Tuesday, February 27, 2007

A Saturn/Neptune Dream

My dream is that global violence continues to trend downward as it has been for the last two decades, and the world becomes war weary. At the same time, all the artists, mystics, poets, and assorted dreamers will influence the spiritual development of our species.

Other than that, I'd like to relax, sing, talk, play my keyboards, and enjoy the rest of my life.
And start my tap dance classes.
Illustration by Isabelle Brent

53 Comments:

Blogger Neith said...

Sounds like a very good dream to me! I have been giving this matter considerable thought . . . it's past time for the Arts to regain their rightful place in contributing to the well-being of the world we live in. We shall just have to turn our lights up brighter that's all!! :-)

27/2/07 2:44 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Excellent idea neith. Well put.

27/2/07 3:01 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Appropriately enough, the following three images appear to be a product of the current Saturn/Neptune opposition.
The dreamy blues of Neptune neatly bisected by the brisk bolt of reality from Saturn, perhaps? You tell me.

One

Two

Three

27/2/07 3:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG.

This one's completely different. And stunning. Rich. The color of the yolk. Beautiful blues.

You tell me.
The egg says it better than words.

27/2/07 3:43 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Thanks, jm. The blue next to the gold reminds me of Maxfield Parrish's trademark blue.

27/2/07 3:48 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The combination is brilliant. I'm going to look into this, as I use red, purple and gold in my costuming. I have some blue and indigo velvet, and I'm going to take a peek. Very inspiring.

The Leo Sun mixed with the Neptune blues. Also primary colors, which I find rich and satisfying. To the point.

27/2/07 3:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What I find interesting in the egg is how the golden Sun/yolk is in waves like the water. And the blues are more rigid in structure, and radiate outward. Great effect.

27/2/07 3:59 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Never thought of that, jm! I almost did the whole thing in warm colors, but then the blues seemed to carry the momentum.

Interesting how the stock market has stumbled today, with the opposition being exact(?).

27/2/07 4:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes! You are so right! Broken dreams in the material realm.

27/2/07 4:05 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Another interesting aspect of this egg is that the gold waves and the thin gold border on either side of it, were done about 6 months ago, but then I let the egg sit because I didn't know what to do with it. Getting back into the swing of it, I decided to "practice" on this one since I didn't care if the outcome was garbage.

The photos do not show it, but there are tiny gold specks on the white part of the shell, where the gold dye refused to come off completely.
More Neptunian blending, I suppose. :o)

27/2/07 4:06 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That's fascinating joe. Kad talks about these "mistakes" in his work that "work" so well. He's a Pisces rising, as you know. The beautiful flaws that add dimension. That's one of the amazing feats. To see just what imperfections work.

I decided to "practice" on this one since I didn't care if the outcome was garbage.

Might be the answer to the masterpiece.

27/2/07 4:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Last night on the keyboard, I was working with some fairly new tunes then went back to one I wrote over 30 years ago. I realized what a perfect statement it is, and how I've had the whole thing right all along.

I wonder if Neptune erases artificial, manufactured doubts. All the picky imperfections that really don't matter at all.

27/2/07 4:17 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

That would explain why I went back to an egg that had been sitting in the drying rack for ~6 months.

27/2/07 4:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I do a lot of that. The creation continues without us, I think , and then we catch up..:-)

27/2/07 4:33 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Beautiful Joe, very.

28/2/07 6:18 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Ooh. Gorgeous egg. Excellent design. :-)

28/2/07 11:33 AM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Thank you both very kindly. :o)

28/2/07 1:59 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

And thank you for sharing your art with us. :-)

28/2/07 2:12 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"The beautiful flaws that add dimension. That's one of the amazing feats. To see just what imperfections work."

Today's fun fact: A system that encodes more information has higher entropy.

28/2/07 2:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That would make sense. Only so much can be used. There must be a natural proportion of extraneous matter in all things. Choas is an order..:-)

The whole system must thrive on useful and apparently useless.

