Friday, September 15, 2006

Concentric Circles

Welcome NEO and KJ!

NEOBuckeye is a disenchanted Ohioan I met on a political astrology site. We had many wonderful relaxed late night chats about the future of our country. He is a great larger picture astrologer and I am happy to have him join us. Hopefully some enchantment will return after hanging out with this zany bunch of artists, mystics, philosophers, astrologers, mythologists, scientists, writers, and all around good people. Neo is a Taurus. He does have a Saturn in Leo which can cause shyness, but pay it no mind. He shines anyway.

KJ is a poet seeker I met on a political site, with a nagging responsibility to the collective that drives her nuts! She laments the fact that she is driven to distraction from her mystical pursuits by the lower nature of man. This bunch will surely distract her from this lower nature and back to the metaphysical world we all love so much. She has a way with words and a mighty spirit if you can keep up with her. She is an Aries.
A hearty welcome again to my great friends.

130 Comments:

Anonymous tseka said...

Hej Neo here's another hug, glad you are here, being Taurus, can you get too many hugs?

KJ, welcome to JM's Raging Uni, a collections of extraordinary people, a few imaginary, one chicken and a few Uranians (um JM i'm guessing on the Moonbats....)

I noted your post on a previous thread and am very interested in your comment. "The epic I'm channeling has a character who has strings of light connecting her from her ears to the Source... and I've not read that anywhere else... !!! Sami? What? Where does this come from? Please?
I'd love to hear more.

The above comes from Sami (Lapland)shamanic practices.
In the Sami ritual tradition each spring a white reindeer is scarificed to clear the pathway to the Sun. This reindeer (who shares name with the other "white" women) if not white wears a white thread, which evokes the "Sun Women" those who have a white thread in their ear connecting them to the Sun. This remembering is to reintegrate the "kindred" all the Stars, Moon, Sun, Birds, People animals...The White (memory) Women can travel "the pathway".

Sami myth is that the people of Sampi were born of the Sun. Other circumpolar peoples have differing birthhomes, Sirius was the home of the people of Hel. The idea was that the "frost giants" were located in space, each was a memory connected to a power. Frey (Earth) Odin (Mercury) Freya (Venus) Niord father of Frey and Freya (Saturn) Hel and Loki (Sirius) all represent actual entities and the wisdom of the place they came from.
Probably more that you want to know, i think we talked some about this on the Psyche thread too....

15/9/06 7:00 PM  
Anonymous tseka said...

OK, now then, also answering from a prev post.

Juno, 1-5 pm and to everybody here's an invite to my opening i wish that you could all come!Tseka : One Dance More photos to follow soon in the gallery Songs of Water

La Conner Washington in answer to you JM is a quaint art town (WA's version of Carmel) on the Swinomish Channel, the south tip of the San Juan Islands...it's pretty dreamy. Look on Neith's page to see a photo of similar landscape.

15/9/06 7:15 PM  
Anonymous Juno Jones said...

"a collections of extraordinary people, a few imaginary, one chicken and a few Uranians (um JM i'm guessing on the Moonbats....)"
HA HA HA HA etc etc etc LOL! I haven't read farther, I will in a sec. When I stop laughing....

15/9/06 7:19 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

I must be one of the Uranians. :o) That, along with "the third gender," was an old, and relatively benign, epithet for queerfolk.

15/9/06 8:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Uranian? Benign? Glad to hear that. Winston Moonbat will be glad too!

15/9/06 8:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm going to attend the opening, tseka, right here with my whispering wine glass. The 23?

May the arts triumph!

15/9/06 9:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That is another uncanny thing. KJ and her white thread. I'm also waiting to hear.

15/9/06 9:11 PM  
Anonymous tseka said...

"That is another uncanny thing. KJ and her white thread. I'm also waiting to hear."
just another copperlined box being opened, do you figure?

Oh yes, JM you attend for afar, with "whispering wineglasses" i'll know.
BTW Bremerton is not too far away from there...i could speak to a seal or two for you, if you like.

Also there are lots of Blue Herons along the shore even on the docks, they stand in the shadows of the piers to fish in the early mornings. I'll drop some whispers in the water for Casey as well.

15/9/06 9:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Tonight in an art gallery I met Bill Winter. he is a marine vet running for Congress in Colorado against Tancredo, a crazy right wing madman. For some reason I got interested in this one as a got a strong positive reaction to Winter previously. The story is here. The force to neutralize the religious/ideological extremism as Pluto leaves Sagittarius. If he wins, I take this as a sign. he is so sensible and down to earth.

The astro configurations coming up are strong strong strong. Pluto will just be finishing its 4 month stop at 24 sag and moving ahead to the GC again immediately after the election.

Scorpio ruled by Pluto is dominating the time completely. Mercury retro, Venus, the sun, Jupiter and Mars will all be in Scorpio the first week in November. This is an incredible consolidation. Saturn in Leo, Neptune in Aquarius will square.

Pluto/Scorpio is elimination. As my part in this drama, I am going to bring in Hel and all the forces of memory and wisdom in the next month and a half. A decision is being offered. I will do my best. I want Bill Winter to gain the seat as part of the process. he said some amazing things to me tonight.

I'm sending this out to the universe so we can eliminate the Plutonian decay and clear the way for new growth.

The nodes will exactly square the Pluto along with this, and Uranus will be turning direct. Awareness and new pathways.

This is a phenomenal concentration of enegies. The election is only a symbol of the situation, but the time is now.

15/9/06 9:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh please, tseka! Speak to the seals!

The copper lined boxes. They are here. How should we proceed in handling their contents?

