Tuesday, February 13, 2007

South Node in Aries or the First House

The South Node in Aries is a preoccupation with independence or dominance, resulting in loneliness that often seems impossible to erase, no matter how many relationships the natives get into and out of, or even stay in. There is a fear of exposing weakness and they push people away, only to find themselves wanting to be with them again. They want companionship but they undermine the commitment habitually. There is too much preoccupation with the self.

Me-ism. The problem with SN Aries is the reflection of themselves they see everywhere. Always about Me. But they've seen enough. They know themselves. And they know it's time to curtail this self-absorption and look at others as they appear and not as mirrors, or verifications of their own identities. They often come back to this lonely look at the self, unfulfilled. Even when they act like they are fascinated with the other, deep down they often are still looking at the Me. People sense it and separations result, sending the SN back to isolation.
The Exit. The SN Aries comes in, often bounding, but keeps a steady eye on the exit sign. Their independence is threatened by the indication of real relationship and the entrapment is the horror. Racing ahead too fast, and leaving them in the dust can also be a practice of this nodeholder.
Deep down they know they are kind and lovable, but often they end up appearing otherwise, or are on the receiving end of otherwise, to assure the escape back to the self. One foot already out the door when the shoe drops.


Anger and Conflict. Often a lot of it. It can manifest in many ways, or not overtly at all. Anger was often the tone in the family while growing up, even if unexpressed, and sometimes frustration with the selfish demands of a parent. Aries is the warrior and I think these people know the danger, but still respond to the battle cry, the excitement, even feeling they've battled enough. They would like to sheathe the sword.

Bravado. Sometimes the SN Aries goes overboard in proving muscularity, bravery, and the ability to take hard knocks and deal with anything. They would love to develop the gentle, the pliant, the accommodating, the aquiescent. They know this isn't weakness, but the SN pull makes it seem that way as they remember their age old skill at winning and conquering. Hurt or be hurt can also result, as the SN likes to prove it can bear the hardship with its toughness. The competetiveness of Aries is another road to this node's separateness. How they would truly love to relinquish the winning, top dog role and find equality and shared triumph.


The SN Aries is a master of strength and survival, full of vitality and life force, and firm in identity. They no longer need to prove this. The way it plays is entirely unique in each case, with all the accompanying factors. Next will be the North Node in Libra.

68 Comments:

Blogger Neith said...

My mom has her Sun in Libra exactly conjunct her NN . . . my folks have been married for 63 years. And yet I swear they spent most of that time bickering!! Since my mom is happily residing in a nursing home & my dad's at their home, both seem much happier, go figure! One of the reasons I put off marrying until I was in my 40's (NN in the 7th . . .) Annnnd my Moon is conjunct her Sun/NN. Families, ya gotta love it!!

This Mercury Rx is in my 3rd along w/Neptune, so the old mind is really clunking along! It's like it exacerbates my natal Mercury quincunx Uranus - flashes of total coherence followed by periods when I can't even form a complete sentence!! So apologies for erratic posting . . . :-) I am following the dialogues with great interest & lots of applause for jm's brilliance!!

13/2/07 9:03 AM  
Anonymous Juno Jones said...

Just taking a break and cruisin' by to see how it's all coming along...great series, jm, definitely one of the better explanations of the topic. I'm copying these for future reference. And the Edward Hopper painting is great!

Thanks, Take care all! Juno

13/2/07 10:11 AM  
Blogger Neith said...

(((((JUNO))))) Miss your lively presence around these parts! Hope all is well w/you & yours! Happy Valentines Day, sweetie!!! XOXOXO

13/2/07 11:42 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Neith, I'm so happy about your mother. I knew it was a good move. I think she's trying to help you in your marriage. Mothers always know these things. And they know who's good for us. She's knows she'll be gone and you'll need support.
Your situation is exactly the story. The undercurrent of hostility, often that never finds full release. the child absorbs all of it, and you, poor little thing with that Neptune, really took it in. Part of the fear of marriage. It runs so deep. It's different from others experiences with the phenomenally high divorce rate. Most just blame the other. But The SN Aries knows it's more.

