The Passage
The end of the Sun's journey through Cancer is especially significant for me as a Cancer with Saturn in Leo in the fifth house. The Sun rules Leo so my life has been teaching me how to use my vast body of feeling in my expression as an artist and a person. Now that Saturn has just returned, I don't think I've ever been more cognizant of this reality. Since the sun rules Leo and the moon, Cancer, the combination is the primordial marriage of the conscious and the unconscious ... the solar and the lunar. That's it. All I gotta do. Get them to the alter. We talked earlier about the hurts connected with Cancer and they are necessary for expression of experience others can understand. They give the solar ebullience the cool and dark that complete the sphere. The wounding is the only way to release these mysterious universal feelings, the powerful longings, the plaintive pinings of the imagination. Many poets, musicians, and writers, have potent moons in their charts. While the sun illuminates the riches life offers, the moon hides them and makes us long and search for things we wonder if we'll ever have. The part of fulfillment that eludes us, yet fills us to the brim with unnamed sensations at times. Sensations that no tangibles can match. Yes. I know now more than ever the strength of this marriage between the solar and lunar forces. So as I take my Cancer self across the bridge into Leo today, I will do so with complete commitment to my Cancer Sun, trying my best to combine the depths of feeling with the exuberant expressive joy of self through the grandeur of Leo.
Welcome Sun in Leo. Photo: Paul Rocheleau. Illustration: Loretta Krup
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this bridge is a profound image. all of a sudden it seems like many of the things you have been discussing here are about this bridge - the current lunation passage, moon/uranus, the movement of saturn thru the 12 th and into the 1 st - and the sun moving from Cancer into Leo - in some ways - all about the same thing. illuminating the bridges, thanks !
The part of fulfillment that eludes us, yet fills us to the brim with unnamed sensations at times. Sensations that no tangibles can match.
That's pretty profound, jm! I find this true for me, as well, albeit in a slightly different way.
Don, I'm getting this image a lot lately and I think it's also connected with the pssage of Pluto through the center of our galaxy and the sign of Sagittarius, this country's rising sign.
I'm developing a theory about the transition from Scorpio to Sagittarius as being the most significant one in the wheel and partly why I think these times have a special feeling about them, Sagittarius being the bridge between man and the cosmos.
This is interesting in your case, being a Scorpio rising, and an advanced one. I'm beginning to wonder if all Scorpios have some of this. It's particulary interesting in your chart since Jupiter, the ruler of Sagittarius is the only planet below the horizon. In the 3rd house. Something about your communication have added weight and authority, being in Capricorn.
Personally, there is no doubt that I'm in the midst of a crosssing. I'm still on the bridge and my life's real aim, the NN in Taurus, is teaching me how to enjoy each moment. Could be why I'm collecting this series of beautiful bridge images.
You always get me to thinking. Thanks, don. And I think just today I've come to a slowing down point. The bridge above is long and beautiful. The in-between could be the best part.
I find this true for me, as well, albeit in a slightly different way.
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Here's a little more on this.
there is so much intensity, push-pull, and often agony in Plutonian relationships and transits through the 8th. It's the last depot of interpersonal bonding, while the desire to move on alone is appearing along with a new form of relating in a much more expansive way. Very very different and much preparation is required.
This is especially true in your case, don, with the Libra stellium and the south node in the 12th. This is very interesting to me, and could be why all the Uranian energy in your chart, which is intense.
*Aquarius IC
*Uranus in Cancer trine ASC, very close and ruling the 4th
*Sun-Saturn in the 11th
No wonder you're so interested in Moon-Uranus.
Developing freedom within the bonds of Scorpio. Relating more and more to the group.
I'm getting enthused about developing this new theory. I've never heard it mentioned before so it's wide open.
Hi jm, I have this burning astrological question on my heart I wonder you would help me with. My sister is coming to visit and maybe your answer can bring some practical solution to this issue. I´ve been trying to figure it out, but I think I get stuck.
My mother´s NN is in Capricorn 8H, SN in Cancer, my sister has her NN in Cancer 7H, SN in Capricorn, mine if you remember is NN Taurus 5H and SN Scorpio. All upside down!