15/9/06 9:36 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

Scorpio ruled by Pluto is dominating the time completely. Mercury retro, Venus, the sun, Jupiter and Mars will all be in Scorpio the first week in November. This is an incredible consolidation. Saturn in Leo, Neptune in Aquarius will square.

This looks to be an interesting time, yes?!

Your evening sounded more interesting than mine . . . i had to go help out at the Tour of Homes house for work. Good thing i have all those progressed planets in Capricorn to draw on - makes it easier to sound like a marketing/business person. Artistic person i do well . . . lots more experience!

Change is in the air!!! I'll have to post a link my oh so conservative Leo brother sent me to a site where there is this short quiz that identifies which general political group you belong to. I am a Liberal, no great surprise . . . I did get a laugh out of him when I told him I was part of that dreaded category of Liberal.

Here's the link:
http://typology.people-press.org/

15/9/06 11:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Good thing i have all those progressed planets in Capricorn to draw on - makes it easier to sound like a marketing/business person. Artistic person i do well

There's more of this forthcoming quite possibly.

16/9/06 1:35 AM  
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16/9/06 9:40 AM  
Anonymous Joe said...

You're very well-come, kj, and in good company, too.

jm, why yes, I take "Uranian" as benign for the simple reason that Uranus is the ruler of eccentricity, deviance, and originality.

16/9/06 10:24 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

::looking it up:: Hmmm. Oh, yeah, from the Greek word ouranos, "heaven".

Those locals don't know what they're in for.

16/9/06 10:40 AM  
Blogger Neith said...

Welcome, kj!!! You are in good company here . . . I, for one, am always ready to welcome another Aries into my life! I'm a Libra/with Lots of Scorpio so Aries is a natural complement for me . . . and there is a bunch of them in my family including my S/O. If you would not mind, please share your birth data with us. We would love to see your Scorpio's too . . . but only if you're both comfortable with that.

My initial response is you'll fit right in here . . . we all LOVE new & fascinating information!!!!! We also do a mean group chart analysis too. Please do drop by my blog, Neith.net (link on jm's home page). BTW, these great folks have been a god(goddess)send to me, too.

16/9/06 10:41 AM  
Blogger Neith said...

jm, why yes, I take "Uranian" as benign for the simple reason that Uranus is the ruler of eccentricity, deviance, and originality.

ROFL . . . Joe, you really need to read those Zohra Greenhalgh books, there is a character in them you would so enjoy!

16/9/06 10:45 AM  
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16/9/06 11:24 AM  
Blogger Neith said...

Birthdate: March 31, 1955
Time: (not sure, although I think it was around 7:30-7:40 in the morning)

Husband's Birthdate: November 7, 1952
Time: 1:54 pm


Place of birth?! :-) It will be interesting to see where your Ascendant falls with those different times . . .

16/9/06 11:38 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"you all are going to know things like what planet is over or under the horizon and if I even have a horizon... things I don't know and wouldn't understand if I did know."

:-) It's not that hard, actually.

Maybe just ask about where something is in your chart, and it will get pointed out to ya.

16/9/06 1:28 PM  
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16/9/06 1:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG in Heaven. Where to begin?

KJ you are incredible. I am so glad you've come. I'll be back in a tiny second.

16/9/06 1:53 PM  
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16/9/06 1:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

How deeply we are seen by others! I had no idea you knew of my driving to distraction sense of responsibility to the collective.



This is interesting. I've always thought we are unseen by others. But we are felt. Sensed. Most people don't have the time or interest to get to know one another deeply. This amazes me. It is so easy to get your spiritual nature and your angst concerning politics, yet you are out there. The others just whine about the people but you have always mentioned your aspirations as well. To me, you stand out in the crowd.

I came back to politics suddenly, and I, too, now have had too much. But we've found one another and there seems to be an opening for enlightened people right now. There is a calling and if we remember constantly who we really are, I think we can hack it a little. Just putting our ideas out here will help tremedously. Repetition of the good stuff not reiteration of the bad.

Great bio, kj.

Uranus is the ruler of eccentricity, deviance, and originality.

So deviance and originality go fist in glove!!!!!!

Kadimiros! Ya!

After all the posts about silence, I feel so loud here today. Barging in, rattling a mile a minute, not even offering food or drink.

Oh fer....!! You're a frippin Aries. You just got here and I know exactly how the Aries enthusiam works. Try to explain that to others, though.

It really doesn't matter who rules, who wins or loses what political race. We still are ourselves and we still have choice and freedom. I am particularly against politicians stealing my joy.

The stories are paramount to everyone here. people get to feeling that they should hold back, not say so much, not take up space, and impose.

Well to hell with that!!!

16/9/06 2:35 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I would love to ask a question Kad, but I don't even know what to ask. My concern is the stories that have settled to the bottom of the well while I've been politically active. I'm afraid I've lost them. I'm afraid I won't find the courage to write them, and will waste the gift.

What would a good question for that concern be, if I may ask? Would it be around a good time to begin pulling the stories up?"


See, you're actually smart there, doing that.

One way I think is that stories are like dreams. You tell them for yourself but also for others who may need to hear them. Questions asked are other people's questions, too, so we should feel heartened to ask.

Here is a story about dreams and community action.

I read about a community action organization, where the white volunteers were forced out when accused of condescension and unconscious racism. A lot of blame and anger ensued. The white volunteers were invited to a weekly training seminar called "Overcoming Racism". Perhaps the most important thing they did was to tell each other their dreams, and let the group play freely with the imagery. They wisely prefixed what they said with, "If it were my dream...", and then went on to bring up personal associations of thought and feeling to elements in the dream experiences. Sharing dreams rekindled the twin flames of compassion and hope. The story goes, "Nearly all the volunteers eventually went back to working with the mostly black community. Within a few weeks our organization was getting unsolicited testimonials from people in the community about the quality of the volunteers' work and their sensitivity."