Do you want to do your chart?

I expect you to appear and disappear with your 12th house planets. Retreat is a must. I lived with one. Three planets. So I know it well.
Amother thing is Jupiter and the mistake of believing he's so good. You know; Saturn bad, Jupiter good. Not true. In your case he's exacerbating your SN and causing connection problems. It's temporary.

Juno!!!!!! Hugs from me too. Such a treat to see your name.

13/2/07 1:27 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

Amother thing is Jupiter and the mistake of believing he's so good. You know; Saturn bad, Jupiter good. Not true. In your case he's exacerbating your SN and causing connection problems. It's temporary.

I hope so! Jupiter does move right along too. BTW, don't you have a nice Jupiter Return this year?! That will be a "kiss"!!!

I have to tell you that what you are offering us on the Nodes is dynamite material. Lots of head nodding up & down here. Did you have a chance to read my post on Sun/Chiron? I noted in several charts that theme is picked by the Nodes . . . almost eerie the way it works. Could it be some of us didn't get the message before & are now in for the advanced course, no holds barred?! :-)

13/2/07 1:40 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

That unhappy looking frog! Heheh. Whence came the song, "It ain't easy being green."

13/2/07 1:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Could it be some of us didn't get the message before & are now in for the advanced course, no holds barred?! :-)

We always miss a lot of the message. We can only take so much!

The thing I find, neith, is that later in life is when the stuff really sinks in and makes sense. The experience and self awareness make a huge difference.

I came close to refusing to read for young people, but then I discoverd that the older folks were equally in the dark, and I just gave up.

The nodes are just the whole mandala simplified. It's enjoyable to pick the chart apart. It never ceases to be stimulating and pleasurable, but as far as solving our problems and feeling better, the nodes are the key. And saturn.

The knowledge is a great gift to us. The way they are often ignored is revealing. How happy do people really want to be? Just read the daily headlines. I have a hard time living in a miserable world where people want to continue to suffer, but I was gifted with that Moon/Jupiter for a reason. So I'll do my best.
The gift of the nodes is also revealing. How fulfilled does life hope we'll be?

And hopefully, this discussion of the nodes will get through, even if at first it might not seem that way.

Sometimes I practically weep at the gorgeous grace and simplicity of the nodes and the psychological implications. How easy the truth can be in its revelation. Now getting it to work in the life, is another matter.

I've always loved psychology, and the chart is a blueprint of the psyche. The only one I know of. It's precious.

13/2/07 1:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL!!! The frog! You got it! I though that hapless creature really illustrated the problem. It definitely "ain't easy".
Purple is tough too, no matter how much I love the color!

13/2/07 2:01 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

Sometimes I practically weep at the gorgeous grace and simplicity of the nodes and the psychological implications. How easy the truth can be in its revelation. Now getting it to work in the life, is another matter.

So true, so true. Post 2nd Saturn Return is the time when the biological imperatives have largely faded away, so we are less easily diverted and can really focus on sorting through our "stuff". It's all part of the larger pattern!

Love the illustrations too! That little extra creative zip so dear to the hearts of all good zany Uranian folk . . . :-)

13/2/07 2:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Saturn Return is the time when the biological imperatives have largely faded away, so we are less easily diverted and can really focus on sorting through our "stuff".

This is one of your best statements, neith. So so so true. When the "biological imperatives" (great phrase!) departed, I kicked up my heels in liberation, lost my appetite for fat and other excesses, and started to express my dynamism, so important to this Aries Grand Fire Trine. That cycle was so dominating I cringed with all my Uranus through the years.

I do believe the second Saturn return is a great time of life. The difference from my first is like another universe. This time I was much closer to the bone in terms of my goals and how to get there. The bilogical imperatives and focus is a great great point.

I think the best times are coming.

