A Dream Interpretation
Astrid suggested that I have sweet dreams when I took my nap in my blood platelet, and sure enough, I did. I've had some of the best dream interpretations of my life from certain people in cyberspace, and now I need another one.
I was preparing to share a huge and gorgeous studio with some other artists. I was amazed and how beautiful the floor was, and what good condition it was in. The walls too were exceptional. At the end, however, I had some doubts, wondering if maybe I should get a smaller studio alone because of my music. The perplexing thing is that I can't remember if I was concerned about bothering them, or just feeling inhibited by their presence. Either way, it would have been an imposition, thinking they might prefer quiet. I was undecided at the end of the dream.Any Ideas?
posted by jm at 7:05 PM
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"I was preparing to share a huge and gorgeous studio with some other artists. I was amazed and how beautiful the floor was, and what good condition it was in. The walls too were exceptional. At the end, however, I had some doubts, wondering if maybe I should get a smaller studio alone because of my music. The perplexing thing is that I can't remember if I was concerned about bothering them, or just feeling inhibited by their presence. Either way, it would have been an imposition, thinking they might prefer quiet. I was undecided at the end of the dream."
jm, come out, come out, wherever you are. Let us dwell in the lustrous studio, coming and going as we please, but being there to support each other and creating a synergistic creative pulse. Music, more music, whenever the impulse is there...singing together or solo for our growth and pleasure. Painting, drawing, singing, writing, weaving, spinning, etc, etc, etc. We will feed ourselves on creativity and beautiful food whenever we choose.
This is heaven.
Astrid
PS, were there colors?
OMG!!!! Astrid! That is beautiful. I can't believe my good fortune in finding such articulate poetic people. I've been waitng a long time for this.
were there colors?
Great question.
Browns. Varying shades. Tiles and wood, highly polished. Beautiful geometric patterns, extending in arcs.
Earth, it looks like. Solidity, materialism, and artistic actualization.
I remember thinking it was more polished than a studio would normally be. That must indicate the professional polish that is more than ready to come. Wanting to get past the creative stage into the productive.
I feel that from this place, you have manifested to actualize you talent in physical reality of the earth vibration.
Astrid
The earth is beckoning. I still have to figure out how to incorporate people, as the dream said so clearly. I think from here, I must stay with the others and make my noise around them. It's the timidity and that freakin' South Node in the 7th that fears offending them.
SN begone!!!!!!!!!!
As above, so below.
Pooey. There is alway someone who finds themselves offended. They must be shrugged off, and you continue sharing your gift with pleasure, because it brings pleasure. It is those who are themselves that bring us all greatness as we witness them. Janis Joplin was one. Though she emulated Bessy Smith, she was like no contemorary in her own time. She is to be remembered and loved, at least by me.
Astrid
Pooey is right!
Pooey pooey pooey pooey pooey!
If it offends thee, shrug it off!
Sometimes perfect strangers step up to claim offense. I think they want attention, so when I come across such people, I graciously bow and thank them for teaching me what I did not know before they explained it to me....and then I move on.
Life is rich and those that find offense, just bring a little tang to the flavor. Keep on trekking.
Astrid
Say, did you all see neith's recipe for butterscotch pie?? Wonderful!!
Astrid
It's not the strangers as much as the ones who are supposed to love you.
Just gotta shrug off the moment in that case.
Life is rich and those that find offense, just bring a little tang to the flavor. Keep on trekking.
very well said.
It's my life lesson astrid. As soon as I open up and express myself, I expect the firing squad to come. It does, and I feel like I've done something wrong, so I pull it back in. I'm learning to keep it it outgoing. That's why I attract this reaction.
I have Saturn/Pluto in the 5th in Leo. I think I was murdered in a past life for expressing myself, because the trepidation doesn't fit the reality now.
I will learn to let all the chips fall and I will continue to express myself. I've just gotten started. With Pluto in the 5th it's bottomless.
"...the ones that love you.'
Isn't that the truth? I think the ones that love you may mean well, but demand what they think of as perfection, for you sake. :-/ Then there are those that love us and don't want to lose us. Very complicated. But how can an artist be their greateset if they get all tangled up in the opinions of everyone else? Impossible.
Keep on.
Astrid
"...I expect the firing squad to come. It does, and I feel like I've done something wrong, so I pull it back in. I'm learning to keep it it outgoing. "
What would happen if you stopped expecting them? Maybe they wouldn't show up. If you change the whole dynamic must change as well.
Look at the beauty of your blog jm. This is you.
Astrid
But how can an artist be their greateset if they get all tangled up in the opinions of everyone else? Impossible.
Truly impossible.
There's envy and jealousy to contend with, but that will be done. People can't help themselves.
Divorce from their opinions is paramount. Absolutely paramount.
What would happen if you stopped expecting them? Maybe they wouldn't show up. If you change the whole dynamic must change as well.
This must be done now.
Absolutely paramount! A following will develope if you stay true. Knowing the timing of astrology is a true gift in these things.
Astrid
Look at the beauty of your blog jm. This is you.
