Wednesday, December 17, 2008

Inviting Reality

Out of the Clouds ... Saturn Slows Down
The other day I was thinking about the Capricorn changes coming into my life and suddenly they appeared -- two friends I hadn't seen in many moons, a Capricorn and a Moon-Saturn in Capricorn. Ask and ye shall receive.
The Moon-Saturn said, "Something's going on," and I proceeded to tell her about Pluto and her conjunction. "How long will that be?" she asked.
"Sixteen years," I replied.
"Good! she exclaimed, delightedly (as delighted as a Moon-Saturn Cap can be)." She likes reality. Prefers it. She left laughing with her spirits high. Mine were too.

In perfect orchestration, Saturn is now slowing down, eventually to a standstill, while it stations and goes retrograde for the next two months and helps the world adjust to Pluto in Capricorn and a new outlook. Such timing. I often find that fears actually diminish when reality finally arrives.
But the most interesting addition is the long quincunx Saturn will make with Neptune in Aquarius, the weaver of dreams. This provides a stellar opportunity to deal with illusions, and with Neptune in America's 9th house square Mars, the country loves them. She idolizes her leaders making them into a sort of combination religious icon and Hollywood superstar, glittering into the Promised Land. That has its pleasures and purposes, but in Capricorn times, the illusions have a tendency to harden and solidify out of the gaseous vapors and take concrete form, often with a period of adjustment which we're in now. The bends can be avoided with gradual progression. Of course, some of the Aries-Mars types are impatient as always.
The quincunx gives society the opportunity to view the incoming leadership a little more accurately, although it's always an individual perception that suits each one's purpose. Our own picture of authority figures determines the view. What's even more interesting is that Saturn is conjunct USA Neptune while forming this configuration and will be in the Inaugural Chart, influencing the next four years. This indicates a longstanding problem that's due for correction as Saturn is retrograde in Virgo, the sign of repair and healing going back, inconjunct Neptune in Aquarius -- collective visions. Chiron is also conjunct for additional knowledge and healing, Saturn exactly on the midpoint. Some realism does seem to be in order. In my case, I could turn my intense dislike of politicians into a moderate one. Progress I can believe in.
It gets even more interesting ... Saturn in the Inaugural is in the 5th house with the South Node in Leo curtailing the habit of over-elevating leadership. The new president, amazingly, has Mars conjunct US Neptune square Mars, so the energy and surgical precision are there in case people want to peek through the clouds a bit and see leaders for what they are -- people doing specific jobs. Humans. Doing something productive with my tax money. Hopefully. I can still dream a little.
So I'm going to follow the lead of my Moon-Saturn wise one and invite reality in, even suspend judgement for a minute so I can see what it's like. Get to know it. Of course, judgement comes under Saturn's auspices so when it returns, I plan to use it with perspicuity.

38 Comments:

Blogger yeshe_choden said...

peek through the clouds a bit and see leaders for what they are -- people doing specific jobs. Humans.

That's the gift I've been accepting lately. PEBO and posse are humans, time moves on, things will change, nothing is permanent. Those who talk don't know, and those who know ain't talking. It is the Great Game. These are players, not comic book characters.

Setting judgment aside for a while is a good tactic, jm. Make that Capital-J Judgment, the fossilizing kind. Allowing oneself to just witness and observe will educate judgment. This has been my experience. Selah.

17/12/08 9:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've got Saturn in Cap, and in the past week, I feel like I've made it through some sort of wormhole. Based on my experience with Pluto oh these many years, I've been dreading Pluto's entry into Capricorn. But all of a sudden, after many tears and much frustration, people are coming out of the woodwork to tell me how much they appreciate me. I'm taking it in (not easy for this gemini who wants to keep on moving). Anyway..just wondering. Is it a common experience for others with prominent Cap placements to feel relief right now? I keep thinking, maybe the rest of the world is catching up with my reality. Thanks for the post, as always jm, it resonates.

17/12/08 9:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Part of me is still furious but I realized when Pluto came to my Mars that I was entering my habitual rage pattern and that no one cared, most of all the system I hate so enthusiastically. So isn't it a bit useless? I encountered another maddening moment with the whole damn thing last night, but today I decided to try something else. This reserve of judgement thing. Judge not lest ye be and all that crap. Well I still will be but it shouldn't matter.