On another level, the life you are living is also like a dream, and you can read it in many ways. As both teller and actor, you are free to reinterpret, and to change the past to make a new future.

When a story is broken by some unexpected turn, the individual despairs, wondering how to continue the lost narrative. Relationships break when two narratives no longer tell a shared story. Healing a story finds a way for the narrative to go forward, often by reinterpretation and reframing of events at higher/deeper/broader levels of understanding.

I believe that in being a creator, purity of will, degree of alignment with a higher purpose in creating, is related to karmic consequences, and that when your individual purpose is aligned with your higher self purpose, the way opens up.

The memory of dreams becomes more detailed when people explore them. The levels of psyche from whence they come respond to attention, and communicate back.

I think that you can invite the stories, be expectant without fear nor demand, and they will like magic come. That is really how real magic, if we want to call it that, works.

16/9/06 2:41 PM  
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16/9/06 2:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Words can't describe Kad's skill with dreams.

16/9/06 2:55 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Kadimiros! Ya!"

If Uranian is meant to suggest a "heavenly love", coming from an old word for heaven, then it occurred to me that the humourous phrase "when all heaven breaks loose!" (an inversion of the "hell" version) could be read with a Uranian slant. Uranus being the sudden break with the past and all. :-)

16/9/06 2:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Uranus is a sudden break from god knows what. ALSO, a sudden connection, which would be a break from the self.

"breaking loose" is a perfect phrase.

16/9/06 3:05 PM  
Blogger kj said...

...a break with the self... for union with the Self... is worth Uranus doing... whatever its doing.

(there might be a pun there or a bad joke, but it wasn't intended, really.)

16/9/06 3:08 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Oh, the possibilities!

The story could use a ceremony."


Yes. And you have daily moments to be free from subsaturn fear and anxiety, to have permission to believe, and that's when you connect/reconnect what is needed. Space between the cycling thoughts, for the Uranian flash of perception to enter in. Really, you know the way. You find it by feel.

16/9/06 3:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

One of the most fascinating ventures in life. Breaking with the self, seeking the other, and finding the self there.

16/9/06 3:12 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Words can't describe Kad's skill with dreams."

Aw, it was just that one time. :-) Thank you.

16/9/06 3:14 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Uranus is a sudden break from god knows what."

A sudden break from the loony bin, some have said. :-)

16/9/06 3:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Space between the cycling thoughts, for the Uranian flash of perception to enter in. Really, you know the way. You find it by feel.

It also finds you.

The space between is exactly it. The synapse. Uranus.

16/9/06 3:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

A sudden break from the loony bin, some have said. :-

That's it! I knew I was the sane one!

16/9/06 3:17 PM  
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16/9/06 3:26 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Uhhh...a whole ball of mucked up wax on that aforementioned political blog, kj.

16/9/06 3:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I do have to say that I think American politics is going through a sudden change. We'll see where it leads us. Or we lead it.

16/9/06 3:30 PM  
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16/9/06 3:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

A resounding NO! Not too cynical. Space is a fantastic idea. I'm doin it.

16/9/06 3:42 PM  
Blogger kj said...

Me too. :-)

And Fiona wants to say, thank the &*$#@ heavens and all the other universal things that fly around that you all know so much about like Uranus and Saturn and such that you offered a place to set while I stitch this Star Quilt.

16/9/06 3:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG!!!!!

A quilter! Wait till the others hear about this.

Neith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neith, next door, has a place called the The 21st century Knitting Circle.
You have so much in common.

Welcome again kj.

16/9/06 4:06 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

jm - Look at their charts!!!! You will NOT believe the synchronicity!! And it's no coincidence kj found her way here . . . BTW, Casey is into quilts too . . .

gotta run . . . too many things to do & too little time!! hugs to all!!

16/9/06 4:17 PM  
Blogger kj said...

um... Fiona, Bird Woman Gatekeeper quilts. I've haven't started yet. But I used to handsew! A place next door, you say? :-)

16/9/06 5:25 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"And yes, the dreams are coming back, after my requesting them too, three nights in a row now. The first one had to do with ghastly, ugly, icky skin on a body being sloughed off... I figured that was probably a good sign! LOL"

It has messages. Throwing off dying energies that have served their purposes, of course. And icky though the earthy process is, it gives birth to something new.

For example, a butterfly -- psyche emerging, or serpent wisdom.

16/9/06 5:42 PM  
Blogger kj said...

For example, a butterfly -- psyche emerging, or serpent wisdom.

Probably in this case, the serpent. The skin was *very* icky. Also, snakes are blind when shedding their skins, which fits.

(Although here in Missouri it is yellow butterfly season. Saw my first one the other day. At times in the past, they have come in waves. Beautiful.)

Hmmm... the serpent with new skin this season, going into winter- thin and close to the ground- might also be a way to approach the message.

Oh! To be thin-skinned! What a luxury that would be!

"Words can't describe Kad's skill with dreams." !!!

16/9/06 6:09 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

My picture for your issue is: You find a bird with an injured wing. You make a safe place, help it to heal, nourish it, giving it what it needs to grow and heal. Simple things. It sings, then flies away. One day, it comes back, and your grounds are visited ever after by many feathered children.

You are the healer, and the healed. You can feel the energies behind your stories. Maybe you can feel them also in your living life experience, in other forms, nourishing you.