The big difference between me and you and our opposite nodes, is that your Saturn expression is more one on one, while mine is more as a stage performer to the crowd. So your Saturn is trying to get a another to see your light, while mine is trying to get ME to see my light. And of course, the world. Or the universe, whichever comes first!
I shouldn't be putting any energy into one on one. It happens automatically. Your life has led up to one on one.

13/2/07 2:29 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

The big difference between me and you and our opposite nodes, is that your Saturn expression is more one on one, while mine is more as a stage performer to the crowd. So your Saturn is trying to get a another to see your light, while mine is trying to get ME to see my light. And of course, the world. Or the universe, whichever comes first!
I shouldn't be putting any energy into one on one. It happens automatically. Your life has led up to one on one.


The one on one theme is repeated over & over in my chart. And w/your Moon/Jup in Sag trine to Saturn - that says "larger than life performer" to me! I'm sure you've noted that very close trine from your NN to your MC . . . boss lady . . . :-)

It just occurred to me that trine from Saturn to Moon/Jupiter may have needed the energy boost it's getting w/Saturn Return. We tend to take trines & sextiles for granted as they don't demand attention as a rule.

13/2/07 2:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

We tend to take trines & sextiles for granted as they don't demand attention as a rule.

You don't know how big this statement is. This explains a lot of the negativity. How many times have you read an astro article that starts SQUARE and continues all the way through with how hard everything is and is going to be?

We MUST read trines. They are every bit as important. That's my contribution, having so many in my chart. To point out the fact that positive things are happening too, and they're just as satisfying!!!!
That's how we manage the pain and struggle.

OMG, does this drive me to.....????
It's habit. Reprogramming. They look at a chart and don't even see them. Maybe a sesquiquadrate instead that tells the real story. Trines, man. They're everywhere. Gifts. Oh oh oh how I wish strologers could see and know them. Use them.

Neith, that is amazing, speaking of trines. I completely forgot about that node trine in my Saturn in Leo block to the the "boss lady", and the square to Pluto. Thank you so much, now that Saturn is back on my Saturn, ruler of that MC. Pluto headed up. Really. I got a taste of my own criticism there!

13/2/07 3:11 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

I truly believe there is a very important clue in the NN/MC connection for you. Coupled w/the natural leadership of an Aries ASC . . . It's just a matter on convincing that retiring Cancer Sun to get out the door into the World! So much to consider as always with a chart. I never cease to be amazed at what's there.

13/2/07 3:20 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Neith, you just completely described my life in a few simple words. That's my crusade. to see the story in an uncomplicated way. Getting the Cancer out is it. The Aries has a world to conquer.

I'm going to absorb the node trine right now and make it work to achieve this. The arrow of my Moon/Jup at the tip of the kite point all the way out, and that's where my karma goes. Thank you so much for this invaluable insight and help. No one has noticed this before. I'm thrilled.

13/2/07 3:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think the Uranus on your IC now is triggering the whole Moon/Nep thing and the emotional connection through the mind with Uranus. Your words today have hit the spot. Beyond the safely-nursed mother to the rest of us.

13/2/07 3:30 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

I'm going to absorb the node trine right now and make it work to achieve this. The arrow of my Moon/Jup at the tip of the kite point all the way out, and that's where my karma goes.

The Earth energy of that trine is compatible with your water Sun too. This may a natural opening of the way, just one you may not have considered before. Just go for it!!

Good chat!! Very good for this one on one person . . .

13/2/07 3:34 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

I think the Uranus on your IC now is triggering the whole Moon/Nep thing and the emotional connection through the mind with Uranus.

Hah!! That transit is exact either today or tomorrow!!! Looovvee astrology!! :-)

13/2/07 3:36 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Astrology loves you too. It loves all things Uranian, with it's cool, dry, detached insight and brilliance.

This is the last pass of the exact hit. I bet you see the difference. Uranus will come back to 14 and station. It's always interesting to me when the retro comes that close but doesn't quite touch.