I know, dear astrid. And you helped me with this. That initial thrust you gave when you told me to keep putting it out. The way you expressed it penetrated.
Sharing studio space, an interesting question.
How does this mesh with your north node first?
The presentation, carrying the beauty of the north back to the south/7th -the audience that would find a place in just such a beautiful environment.
For me, my north node, the answer would be no. The influence of others is too penetrating, demanding. Even if i love them i want separation to work. My solitude is vital to my work.
My dream is of "croft" houses, small houses, simple on a bluff above the sea. Houses nestled in the wood or on the grassy pastures. A community of beloved, kindred, coming and going through the garden gate.
Oh jm, I can take absolutely no credit. I was simply telling the truth.
Astrid
Absolutely paramount! A following will develope if you stay true. Knowing the timing of astrology is a true gift in these things.
OMG, yes. The time is here with Pluto coming to square my Mars, ruling my Aries ASC. It's time for me to take my strength, my identity, my vigor, my fearlessness, my rage, my blood vitality, my talent, and put it out in the world completely, stopping for no one.
Time for me to touch and hold my full self.
My dream is of "croft" houses, small houses, simple on a bluff above the sea. Houses nestled in the wood or on the grassy pastures. A community of beloved, kindred, coming and going through the garden gate.
Beautiful.
Very very interesting assessment tseka. Really interesting.
I think you might be right. But how does that relate tomwhere I stand right now?
Sharing studio space, an interesting question
What does that mean?
OMG! OMG! I think I might have just gotten it!
Time for me to touch and hold my full self.
And so it is!!
Astrid
Tseka!!! Thank you dear one. Wise onne. Wise 1.
I think I understand.
My dream is of "croft" houses, small houses, simple on a bluff above the sea. Houses nestled in the wood or on the grassy pastures. A community of beloved, kindred, coming and going through the garden gate.
I'd like to repeat that.
And so it is!!
Would also find great pleasure in repeating that!
tseka is very wise. I always smile because of her.
Astrid
i left a message for Jazz Meera, hexagram 64 "before completion". The Bridge between the End and the beginning: hexagram 1 "the creative".
Something i have been contemplating.
I laugh because of her as well.
You too astrid. Between the both of you, I feel an artistic camraderie, an emotional bond, and age old knowlege mixed with exceptional insight, and psychic talent thrown in.
Other than that, you're both dull.
Oh poopoo you guys with the wise 1, this woman is constantly losing her shoes and her son and others would be pleased to set you straight!!!
Tseka!!! I just discovered that, and you know my love of the I Ching. I'm going to ponder this shortly.
The I Ching has been the guide of my life.
I considered myself a Taoist for many years, but now I am a Nowist!
Other than that, you're both dull.
Whew! Neptune was doing a number for a sec but saturn has control of the wheel again. We're safe.
All right, tell me o wise 1. What do shoes have to do with wisdom?
Poopoo, indeed.
Oh!! I love you both!
It's my dream time. I will dream of you!
Astrid
Ja 64 is very interesting as it matches wisdom in aphorism 64 of the Tao.
LOL!!
Safe and dull as can be.
Oh I'm so happy! I've stopped fidgeting!!!!!
You gals are tops.
Sweet dreams, you sweet little pickle!
Night Asrid, sweet dreams, don't let the bedbugs bite.
hmmm maybe you are right. shoes are irrelevant.
Really on the 64?
I love the concept of the last hexagram being "before".
What does the Taoist 64 say?
64 also adds up to 1. The beginning.
The I Ching never fails me.
One more thing. One of my favorite pictures of the concept of Tao was of two Chinese wise men who had both dipped their fingers into a bowl of vinager. One smiled and the other made a sour face but both tasted the same vinegar.
Keep on.
Astrid
Well, shoes are important if its winter in Colorado. but they have limited philosophical value.
Keep on is right! You need the vinegar for your pickleness.
64 in the Tao begins
Peace is easily maintained
Trouble is easily overcome before it starts.
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People usually fail when they are on the verge of success.
So give as much care to the end as to the beginning.
Then there will be no failure.
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He (the sage) brings men back to what they have lost.
He helps the ten thousand things find their own nature.
But refrains from action.
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Just as the bare trees are whole and beautiful in their structure, But would be complete with leaves and flowers.
(hel's story again- the bridge)
Trouble is easily overcome before it starts.
Ooooooohhhhhh. The deepest sigh you can imagine just emanated from me. Oh how I love this.
People usually fail when they are on the verge of success.
So give as much care to the end as to the beginning.
Then there will be no failure.
Oh oh oh oh oh. Oh wise 1.
He (the sage) brings men back to what they have lost.
He helps the ten thousand things find their own nature.
But refrains from action.
This is so beautiful. The action part is getting to somewhere deep in me. The sandstill. The ultimate in effectiveness. Holding it all together in the self. NN in the 1st.
This is wonderful. I'm so glad you brought this in tseka. It is more relevant than anything I've come across lately.
The caution on the bridge. Hel and her knowingness. The overcoming of trouble before it starts is incredibly apropos. This has been on my mind.