16/9/06 6:15 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

...nourishing you. And vice versa.

16/9/06 6:20 PM  
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16/9/06 6:30 PM  
Blogger kj said...

Kad, your picture is just perfect.

That story was written here, in this house and is the last one that came from dreams. The anthology came out in late 2001.

And now we're back here, on this ground, five years later. Where the feathered children have been returning. I just didn't know they were still coming back.

I'm going to cry! An Aries! Crying! LOL

(I must bring black licorice for the magician!)

16/9/06 6:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yup. Kad and dreams.

These are amazing depictions kj. Beautiful and moving.

Tears from an Aries? We could be rich on those, they are so rare and precious.

16/9/06 7:13 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Then she opened her mouth and bits of turquoise fell out. And all the bells began to ring."

What a beautiful story/gift to the cosmos.

The turquoise from the mouth is also like an overflowing of spiritual truth/beauty from within. Art can be like that. The color probably has meaning for you.

I think of your words and images as energy patterns of sound and light in your consciousness. They can seed experiences for you, and attract fresh events. You've been doing it via this blog, else I would not have the little story picture to give you, so the magic came through you, too.

Telling stories is very important work. The stories that a people tell to themselves shapes them powerfully in many ways, and then the world.

Politicians tell stories, too, but your magic is of a different coloration.

16/9/06 7:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Different coloration indeed.

This synchronizes from one of my songs.

A lady came to me with diamonds
Stars in her hair
Rubies came out of her mouth when she spoke to me
And all of the answers were there


Any ideas on the rubies, Kad?

I'm curious about the turquoise.

16/9/06 7:45 PM  
Anonymous tseka said...

Not to mention that Grandma buried turquoise and crystal in the garden.

Gems scattered to find spontaneously?

16/9/06 7:52 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"How does your garden grow?"

16/9/06 7:53 PM  
Anonymous tseka said...

overgrown with daylilies...
sounds lovely to me. My attemp at a daylily garden ended in a zen stone one instead - which ended up with different treasures brought by a Raven.

16/9/06 8:13 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

That's nice. :-)

A lady came to me with diamonds
Stars in her hair


Well, this is how it would read to me, from my point of view on life. Someone else might find other things in it that I miss.

A crown of stars is an old image, of course. The queen of heaven, and heaven's light/wisdom.

Rubies came out of her mouth when she spoke to me

Rubies are red, so I think of passion, love of life and the richness of experience and relationships.

And all of the answers were there

Therefore, the divine (whether god or goddess) can only be experienced. And that is always happening through the individual's living experience, though she or he may be unconscious of it.

But it may rise to conscious realization (the answers), particularly through the agency of her gifts of passion and love.

More than words can, these connect us to the divine. Some answers come not in the form of words.

16/9/06 8:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Kad, you are so very talented.
Thank you.
I see exactly the experiential nature of this. The image of the lady was of extraordinary beauty hard to put into words.

16/9/06 8:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The part that delivers the most emotion when singing the song is

when she spoke to me

16/9/06 8:22 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

You are very welcome. You all are so very talented, too, I'm in awe. :-)

16/9/06 8:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Sigh.

16/9/06 8:28 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"The part that delivers the most emotion when singing the song is

when she spoke to me"

Yes...makes sense...when she connects with you.

16/9/06 8:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Of course.

But to tell you the truth, there is also something disturbing about rubies coming out of her mouth. Unnatural, and where onjects are supposed to go in.

16/9/06 8:40 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

LOL! The body cringes. But maybe it makes it a more powerful image.

16/9/06 9:01 PM  
Anonymous tseka said...

"You came,
full wings beating rain,
breaking casings, shells,
soft birth down fell away,
became fur; sleek,
black as ice
in the darkness,
warm, breathing.

"Then she opened her mouth and bits of turquoise fell out. And all the bells began to ring."


So, now i will tell you the NW Coast Indian story of Kolus. (i mentioned her before on Neith's blog in response to a vision of Joe's)
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YaKayalitnuhl was walking near Tekya, when he saw sitting on a rock a very large bird covered with soft down of dazzling whiteness. The tip of its hooked beak could just be seen in the midst of the thick down. He cried out, "Whatever you are, I tlugwala (to find a treasure; specifically, to obtain special powers and privileges from a spirit) you!" The bird threw back the feathers and skin from its head, revealing the head of a man, and spoke, "I am Kolas, yet i am a man, my name is Toqarlassaqiaq (born to be admired)! His face was steaming with heat, because of the covering of feathers. Soon the entire coat fell away and he stood forth with the full figure of a man.
(excerpt from Kwakiutl Art by Audrey Hawthorn)
The srory continues that Kolas goes home with the finder, and directs him to begin the "winter dances" which carry the unformed into being. The "dances" (stories) are from Kolus, he says, all of them come from the creatures of the sky.

These are also known as the Sky beings or Thunderbeings, Thunderbird is one...Kolus in other stories is depicted as bird/woman. She is both or either male, female as she chooses. And she is turquoise, (the masks) Thunder is also another way to evoke our ancestors in myth. Skybeings are supernatural tranformational figures, who enjoy becoming "human" or "bird" or other animal from time to time to accomplish some task.

16/9/06 9:03 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

A vision of mine?

17/9/06 10:36 AM  
Anonymous tseka said...

Not your vision Joe but one you offerered of the Elder who recognized the "twin being" aspect....Kolas symbolizes that.

17/9/06 12:42 PM  
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17/9/06 2:05 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What post kj?

17/9/06 2:14 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Oh Tseka, you mean the "two-spirit"?