I do admit that I encountered my Aries Moon friend tonight who was in as big a rage as I and I let loose, full-voiced with all the salty language I've been so carefully controlling. Ooooh, it felt good. She did it too. I looked at her and knew. We were angry about the exact same thing. I feel much better so I can start this non-judgement thingy free and clear.:-)

It's going to be an interesting transit. My way of dealing with the system previously was to stay out of it, but Pluto in Cap has something different in mind. But I can still beat it, one of my greatest talents. In or out.

As far as the leaders go ... to hell with 'em. Oh wait a minute ... they're already there. I'm not following them, that's all I know.

17/12/08 10:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

people are coming out of the woodwork to tell me how much they appreciate me.

That's the point with Saturn in Cap but it comes when you feel worthy of the recognition, usually after time and achievement. And it has to be genuine with Saturn.

I don't know yet how others are responding but each case is unique. Relief is a good word for it. That's why when reality comes, the fear vanishes. Like when a mother dies, an event we fear for so long. When it finally happens, the fear no longer exists. Other unpleasant things come, but fear of an upcoming event is guaranteed to disappear once it arrives. Something to look forward to.:-)

I've found that we're always able to cope with whatever comes our way. The fear is often worse. Once we're in the experience, other factors kick in. We deal with it.

Of course, the transit is long and slow so time will tell. I've seen some who have entire Pluto transits with little external upheaval. Some with major.

Pluto and Saturn can work extremely well together - the signs form a natural sextile - with good energy for intense concentration, focus on what you really want for yourself, great powers of discipline and achievement. It costs though. It's worth it.

17/12/08 11:08 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I keep thinking, maybe the rest of the world is catching up with my reality.

Could be. I like that way of putting it.

17/12/08 11:10 PM  
Blogger yeshe_choden said...

I do admit that I encountered my Aries Moon friend tonight who was in as big a rage as I and I let loose, full-voiced with all the salty language I've been so carefully controlling. Ooooh, it felt good. She did it too. I looked at her and knew. We were angry about the exact same thing. I feel much better so I can start this non-judgement thingy free and clear.:-)

I applaud both of you!

This sounds like the New Maturity: have anger, recognize anger, vent anger -- so that it no longer controls your judgment or actions.

May the two of you get together often.

18/12/08 9:18 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

I'm feeling newly inspired and renewed. I've been doin' time but got a dose of what I've been doing it for. It's enough to sustain me for the next round. I will not let up until it's done with. One step at a time. No shortcuts or wishful thinking. I know how it works.

the signs form a natural sextile - with good energy for intense concentration, focus on what you really want for yourself, great powers of discipline and achievement.

OK by me.

18/12/08 12:55 PM  
OpenID ancareth-raven said...

As far as the leaders go ... to hell with 'em. Oh wait a minute ... they're already there. I'm not following them, that's all I know.

Hahahah! Good one!!!! ;) And loved the part with anger... rage!

18/12/08 3:07 PM  
Blogger yeshe_choden said...

You know how F. Scott Fitzgerald said that an adult is somebody who can hold two opposing points of view simultaneously?

I'm feeling very adult these days.

I am both angry about Rick Warren getting to do the invocation at BO's Inaugural, and I am also in complete agreement with our dear Al Giordano:

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/you-dont-get-inclusion-calling-exclusion

We are called to do things differently now.

Grrr.

18/12/08 6:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

First things first...

This sounds like the New Maturity: have anger, recognize anger, vent anger -- so that it no longer controls your judgment or actions.

My new Mars-Pluto!!

Perfect technique. Take the energy and use it.

18/12/08 9:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I've been doin' time but got a dose of what I've been doing it for.

That's a pretty good description of life. We get little doses here and there.

I will not let up until it's done with. One step at a time. No shortcuts or wishful thinking. I know how it works.

Me too. Wishful doing might work, though.

