Tuesday, December 19, 2006

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Well, I'm sorta starting to get into the spirit. Could it be that I haven't been in the stores listening to Xmas songs? Am I missing something? I usually am. As long as it's not my keys.
I'm not even as miserable as I get on the winter solstice normally. I love the nights but I have my limits.

This is definitely a way out of the ordinary holiday season


Anonymous Joe said...

I feel the same way. December 19th?! Ack!

I wanted to carry the discussion you and Neith had in the previous entry about Cap reserve being a trait people wish they had more of, so they make fun or don't understand it. Again, something I had not considered before.

Also, I am planning to find out the time and location of my dad's birthday (Jan 17) as he is a Cap through and through, apparently. He's maddeningly hard to read or get close to, and I suspect it's both his Cap nature and his personal nuture that's made him this way.

19/12/06 4:18 AM  
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19/12/06 7:22 AM  
Blogger Pat Paquette said...

Joe, I have a couple of Cap friends, and I'd say it's not so much that I envy their reserve(I've got Mercury and Venus in Cap, after all), but that it disturbs me not to know what they're feeling. As I get to know them better, I know how deeply they feel and that they have a hard time talking about it. Pisces can be that way, too. And with my Pisces Moon, I pick up on a lot of stuff, but still, in a conversation, when I'm doing all the talking and emoting, and they're sitting there passively with no indication that anything is resonating, it's more work for me to connect with them. When you love someone, you're happy to do the work, but it would be nice sometimes to get some reciprocation -- if nothing else, to be acknowledged.

So if you've got friends who make an effort to understand you, do try to find a way to let them know how much you appreciate it.

19/12/06 11:54 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Get the birth info joe and we'll see. Even if you don't have a time.

19/12/06 1:41 PM  
Blogger Pat Paquette said...

OOOPS, sorry! I should have read that last thread entirely before responding. Joe, I thought you were referring to your Cap Moon.

So we're agreed on dealing with Caps!

I'd say, though, that your Cap Moon should make you especially capable of interacting with a Cap Sun. You've already got what you need.

Now, what *I* need obviously is some time off!

19/12/06 2:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Some astrologers think that we chose our parents and families carefully when we come into life so we can learn our lessons and make some progress. That's why so many traits are shared in the family line.

I got a Pisces father, but I have a Pisces 12th house, so I'm leaving this retreat approach to life eventually.

In your case, joe, you have the repeat in the Capricorn placements but the telling one is the Saturn in the first.

This indicates that you are moving away from the isolation ultimately, at the same time perfecting these Capricorn family traits, but only after you've established your OWN version of Saturn. I would guess that your father's extreme isolation is the spur to your advancement as you move beyond this, and you have. He won't change, but there is an entirely logical reason why you have him.

The more you break your isolation the more you'll understand him. And there's even a possibility that in time you will feel closer to him. More understanding will effect this. But first things first. Get yourself beyond yourself as much as you can. Saturn in the 1st is very hard. You're doing well.

Often our parents are examples of what we don't want to be entirely but they point the way to where we do want to go unconsciously. I understood this completely with my mother at the end of her life.

19/12/06 2:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So as a result of seeing the picture I was able to break from my mother rather than try to re-create her into what I wanted her to be. This, in fact, was what she was trying to get me to do all along.

With astrology you will be amazed at how clear it can be. It's extremely hard to break habits and individuate, but the charts are invaluable in helping this process.

Your South Node in Cancer is a clinging to the past and the family beyond what's necessary in this life. You've already mastered intimacy in the child/parent way. Dependence and wanting the perfect parent. You no longer need this. You are becoming the ultimate parental guide, yourself, to everyone this time around. Not in your father's mold, although in time you will probably see the parts that were good in helping you achieve this end.

The South Node in Cancer is leaving behind some of the emotional overreaction and excess sympathy/pity, forming relationship based on adult exchange.

19/12/06 2:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The more I look at it, the more interesting it gets. He is helping you break the South Node Cancer child need, and of course, it's painful. Not his conscious doing at all, but it could be yours.

The Sun in Scorpio says that you are naturally bonded emotionally with others and might not need to work on this. The Saturn in Gemini says that what you need to work on is speaking up, being heard, and and being understood and admired for your intellect and breadth of knowledge.

Saturn in Geminis often have parent(s) they can't communicate with. This, again, is the spur.

19/12/06 2:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And this brings to mind one of my most important dictums.

When troubled by others in relationship, the first place to look is in the self.

19/12/06 2:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And here, joe, is one more technical thing that is bringing the issue up now.

The parental axis is Virgo/Pisces in your chart. 6 degrees. The ruling planets, Mercury and Neptune are conjunct in the 7th house of partnership. 4 and 11 degrees. Very interesting. This has just been hit by the Mars/Jupiter in Sag so that's why it's on your mind.

The interesting thing is that the conflict comes to resolution with your partner. The enthusiam and fire of Sagittarius in the 7th are the antidotes to the coldness and aloofness.
Fascinating. Very close degrees.

19/12/06 2:55 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

As I get to know them better, I know how deeply they feel and that they have a hard time talking about it.

Bingo. But I have gotten waaaay better, in recent years, at letting the resonances play out on my face. :o)

19/12/06 6:25 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

The Saturn in Gemini says that what you need to work on is speaking up, being heard, and and being understood and admired for your intellect and breadth of knowledge.

Saturn in Geminis often have parent(s) they can't communicate with. This, again, is the spur.

Holy cow, jm... you are just utterly uncanny! :o) Right on the nose.

And you know what's interesting? I developed a stutter at some point in my mid-20's that's slowly disappearing. Probably more of that Gemini/Saturn thing.

19/12/06 6:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes, stuttering is common with Gem Saturns. Or hesitation in some way.

Saturn is the perfectionist that wants the words to be right. So a halting of expression is often the result. The end result is a great speaker.

19/12/06 9:36 PM  

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