28/2/07 2:35 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

I ran across that formulation today while reading about something else. Maybe it is a public service message from Saturn and Neptune. :-)

The entropy correlates to the information -- it's not just along for the ride.

Subtracting entropy from a system tends to smooth out structure. Too much and it would be like smoothing all the grooves out on a vinyl record, thereby losing the audio recording.

Creating something requires an excess of energy. The universe gains in overall entropy as structure and forms appear in it.

The point before creation represents lowest entropy. "Heat death", if all the stars burn out and there are no more, would be high entropy.

The formation of a star represents a localized decrease in entropy (of the material from which the star is being formed), but an overall increase in entropy for the universe as a whole. The more stars there are in the sky, the more entropy there must be, because there is less free energy available.

28/2/07 3:34 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

This reminds me of something my friend Michael (the Sag with the NN Scorpio, if you remember) wrote on a little slate blackboard. I left it in the room he lived in because it's so profound (to me, anyway):

"Total comprehension can only be obtained momentarily, because the divine nature of life is in a constant, radical process of creation."

I do not know if it's his own or someone else's, but if the former, then he's a very insightful person.
Typical Sag, perhaps? :o)

28/2/07 3:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL!

Maybe it is a public service message from Saturn and Neptune. :-)

Subtracting entropy from a system tends to smooth out structure. Too much and it would be like smoothing all the grooves out on a vinyl record, thereby losing the audio recording.

Excellent, excellent,excellent!

The more stars there are in the sky, the more entropy there must be, because there is less free energy available.

This is a fantastic line of thought.

28/2/07 3:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Total comprehension can only be obtained momentarily, because the divine nature of life is in a constant, radical process of creation."

Typical advanced Sag.
Interesting friend.

28/2/07 4:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Maybe the entropy creates crevices, as in the vinyl, where the excess energy is stored for later creation.

28/2/07 4:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Or the ongoing chaos from which creation is thought to be birthed.

This is Neptune tuning in certainly. The beauty and necessity of disorder.

28/2/07 4:04 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Oh he is, jm, he is. :o) His return to his ordinary life, once Jupiter entered Sag, really left a void in this place.

28/2/07 4:12 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"...the divine nature of life is in a constant, radical process of creation."

Oh, that's very good. I must remember that one. People usually just tiptoe around the radical nature of existence. Mmhm.

That reminds me of the philosopher Whitehead's saying, "It is true that the defense of morals is the battle cry which best rallies stupidity against change. Perhaps countless ages ago respectable amoebae refused to migrate from ocean to dry land -- refusing in defense of morals." And the "pure conservative is fighting against the essence of the universe."

28/2/07 4:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

His return to his ordinary life, once Jupiter entered Sag, really left a void in this place.

Time to go up to even another level. I wonder who's next?

28/2/07 4:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

People usually just tiptoe around the radical nature of existence.

Heheh.
In their tiptoeing they plan to bomb the bejeesus out of the world. That's one way to deal with radical creation.

28/2/07 4:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Perhaps countless ages ago respectable amoebae refused to migrate from ocean to dry land -- refusing in defense of morals." And the "pure conservative is fighting against the essence of the universe."

Excellent. Excellent.

I do think, however, that the pure conservative is preventimg a complete spinout into radical nothingness.

28/2/07 4:32 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Hmm, how does that work? Actually, I think that extremes tend to neutralize each other, so perhaps we should not favor them overmuch.

Or, is reality already radical relative to nearly all human conception, and the labels we apply to apparently polarized people are really just minor differences between them?

28/2/07 4:42 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"This is Neptune tuning in certainly. The beauty and necessity of disorder."

Entropy usually gets a bad rap. Maybe it is the fear of death, when entropy overtakes the organism. In a set of novels I read, it's represented as a misguided, jealous god/goddess, the archenemy of the creator goddess.

It's conflated with structural disorder through analogy, but something could actually be disorderly with low entropy (e.g., glass molecules at very low temperature). From another perspective, entropy is essential to evolution.