What is the best way for my sister and I to “nourish” or treat my mother? In the long run I think it just will be the distance between us that will solve the issue again, but my mother got sick a few years ago and I had to return home to take care of her and this huge business mess too. I have pulled back from her a lot emotionally because she gets so worried about everything, over mothering in some areas, real cold yet with other things. It is difficult because if I don´t take care of her health to some degree, she can quickly get some real bad symptoms and that is even more heavy to handle. My sister I feel, is the one who suffers more under it, maybe, and through loving her, her way, just helps her get stuck more in her SN Cancer, her own NN. We are all real close and beyond our own blind spots and dysfunctional patterns there is a great love between us, that is why I think it has been so difficult. My mother´s moon is at 1º Capricorn, I hope Pluto will not be the one who brings the ultimate solution as yet. She soon has a Jupiter return too at 20 Sag. She is an Aquarius with, my sister is a Taurus with Sag rising.
I would really appreciate your help on this.
I think what is different for me is a more responsibility-driven longing, and the depth and darkness of Scorpio makes the sensations more intense.
Here's a question for my teacher, sparked by John Townley's analysis of JK Rowling's natal chart. She is a Scorp ASC and he states she "looks" like one. What does this mean? Does one's chart determine one's physical appearance in some way? I have a hunch about myself but I want to know what others think.
oops, that should be "a more Capricorn responsibility-driven longing."
It's never a good idea to coddle a SN in Cancer. They have to grow up and learn responsibility. You have to do the necesary care-taking but it's best to leave it at that.
In the long run I think it just will be the distance between us that will solve the issue again
Yes. And you are right.
Your sister is the one who needs the nurturing. She will grow from it, whereas your mother won't.
Does one's chart determine one's physical appearance in some way? I have a hunch about myself but I want to know what others think.
You better believe it. The ASC is the best indicator, although the other factors play in.
So what do you look like?
Many years ago I met a Capricorn with beautiful clear blue eyes. She was not an astrologer but was interested. I asked her what she got from me and she immdiately said Cancer and Aries. What a moment. Unrehearsed, and more of why I love unschooled astrologers.
I look exactly like an Aries rising. Swords for eyes that see everything, dark wiry hair, a mark on my face (a dot I got tattooed on my forehead 40 years ago), tight hard body ready for action, lean, toned, and muscular(not bulky), strong eyebrows, bony face, strong jaw, a body that moves quickly and accurately, etc.
The wild thing is that people fear me because of the Aries, but I'm really the Cancer scaredy-cat!
But I also have some of the soft round Cancer in me and understanding eyes along with the sharp penetration. So people are both daunted by me and attracted to my intimacy. Very interesting to observe. In the end, though, they look to me for my Aries defensive warrior skills so they feel safe with me. Just don't cross me.
Scorpio risings have the smoldering intensity in their faces, sometimes swarthy, even though they might cover it up with smiles and such. The darkness is there even if platinum blond and the eyes do the sidewinding allure thing quite often. They feel isolated and want to impact the environment with their sheer power, so often they stand apart with a force field around themselves, though not always, of course. They do have a wary sometimes suspicious something in them, but as I said, they are good at coverup too. They see through things and if you watch them closely you can catch them tabulating it all.
It's often easy to see the ASC characteristics, but planets in the 1st and aspects will modify. There's a look and move that sometimes can't even be defined, but you can get it.
In your case, Saturn would affect the Gemini flighty behavior making you more cautious and physically reserved. But still the Mercurial eyes would probably give you away. There's a sparkle in Gemini that gets out.
I am normally rather pale, except in summer when I tan nicely, with almost black hair and green eyes. I think the word that would describe me is... *drum roll* "saturnine." Wiry is a good term, as well.
This is almost like Chinese face-reading!
Here's another example. My sister is a Scorpio with Sagittarius rising. She has that hypnotic kohl-eyed look but it it all goes to pot with the huge warm unrestrained Sag smile she has. The magnetism forgotten. The shrieking excitement in her voice too, except when her Moon in Capricorn in the 2nd is talking about money. Then the depression comes in.