I'm am in entranced with Hel. She couldn't be that good, could she? She's almost like the answer to the male god dominance.
This is more than fascinating. I've always had a male protector as my image. But Hel is coming in more and more. How interesting if she could help guide me. Considering my name, it sure does make sense.
I like the male part of me, and I think I developed him through the years. Maybe it's time to marry them and have that much more power to draw upon.
An answer, for she is not Goddess but the joining of the two WHOLE parts of ourselves.
I do not align with those who wish to replace the patriarchy or the masculine god with a female version.
I have watched the women's movement of which i was an active part as a young woman move past equality to something else. A sense of entitlement. or perhaps being owed. Taking up the "man's role" did nothing to liberate us.
No value there for harmony.
The myths of Hel are very old like 10,000 years. The mounds and stone circles are hers. No wonder the Imperial Cult (Rome) and Christianity reduced her to Hell. Recognizing the power of union of our dual-self as the all healing act kinda cuts out a middleman godlike figure. From her culture i believe came the Veda and the tao. This was the root. The circumpolar north. As opposed to the masculine South.
I could not agree with you more. The sense of entitlement says it well. I never resonated with the woman's movement.
The exclusion, hatred, fear, attempt to dominate an entire half of the species is ludicrous. Women in power exclusively, are equally bad as men. It's a pipe dream to think that feminine power is the cure.
I don't fully understand why the human bunch is shortchanging itself by pitting one against the other and losing energy, when they could be united and obtaining exponential power.
I just don't get it. Unless the separation is the friction required for pro-creation.
Still, enough is too much.
The friction is good for manipulation,greed. War. Controlling resources. Disunion, confusion.
A big fat game.
In this instance i'm completely with your papa, enough is TOO much.
yeah.
It's got to start with us on an individual basis. The corruption in the human race is ongoing and nothing can be done by attacking it directly. The circle. Hel. Whole. Back to my concentric circle theory. Giving no energy to the corruption, but putting everything into health and wholeness. the integration has to start with the individual. And people like you can teach and lead.
The greed and war, etc, come from a lack within, so the only cure is finding the object of desire within the self.
Amazing. The wealth inside being bypassed like this.
i wrote something similar over at jazzrap
And tseka, this was an illuminating evening. All the work on the nodes and still, I go back to that 7th South. What is so amazing is your understanding. The dream is exactly this, and you got it. I am impressed and exceedingly glad that you stopped in to interpret. fast and to the point.
Thank you kindly.
I've got to check out the word at jazzrap!
Such a fruitful discourse tonight, and to think there is something awaiting at jazzrap.
No murder, no money, no theft.
Just abundance.
You have helped me so much JM to see the path more clearly, it helps a lot.
R's namnsdag is Klar. Clarity.
I stumbled into this great gift of friendship and not one of you lives closer than 1800 miles. Just a keystroke away.
I hear ya. This is something phenomenal. It's part of my growth as an artist and a total surprise. Here we can focus more, I think.
A keystroke, yes.
I feel like I've grown fast from your help and I think there is a process unfolding almost beyond our control, which is probably good.
I keep looking forward to the next act.
Clarity is a big one for me. I was going to be a photographer and one of the big pleasures is focusing.
The Neptun/Saturn is all about this, so now is the time to rev it up.
Something big is pushing forward. Looks like it's heading this way. This has been a great discussion. Not only the details, but the energy, focus, seriousness, and urgency. I saw more angles tonight, and the final one that had previously escaped me is now posted at jazzrap.
To add a little to your friends' many wonderful comments and insights:
"I was preparing to share a huge and gorgeous studio with some other artists."
You can already envision a stage wherein to perform, with its own spaciousness ("huge") or freedom, and that will be creatively stimulating ("some other artists") or bring you into contact with other people who are creative or appreciate creativity. They could be fellow professionals, or an audience, or both.
This is one representation of the "place", as Astrid said, that you have already been building for yourself. There are probably others, and at other, highly creative, levels of consciousness, we do build our experiences through fluid symbols.
"I was amazed and how beautiful the floor was, and what good condition it was in. The walls too were exceptional."
The appearance and condition of the floors are the quality of support that you want, the foundation on which you can stand as an individual who is also part of a larger movement, something bigger.
The walls can mean security, and also the firm boundaries of personality and material considerations within which creative activity can focus and (safely) "take place." (Creative types tend to cluster in societies that are neither too rigid nor too turbulent.) To "take place" or take up space is to happen or to manifest in space and time.
It suggests that the necessary boundaries of personality and character have been established to the craftsmanship and standards that please and comfort you. But they needn't be limiting. You understand that some kind of framework, stage or environment is needed to create an optimal context for creative interaction.
They are analogous to the artist's picture frame....They may offer an environment in which sound can reflect well, with all that may imply. Whereas light (vision, color, form, ego) tells us of the form and color of our environment because it is absorbed to some extent and usually indirectly received, sound like light also reflects from the environment but for humans tends to tell us more about its source and therefore to each of his or her own self.