17/9/06 5:59 PM  
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17/9/06 6:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

10-4 kj.

17/9/06 7:40 PM  
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18/9/06 5:21 AM  
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18/9/06 5:23 AM  
Blogger kj said...

also Neith's sewing circles...

You know I think this just might be the canyon where the Bird People live.

18/9/06 5:39 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

The "heavenly queen" in her aspect of Venus Urania.

More antecedent mythic images from the creative play of humankind. The forms and slants change over time; I would regard them from a creative perspective, not too literally. :-) I'm not sure they mean anything specially to me, but they have some intrigue. The first bit below is an astrological take.

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You know the myth of Venus being born out of the sea. There are actually two [some say four] Venuses. Venus-Urania and Venus-Pandemos. Venus-Urania was born from the myth of Cronus cutting off the testicles of Uranus and throwing them into the sea. We have the testicles of Uranus: manhood cut off, dropped into the feminine sea, Neptune, the collective unconscious, where we have the birth of Venus. In the painting, "The Birth of Venus", we get the moment that Venus has come up out of the sea on her shell, out of Neptune and the winds of the Zephyr and Cloris are being blown in from the sky. We get the symbol of Uranus and the Uranian energy coming in. This literally represents the moment that the god and the archetypal energy of Venus are about to step on to the earth. That love is coming to mankind.

* * *

The animals sacred to her, which are often mentioned as drawing her chariot or serving as her messengers, are the spar row, the dove, the swan, the swallow, and a bird called iynx. As Aphrodite Urania the tortoise, the symbol of domestic modesty and chastity, and as Aphrodite Pandemos the ram was sacred to her. When she was represented as the victorious goddess, she had the attributes of Ares, a helmet, a shield, a sword: or a lance, and an image of Victory in one hand.

18/9/06 3:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Kad this is amazing.

But first.
The rubies coming from her mouth are evidence of her ability to transform into human form and possibly the reason she transforms into human form. To show the ability we all have to take in the world, swallow it, and transform what we swallow into jewels of beauty and passion.

This is also amazing. The swallowing and transforming. This is it exactly. Spitting it back out with beauty and grace.

Kadimiros.
Venus/Urania.

I have a Venus/Uranus conjunction in a pivotal point of my chart. Very very powerful. This makes so much sense.

Aphrodite Urania the tortoise, the symbol of domestic modesty and chastity, and as Aphrodite Pandemos the ram was sacred to her. When she was represented as the victorious goddess, she had the attributes of Ares, a helmet, a shield, a sword: or a lance, and an image of Victory in one hand.

My love of the turtle, my Aries rising. Perfect combo of these two.

My love nature is unusual and I love these stories. The female heavenly queen in my psyche has male attributes and independence clothed in feminine grace.

18/9/06 3:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's beautiful to see the archetypes in each individual with even more variations. They color our responses and in turn our actions. I wonder how these get into the psyche in such a unique way in each person.

18/9/06 4:03 PM  
Blogger kj said...

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18/9/06 4:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think so, kj.

18/9/06 4:37 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I have a Venus/Uranus conjunction in a pivotal point of my chart. Very very powerful. This makes so much sense."

Well, I just checked and notice there has been a Venus-Uranus opposition lately. Wonder what that means.

I have observed that if two planets are in aspect in my natal chart, then their future aspects to each other resonate more strongly for me. Like a kind of biorhythm. This would be in addition to the usual approach of examining transiting points aspecting natal points. I have not really heard this described, although it may have been somewhere -- I have only dabbled at astrology in my youth.

18/9/06 5:48 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"My love of the turtle, my Aries rising. Perfect combo of these two."

Interestingly, the morning star and evening star, now known as the planet Venus, were once associated with an ancient goddess of love and war.

18/9/06 5:54 PM  
Anonymous jm said...

I have observed that if two planets are in aspect in my natal chart, then their future aspects to each other resonate more strongly for me. Like a kind of biorhythm.

Get back to you shortly on this one Kad. I think maybe we should elevate this thread.

18/9/06 6:18 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"this is amazing"

I had thought to pursue the crown of stars just a little bit further, teased by the memory of some old depictions of the goddess of the evening star.

I feel there are lines of exploration trailing off from every discussion, perhaps reflecting the nature of the cosmic holomovement, in which the macrocosm is hidden within the microcosm.

You know, I've long thought that a cut gemstone is a stunning symbol in itself, for a number of reasons.

Metaphorically speaking, when some of the light of consciousness shines out through a facet, then consciousness may identify with the single facet, believing itself separate from all other facets, only tangentially bordering a few others at its edges. This represents normal consciousness. But should light be directed inward, and the gem is sufficently clear of subconscious obscurations, then potentially all other facets may be seen hidden within, from within.

Every facet is integral to the whole, and they are specially placed to direct the path of light witin the stone, refracting and reflecting.

Beauty of a cut gem is determined mainly by brilliance, luster, fire and color. The first three depend on the cut of the stone.

18/9/06 6:26 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Get back to you shortly on this one Kad. I think maybe we should elevate this thread."

Okay. I don't know all that much about it. I just like to notice some features from a bird's eye view, and then I fly on to another area.

I have several projects due this week, and my busy season is starting, so please excuse if my postings are more sparing or intermittent.

18/9/06 6:49 PM  
Blogger jm said...

feel there are lines of exploration trailing off from every discussion, perhaps reflecting the nature of the cosmic holomovement

I do agree and unlike so many others I have found, I have the desire to keep going a long way into the forests. I can't help but want to see where the paths lead. And we know where that is.