Sadges sometines have stong hips and legs. I took a walk with her last time I saw her and I've never seen legs move like that. I had to run to keep up with her. They often have long strides to cover all the territory they want to traverse.
I love face-reading!
So let me ask you, joe. Do you react quickly when you want to?
What do you perceive as people's repsonse to your presence? Gemini is everybody's brother, but Saturn is someone you must kow-tow to.
Gemini is great fun. They love frolic. Do you ever get into this mode?
Scorpio's eyes run across you at a slant, sometimes with the heebie-jeebies in tow.
thanks jm. I´m so glad I can say now that it is only through all the family problems that I am finding my true path, my hidden pearl and the blaming can finally stop.
People come to me immediately at the slightest hint of trouble. Both for the Cancer sympathy, but also for the warrior who will get the enemy immediately if need be. The truth of how easily frightened people are is clear to me. They want me to verify the other's wrongdoing which is easy, but I have to wait to point out their own. That's a toughie. My instinct is also to protect them from themselves, at first, when the crisis comes. Self confrontation is sensitive and people have to initiate it.
I sure do move fast, when I want to. :o) And I can frolic. Once in a while.
I think the contrast between Gem frolicking and Saturnian sobriety makes for an uneasy reception for some people. I find myself at a loss for words here... I such a mixed bag of reactions. I gather from clues contained in body language that I seem like I know too much, and this freaks some people out. It's a puzzle, I tell ya.
*sigh* what's wrong with this stupid keyboard? "I get such a mixed bag of reactions..."
I'll get that stupid keyboard!!!
Which do you prefer in response? the scary Scorpio-Saturn or the adorable Gemini??
The know-too-much is the whole story. Scorp-Saturn-Gem.
People want to know. Even if afraid. They get so much bullshit thrown at them.
So how do you disseminate the truth in a way they can understand and use, not wishing to murder you? That is the question.
The beauty of the ASC and 1st house is that we can sculpt ourselves here the way we want to. It's the most malleable point in the wheel. Even dressing a certain way can be part of it and highly effective. We truly can be who we want to be to some extent. And transits to the 1st are a great opportunity, especially Saturn.
JM - that's exactly where your moon/uranus thread took me - that Scorpio - all Scorpio - is rooting out the darkest remnants of an instinctual ( "tribal familial " as you put it) mode of motivation and inspiration to replace it with something else ( "heretofore unseen entity" - your words again) - and the instincts that Scorpio wrestles with do not yield so easily to that something else.....
i look at it basically in the same way you do - it is a shift from personal individual reality and consciousness as a foundation of motivation - to an exploration of connecting and sharing and what possibilities open from there - the transpersonal.
i would'nt limit it to thinking of a shift from Scorpio to just Sagitarius - all of the houses and their rulers past the 8 th will be active in some part of the Plutonian process. along with the libra SN mercury/neptune conjunction that you mention, venus, the rulers of the sun, moon, saturn, the 5 th, 7 th, 8 th, 11 th, and 12 th houses also reside in the 12 th house. it seems that the level of wounding and trauma that Plutonian types often have to confront can only be healed with a fusing of the personal reality with the inspiration and direction from the outer planents and the 9 th thru 12 house influences - the heretofore unseen influence.
and of course it also goes in the other direction - too much Scorpio and one needs a break from the crisis and battle to again feel the beauty and depth of what we are really about on the earth - venus, taurus, cancer and the 4 th house. that comes thru so strongly with your aesthetic presentation and the depth of feeling here. the enjoyment of each moment you mention bridges us to those transpersonal influences more effectively than anything else - my past rigidity has been immense, but I'm allowing myself to trade in trauma for love whenever the opportunity comes up.....
Oh I love the descriptions! My SO is Capricorn Sun/ Scorpio Moon/ Gemini ASC...
Any thoughts on mannerisms? Pretty please just for fun? I'm so cranky I need to think about fun things that will re-endear people to me, LOL!
My SN Cancer sister is moving back in with my parents with her small child. The battle has begun already.
So how do you disseminate the truth in a way they can understand and use, not wishing to murder you? That is the question.
That is indeed the question, since I know so many things or hold so many opinions that are arcane, unpopular or plain unfamiliar.