18/12/08 9:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Ancareth, it's a long story about the rage factor. I'm good at it because it's rarely personal but it's a powerful force to work with being an Aries rising with Uranus square Mars. It can be done. Maybe it should be.

I can't stand politicians and I don't know how I roped myself into this. My opinion is as firm as it always was. I think there's something terribly wrong with them. Not that there isn't with all of us, but most of us sort of keep it among ourselves, family, and friends. The problem is, we picked these miserables to govern us. There are definitely some problems here. I'm an anarchist and have never aligned with either party, so this is weird. I'd like a good society though.

I stayed far far away from them until I got on this fool Internet and something took a hold of me. They're despicable. They all need a makeover. It's the lying in that insulting manner that always got to me the most but it's just as much the fault of the suckers I share this planet with.

So now what? Adios, see ya next lifetime, or continue trying to communicate in what feels like a horrible rock concert on a bad trip. The hysterical daily trauma of it all. The screaming and the flashing. Jerky rhythm. Bad news every minute. It's not my bad news. Is it? It's kind of funny when you think about it sometimes.

The Taoist in me says let it be. Take it or leave it. But my Aries can't hack it and say nothing, and my Pisces 12th says I can't go back to the monastery. It's a rock in a hard place, I'll tell ya. And now Capricorn!

Me and the world.

18/12/08 9:58 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

The Taoist in me says let it be. Take it or leave it. But my Aries' can't hack it and say nothing, and my Pisces 12th says I can't go back to the monastery.

I think they have succeeded at boring me so greatly that I've switched the channel. I'm not feeling engaged since the election. I feel like I'm watching a slow motion train wreck. I already know the outcome. It's the same feeling I used to get when I had a tv -when it would dawn on me that I'd been mindlessly glued to some inane channel and just flipped it wondering (what else is on?). Even nothing is better. The thing is, even when things do level out I don't think the bubble economy is dead. And it was the bubbles of hysteria that really bothered me. I feel detached now.

18/12/08 10:09 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

ooops what I meant to say was that I do think the bubble mindset is dead or dying.

18/12/08 10:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OK, yesh. Here it is.

I am both angry about Rick Warren getting to do the invocation at BO's Inaugural, and I am also in complete agreement with our dear Al Giordano:

I disagree entirely with Al on this one. I personally don't give a flying fart who does what at that party, but it's a ceremony for everybody and a moment when this cheap political gamesmanship should cease. How about a gentle Universalist minister? unknown. They all do it purposely. They can't quit for one tiny minute with the melodrama. It's not inclusive. They have no idea at all how to pull that one off. None of them. Do they like anybody? Do they like us? Jesus, man.

I don't know anything about this preacher and I'm not interested. Pluto has left Sagittarius and I've got other things on my mind.

And does it really matter? Will it matter in 2 months? It's getting ridiculous. There are real problems in this world and this personality crap is awful. And the group mind F*** is worse. What's wrong with everybody? The daily obsessions are infantile. It's just a damn phony prayer. Is Aretha Franklin screaming any better? No wonder this country is where it is.

Inaugurate the man and get on with it.

It's just a cheesy party.

18/12/08 10:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Me too mpk!!!

I think they have succeeded at boring me so greatly that I've switched the channel. I'm not feeling engaged since the election. I feel like I'm watching a slow motion train wreck. I already know the outcome.

Exactly. It's just that I was in overdrive and I feel like I've stripped my gears trying to reroute. They are so so boring it's amazing. Tabloid heaven.

It's the same feeling I used to get when I had a tv -when it would dawn on me that I'd been mindlessly glued to some inane channel and just flipped it wondering (what else is on?). Even nothing is better.

Yep. That's why I watch so little television. None now.

Detached is your nature in many ways so it serves you well. I swing both ways, but when I get un-detached I can't help but get perturbed, which can be invigorating. Society in general is pathetic, and one's close circle can be inspiring, but still the noise of it all intrudes. I suppose I should just do what I do and get on with it! But man, are they boring.

I never was interested in them so maybe I'm simply destined to return to my natural self. We shall see.