18/9/06 7:36 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I am fascinated by gemstones and have studied the connection to consciousness.

The interesting thing to me is how an individual facet can almost shock the eye as it leaps out and penetrates sharply, fast, and brilliantly. This depends on the angle.

I think the separation of facets is the point as we are separated in life, and have to pay so much attention to the parts of the whole. This must have equal value to the perception of the whole, and the differentiation must be the reason for our birth into this dimension.

The jewel to me represents how beautiful the breakup is.

18/9/06 7:45 PM  
Blogger jm said...

When I look at a beautiful gem it triggers excitement beyond what the experience seems to be in reality. Especially diamonds and even rhinestones in the breakup of the colors of the spectrum. This is one of my most ecstatic experiences in life. As is a rainbow.

18/9/06 7:48 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

I wrote: "I have observed that if two planets are in aspect in my natal chart, then their future aspects to each other resonate more strongly for me. Like a kind of biorhythm."

Or wave harmonics. Your othertones. The opposition being an octave higher in frequency than the conjunction. The conjunction accompanied by higher harmonics, divisions by 2, 3, etc. Waves (sound, light, anything cyclical) and aspects (cycles of planets) viewed as mathematically similar. A whole 'nuther discussion.

I think that people have tried to find tones representing astrological conditions. But they would probably need to know what frequency to start with. Maybe that "lost chord" legend might help them. One wonders what a chart would sound like, as a complex waveform, or as a stringed musical instrument that could be played.

18/9/06 7:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Interesting that you should bring up the Venus/Uranus. I did end a long hard relationship last weekend and I didn't even think of this.

You are right.

One of the reasons I wanted to do our charts is because of how much I learn from the less schooled in astrology. I might need some advice as to when to post them. It's a very special momnet now and a shimmering jewel of an opportunity.

18/9/06 7:52 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"This must have equal value to the perception of the whole, and the differentiation must be the reason for our birth into this dimension."

Yes, exactly. :-)

18/9/06 7:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

One wonders what a chart would sound like, as a complex waveform, or as a stringed musical instrument that could be played.

What a thought.

It could very well be that the aspects resonate in different harmonics with each case.

In a piano there are absolutes and the harmonics I think are established. But the individula ear picks out ones before others. Harmonics are everything and give the real body to sound.
The aspects they are more abstract, so the harmonics are rather difficult to ascertain.
Good thoughts. A conjunction is all jammed up harmonically, oppositions have more space.

18/9/06 7:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Very very interesting thoughts. The conjunction meets, merges, swallows, wants to become whole, the same.
The opposition wants contrast, differentiation. Clarity of sound, etc.
The square...hmmmmm.

18/9/06 8:02 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Interesting that you should bring up the Venus/Uranus. I did end a long hard relationship last weekend and I didn't even think of this."

I have that natal Moon-Jupiter conjunction in Aquarius.

When transiting Jupiter roughly opposed natal Jupiter, and transiting Moon and transiting Saturn conjoined in Aquarius (returned to their natal sign and near natal Moon), I had visions and synchronicitous events triggered by the vision quest thing.

I dreamed of the Moon, Saturn, Io, Jupiter, and something about the Moon Princess wanting to separate from her fiance. She said she had new things to explore.

In waking life, I had been concered over my sister (first name Cynthia, second name Moon meaning "dream") who was going through a divorce.

And I dreamed about a bunch of other things, about integrity, finding life path and purpose, and more stuff I've probably forgotten. Jupiter wasn't always the loser in the visions, he was also a fiery force, sometimes awesome, sometimes beneficient. And there was a wise woman revealing the pattern of life, symbolized by a garden labyrinth. She said warmly, "They say it can't be done, but there is a way."

I'd guess that interesting aspect patterns are not uncommon, but it is not often that people use their conscious will to work with these energies and fully manifest the energies' potential.

18/9/06 8:20 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'd guess that interesting aspect patterns are not uncommon, but it is not often that people use their conscious will to work with these energies and fully manifest the energies' potential.

Exactly the point of astrology.

The conscious map adds a dimension of it's own. Then the person, especially through mythological knowledge, can perceive and feel a much larger experience. I can't imagine being without this dimension. The feeling of the myths, not just the intellectual understanding I think is a major key to the best use of astrology. You are there.

When we have transits to our Moon often they are connected to events with our mother and sisters. It's a way to see more clearly the inner changes.

A Moon in Aquarius will alway deal with separation in order to go to unique dimensions just for the individual. Then he can relate them to others. But there are many of these independent motions. It can be hard sometimes for a Moon, who wants to stay umbilically connected.

Beautiful story. Your Moon setup is a lot of telepathic and psychic connection with women (sister).

18/9/06 8:25 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"One of the reasons I wanted to do our charts is because of how much I learn from the less schooled in astrology."

I'm just a rebel in my head. ;-) I can inquire about the limits of astrology itself, and all systems of thought, as you know.

When a friend talked me into taking a class, I kind of resisted the astrology chart I was given. I was sure there was more to me than they smilingly assured me was there. After the course was over, they discovered that they used the wrong birthtime. They wrongly thought that I was an Aquarius rising, for one thing. They'd probably confused daylight saving with standard time on their newfangled computer with all the special buttons labeled with astrological glyphs. Charts printed out of the darn thing on a ticker tape.

18/9/06 8:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

can question the limits of astrology itself, and all systems of thought, as you know.

One must.

I don't even think of limits. It doesn't rule me. I use the chart as a fable or something like that to add richness to my life. I never predict.

It's interesting that you felt uneasy about the wrong chart.
I do go on the birth time. I can often tell what rising sign a person is.