"At the end, however, I had some doubts, wondering if maybe I should get a smaller studio alone because of my music. The perplexing thing is that I can't remember if I was concerned about bothering them, or just feeling inhibited by their presence. Either way, it would have been an imposition, thinking they might prefer quiet. I was undecided at the end of the dream."
The smaller studio seems to be a slightly ambiguous mix of concerns. It may be from parts of you that wonder about the loss of privacy, about the purity of art and the attitudes surrounding commercialization of love and passion, and about being appealing, having an appropriate audience, and also about the potential for conflict and criticism. How to deal with those things.
It is also the protector self stepping in to ensure that conditions are right for you and the gifts of spirit you've nourished. It is not necessary to struggle with it; it is better to respect it and negotiate. It can appear as a critical voice. One way to answer its questions is to use the power of attention to examine actual conditions sufficiently closely, to help satisfy that criteria are met. You can always mentally structure things in phases, incremental steps and measurable milestones. Think flexibly, act flexibly, and then like a tai chi master you can always sidestep, or step back to move forward again in another way. This is an aspect of mastery, and true confidence. There is more than one route to a goal, more than one path forward, and all detours are part of the sacred labyrinth in the journey to the mystical center.
The implied presence of other artists in the dream suggests a commonality of purpose and experience. Perhaps an invitation and opportunity to talk to the artists who have gone before you or who are traveling with you, and solicit their interest and feedback.
It can also be viewed as telling you of your creative development at this time. The literal performance out in the world is just one possible future expression of that.
Some bardic words may be apropos at this time. :-) From the playwright Shakespeare:
Yet here, Laertes! Aboard, aboard for shame!
The wind sits in the shoulder of your sail,
And you are stay'd for.
There ... my blessing with thee!
And these few precepts in thy memory
Look thou character. Give thy thoughts no tongue,
Nor any unproportion'd thought his act.
Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar.
Those friends thou hast, and their adoption tried,
Grapple them to thy soul with hoops of steel;
But do not dull thy palm with entertainment
Of each new-hatch'd, unfledg’d comrade. Beware
Of entrance to a quarrel but, being in,
Bear't that th' opposed may beware of thee.
Give every man thy ear, but few thy voice;
Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgement.
Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy,
But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy;
For the apparel oft proclaims the man;
And they in France of the best rank and station
Are of a most select and generous chief in that.
Neither a borrower, nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell; my blessing season this in thee!
Wise words from Master Shakespeare!
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It may be from parts of you that wonder about the loss of privacy
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My dream dream interpreter.
There is so much truth in this interpretation. I'm going to savor it, and of course, analyze it.
You are so right about the fears surrounding others, as I barter and negotiate.
This is absolutely wonderful. You can't imagine the support I feel, and this is new.
All three of you saw different angles, and all of them are useful to me at this delicate point in my life.
Astrid gives me the huge green light in self expression, and dealing with people from a position of power over myself. Simplicity. Just let it out.
Tseka's interpretation was uncanny in its specifics. I immediately knew what it meant in terms of the recent events.
The loss of privacy is one of my biggest fears. I've had it for so long and guard it like a hawk. It's more than just going out. It's exposing my inner self.
The returns are unknown, and you're right, kad, about the risk.
contact with other people who are creative or appreciate creativity. They could be fellow professionals, or an audience, or both.
Yes. Great thought. I've been playing for the wrong audiences up until now, and I need a more enlightened group, that has a genuine appreciation for quality and talent. I love that idea that the others artists were a general symbol of who I'm relating to now.
The floor..foundation. The walls, boundaries. Of course. I need the boundaries so much. Relates to tseka's input.
Good point about the size indicating space and freedom.
I'm getting a picture. The others are parts of myself, of course. They understand self expression, and now I think that the fear is my own self-criticism. While I need to isolate myself within the group, I also need the synergy.
You understand that some kind of framework, stage or environment is needed to create an optimal context for creative interaction.
OMG.
I so often think about the framing, and have always respected it's importance. The perfect "finish." The validation, encapturing and availability for exchange. Could that be part of the fear? The finished product?
But you're right, things can be altered along the way. Very very good thing to remember.
They may offer an environment in which sound can reflect well
The room and acoustics are paramount. The frame. Good acoustics can bring me more joy than almost anything else. Multiple ears and a good room.
potential for conflict and criticism
Don't know what I'm going to do about that. Play it by ear..:-)
like a tai chi master you can always sidestep, or step back to move forward again in another way. This is an aspect of mastery, and true confidence.
Yes. Plus being a Cancer crab.
Thank you all so much for this. It's what I think life and friendship are all about. If we don't nourish one another's growth, then what's the point? But when I come across such unusally generous people, my faith is aroused.
This is the best opportunity people-wise I have possibly ever encountered. To be able to share artistic struggle this way, and come up with solutions is a dream come true.
Despite any fears I have, and knowing my separateness, I'm ready to interact with cream of humanity, represented by you brilliant and loving embodiments right here. How did this happen?