18/12/08 10:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It is kind of humorous though. No one knows what the hell is going on, most of all the new Big Chief. He's being "advised." If you look at the images of them their eyes reveal their lostness and trepidation. Some of them are going into jobs they know nothing about. They should stick with their prairie dogs and hair colorists. Counting their money, of course.

Lord help us. Oh wait, we're out of Sagittarius. Then Time help us.

18/12/08 10:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So who's to blame for all the seeming endless hysteria about politicians? The politicos themselves, the ravenous media that need 24-7 news items to fill those slots or the public that seem to have become so hungry for it?
Or maybe lord Pluto having finished digging up all the dirt he could find in Sag, and now having turned his flinty eyes on big business and government, is forcing us all to become either obsessed or repelled, or deeply disturbed or perhaps even transformed depending on how we tend to react when exposed to plutonic realms.

19/12/08 10:44 AM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

Some of them are going into jobs they know nothing about.

For this I can feel some sympathy as I'm currently the same boat. I recently got the raise, the title, and the responsibility (you know the stuff you're supposed to want but what I've personally always been HIGHLY ambivalent about) and I'm supposed now to be a leader and deliver in a difficult business climate. I'm just hoping I can do so with frugality and humility and then the Universe will finally let me go on to other things in a few years.

19/12/08 11:12 AM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

"The way out is through" -I've taken that one to heart.

The way to my eventual ideal state of detachment is for now, complete engagement.

19/12/08 11:19 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

Setting judgment aside for a while is a good tactic, jm. Make that Capital-J Judgment, the fossilizing kind. Allowing oneself to just witness and observe will educate judgment. This has been my experience.

LOL. Yes please... for all us newbie leaders who have somehow managed to get a job deserved or not. A little compassion ;-) Some of us will give it an honest go pass or fail-

19/12/08 11:49 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Anonymous, great comment.

So who's to blame for all the seeming endless hysteria about politicians?

This has always been my main point. Since everyone is implicated, we the people can do best by understanding our part and going there for the fix, not to the pols and the media. The addiction to trauma and punishment is worth studying. And the crux of it - obedience.

Or maybe lord Pluto having finished digging up all the dirt he could find in Sag, and now having turned his flinty eyes on big business and government, is forcing us all to become either obsessed or repelled, or deeply disturbed or perhaps even transformed depending on how we tend to react when exposed to plutonic realms.

When the bottom of the sewer was reached with the last cabinet appointments I asked myself, "Is he going to dig even further? To the cesspool in Middle Earth?"

Then I thought maybe so. Pluto would like that. The uglines lurking beneath the surface is in everyone so that's probably the basis for the recoiling reaction.

I think all those things you mentioned will happen in the coming governmental Plutonic realms, the end result being some healthy transformation. But most important is the transformation in our own lives using the collective energy productively.

This is the stage being set, but maybe instead of overreacting to every event, we could understand what you said. That's it's a natural process unfolding and if we work with it instead, the transformation could possibly be greater.

My main concern now is the obsession with the personalities rather than the deeper issues. The players are symbols, all exchangeable. Bush to Obama and on to the next one. What they do every morning is really not the beginning and end of existence. There are so many of them, so many actions to make the centerpiece of people's own lives, the biggest flaw. Maybe the problem of human relationships is a continuing thread in Pluto's domain. We continue to fear one another, so perhaps finding the real reasons would be transformative.

19/12/08 3:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

HA HA! You caught me mpk, with my big non-judgement plans. I'll keep trying. I'm not adverse to failure, really! Consider my compassion adequately aroused.

The way to my eventual ideal state of detachment is for now, complete engagement.

Hmmm.... Double hmmmm.

19/12/08 3:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"When the bottom of the sewer was reached with the last cabinet appointments I asked myself, "Is he going to dig even further? To the cesspool in Middle Earth?"

Yes, I think it will get to the cesspool in middle earth. The rotteness in government and the world financial system is breathtaking and needs to see the light of day. But cesspools can also turn into fertilizer, so I do believe some amazing possiblilities can be born from all this.
Pluto can and will nourish new forms of self government and sustainable economics.

I'm a great admirerer of Pluto's work and I'm very excited about the next decade or so.