I think you will find the analyses interesting. It's not really a belief thing once you get into it. It is neutral and we create what we want from it and thus re-create ourselves as we go.

18/9/06 8:37 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"When we have transits to our Moon often they are connected to events with our mother and sisters. It's a way to see more clearly the inner changes."

Well, one time, a clairvoyant said to me that I'd have much more difficulty being in touch with the feminine energy had I not had a sister. I said, Well, isn't having a mother enough? And she said, no, that my sibling was closer to the same level to me. (Although, in age, my sister is about seven years older than I.)

My mother has her Sun in Aquarius, but she is not emotionally free; I think the negative side of Saturn dominates her too much from its placement in her chart.

My sister is a double Capricorn, with Moon and Saturn in the Scorpio, 10th house, about 12 degrees apart. She went through a number of career paths, but she is a dentist now, and has particularly enjoyed dealing with children and special populations.

From childhood, our mother and my sister never did get along.

18/9/06 8:43 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Beautiful story. Your Moon setup is a lot of telepathic and psychic connection with women (sister)."

Some of the most important spiritual guides I've encountered are literally telepathic women.

18/9/06 8:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Very very interesting.

I think our siblings are the closest connection we have. We are the same combo of germ plasm, whereas our parents are not.

Astrologically, our sisters represent our own female image, indicated by both the Moon and Venus, maybe more Venus. They are very important.
Capricorn is teeth and many dentists have Cap in the chart. Excellent choice. I even like dentists.

It looks like your sister is an entity speaking to you about achievement and since you have Venus in the 10th, there is something about your feminine self that needs expression. She is one of these images. A successful women in a nonfemale path.

But the Moon/Saturn in Scorp is ultra feminine. All about female power. Bonding and merging. This is where it gets interesting. Your venus/Mars. she can easily have too much power over you, squeezing you in some way and restricting your freedom. Jealously is a poss. That's why the dream of leaving.

But this is exactly your story because your Moon/Jup in Aquarius SQUAURES SCORPIO.

So she is you and your challenges. She will be good or bad to you depending on the transits and lessons of the moment. The lessons of freedom and closeness. She is the closeness. Very easy for you to relate to. but also easy for her to control you. Both being Caps is fascinating. Vey strong and interesting people, both of you.

The end result I think would be an earned autonomy with deep trust.

18/9/06 8:59 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"One wonders what a chart would sound like, as a complex waveform, or as a stringed musical instrument that could be played."

"What a thought."


The living lyre, we are
struck and stricken
to heights and depths
awaken!

18/9/06 9:06 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Now that Neptune is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorp, could have been some moments in these lessons. Jupiter will be leaving Scorpio and things will be different. But all of our bonded relationships are getting scrutiny right now.

In time I'd love to hear some stories of these telepathic women.

One of mine was an Aquarian male and we had a complete telepathic relationship.

Yes. Neptune on your Moon/Jup. Idealized feminine. Goddesses in the least. An awareness of the subtle harmonics of your feminine internal entity. The poetess.

18/9/06 9:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The Neptune is mostly over but there will be one more retrograde coming back almost to your Moon, giving you time to internalize the change.

18/9/06 9:08 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The living lyre, we are
struck and stricken
to heights and depths
awaken!


I'M UP!!!!!!!

18/9/06 9:10 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

On the other hand, I've heard it defined as "an ancient instrument of torture." ;-)

18/9/06 9:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Could swing both ways!

18/9/06 9:13 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

That wasn't a set up, by the way. I just read that definition on the Internet a moment ago.

18/9/06 9:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

We are plucked!

18/9/06 9:18 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Ouch...ha ha.

...she can easily have too much power over you, squeezing you in some way and restricting your freedom. Jealousy is a poss....The end result I think would be an earned autonomy with deep trust.

She is definitely more driven and has some Type-A bossy tendencies. But fortunately she is not one-sided, and can have a sweet generous nature -- albeit she sometimes delights in the utilitarian submotive as reinforcing justification for some actions.

I think she envies some of my abilities, while everyone else is flabbergasted at how much she manages to accomplish.

As adults, we get on well enough, given enough space, and can be pretty helpful to each other.

18/9/06 9:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Your mother is your Aquarius, your sister, your Scorpio. So the bond started right away.

think she envies some of my abilities, while everyone else is flabbergasted at how much she manages to accomplish.

That's a lot of it. You have more freedom to be impractical, poetic, and spiritual. She is at the grindstone. Yet you are both caps. Yup. the whole thing of what achievement really is. And how it relates to success and recognition. She's another side of your coin.

But now with the Neptune, your dreamer is the leader.

18/9/06 9:41 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And Pisces rising. The most important factor. Back to the wizard vs the dentist. The physician vs. the metaphysician.

18/9/06 9:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

They don't issue certificates, seals of approval, and awards for magicians. And the pennies have to be turned into gold. Quite a challenge

18/9/06 9:47 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Pennies from heaven! Also known as "In God We Trust."

OED: "e. pennies from heaven: money acquired without effort or risk; unexpected benefits, esp. financial ones. Also (in sing.): a windfall, a godsend (rare)."

Angel gifts. Or, at least, alchemical silver.

"I was arranging our pathetic pile of pennies and dimes on the table and bemoaning our poverty when I was struck by a Heavenly inspiration. If you set a dime on top of a penny you'll notice that the dime sits perfectly within the ridge along the edge of the penny. It occurred to me that if you removed the ridge from the penny you'd end up with a copper colored dime. The importance of this discovery may be lost on the comfortable reader but in our desperate condition it was nothing short of alchemy. We dispatched one group to scour the floors around the vending machines and under the couch cushions for stray pennies and another to search for a metal file." ...

