainly explain a lot.
The best explanation is probably in the basics. Your relationship map in the natal chart.
If you want to post your birth info, I can look and some of the others would be interested.
Capricorn 7th with Saturn in Leo could need someone more powerful and dynamic, bossy, take charge, ambitious and all of that, than you are, so you can investigate your internal personal world as a Cancer rising and kick back a little as a Taurus. If your Moon is in the 7th(ruling your asc) in Cap all the more need for someone to take care of things.
It comes back to the Saturn in Leo and the expression of warmth and so called love. You need someone to help you with that since it's so much a part of romantic love.
But that comes when you are ready to release it. Now at this first return, it's on your mind.
It is imortant to draw in people who are expressive to overcome all that reserved withholding Saturn energy you have, but still use its discipline.
And since Saturn rules your 7th, a partner is instrumental in your Sun energy getting out.
See what happens after Jupiter gets out of Scorpio and relieves some pressure on your Sun, and Neptune can maybe work its magic more.
I can't see how things can help from changing dramatically when Pluto heads toward your Moon, trining your Sun. That could be a very productive time. I've seen a lot of marriages with Pluto transiting the 7th. maybe it's better to wait a little and get it right.
Pat! I love when you pop in. It's funny that you made the comment about Pisces being the "anti-Virgo". (Though I usually get along with virgos quite well because they just assume the dominant role and I quietly play my passive-aggressive self and THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH ME! snicker.)
ANYWAY (lord, I can get off topic so easily), this morning I made a grammatical error while driving to work with Eve and she did her usual queenly grammar correction and I shouted "There's a VIRGO in the car." She carried on a few (the word I messed up was actually "less" instead of "fewer") minutes and I just kept saying "Virgo." "Virgo."
She's having her Pisces problems now (big time!) because her 80-something Japanese mother is a Pisces and lives with her. Anyway, sadly, her mother fell a month ago and had a hematoma in the brain and had to undergo brain surgery. She's been recovering nicely and spent several weeks at a rehab hospital but now she's home. And because Eve acts like the mother (and always has for the past seven years they've been living together), her mother has reverted to the typical passive-aggressive Pisces childhood where she is rebelling against Eve's authority. Not in an unpleasant way. More like a mischevious child. I'm getting a big kick out of it. Go, Mama-san.
I have my own rebellious moments with Eve.
I don't pay any attention to Chiron. I've already got enough wounds. I like'em to heal.
With all the rest of the action in your chart jm, you probably said "Enough is Enough!!" So your Chiron doesn't really form aspects expect widely to Pluto & Saturn. Shoot, that whole Moon/Jupiter op Venus/Uranus is quite enough to work with!! :-)
dreamt last night that I (me! not Fiona) began a quilt. I was using embrodery thread and needed to stitch an amethyst crystal to a tree, first, before beginning the quilt.
that sounds like one of those sequences that show up in my dreams . . . I'm being pounded with Saturn type dreams right now since Saturn is being squaring my 12th house planets. It's all about finishing up disagreeable projects before starting something new & fun!! And today the Moon is Void-of-Course all day (which means it forms no aspects before moving into Virgo), so it really is tidy up the loose ends day.
Casey - Eve is such a Virgo! She takes care of her mom, and well, from the sounds of it. Yet that Virgo whine, you know the one . . . "nobody loves me, everybody hates me, guess I'll go eat worms . . ." My mom has Virgo ASC and was the best mom to have when we were sick as kids. But she never missed an opportunity to let us know when she felt unappreciated . . . plus the hypochondria . . . I suspect part of my allergy to allopathic medicine to due to that.
Had to give some thought to what happened around my Chiron Return. With Chiron being 2 degrees from my Sun, it is one of the closest aspects in my chart - the other being Mars/Mercury 2 degrees apart in Scorpio. Since all these are part of my 12th house (Sun/Chiron just inside the 11th on the 12th house cusp), it was a very strange sequence of events. I was taking a Tai Chi class & the instructor loved a form of stick fighting, so we learned that too. This acted on that Mars/Merc to bring out the "bite me" agressive side . . . Early in 1996, I was sitting up reading & an armed man walked into the house, tied me up with duct tape, demanded money, which I gave him, then left. Very, very disturbing . . and my Aries slept through it all. I only woke him when the local law arrived. About six months later, the perp beat his girlfriend so badly she turned him in. Just about the time my Chiron Return was exact, I was testifying against him . . . he got 10 yrs. For me the lesson from Chiron was DO NOT activate your aggressive side, period! Throughout my life, being a kindly, gentle person has always been rewarded by the Universe, & the reverse - so NOT rewarded. Doesn't mean I don't have my bitchy moments but just keep working to move that focus to a more positive space. Words from a person w/a powerful Mars/Mecury can be uplifting or very detrimental . . power is neutral, it's the use of it that determines the end. Hey, we all saw Star Wars, right?!