In information theory, when the outcome of a situation is certain, the entropy said to be zero.

28/2/07 4:44 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Actually, I think that extremes tend to neutralize each other.

I think they do. but what purpose do they serve? A reminder to move back to the middle?

the labels we apply to apparently polarized people are really just minor differences between them?

I think so. I often also think that differences are exaggerated for purposes of individuality and identity, as in the case of twins.

This often happens temporarily and people gravitate back to a moderate approach.

I do think we are caught in confusion and these polarities are not what they seem.

28/2/07 4:48 PM  
Blogger jm said...

In information theory, when the outcome of a situation is certain, the entropy said to be zero.

Maybe it is the fear of death, when entropy overtakes the organism

It's the fear of life. Uncertainty. To me entropy is not useless chaos, but a natural necessary part of the creation of order.

28/2/07 4:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Interestingly, Uranus is associated with the original chaos, and he was one of the least talked about and understood gods. Negative associations.

The human mind must have difficulty with the concept for some reason, and when challenged, the human automatically thinks "negative".

28/2/07 4:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The thing to keep in mind with this Neptune is the NN in Pisces now, and the SN in Virgo. This favors entropy. I believe it's time to embrace it.

I sense a worldwide disorder at the moment that is not "righting" itself, and no one is in charge. This is always the case, but the illusion of organization dominates. Not at the moment, as Saturn comes up against a mighty disorder, and Virgo whimpers in the background.

28/2/07 5:01 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I think they do. but what purpose do they serve? A reminder to move back to the middle?"

"Balance isn't being stuck in the middle", I once heard somewhere. When learning to relax a muscle is confusing to a person learning finer bodily awareness, it may help to ask him to try tightening it first, then letting go.

I guess it's a basic kind of formation or structure, the division. The breaking down into components, followed by new synthesis and richer variations.

Like the astrologer's opposition, a higher purpose is served if we gain knowledge and awareness. When issues are dramatized for us, highlighted before us, somehow we understand them better and are better able to make choices that work for us creatively.

Wisdom, which comes from older words meaning to see, has something to do with perception, and it is a practical kind of knowledge, emerging from experiential reality.

28/2/07 5:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

When learning to relax a muscle is confusing to a person learning finer bodily awareness, it may help to ask him to try tightening it first, then letting go.

Very very true. good point.

Like the astrologer's opposition, a higher purpose is served if we gain knowledge and awareness. When issues are dramatized for us, highlighted before us, somehow we understand them better and are better able to make choices that work for us creatively.

very very true. Excellent point.
comparison and contrast. The way of life.

28/2/07 5:06 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"I sense a worldwide disorder at the moment that is not "righting" itself, and no one is in charge. This is always the case, but the illusion of organization dominates. Not at the moment, as Saturn comes up against a mighty disorder, and Virgo whimpers in the background."

LOL! Or up against a bigger order that appears to be disorder. People are having to admit, at least to themselves, that they can't control everything and everyone. Better to learn a little about negotiation and conflict resolution.

Strangely, I feel quite well, and I'm doing okay, in some ways perhaps better than before. But then I'm from that group with Uranus and Pluto in Virgo. Does that mean something, heh.

28/2/07 5:12 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"Interestingly, Uranus is associated with the original chaos, and he was one of the least talked about and understood gods. Negative associations."

There is naturally a breakdown of existing patterns before reintegration at a higher level of order. Can't complain too much. :-)

28/2/07 5:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Add a Pisces Rising to the mix..:-)

Yes on the Virgo. probably a temporary abandonment of the picky order, which could be a relief, with Pluto there.

Neptune square your Aquarius, too.

One thing to remember is the 8th house and Scorpio, with neptune, your ruler, there. This is regenerative power, so the "bigger order" prevails in its constant renewal, as the Virgo attempts to keep it in its "proper order".

let me know how you do it!

28/2/07 5:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There is naturally a breakdown of existing patterns before reintegration at a higher level of order.

There is a breakdown occurring continally. It's called life. Constant, constant reorganization.