For more ideas on future possibilites check out http://www.realitysandwich.com/present_presence

19/12/08 3:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

In keeping with the above entry on reality, I feel more and more eager to face it every day now. I agree with you about fertile ground.

I've been optimistic about the potential of the transit all along, but also realistic now with the signs of exposure being revealed. The trick is to recognize the decay everywhere, not just in the ones and things we think we don't like.

Pluto is interested in renewed life, survival at the seed level, so the elimination ahead is designed with that end in mind, financial restructuring on every level being paramount. It seems to me that those who are without now could be the ones who gain since Pluto deals with both acquisition and renunciation. So instead of fearing the loss, one could embrace the gain, ultimately accepting both. Fair exchange.

19/12/08 4:42 PM  
Anonymous Helena said...

Hi, jm. Can relate to the "intense dislike of politicians" as of late, but no need to say any more about that.

"But the most interesting addition is the long quincunx Saturn will make with Neptune in Aquarius, the weaver of dreams. This provides a stellar opportunity to deal with illusions, and with Neptune in America's 9th house square Mars, the country loves them."

About the Saturn quincunx to Neptune, you've presented the Saturn side and its impact on Neptune. To fill in a bit, Neptune's impact on Saturn. The parts of us that are entrenched, crystallized, attached either materially or mentally to material comforts and security or perspectives, will not like Neptune's dissolving action. Kind of reminds me of the billions that have gone "poof" courtesy of major con artist Madoff or perhaps a president elect who is trying to unify a country.

The Saturn transit to the US Neptune seems like a healthy thing for the country, like a medicine that's bitter but just the thing to remove the toxicity in the system. Cheney admitted recently on national TV he authorized torture. We need to atone, as a country, or we won't move forward and Obama's vision for an America reunited with her ideals will not come to be unless and until we do. It'll be interesting to see what Obama does, if he does anything. Will he sweep this dark and tragic episode under the rug like Ford vis-a-vis Nixon or not?

19/12/08 10:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Helena, what a delight.

You are absolutely right and I hadn't thought about the billions gone "poof" in terms of the transit. Reality about finances is sure to come.

We need to atone, as a country, or we won't move forward.

I so agree with this and I've wanted to explore it further in terms of Pluto in Capricorn and the confrontation with guilt. All kinds going very far back. Some of the current torture policies were actually designed under Clinton. I read in my paper that Obama plans to turn a blind eye to the CIA Black Ops. I imagine he'll do a band-aid cosmetic thing like closing Guantanamo, but you know the foreign policy game will continue. At least for now. The whole thing is so criminal and complicated. How to ever undo it is something I can't fathom.

It'll be interesting to see what Obama does, if he does anything. Will he sweep this dark and tragic episode under the rug like Ford vis-a-vis Nixon or not?

What can he do? He's a pawn like everyone. The people tied up in the war and drug business are not to be messed with unless circumstance does something. It will eventually.

The problem I see is thinking it was about Bush-Cheney. It's so much deeper than that and this episode was miniscule in the whole tapestry. So punishing them is useless. It won't budge the system. I'd rather spend my money on something else. It was all of our faults, anyway.

I think atoning might take a different path and I think it's too late to sweep it under the rug. It's in the collective conscious body now. Maybe the loss of wealth and prestige will help, but I think the best atonement is creating a better government slowly. Introduction of ethics somewhere somehow. Even if it takes a century or three. Locating the real source of corruption is tricky. The last administration was a speck in time. Their absence won't solve anything either, but a fresh start of any kind is a chance for some improvement. Acccepting collective responsibility for the predicament of our country is the best first step.

20/12/08 4:49 AM  
Blogger yeshe_choden said...

A late kudo --

-- to jm for using the word "perspecuity" appropriately and eloquently in a public forum.

Gold star!

20/12/08 3:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Omg! Omg!

Yeeeaaaaay!!!

Vocabulary has never been my strong suit so I treasure this gold star.

Thank you yeshe!

(Is this a hint of Capricorn validation to come? Must I say good-bye to my fear of success? Oh no.)

20/12/08 3:52 PM  
OpenID ancareth-raven said...

I can't stand politicians and I don't know how I roped myself into this.