That reminds me of a Leo friend who used to do a kind tai chi called "push hands" as a form of martial arts. It was all about using the other person's actions to defeat him/her.
An interesting guy -- he had the dream seismic processor's job. Field QC. He would travel with the crews and process data on site. Then if there was a problem, say, with the field survey, he'd talk to the surveyor and get them to correct the problem. He was married to a Brazilian woman, a little firecracker of a woman who hated Houston so much, she took the baby and returned to northern Brazil (not the easiest place to get to in the world). Anyway, his job allowed him to work a couple of months in a row and then take off six weeks to see his son. He wasn't nuts about the woman but he was nuts about that boy.
Home where Grandma buried turquouse and crystals in the yard. Home where my poetry mentor lives. Home is where I was first published. Home is where the rest of my life begins.
Does this sound like 3 planets in cancer, neith?
We'll tell ya everything, kj.
That is amazing about your mentor. I know we did the right thing. You helped me. It happened fast once we connected. I took myself off the Move-on list this morning. No argument at all from her.
The Bird People have been waiting.
Shoot, that whole Moon/Jupiter op Venus/Uranus is quite enough to work with!! :-)
With Pluto there now!
Amazing experience neith with chiron and that's again exactly your SN in the 1st and moving from aggression. It's a warrior's memory and mastery of battle in the past. Comletely done this lifetime.
It's a warrior's memory and mastery of battle in the past. Comletely done this lifetime.
Took a Chiron return to put the icing on the cake . . . that SN stuff is soooo seductive and such a trap!
I wish we had sound effects for when you post, jm . . . you know, the drum roll, etc! :-) 'cause once you arrive, things start popping around here!!!
From the looks of it, things are popping on their own, neith!
I will admit, I am excited. And once aroused, I can easily get carried away. Remember that Moon/Jup/Venus/Uranus thingy?
I've never experienced anything like this exchange of ideas...round the clock. And new things always get me going.
It's the SYNERGY, to quote one of our illustrious experts!
Well, having kj on board is a wonder! Plus Neo's thoughtful input is always good to spark some thought.
And right now I'm at work, waiting for my boss to show up & start dealing with his backlog & sitting in front of a computer with a fast internet connection . . . :-)
I think this is one of the most fascinating developments in our history. The way people can now log in to the universal mind and enjoy being on the job!
This is big. Our work ethic is changing as we get to our NN in Leo, Saturn just passed.
Remember how Casey drops by when she's at work waiting for one of her programs to run? There are lots of us out here that can multi-task this way. We can broaden our horizons & get something accomplished job-related at the same time.... heck, women have been doing that forever anyway!
It's the fun factor that's so good. Work is not supposed to be like this. This window of escape from oppression.
Holy!! That was some chiron lesson Neith, what you took away from it is awesome, and humbling, and... words fail.
Neo, my chiron trails my sun Neith posted the "scout" planet must make a differece because i do not think chiron is particularly notable for me. But i'm relative newbie to astrology and it's all hindsight for me.
Got beat up in an elevator maybe i'll go take a look at that transit...a few tight moments in my adventuring life but have managed to talk my way out of 'em. Or in the case of grizzly bear distract and flee.
my, my...life..can be a trip eh?
Life IS a trip.
Ya!
yup - there's nothing like 20-20 hindsight, is there. The stranger part was like two days before we had self-defense instruction at my Tai Chi class . . the instructor basically said if they have a gun, do as they say unless it's life or death. The other lesson was for my independent Aries who didn't believe in locking the doors 'cause we lived out in the country . . . my intuition said otherwise but I didn't press the point - needless to say, our doors are locked now! This may be an odd thing to say, but for me the best defense is to take basic precautions and stay neutral as possible - aggression attracts aggression for me.
aggression attracts aggression
I could not agree more.
The reason I came here to join with you and end the hate and violence.
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