You started the conversation with relief regarding your mother. this is one result. I love Uranus for this. The truth that doesn't hurt so much viscerally.
My father died on an exact Uranus opposition to my Saturn. Big difference from the others.

13/2/07 3:50 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Good chat!! Very good for this one on one person . . .

OMG! Is it ever. Even for this one on many person, nodes be damned!

This is so good for me neith. This reminder about the only earth I have. Not only that, but the hard Pluto transits in Capricorn coming up will have this trine included. This is wonderful.

Earth to jm! Earth to jm!
Come in!!

13/2/07 3:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

BTW. I always enjoy these afternoon one-on-ones with you because of your North in Libra. It's no effort for me with my South, and your pure pleasure is the reward. The deal is your South giving me confidence. The passing of the baton, as I always say.

13/2/07 3:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I mean North in the 7th. There is a difference.

I'll take the opportunity to mention this. The node in the sign is the fundamental character. In the house, it's more the events and scenarios. I think the house placement is a little easier to work with.

13/2/07 3:58 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Whew! My pen finally gave out after taking all these notes. :o) I think I have writer's cramp now.

13/2/07 4:43 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Sigh, front row seats, i'm in heaven. re-reading to let it all sink in.

I thank all of you from my heart for this opportunity to learn.

13/2/07 4:52 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

I'll take the opportunity to mention this. The node in the sign is the fundamental character. In the house, it's more the events and scenarios. I think the house placement is a little easier to work with.

yes . . . on the drive home, the thought came to me that the solution for you to get out in the World will come easily & in such a way that you end wondering why the heck it didn't occur to you sooner.

The deal is your South giving me confidence. The passing of the baton, as I always say.

It's lovely, what can i say!! When my Mercury/Uranus is flowing, it's glowing . . . just is unpredictable with that 150 degree aspect. The teeth missing in the gear is how it seems sometimes. BTW, here's an off-the-wall fact - Einstein had his mercury quincunx to Uranus . . . not that I'm any where near that ballpark, 'grin'

13/2/07 4:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Notes? the old fashioned way..:-)
You'd better watch those digits! You'll need them for your eggs.

13/2/07 4:57 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Tseka, this is just the tiny start. Slow and steady, sinking gradually into the gray matter and beyond.

My first encounter with a good desciption of the nodes was a turning point in my life and the education has never stopped. It's remembered too.

Please speak up yay or nay on posting charts. I know mine is going up. And joe's of course.

LOL neith!!!!! Einstein! You were close today. I must say, the lapse has made conversation with you today that much more delicious. True to Scorpio. A little delayed gratification.

on the drive home, the thought came to me that the solution for you to get out in the World will come easily & in such a way that you end wondering why the heck it didn't occur to you sooner.

This is going front and center on the bulletin board of my mind. I love you.

13/2/07 5:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

BTW, I'm not much for minor aspects in my big picture view, but I do read quincunxes and love them. My Sun and Moon are in one, after all.

13/2/07 5:06 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

LOL neith!!!!! Einstein! You were close today. I must say, the lapse has made conversation with you today that much more delicious. True to Scorpio. A little delayed gratification.

Sometimes i think these blogosphere conversations are like one of those wonderful group dances where folks swirl around each other, meeting & parting and with ever changing partners. We come & go, bringing more ideas to share from our day to day lives - and take so much away to enrich those lives. At least so it seems to me . . . Thanks all . . . :-)

And, jm, I love you too . . . :-)

13/2/07 5:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Neith, what a beautiful comment.

Too bad it will be another 84 years till Uranus gets to your IC!

As a result of this, I have a refreshed view of the 4th house and the emotional depth. My Sun there can be a pain at times, although it's my basic happiness. You've reaquainted me with the value.

The folk dance of all times is here. What a thought.

13/2/07 5:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Incidentally. It's snowing in Denver.