It's funny, I'm not into politicians either and I too don't watch tv, especially news. I only observe the scene from your astrological eyes. I did not even watch the election, I preferred to stay visually blind, and perceive through other senses. You seem the only one who gives an interesting edge to this. It's like I am tuning through you to deeper effects of all these things going on, without having to watch the superficial drama.

Anyway, I've been directly lead to know/remember/realise that I have been incarnated as a Grand Duke in 13th century Europe, who was a diplomat when it came to politics and rulership. So now I have an entirely different kind of interest in the whole realm...

I also want to express that I feel so joyful to participate and observe this blogland...

20/12/08 5:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Ancareth, this is wonderful. I commend you for avoiding the scene, there are much better things to do with time. I still can't figure out why I'm doing it but your comment awakened me.

I preferred to stay visually blind, and perceive through other senses

So wise. I know exactly what you're talking about. Exactly.

I refuse to look at their faces or listen to their voices. I get my information other ways. But they are the representatives of the culture I'm working with more diligently so I guess I have to have a relationship with them. I've never been in awe of the famous. Quite the opposite.

I am tuning through you to deeper effects of all these things going on, without having to watch the superficial drama.

Perfect. And job satisfaction for me. Superficial is what it is. Sun-Plutos illuminate the subconscious. All the way to the core.

I recall you saying you have a south node in the 7th or Libra. If that's so then that would be the diplomatic karma. I have it too, but I'm leaving it gradually. I don't have to please people as much as I thought I did. I don't anyway. No wonder politics isn't my pleasure.

I love your perspective.

20/12/08 5:31 PM  
OpenID ancareth-raven said...

Yes, South Node in Libra, in 5th House of kings. This diplomat-duke lifetime is about 700 years old, long enough to establish patterns in soul. I'm so ready for my Aries independent thrust forward!

Also, read a book recently called The Return of Merlin, which talks about these astrological trines in history of about 700-720 years that mark return of Merlinesque characters and king Arthur.

I feel it is all very connected to my lifetime as Grand Duke (and its legend), as well as my personal involvement in magic as a magician... and carving for myself an independent destiny knowing all this...

And I wanted to mention these things here, and noticed that on another post of yours a lot of comments seemed to mention magic. I found that amusing.

I don't know what it is, but it just feels right to be here, sharing these comments with you. Kind of joyful. Truly.

Magic is becoming real...

Hehehe..

20/12/08 6:50 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Important times coming up for the Aries North. Uranus liberates and soon it will be there freeing up the thrust required for all of us to fulfill our potential. Big thrust. One of my biggest problems with the 7th South has been holding back the full strength and the fear of offending others. It's time to let that go, but boy, is it hard.

The South in Libra in the 5th house of kings means that you could have been married to a great one sublimating your own creative dynamic talent. This lifetime is yours to do that. I have Pluto in the 5th square the nodes and I've spent many lifetimes supporting other people's ventures. Getting used to supporting my own takes a minute.

Magic doesn't exist unless it's real.

20/12/08 8:14 PM  
OpenID ancareth-raven said...

Funny, I do feel innate repulsion to marriage when it comes to my own life. I feel like it would suffocate me, and leave me too comfortable to venture out to experience creative risks...

I'm almost waiting to see what you will become as you step into your own more and more. Because I know something similar must burst in the open in my personality (in its broad sense).

Magic doesn't exist unless it's real.

That was like a punch.
As if it abruptly ended seemingly automatic doubts of the mind.

20/12/08 8:52 PM  
Anonymous Helena said...

jm, I agree, it is bigger than Bush and Cheney. Punishing Bush/Cheney would amount to scapegoating, meaning blaming them as the cause of our collective misfortune, banishing them so we could retain a sense of innocence.

What I'm alluding to with the historical example of Ford and Nixon was a tendency to banish unpleasant truths disguised as "moving forward." But, moving forward can only happen if we see things as they are and not looking away. I'm not suggesting Ford "should" have allowed Nixon to be impeached or punished, but he could have exercised leadership by acknowledging "what is" that the country had fallen into the grips of its "shadow." There was no acknowledgment, no remorse, and no atonement. If there had been this process, the darker elements could have been changed and their energies put into service to our evolving consciousness. Then, there would have been the possibility of creating better government. We didn't do that and so the country is repeating the drama and going through turmoil once again, only its worse this time. We have a chance to do this differently now.