It is also the protector self stepping in to ensure that conditions are right for you and the gifts of spirit you've nourished. It is not necessary to struggle with it; it is better to respect it and negotiate. It can appear as a critical voice. One way to answer its questions is to use the power of attention to examine actual conditions sufficiently closely, to help satisfy that criteria are met. You can always mentally structure things in phases, incremental steps and measurable milestones. Think flexibly, act flexibly, and then like a tai chi master you can always sidestep, or step back to move forward again in another way. This is an aspect of mastery, and true confidence. There is more than one route to a goal, more than one path forward, and all detours are part of the sacred labyrinth in the journey to the mystical center.
Oh my. This is just excellent.
Astrid
"Wise words from Master Shakespeare!"
And wonderful to read aloud, too, emphatically, with energy.
Can be a self-affirmation and blessing exercise!
The performance of acting is interesting because it is tuning to and channeling forces in a heightened way. We can try other personas on for size, like outfits or costumes. They are probably always part of the psyche, but gain prominence in our awareness through concentrated release. Almost like magic.
"Browns. Varying shades. Tiles and wood, highly polished. Beautiful geometric patterns, extending in arcs. Earth, it looks like. Solidity, materialism, and artistic actualization."
To me, the beautiful geometric patterns are decorative structure, still alive and expressive, inspired and inspiring with the playful spirit that delights to take form and then to transcend it.
The implied whole design communicates to the part of each of us that recognizes emergent gestalts, the "more than the sum of parts", a coordination or orchestration that somehow exceeds expectation. It brings us delight and hints at rapture. Pieces coming together in a harmonious way.
"Good point about the size indicating space and freedom."
It's creative expansion, psychological expansion; therefore, you working in an expanded way or influencing the world more.
"I'm getting a picture. The others are parts of myself, of course."
Yes, they especially are in dreams.
It's like an organism, interfacing with its environment, taking in some energy and giving out some, and reflecting or avoiding energy not suited to its purpose. Having done so successfully, transformation or metamorphosis could enter in, allowing the organism a broader realm to explore.
"How did this happen?"
You did it! You planted seeds, created, sent out invitations, and people came to visit.
You planted seeds, created, sent out invitations, and people came to visit.
That's it!! Those are the rules. Simple (sort of).
Astrid
Thanks, Astrid! :-)
Many times, people kind of know what they're about. The wonderful thing about being supportive is when it's a matter of describing it clearly back to people. Somehow, the fact that anyone else can see it, too, helps immeasurably.
Kadimiros, you are gifted is doing just that. You speak to me. You speak to the all. You express powerful images that stay.
Astrid
You beat me to it, Kad, only so much more eloquently. :o) This is indeed how it works.
Aw, thanks, joe and Astrid. It just goes round and round!
Kadimiros!! How wonderful. I do and do and do, and wait. Maybe it's just a matter of time. I still think this meeting has some magic involved.
Oh how I agree. Kadimiros, the magician, the wizard, the friend.
AND......
In keeping with our universal rhythm...tonight I had another big realization, and came here to read this exact thing in kad's post. I've been waiting for the right time to start my acting and tap dance classes, and I think it's almost here.
I said to my friend tonight, "When I get there, I probably will wonder how I could have lived without the acting groups." I know it's true.
Good reminder, kad.
The wonderful thing about being supportive is when it's a matter of describing it clearly back to people.
How wise.
We're supposed to be mirrors. We really don't want to be anyone else but ourselves, if we recognize this.
You planted seeds, created, sent out invitations, and people came to visit.
Isn't that what an entertainer does? Am I really doing it?
Many years ago, one of my enemies in an astrology group chimed in about my chart which was on the blackboard for analysis. she said, "THIS IS NOT THE CHART OF AN ENTERTAINER"
Needless to say, I was scared and heartbroken, carrying the memory with me, but always asking myself, "Well, then what the heck am I going to do with that Saturn/Pluto in Leo in the 5th house?"
Wrap it up and give it to a REAL entertainer?
Give it away? Well, Ringo already had a whole bunch of planets in Leo 5th, and Spielberg has Moon-Jupiter in Scorpio, Saturn-Pluto in Leo, and Sun opposition Uranus. So...I think you're stuck with it. Everybody else got theirs. It's dime-a-dozen out there.
LOL!!!!!!!
You are so funny. Warms my Leo cockles.
How do you know all these specs? Are you a secret astrologer?
Yeah, you could have been just another film maverick, heheh.
Well, sometimes I just expect and look for a better answer to something, whether it's from a random book, a chance meeting, a dream, or the Web. I don't have to know everything in detail, I just have to find it when I want it. It's like an extension of the creative energy, having the trust to move forward, the expectation that a solution can be found to the design problem.
I don't have to know everything in detail, I just have to find it when I want it.
You just described my education.
but you know a lot of astrological facts, so you must have a "want" for this information. Interesting to me that you don't have to string it up like the others.
The gestalt you mentioned, which I like very much. The otherpatterns that transcend the ordinary. I think you see a lot of these.