13/2/07 5:31 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

When i slid off to sleep last night i was thinking about the nodes. Evey 18 months a new batch of folk with their south node suitcases full of comfortable "clothes" arrives on planet earth. All through school we associate with our kindred Node types. Society almost swaddles us in our node /sign as children it would seem. I'm wondering about that, would it re-enforce a south node codependency. Promote a certain kind of society? Make it harder for us to achieve liberation, transformation, consciousness that would take us away from the core values of a particular kind of society?

Random thoughts.

13/2/07 5:40 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Snow! Rain here.

A beautiful sunset, amethyst-gray clouds with soft pastels.

13/2/07 5:41 PM  
Anonymous sige said...

I never ever have the slightest clue what trines and squares and planets and houses and conjunctions and kites mean! Take notes? I'd be drawing pictures and doodles, hahaha!!!

13/2/07 5:42 PM  
Anonymous sige said...

quincunxes? @;-)

13/2/07 5:43 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

It would seem that the house placement is particularly instructive in understanding the nodes function in one's life.

Born in December, I was older than most of my classmates, one of the last of the Pisces/Virgo node in a group of Aquarius/Leos. hmmm. Maybe i should be very glad for the Aqu asc?

They were all dealing with SN on Pluto. hmmm again

13/2/07 5:48 PM  
Anonymous sige said...

I know I have a moon in Cancer and I love that Cancer. Then I found out I had a South Node in Cancer and oh yes, please, another blanket and book, I'm happy here, someone please bring me a cup of tea.

Reality, however, is alive and I am not immune.

So, Aries Sun jumps up and in a half an hour is applying for a job in person. Guess what? Not only did I get the job, but what I [i]thought[/i] I was going to have to give up-- taking over the printing aspects of the poetry review-- is something I'm probably going to be able to do on site at the job (newspaper that does outside printing).

So, I'll be learning the nuts and bolts business end of the paper, after working for one previously as a reporter and another one as an ad designer. (Plus I did proofreading, and typsetting.) Now, stuff with numbers which is scaring me to death but you know, gotta grow!

So, all I know about Cancer is somewhere along the line the Aries pushes her out the door and usually with unerring instinct and so fast that Cancer hasn't time to dig her heels in and scream, "But nooooo! I'm not done with my tea!"

13/2/07 5:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

All through school we associate with our kindred Node types. Society almost swaddles us in our node /sign as children it would seem. I'm wondering about that, would it re-enforce a south node codependency. Promote a certain kind of society?

Very interesting thought. It IS a bond with our classmates in particular who we share our lives with and probably reinforce the behavior. Maybe that's part of why It's so hard to shake.
The mitigating factor would be all the other people who influence us...parents, siblings with different nodes, spouses, our own children.

It's impossible to say if the limiting behavior is ingrained already or added to by the associations,
very very interesting idea.

13/2/07 5:55 PM  
Anonymous sige said...

Ah yes, interesting comment tseka, the group of newlies coming in. And the south node co-dependency. I know my Cancer side loves anyone who will enable her to stay cuddled and home and hermitly happy. Darn it all though, I've not found those people (except for my cats) and life experiences haven't lent themselves to developing that Cancer side anymore than just basic necessity. Which of course, I'm sure, is a good thing. ;-)

13/2/07 5:55 PM  
Anonymous sige said...

Off to eat a late supper. Fascinating discussion and much to think on. Thanks!

13/2/07 5:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That's also interesting tseka. The odd man out. But that goes right with your Aquarius rising who wants to be part of the group and not of it.

I agree that the house placement is the thing. Each set-up is entirely unique, so the belonging is probably illusive, as it is in general in society. Maybe these commonalities save us from too much alienation.

Really good things to think about.

Sige!!!!!Fantastic!!! Congratulations!
Lots to say about your nodes and it will come in handy. And yes, the Aries/Cancer. You got it down.

13/2/07 6:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Aries pushes her out the door and usually with unerring instinct and so fast that Cancer hasn't time to dig her heels in and scream, "But nooooo! I'm not done with my tea!"