Which do I prefer? Hmm... well, I think the scary Scorpio-Saturn is being leavened more and more by Gemini as time goes on.
This is great, don. I must repeat how much I like your astrological approach.
i would'nt limit it to thinking of a shift from Scorpio to just Sagitarius - all of the houses and their rulers past the 8 th will be active in some part of the Plutonian process.
I love this and agree wholeheartedly. The outer planets will all be there for awhile longer and this is a great opportunity. I can see it happening here, and what an enjoyable surprise. The best of astrology.
The Plutonian passage is a big one and it makes sense that it clears the way for the entire last quandrant's transpersonal process.
it seems that the level of wounding and trauma that Plutonian types often have to confront can only be healed with a fusing of the personal reality with the inspiration and direction from the outer planents and the 9 th thru 12 house influences - the heretofore unseen influence.
This is a great great thought and I'm going to pursue it. Your chart is advanced and a good opportunity to study this concept. So glad you popped in.
and of course it also goes in the other direction - too much Scorpio and one needs a break from the crisis and battle to again feel the beauty and depth of what we are really about on the earth - venus, taurus, cancer and the 4 th house.
Oh I like this. And your Moon in Taurus. The right track at last. Me, a Cancer with a NN in Taurus. You do have a way of clarifying.
the enjoyment of each moment you mention bridges us to those transpersonal influences more effectively than anything else
I have to repeat everything! It must be that Jupiter in the 3rd.
My SN Cancer sister is moving back in with my parents with her small child. The battle has begun already.
Uh oh! Aren't you glad you know astrology, chrispito? I'll be back shortly for more on your man.
I really do like this. The aesthetic as a way out of pain. Beats psychoanalysis.
Joe! Excellent. More on this in a mo too.
My SO is Capricorn Sun/ Scorpio Moon/ Gemini ASC
This is so much like joe, although the emotional stuff could be worse with the Scorp Moon. Usually the worst of family traumas. An overpowering mother if she lived. Most don't know what to do about her. Nothing seems to console these mothers, never enough, and they don't like to let go of the child. The child sometimes feels responsible and especially with a Cap Sun. Since Joe has the Scorpio Sun, there could be more of his with the father.
All of it leads to teaching emotional truths in ways that don't frighten. The Gem incarnation is one of communication and Capricorn-Scorpio knows the power of words and probably their healing ability. They can articulate feelings, although it might take time to develop the talent.
Joe says I always know the right thing to say, but I think he's the one who has this talent. It's connected, what he says, and sometimes I think he's more psychic and senstive to others' needs than he realizes. Connected to feeling and experience. just what the doctor ordered. He can also trigger catharsis, but that's for later.
If there are siblings they figure in too. Teachers. as well, with Gem-Cap.
The Scorp-Cap is a weighty often pessimistic mindset, which is fine, but not for Gemini rising. So they have a path out of gloominess to the more buoyant sensations of Gemini but with the undercurrent of their traumatic experiences giving it all believability. They can REALLY get down and talk to people and cut to the chase if they want to.
The Whole Gemini-Sagittarius axis in a lifetime is learning to be philosophical about the hardships and eventually fluttering above them with the memory as ballast.
Capricorn is achievement oriented but Gemini likes fun and frolic. Ideally a Cap sun should learn to lighten up and enjoy people and life for the momentary delight. It's the perfect teaching setup and this can take many forms.
There are many nuances to it all, but this trio is basically getting away from the gravity of the past and learning to fly.
my moon only aspects the outer planets - sextiles pluto, squares uranus and trines neptune. i'm not sure what to make of it, except that it would indicate an interest in the more transpersonal issues.
as for appearance, leo ascendant but with saturn - i am short but strong and somewhat athletic, with very pale skin, dark hair and greenish eyes. a bit severe and serious looking at times. sometimes i think people are scared of me at first which bothers me. but when they get to know me they realise there's nothing to be scared of.
also regarding ascendants, in my family my dad is aries rising and my mum is leo rising, with saturn in the first house. i have six siblings. three of my four brothers have aries rising, the other has libra. of my two sisters one has leo rising with saturn opposite the asc, and the other has capricorn rising with saturn in the 12th.
sorry if that's all a bit tangental but i was amazed when i first discovered it.
a bit severe and serious looking at times. sometimes i think people are scared of me at first which bothers me
There's the Saturn. the fear is there for a reason...to protect you against them until trust is established. Saturn in the 1st has to be cautious for karmic reasons. In reality, everybody is scared of everybody and they find out later what you have natural protection against. It's a good thing. It can be bothersome, but eventually it should be less so.