When in Rome, do as the Romans. :-) I'm interested in the hidden messages behind events. Astrology is a kind of language, a symbol system with its own rules and expressiveness. I don't try to make it tell me something that isn't clearly expressible given its design. I use abstract languages all the time when working with computer code, so it does not seem so difficult to pick up the basic terms and usage patterns. Maybe astrology is not too different from dream interpretation.
Maybe astrology is not too different from dream interpretation.
Well if so, then you would definitely be tops.
Did you teach yourself dream interpretation?
Probably everyone who's good at astrology has a different way of seeing, but few can get the whole picture. Your approach leans toward that.
For me, the messages in the chart are not so hidden, although I do see other patterns in the white empty space. I usually see some sort of bio in there.
There are clearly marked patterns and more abstract ones, and they all describe the situation.
You're right. It's probably a natural way of seeing that enables the best astrologers to discern the person in the chart, but it's not the norm.
If someone has a Moon in Aries, most would go into the textbook definition. It barely applies. the whole chart will tell how it applies to this person. I find most people eager to break it up, but not quite so able to synthesize. I wonder why. The first thing I do is look at the pattern as a whole. If you bypass this, I think it's hard to come back to it and see it so clearly.
So there has to be a departure from traditional learning, which is why I find the less schooled sometimes much better at it, and I long for their insights.
This could be the crux of modern thought and education and their inability to bring much knowledge to truly advance the species. maybe too much on the analysis side.
I love learning, but became very disinterested in formal education. Sometimes there are regrets when all the facts have been missed, but they seem to conflict with knowledge.
Maybe one should apply the facts as he goes. Some great teachers do this.
Let's take the Saturn/Neptune opposition which will be exact tomorrow.
Some astrologers are predicting a huge disaster. They insist that this always happens.
Other are absorbing the energies and trying to further their understanding, applying it to the unique present.
The best astrologers know that they know very little, so they use every opportunity to learn more.
"Did you teach yourself dream interpretation?"
I kept a dream journal for about two years during college. It was my habit in those days to wander through local shops and bookstores after classes, and several times I noticed that the key lecture of the day would be summarized in a few paragraphs of a seemingly unrelated book I picked up to browse. In one semester, I was studying shamanic writings in a literature course. Shamanism has a lot about the natural world bearing paranormal messages, and about traveling into alternate realities.
There can be qualities to some dreams that are difficult to express. Sometimes information feels telepathic, and the visual imagery is just a carrier or container. Some dreams are intended to convey messages to the conscious mind, and seem easier to interpret. Sometimes there are strong prescient elements which would escape the conscious mind unless it makes a point of bringing the memory of dreams along with it through the transition to wakefulness.
All of this familiarizes the mind with deeper layers of the psyche, so that they do not seem so foreign nor inaccessible. It makes the personality more secure. The knowing mind in dreams can neutralize dream threats, treat with mysterious dream figures and solicit information from nonverbal awareness. It learns to pay attention so that it can remember information clearly later, and it learns to distinguish between its own projections and what it receives.
Dream symbols convey multiple levels of meaning, so it is actually hard to go wrong as long as one is cognizant of the whole picture. However, the full dimensions may not be apparent until days later, and it helps a lot to have other people interpret them, too, to arrive at a fuller perspective.
"If someone has a Moon in Aries, most would go into the textbook definition. It barely applies."
I don't mind checking out a textbook, but I would have an inclination to mentally feel Aries, the quality of the fire and how it behaves, and picture the Moon at that time. Otherwise, how could one truly grasp it. I think astrologers should get a visceral feel for the energy using their intuitive and nonverbal faculties.
I feel an urge to at least glance at the aspect patterns and balance of the chart before looking at sign and house placements. I don't really try that hard to read sign and house placements. If I get an "aha" about something, that's a plus, and I assume that it has special relevance to the issues at hand. If I don't fully get something, I just say, Well, I don't know about that one, it's unfamiliar to me, but maybe I'll get it by osmosis.
Really, on the surface it's by happenstance when I bring up stuff like the funny story of the farm boy reading the dictionary. So then I can say to myself, All right, so that's an example of Saturn in Capricorn on the Ascendant (amongst other things). I just happened to be reading that story that day, because of C that happened because of B because of A. It was a fascinating sidebar to the topic of the day, but that's not something I had to manage consciously, or fully comprehend the astrology of, beforehand.
Everything dovetails all the time, but mostly people don't notice it. But if we pay attention and expect dialogue, the universe seems to communicate to us at a higher level of engagement. Dreams are a subset of reality, or the reality we know is a subset of a bigger reality that includes dreamlike or mental qualities.
I had a dream once where an owl said, "You are always dreaming more deeply, and you are always waking up more fully."
There is an analytical level which we must know. It's good to get the left-brained work, the linear research and data collecting, out of the way first. But then comes what they tried to teach in graphic design: to be alert to the serendipitous solutions to our design problems. Then we have a new synthesis, a design emerging, phoenix-like.
I don't mind checking out a textbook, but I would have an inclination to mentally feel Aries, the quality of the fire and how it behaves, and picture the Moon at that time.