Eggsactly. Well told.

13/2/07 6:01 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Sige, so glad to hear that your job is better than expected and you will not be giving up so much of what you love but finding a way to combine. This is such good news.

The Cats! oh man do we love 'em.
Nothing like a cat after a hard day. They know the value of relaxation, best teachers in the world.

13/2/07 6:03 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The split when the node changes sign would be significant following this thinking. That would prevent too much homogeny in each class. This has got my antennae wiggling. Thank you for this.

13/2/07 6:08 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Now it's got me to thinking how the classmates align. This is such an amazing part of social stratification. What a great study.

13/2/07 6:09 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I know my Cancer side loves anyone who will enable her to stay cuddled and home and hermitly happy.

Lots to say on this coming up.

13/2/07 6:11 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Does SN Cancer explain why I'm somewhat of a homebody? Yet I have this urge to get out and about from time to time, and my current job is definitely making me have to go places. Must be the NN speaking!

13/2/07 6:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That is so so interesting, I must say. A SN Virgo among the melodramatic egomaniacal SN Leos. I would love to hear about this as we do those nodes. I'm wondering if you felt eclipsed by all of them. They can be arrogant.

And the funy thing is, that those who are only months older than their classmates can seem like ancient wisemen.
Interesting combimation of factors.

13/2/07 6:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes on ALL of that joe. Just wait till Pluto gets there. Out you'll go.

13/2/07 6:20 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

The great thing about all this is that, like a good friendship, it's theoretically impossible for the conversation to run dry! :o)

13/2/07 6:33 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

"A SN Virgo among the melodramatic egomaniacal SN Leos. I would love to hear about this as we do those nodes. I'm wondering if you felt eclipsed by all of them. They can be arrogant."

How i recall it was more mature, not part of the group, but there are likely other reasons as well. I just remember how much more comfortable it was to hang with the older kids. Frequently i became friends with classmate's older siblings. The whole orientation was different. Then my brother's group came along with Capricorn / cancer and that was comfy too.

13/2/07 7:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The great thing about all this is that, like a good friendship, it's theoretically impossible for the conversation to run dry!

A deep well for certain.

Tseka, my mind is in the process of being blown.
The first nodal return is at 18 yrs old, just as we are leaving the school years. I never thought of this. It's opened a whole new vein.

And now your nodal return is here. I wonder if we remember at these times. This is so fascinating.

13/2/07 9:36 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Wow! How come I could not see this post all day yesterday? I missed the conversation... :-(

OK... off I go to read the post and ...51 !! comments...

14/2/07 5:43 AM  
Blogger Jane said...

Wow! Goldmine in here!

Let's see if I can do this in bite-size...

Please speak up yay or nay on posting charts. I know mine is going up. And joe's of course.

Yes, by all means, post mine.

14/2/07 6:50 AM  
Blogger Jane said...

Great article on SN in Aries/1H, jm! Well done!

I'm gonna let it percolate before I respond, ok?

14/2/07 6:53 AM  
Blogger Jane said...

Like Neith, I am very much a one-on-one person (loaded Libra and 7H, etc.).

Like you jm, however, I am also at a point of needing to find my way (back, in my case) into the world. (Amongst other things, current Pluto transit through my 11th house.)

And like Tseka, I have the odd man out thing going (Aq rising here too, etc.).

14/2/07 7:02 AM  
Blogger Jane said...

I find the whole classmate/'kindred node' theme interesting. Will have to look into it some more.

What I can say at the moment is that, unlike Tseka, I was always the youngest of the class. I think I was actually under the cutoff date for admission.

Yet, I was always 'ahead' of the class, way ahead, and by the time I reached high school, I was taking classes one and two grades 'ahead'.

I also always, from the tenderest age, hung out with older kids.

All my life partners have also been significantly older than me.

I always feel like a fish out of water within my own age group. Always have.