You can see this clearly with babies and it is so funny. They start pushing things around as soon as they can control their hands, making some order impossible to perceive to the adults.
They move one object to another place seemingly at random. I've always wondered if they see an order in it, or are just exercising their perogatives.

28/2/07 5:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Another thing just dawned on me. I love these conversations.

I haven't been going to any political sites, but last night I visited a few to catch up. To my surprise, even the more sensible ones were back on their fear that a police state was coming to the USA. Fascist disctatorship ala Stalin.

Just as the opposition comes and the market dives to the depths.

It occurred to me that this was a statement of their fear of this entropy/chaos, coming to a head. As if they want this dictatorship in some form to bring order to their confused existences. I've always wondered why this fear. So they see the signs everywhere, longing for control.

But fear not, they'll get it when Pluto goes into Capricorn. And they won't even be able to smoke a cigarette for relief of stress.

28/2/07 5:32 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"To my surprise, even the more sensible ones were back on their fear that a police state was coming to the USA."

Hmm, I guess that could be one expression of Neptune-Saturn at this time. Fear tied to governance. Insufficient grounding. When we are grounded, we can deal better with the material realm.

"It occurred to me that this was a statement of their fear of this entropy/chaos, coming to a head. As if they want this dictatorship in some form to bring order to their confused existences."

Well, it helps them make sense of things. Maybe not the best sense.

It's also insecurity. I guess every person learns somewhere along the way how to be effective in personal life. To truly individuate. Then we don't feel so lacking in power and in self-determination.

Aversion to and avoiding of areas where the personality is challenged to grow won't get us there. The problems in the world are like evolutionary pressures.

28/2/07 6:03 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The problems in the world are like evolutionary pressures.

beautiful statement.
Not "like". They "are".

28/2/07 6:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Neptune-Saturn at this time. Fear tied to governance.

Simply and perfectly put.

Also, the inspired self-governance of some. Forgiving and ordered just enough.

28/2/07 6:13 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

'Not "like". They "are".'

Sometimes, one has to question how much we're still evolving! LOL!

28/2/07 6:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You're tellin' me!!!

28/2/07 6:22 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"...their fear that a police state was coming to the USA. Fascist disctatorship ala Stalin."

My current yoga reading says that delusion can be the most difficult thing for the afflicted to see through. Sometimes it is tied to a internal self-image or to external expectation that is idealized in an unrealistic way. Then, it explains, the capacity for reality-testing is diminished, putting the self continually at "War With Reality" one way or another.

Political affiliation is secondary to that.

28/2/07 7:51 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Oh, who can compare?

Tell me did you sail across the sun?
Did you make it to the Milky Way to see the lights all faded?
And that heaven is overrated?

Tell me, did you fall for a shooting star?
One without a permanent scar?
And did you miss me while you were looking at yourself out there?


           --Train, "Drops of Jupiter"

28/2/07 8:09 PM  
Blogger jm said...

delusion can be the most difficult thing for the afflicted to see through

Impossible. It's almost opaque.

Sometimes it is tied to a internal self-image

Exactly. The outer perceived reality is a projection. No doubt. Which is why I say that they really long for self-discipline. The "inner dictator"..:-)
Unfortunately, it's also a longing for punishment. Their fear and cowering is why we have the governments we do, though, so I wish they would get their punishment and have it done with, so we can move on.

putting the self continually at "War With Reality" one way or another

Another good one. Reality is probably less exciting.

28/2/07 9:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Guilt and desire for punishment are so difficult to handle. It's hard to know where to go to abolish it, if one wants to. The hard part for me is being involved with the collective need for abuse, which is daunting.

Sometimes I think if they paid attention to themselves, ate better food and less of it, set up healthy routines and stuck to them, and other behaviors like this, we'd have a start. Whatever induces self-esteem would be wonderful. So walking away from the punishment can also work. Not staring at the scene of the crime too long, especially since they can't do anything about it.
Politics start at home.

28/2/07 10:02 PM  

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