That's how to do it. It's the impression. Then the articulation comes with that part of the knowledge. But the feel can't be bypassed. And I don't think it can be learned easily.
I once saw a tape on an interesting dream technique in therapy. The dreamer was asked when describing the dream to tell the therapist every detail as if she were an alien and was completely unfamiliar with the language. So, if there was a wall, for example, the therapist would say, "what is a wall?". And so it would go. The results were fascinating.
"But the feel can't be bypassed. And I don't think it can be learned easily."
I think many people have more than enough trouble clearly interpreting anything, let alone astrology. Confusion is rampant. :-)
Well-put. That's what I noticed since I was very young. I could see it in their eyes. That searching look.
But we seem to be wired that way for reasons. For the life of me, I can't see why this confusion is so rampant. I always had a hard time with experts because of this. Their confusion belied their authority.
The thing is, a chart works so easily to clarify. Like a guided meditation that sort of sorts the assorted things out!
Btw. I usually dream and remember a lot. But I haven't been lately. Why is that?
Well, you could look at whether anything has changed, externally and internally. Consider how you are feeling as you wake up, and if anything has changed.
It could be something minor, such as whether you are transitioning abruptly to waking consciousness, or if your sleep period changed from its usual duration or schedule. Tension, or waking to an alarm clock would make it difficult to remember dreams. It could be a change in general mood.
Also, if your attention is focused on tasks and things to do, or if you have committed to a new work schedule to which you must adhere, or personalities that take up too much of your energy, that all pulls you away from interior imagery and rhythms. Doesn't mean one can't have both, but there might be an adjustment or learning period to keep more than one ball in the air.
Depression and avoidance are sometimes implicated. It could also be that your energy is going into deeper levels of activity that don't translate readily into visual dream narratives as such. Dreaming is relatively near waking consciousness, they are translations, and you could be reworking things at a more fundamental level. Maybe your creative energy has been going somewhere else, or somewhen else.
Diet I don't know much about, but I've heard that B-complex is good to take if you're doing a lot of mental work, or creative activity. Some people claim it helps them remember dreams.
"The thing is, a chart works so easily to clarify. Like a guided meditation that sort of sorts the assorted things out!"
Must be a special state of mind we call astrology. :-)
Maybe your creative energy has been going somewhere else, or somewhen else.
This is happening.
I prefer not to remember as many as I did, and I find it to be a relief.
I'm thinking maybe it's because I'm gradually trying to get accustomed to the "real" world in terms of my creatvivity. It's translation. Maybe I'm leaving my dreamworld in a way. Bringing it into a more conscious manifestation. I'm communicating my fantasies much more than I was.
I'm sleeping about 1 or 2 hours less than I did. I'm sure this is a big part of it as most dreams occur in the last hour. So this must be some conscious desire. maybe to wake up a bit.
This is interesting. I thought about it but hadn't analyzed it like this.
Then.... to add to it, I had that dream the other day, and immediately brought it out to be shared, and Bam!..it was shared. Very unusual event.
Of course, I just asked; for that expert in cyberspace I knew of..:-).
That's also something new.
Reading the charts has always been a meditation for me. When I used to read for others, there would be a shine in their eyes that wasn't there before. I used to love that. As if there truly were a star connection. I think there is.
These things are trying to communicate with us, I feel, if we let them. Guidance, etc. The confusion prevents it. The imposition of misplaced will. Fear, ego fracturing, and all of that. It's a rock and a hard place. To let the defenses down is terrifying, yet that's when the guidance comes.
It's the same with past life recall, which I love when done seriously. It's not about the actual incarnations. It's what is reveals about our other selves now.
I once read that some schizophrenics have utterly boring dreams. Like, an entire dream could be that there was a featureless box on a bare table in an empty room. Everything bland, sterile, colorless. Hallucinations during the day, boring dreams lacking in color and action at night. Interesting.
"Then.... to add to it, I had that dream the other day, and immediately brought it out to be shared"
The important stuff can get through. :-) One way or another.
That makes sense to me. A person can only take so much fantasy..:-)
It IS interesting. Like a polar opposite. A mistake in wiring.
The important stuff always gets through. That's why I'm enjoying the respite.
I pay attention to repeats, and also if I remember them beyond the day. Some of them stay with me forever.
I used to have tons of tidal wave dreams, and I don't anymore. An occasional swimming pool one now.
I dreamt I had a liver transplant the other night. The liver is faith. It was connected to a specific event that just came up, requiring the full amount. Very amusing.
It's faith? That's intriguing. The liver is one of the few organs capable of dramatic regeneration. Maybe we should look at some of the others.
"Let's take the Saturn/Neptune opposition which will be exact tomorrow."
A change in the way something is done. A change or proposed change to existing structure, rule, regulation, the way something is habitually done, relating to transport, distribution, dissemination or flow of something. Or, if negative, something having a confused start or stalling. Scattered ideas going nowhere, concentrated force dissipated through inaction or obsessive patterns. Potential for disappointment, an arrangement or relationship dissolved.
That's pretty general, eh? Oh, well. Maybe nothing much will happen, heheh.
