Venus and Neptune in Libra
posted by jm at 2:10 PM
Monday, October 09, 2006
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The world tonight was as distressed as most of us have been feeling. But they're coping. We are really all right, believe it or not. A librarian was yelling to a customer on the phone. Can you believe it? The library? That's when I knew it was a collective thing.
There are some specifics which I will try to cover as we go here. As I said this lunation was magnificent, good and bad. And the Pluto station. We will soon see the results. Pluto is probably guiding us through the major moment of the transit.
Meanwhile, breathing, trying to relax and communing with nature, as neith did today are all helpful. Listening to dire predictions right now is definitely not. No gods, goddesses, or leaders are coming to the rescue at the moment either.
The hate and fear really can be put on hold as we figure out the direction at these crossroads. The less you take in the less you will have to release later. I don't know if the media is trying to scare everybody about Korea or not, but it's all bluff and will pass.
Some lucky ones are detached enought to stay above the fear. I think that's great.
Anyhoo.
I know it's said that we're supposed to be in touch with our feelings and always processing the negativity, but sometimes it's also wise to let it lie. It's under the surface for a reason. And it's always there no matter how hard we try to rid ourselves of it. Circumstance creates different needs. It could very well be a time to let this diminish and to reaquaint ourselves with the pleasures of life. We'll know when confrontation is required. I think Pluto backing down has given us the go ahead.
As Pluto has been transiting our USA first house we've gone through an emotinal roller coaster that stunned even me, a person who is very well aquainted with this kind of thing.
Remember election night '04 when the nation wept? I hadn't seen that since the Kennedy assassination. I sobbed in the arms of my Moon/Saturn in Pisces friend in the locker room of my gym. Then all the terror and the beating relentlessly with 9/11 that was really after the fact. Now the Armageddon game.
Most of it is false drama. If you want to really feel negativity it's good to get to the personal source, and that's not even always necessary. Some people live without all the overwhelming fear of their darker sides quite successfully. They take it naturally as it comes. So it is entirely individualistic. Some are moving away from intense emotion in their incarnation, some moving toward.
I think this society has looked at quite a bit and might be ready to move on.
I know it's said that we're supposed to be in touch with our feelings and always processing the negativity, but sometimes it's also wise to let it lie. It's under the surface for a reason. And it's always there no matter how hard we try to rid ourselves of it. Circumstance creates different needs.
I just stopped by to say how much I like the picture you chose for this post . . . :-)
Neptune is still very much in play, so many distortions out there. And I too believe that we need to take breaks from processing our "dark" side. It's just nuts to think we have to do it all at once! Survival instincts say not to do that . . . and i trust mine.
Oh neith. Thanks for your wise words. We'll be seeing a nice upswing shortly. Man, we earned it.
And are you ever right about Neptune.
Well. One of my clients ended up ranting at her client today, over the phone to me. I was supposed to receive some job materials, but they fell through the cracks, and the communications were confused all week. I'm glad they weren't blaming me for the delays. :-) She said that because she was not in a good mood today, she therefore wanted everything to happen "the right way" for once! Sometimes I wonder why these people go into business, if it aggravates them so much when things aren't perfect. And why anyone would expect things to go smoothly just because they're already in a bad mood, I don't know.
"Remember election night '04 when the nation wept?"
Yes...some activists I know were just numb and tearful. I promised them that it could not last for long, and that there was more to do than work for an eleventh hour paladin promising rescue. Hmm, come to think of it, they stopped talking to me for a long while after that.
"I think this society has looked at quite a bit and might be ready to move on."
It's like being inoculated.
" It could very well be a time to let this diminish and to reaquaint ourselves with the pleasures of life."
A most excellent idea. I'm going to do just that. You folks are an inspiration. :-)
You folks are an inspiration. :-)
OMG Kadi. So are you! I wondered if you were immune to this latest madness or not!
they stopped talking to me for a long while after that.
Your gain.
eleventh hour paladin promising rescue
That's pretty good.
I think this society has looked at quite a bit and might be ready to move on.
It's like being inoculated.
My take exactly.
I got a book out of the libe tonight called The great Rivers of the World and it is absolutely beautiful. Thick, heavy and full of gorgeous photos. I'll share some with you.
Thank you life.
I promised them that it could not last for long, and that there was more to do than work for an eleventh hour paladin promising rescue. Hmm, come to think of it, they stopped talking to me for a long while after that.
ROFL . . . . oh, and I'm sure they were a great loss . . . :-)
jm - we're going to make it for sure . . . a breather coming up now that Saturn begun to move on past your Saturn. What amazed me was how quickly I felt the energy lighten up after the aspect was exact. One of the many reasons I've become a big fan of Betty Lunsted's approach to transits.
OMG neith are you ever right. Add the Pluto station opposite my Venus and I'm in the vise grip. You warned me and I didn't listen:-). But I will certainly listen to this prognosis of lightening up!
Thanks my wonderful, lovable friend.
Me immune? Well, nothing too bad so far. I'll keep my fingers and toes crossed. :-)
Life has enough real tragedies, and moments of clarity that uplift from despair. So, what is the daily dose of drama compared to that?
The presidential elections were tremendously disturbing but they didn't make me weep; they made me more determined to make a difference in my own life. It's an ongoing endeavor.