18/9/06 10:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL Kadi. Perfect.

I knew you had it.

Osmosis! I'm rich.

18/9/06 10:26 PM  
Blogger kj said...

So much here. And I'm not awake!

But should light be directed inward, and the gem is sufficently clear of subconscious obscurations, then potentially all other facets may be seen hidden within, from within.

What is art, creation, if not this?
Either for the dancer, or the dance.


I use the chart as a fable or something like that to add richness to my life.

I Ching, Runes, Tarot. Touchstones from which to bounce, or places to settle and breathe.


Every facet is integral to the whole, and they are specially placed to direct the path of light witin the stone, refracting and reflecting.

This is who we are:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060915.html

19/9/06 5:42 AM  
Blogger kj said...

More later...

19/9/06 5:44 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"This is who we are:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060915.html"


Daily pic? Mmmm...Cool star trails! :-)

19/9/06 6:28 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"That's why the dream of leaving."

There's something to that in that I remember sensing that there would be a general change in relationship to women. I don't recall a specific situation with my sister, except that I was providing more emotional support (Jupiter) to her while she was releasing her relationship with that Aries guy. It's interesting that her first name, Cynthia, comes from the name of an ancient goddess of the Moon.

Internally, there was an increase in both lunar and Jupiterian force, a little bit more shift over to Jupiter. It was a little worrying, feeling my internal energy structure suddenly rearranged in an instant. There was a sense of purification, and also increased creativity and sexual energy. I could feel odd, high speed, whirling sensations below my throat and in my head, and my intuition was heightened for a time.

19/9/06 7:01 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

So much here. And I'm not awake!

Not a prerequisite.... ;-)

19/9/06 7:04 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"She is one of these images. A successful women in a nonfemale path."

Some years after she was no longer married, she went back to school. Eventually, she applied to medical school. A professor tried to talk her out of going into dentistry, saying that it wasn't a great field to be in. He suggested a career in modeling; he had no idea that she was well past the age when that would make any sense. Ultimately, she went against the opinions she received from other people, and found fulfillment and a new marriage. But it took her quite a while to sort things out.

19/9/06 7:11 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Interesting that you should bring up the Venus/Uranus. I did end a long hard relationship last weekend and I didn't even think of this."

Maybe it works better when the natal aspects are conjunctions--maybe sensitizing the chart to harmonics/aspects related to the fundamental "tones". I never collected enough data points to be more definite about it.

19/9/06 7:18 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"What is art, creation, if not this?"

Yes. For the audience, art helps bring inner experiences/realities to conscious awareness. Some people won't like that, of course. :-)

19/9/06 7:22 AM  
Blogger kj said...

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19/9/06 7:41 AM  
Blogger kj said...

I like the image of the chart singing!

A friend of a friend put a poetry collection to music. I didn't quite get it, but didn't have the book in front of me to "hear."

19/9/06 7:43 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I like the image of the chart singing!"

Music of the spheres!

19/9/06 8:18 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"~~Because after all, if we look inward, we might discover chaos. @;-)"

Our inner Pisces? Some people believe they have to maintain rigid control, lest the conscious mind be overwhelmed and, I guess, fall back into the ground of being, mother Nature, from which it seemed to spring forth....Or it could be aliens.

They unconsciously project their internal discomfort outward, onto their external relationships. How the conscious personality governs its aspects and relates to the deeper levels of being is reflected in society and external systems such as government. Also, ecology and the environment.

19/9/06 8:21 AM  
Blogger jm said...

So much here. And I'm not awake!

Not a prerequisite.... ;-)


LOL!!

Maybe it works better when the natal aspects are conjunctions--maybe sensitizing the chart to harmonics/aspects related to the fundamental "tones". I never collected enough data points to be more definite about it.

As a result of our discussions I've taken a new look at conjunctions. I do think they work better. They are destined to work together so harmony must be found even as disparate as they can be.
The idea of harmonics exactly fits in with my new thinking. I'm going to pursue this further.

19/9/06 1:44 PM  
Blogger kj said...

Kad said: I think of your words and images as energy patterns of sound and light in your consciousness. They can seed experiences for you, and attract fresh events. You've been doing it via this blog, else I would not have the little story picture to give you, so the magic came through you, too.

I've been thinking about this a lot, words and images as energy patterns of sound and light in your consciousness

The first thing that comes to mind when reading those words is a star map...

23/9/06 6:43 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

An old image is of the stars being like jewels strung on a net of light. The Net of Indra.

Far away in the heavenly abode of the great god Indra, there is a wonderful net which has been hung by some cunning artificer in such a manner that it stretches out indefinitely in all directions. In accordance with the extravagant tastes of deities, the artificer has hung a single glittering jewel at the net's every node, and since the net itself is infinite in dimension, the jewels are infinite in number. There hang the jewels, glittering like stars of the first magnitude, a wonderful sight to behold. If we now arbitrarily select one of these jewels for inspection and look closely at it, we will discover that in its polished surface there are reflected all the other jewels in the net, infinite in number. Not only that, but each of the jewels reflected in this one jewel is also reflecting all the other jewels, so that the process of reflection is infinite.
The Avatamsaka Sutra
Francis H. Cook: Hua-Yen Buddhism : The Jewel Net of Indra 1977


Reflection becomes infinite.

It's one of the ancient metaphors for the nature of reality that suggest its vibrant holodynamic aspect.

Webs and veils are also excellent descriptors.

23/9/06 1:15 PM  

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