Maybe we should look at some of the others.
YES!!! One of my favorite favorite things.
The regeneration is incredible in the liver. And it's ability to handle poisons. Ruled by Jupiter.
I have a good liver with all my Jupiter and I ingest anything...all kinds of poisons, and never worry.
Pisces is like this too, co-ruled by Jupiter. Alcoholics have faith problems and thus the liver failures.
The spleen..ruled by what? I forgot.
It's clear as a bell. AA and all that God stuff as the cure. So perfect.
The lungs are exchange of ideas, and you'll find smokers who talk a lot but don't really breathe them in and out.
I usually don't take in too much crap from others' minds, but recently I did. Pneumonia came...drowning in other people's ideas. That's when I quit reading the other sites. It was preventing the expression of my own.
Or, maybe Saturn and Neptune is also about this, which I found in looking up Prometheus and the liver.
Hugo and Isabelle were quiet for a moment, and then Isabelle said, "So is that your purpose? Fixing things?"
Hugo thought about it. "I don't know," he said. "Maybe."
"Then what's my purpose?" wondered Isabelle.
"I don't know," said Hugo.
...
"It's so beautiful," said Isabelle. "It looks like the whole city is made out of stars."
"Sometimes I come up here at night, even when I'm not fixing the clocks, just to look at the city. I like to imagine that the world is one big machine. You know, machines never have any extra parts. They have the exact number and type of parts they need. So I figure if the entire world is a big machine, I have to be here for some reason. And that means you have to be here for some reason, too."
They watched the stars, and they saw the moon hanging high above them. The city sparkled below, and the only sound was the steady rhythmic pulse of the clock's machinery. Hugo remembered another movie he and his father had seen a few years earlier, where time stops in all of Paris, and everyone is frozen in their tracks. But the night watchman of the Eiffel Tower, and some passengers who land in an airplane, are mysteriously able to move around the silent city. What would that be like? Even if all the clocks in the station break down, thought Hugo, time won't stop. Not even if you really want it to.
Like now.
The Intricate, Cinematic World of 'Hugo Cabret'
I love the myth of Prometheus.
That is beautiful. Progression doesn't stop. Just the marking of it.
I think this is the source of faith. Feeling and knowing that the progression is happening automatically.
the only sound was the steady rhythmic pulse of the clock's machinery.
The heartbeat. The pulse. We know we're all right. For some reason people must fight it.
"Even if all the clocks in the station break down, thought Hugo, time won't stop. Not even if you really want it to."
Even if all the clocks in the world break down -- we continue.
Even if the world breaks down -- we continue.
Exactly... What does that make us? Time or timeless? :-)
Timeless, I wager. Temporarily timed.
So maybe the Saturn-Neptune opposition is bringing us awareness like that. Much nicer than whatever disasters a few people may be expecting.
Yes, I think it is.
The disasters are a way of marking time. Something to do. And a way to scare others, a favorite pastime.
This is much more pleasant. The thing that it brings to mind is how imprisoned they are by the structure. I can't imagine the Neptune really awakening hem, but I'm sure it's happening on some level.
Right now at the exact conjunction....nothing is happening. I think you're right. It's coming in. I don't expect anything to happen in the next days either.
I think Neptune is largely about this. Voids. Nothingness. Space. Timelessness. It will be interesting to see what unfolds. How hard they'll try to make IT happen.
Well, I feel that it is an opportunity for a shift of some kind. At least in awareness. The ambiguous is potential. But not necessarily something substantive yet.
If people really have a death grip on some worn, outmoded structure, it could be disconcerting to feel it weakening. They might feel a loss of continuity. But maybe it doesn't have to be like that. And that would be a big lesson.
"How hard they'll try to make IT happen."
Except nobody seems to know what to do. Ha. :-)
It will be learned by a few, and probably felt by many in varying degrees, as they rush around matching their endeavors with the clock as usual.
But there does seem to be a standstill in the air and this will be absorbed by all.
If people really have a death grip on some worn, outmoded structure, it could be disconcerting to feel it weakening
I do believe this is happening and has been for some time.
Another thing going on, especially in the last days, is the Leo search for self significance. Maybe this is why the drama has slowed in real time.
You are good at this, and of course, your presence now fits perfectly.
Some are able to turn their attention away from completely following the next guideline from someone else, and some have more difficulty. A leadership issue.
The magic is to have leaders but still know personal significance. Neptune is clouding the obvious and bringing in the subtle.
Except nobody seems to know what to do. Ha. :-)
Oh,man, they never do. Unless real disaster strikes. then survival kicks in and they get truly busy.
The confusion is the thing. It's the dominant factor I've seen in people all my life.
The clock and all their activities give them an illusion of clarity, but...well, you know.
It seems that the things that aren't confused are the ones that happen automatically, like breathing and heartbeat.
Except nobody seems to know what to do. Ha. :-)
That's the psychosis now. All the paranoia is misplaced since we seem to be in a relatively calm stretch in this country right now. The terror is disconnected. I think here is a sense of this at the moment.
Unles of course, the big D is coming right up..:-)
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