So I'm looking forward to putting all this in context in terms of 'kindred node groups'...

14/2/07 7:12 AM  
Blogger Jane said...

And re: 12th house people who disappear... let's not talk about that on this special day, shall we? ~heavy heart~ :-(

I am learning all about here-gone-here-gone 12H/Nep/Pisc lovers this year, alas... :-(

14/2/07 7:18 AM  
Blogger Jane said...

jm, I agree with you about the need to pay more attention to trines and sextiles.

It's been on my list of Things To Start Doing, so thanks for the reminder and reinforcement! :-)

14/2/07 7:22 AM  
Blogger jm said...

And like Tseka, I have the odd man out thing going (Aq rising here too, etc.).

This is very interesting with Aquarius. I think this happens a lot with schoolmates. Feeling different. Later, I think the ASC gets more comfortable.

Jane, I got all kinds of differenct chart results..Aquarius??? Would you e-mail me the one you use? I uses Koch houses, and this changes the intercepts.

That's common with Aquarius. Extremely different age groups or class and origins. I think the difference might be that Aquarius has a natural urge to relate to different groups, while some of the others ignore them, and try to be more homogeneous.

14/2/07 2:03 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Amongst other things, current Pluto transit through my 11th house.)

Yes. Similar to my Pluto opposite Uranus now, ruling my 11th and the collective. I'm glad you reminded me. Sometimes it gets SN Scorpio problematic, but it should work itself out.

Actually quite interesting. I always think our conflicts are stemming from our own psyches, so that's where the solution is. I've worked through the years with learning to ignore some of the SN taunts. It's interesting to note what that success depends on.

14/2/07 2:12 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

JM, I use Placidus, which I run off of astrodienst (astro.com). I'll email you one...

14/2/07 2:29 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Later, I think the ASC gets more comfortable.

It's starting to... this is very recent for me, and still very much 'in the making'...

Some specific issues there, on which I have made slow but steady and determined progress, of which I am beamingly proud! :-)

14/2/07 2:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The ASC is a major subject for me, so I'm interested in your experience jane. Be back shortly to see what you have to say.

This has been an ongoing study like the nodes. Even though you have an air Sun and ASC, they are entirely different in manifestaion. I also have studied the Cancer/Aquarius combination, as it interests me particularly.

14/2/07 2:41 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Gosh, jm, as much as I am a person of the ~written~ word, these conversations are when I wish we could be sitting together ~in person~, with our charts spread out before us, and verbally go over this and that and that and THAT and... :-D Because there is so much, and none of it stands alone, it all weaves together in a complex web...

But we'll cover what we can with this ~wonderful~ medium, the Internet! I can't conceive of my life without it!

Also... we have all eternity in front of us... I need to keep reminding myself of that... :-)

14/2/07 2:53 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

And I'm glad to have found a Cancer/Aquarius connoisseur as that is an area of lifelong 'concern' for me.

(Wait till I start telling you!!!)

("Oh no! Here I go again!!" Jane cries to herself. "Run, Jane, run!! Fast!!")

:-D

14/2/07 2:57 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Koch... Placidus... hmm... ok... this is gonna be interesting...

Let me go run your chart with Koch houses and have a fresh look...

Adds a whole new twist to synastry, which I'm not sure how to deal with...

I mean, I realize I can run both charts under both house systems, blah blah blah...

But I'm used to thinking of my universe in terms of Placidus and you yours in terms of Koch... and I have never quite known what to make of the whole house issue.

14/2/07 3:27 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Found this easy to understand explanation of house systems in case any other newbies are interested:

http://www.elysian.co.uk/astrologyhousesystems.htm

14/2/07 5:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

All the house systems are flawed and some work better in different locations. This probably contributes to the less than perfect accuracy of interpretation.

I'm loose with planets on the cusps, but in your own chart, you can usually figure it our by events in your life.

There's enough accuracy overall, I find, that this can be absorbed.

14/2/07 9:24 PM  

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