What an amazing Aries-Leo family. That is fascinating. What in the world was it like with all those Aries men? And the one Libra brother is something with the one Cap sister to break the mold. Someone's got to calm all that fire down.
I'm very interested in how all the fiery drama played out. Who got the spotlight or did it change all the time?
Sometimes Libra can be more quarrelsome than Aries, so I wonder how all that went.
Your transpersonal Moon would help you stay above some of the emotional drama and probably the Saturn in the 1st kept you protected.
It's incredible. No doubt what these karmic lessons are about. You are meant to get it right, the self expression, like your mother.
This is very very interesting. The one Cap sister with Saturn in the 12th. Almost like a stranger. The grown-up.
Sometimes signs can act like the opposite when the sign itself can't get expression. All that Aries makes me wonder how they did it. Lots of maleness all the way around. The only female ASC being your sister.
I've never run across a family quite like this. certainly explains your Moon-Uranus!
This is yet another wonderful discussion, jm. For as long as I can remember, I've also been fascinated by the physical manifestations of our natal astrological placements.
More recently (like starting 10 years ago), I've even found myself guessing people's signs with a better than average level of accuracy. (I'll never forget the time I stunned the waitress at Applebys by guessing her natal Sun. She was an intense and particularly sarcastic Scorpio.) It seems I'm even better at picking the combinations of the elements in their auras. Water, particularly Scorpio seems to be the easiest for me to read, perhaps because of their intensity. But I've lately been pretty accurate with air, particularly Aquarius energy.
Now if you want to see something really interesting, in my web travels, I've actually stumbled onto a site project that accepts submissions of personal photos by ASC, Sun and Moon. Very interesting. Take a look! http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/index.html
Thanks neo!
It's really good practice to do this and it's fun. You'd be amazed how many times you get it right, then go back and try to figure out how you knew. Everybody gets a kick out of it.
Best not to be too shy. It's a great way to learn astrology and how to be wrong without too much embarrassment. Just give'em a little smile and an "Oh really?", when they tell you.
Isn't it funny about Scorpios? They're so easy to guess. You'll see.
And Scorpios are supposed to be the secretive ones!!
All that intensity gives us away!
Great link, Neo. looking forward to trying it out later.
Thank you for the great discussion! And thanks for indulging me, Jm. You were dead-on, right down to the mother comments.
Oh and thanks for the link, Joe!
Hi jm,
wow, I am always amazed by how responsive you are to posts, my response feels rather late but I've only just logged back on, but here goes:
'What in the world was it like with all those Aries men?...Who got the spotlight or did it change all the time? Sometimes Libra can be more quarrelsome than Aries, so I wonder how all that went.'
My dad had a lot of energy and drive, raced cars and ran a business and my brothers were probably in awe of him. Two of the aries boys followed him into car racing, the third had to find his own tribe in the football community which he did and he became a leader within it. The car-mad boys also established themselves independently in the car world.
None of the boys took on the dad's business though, they could not have worked for him. The libra - actually the eldest - went in the opposite direction - classical music and computers and rejected mainstream 'guy' culture completely.
'The one Cap sister with Saturn in the 12th. Almost like a stranger. The grown-up.'
That's amazing. The cap is so responsible and organised, calmly getting everything done in good time unlike the rest of us tearing around doing things at the last minute.
'Your transpersonal Moon would help you stay above some of the emotional drama and probably the Saturn in the 1st kept you protected.'
Yes! That makes perfect sense...I liked reading :) kept me sane...lol
I love the way you make view the horoscope in these positive terms! the 'usefulness' idea... I love it! You wouldn't look at your body without asking what purpose the bits and pieces of it had would you? or of anything else in nature? thank you again :)
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