I'd like to hear what you have to say about the Pluto in Capricorn as it relates to atonement and "confrontation with guilt."

I learned a lot about the sign Capricorn during a Saturn transit to my seventh house. I was part of a spiritual group. Several people asked me to do their charts and they all had Cap rising!

I learned that while I didn't relate much to Capricorn's personality traits, Capricorn as a sign fascinates me. The symbol of the fishgoat. The sheer range of the sign encompassing the heights of the mountain goat and the depths of the fish. Capricorn's link to the scapegoat, guilt, shame, judgment, the bearing of burdens, which in a highly evolved person means bearing the burden for the planet. I have enormous respect for its capacity to shoulder responsibility, which is unmatched by any of the signs.

Now, Pluto in Capricorn squares Saturn, so we're in a period that calls for atonement. Also suggested is some kind of judgment may be handed down.

Obama's Jupiter is the esoteric ruler of his chart per Alice Bailey's system. Being in the 12th with Saturn, I wonder if his shouldering of responsibility - and blame - and the confinements he is and will be subjected to are all part of his soul's purpose.

Something else I just read today about Aquarius that is revealing in the context of people like the Reverend Wright and Rick Warren:

"It is important to understand that the Aquarian type, who finds such affinity with the Eleventh House, is interested in problems and matters concerning his environment rather than people."

And again,

"The character of the people with whom he forms relationships interests him little."

Douglas Baker, "Esoteric Astrology." Part III

which may explain why Obama can relate to Rick Warren while overlooking his prejudice and intolerance of gays. (Gays are not allowed to be members of his church, unless they repent for their "sin.")

21/12/08 12:36 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Punishing Bush/Cheney would amount to scapegoating, meaning blaming them as the cause of our collective misfortune, banishing them so we could retain a sense of innocence.

Beautifully stated. Wonderful. I think this is one of the most important tasks at hand in order to move on.

I agree with your analysis of the Nixon-Ford episode and I think we were more naive then and probably weren't ready to face any of it yet. Also I think the cycle needed to be completed which it probably is now.

We have a chance to do this differently now.

I think this hinges on separating from our leadership and asserting some independence. Maybe that's all that needs to be done.

I think judgement(s) are definitely coming down. Saturn must do this as a moral and ethical force. It's such a fascinating subject since we never seem to know exactly what our crimes and misdemeanors are in the big picture. I think it was William Burroughs who wrote the book entitled Guilty of Everything. I like that.

The Pluto return is tying in our history of crime and the judgement and atonement seem to be taking on quite a large dimension.

I wonder if his shouldering of responsibility - and blame - and the confinements he is and will be subjected to are all part of his soul's purpose.

Yes. I was going to go into this since it does interest me as an astrological study. A lot of what he's doing has ceased to interest me but this 12th house setup is worth continuing. I'll do it. I have some karmic guesses too. It's a very heavy 12th.

You're absolutely right about the character of people and Aquarius. In fact, I almost posted an article on this. They don't identify with people so they can relate to them in ways other people miss. You are right about Warren and all those he's aligned with. Sometimes I think he misses the impact it creates though with his SN in the 1st and his unfamiliarity with close relationship rules. Very interesting. His Pluto is asking for some evolution in this regard. More sensitivity to others feelings and reactions, coming in from his Aquarian aloofness. I don't know if he fully grasps the effect on the gay community, how much he's hurting them. He probably doesn't care but the Pluto transit maybe is saying that he should.

I'm looking forward to continuing this, especially the exploration of Saturn and Capricorn. I've never been more interested than I am now.

Good stuff. I agree with Douglas.

21/12/08 5:26 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

I think it was William Burroughs who wrote the book entitled Guilty of Everything. I like that.

Stunning insight...just from the title alone.

21/12/08 7:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Exactly, mpk. I'm so glad we agree. That one stuck.

21/12/08 8:22 PM  

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