I think it helps that I've felt the touch of spirit a few times in my life, and to have known people who brilliantly exemplify the joy of, and deep engagement in, life. Pragmatic optimists and practical idealists, people with their heads in the clouds (Neptune) but their feet firmly on earth (Saturn). I imagine it must be much harder for people who haven't opened as much to life's grace, and that makes them more susceptible to drama and desperate action.
Touch magic, pass it on.
It mostly comes from people interacting in a good way.
I feel well, aspects and all. (Although, my father was in the hospital for six weeks this summer. We visited him nearly every day.) The pressure for me was more in the build up. I'm feeling positive about moving forward. It's about time.
I just read an article suggesting to take the scary Neptune-Saturn energy, and use it positively to make dreams (Neptune) real (Saturn). Now, that would be magic.
"Hmm, come to think of it, they stopped talking to me for a long while after that."
"Your gain"
"ROFL . . . . oh, and I'm sure they were a great loss . . . :-)"
Yeah, you two are prolly right. Every time I said, Don't worry about the drama but just notice the little background shifts along the way adding up to real change and you'll see what I mean, I could almost hear them thinking, Oh, what are you talking about.
I can sum up one acquaintance's bitter reaction to any bit of positive news as "Little shifts mean nothing in the face of The Great and Terrible Diebold" and "The Republicans ate our breakfast and they're going to eat our lunch and dinner too!" Then I'd think, Gee, if I was in the trenches in a real battlefield, that's the last guy I'd want anywhere near us. We'd have to give the poor fellow a good knock on the head to put him out. :-)
"The mending may not be what is necessary."
Aw....Bless-a-kj. At least you opened a door. Walking through is up to them. They may still have lessons to learn.
You of course know that if you let relationships go that have served their purpose, you'll find that new things eventually come along to fill the space that was left. :-)
"What blows my mind are the ones that can't see it is the same energy as what the misadministration is using... hate, fear, intolerance."
Yeppers....For a time, they play into the hands of their opposition, who polarize people to divide and conquer them.
"Five years on-line with these battles. Just a tired, beat old horse."
Would you like to drink some pure water? And here's some fresh sweet apples we can share, while we enjoy the morning light.
Kad you've said some wonderful things as usual. It's amazing when people come up with solid ideas of how to deal with these problems.
Life has enough real tragedies, and moments of clarity that uplift from despair. So, what is the daily dose of drama compared to that?
This is a gem. So completely true. After tragedies in my life I savor the times without. We're fortunate to have so few, most of us.
The presidential elections were tremendously disturbing but they didn't make me weep; they made me more determined to make a difference in my own life. It's an ongoing endeavor.
It really is ongoing and the experience actually made me make a leap. Ultimately. Maybe another one is forthcoming.
I can sum up one acquaintance's bitter reaction to any bit of positive news as "Little shifts mean nothing in the face of The Great and Terrible Diebold" and "The Republicans ate our breakfast and they're going to eat our lunch and dinner too!" Then I'd think, Gee, if I was in the trenches in a real battlefield, that's the last guy I'd want anywhere near us.
I thought that too about these people. They're actually lucky they haven't experienced these situations where survival is really at stake. I hope they would be able to better calculate the real danger.
I was stunned as I saw the magnification of each little daily event as an omnipotent force out to get the people. I became a little worried about the psychological health of my society. Paranoia is rather unpleasant.
Maybe after the Saturn/Neptune things will be more in perspective.
Would you like to drink some pure water? And here's some fresh sweet apples we can share, while we enjoy the morning light.
I'd like to share in that if I could.
Kadimiros
It just dawned on me why you understand this Saturn/Neptune thing so well and why it means so much to you.
You're a Capricorn with Pisces rising. Saturn/Neptune is your life!
I hope you will explain everything.
"I'd like to share in that if I could."
Absolutely. Some nice crisp apples. Pies, too.
"You're a Capricorn with Pisces rising. Saturn/Neptune is your life!"
LOL! Yes, I saw that. Well, it must be that or Uranus/Jupiter, I guess. I wonder what a Pisces with Capricorn rising would say.
"I hope you will explain everything."
Sigh, if only it were so easy to do away with fanatic vision and paranoia, both. :-) The one says, There's no other way, we have to go get them. The other says, there's no escape, they're gonna get us.
To me, Neptune symbolizes the inspiration or idealism, and Saturn the crystalization into form. So I was interested to see how you writers were chatting the other night about your editing processes.
Maybe we can say that the world of form is beginning to take its hardest look at what it has shaped from the world of ideals and imagination over the past 35 years. To ask, How did we get to this point? And then to ask itself how it really wants to feel in another couple of decades.
I wonder what a Pisces with Capricorn rising would say.
Good question.
Neptune symbolizes the inspiration or idealism, and Saturn the crystalization into form. So I was interested to see how you writers were chatting the other night about your editing processes.
I found that conversation fascinating. Enjoyed it tremendously. I'm glad you picked up on it.
As I mentioned I'm learning right now about this addition of form to the initial amoebic output.
Saturn can restrict the formlessness of Neptune or it can give the vaporous imaginative element the perfect structure. I wonder if Neptune needs Saturn more than Saturn needs Neptune.
Neptune really resists the charts, graphs, solidity, etc. of Saturn but the crystallization in theory can make the perfect jewel we were talking about earlier. With the ellusive light factor.
Maybe we can say that the world of form is beginning to take its hardest look at what it has shaped from the world of ideals and imagination over the past 35 years. To ask, How did we get to this point? And then to ask itself how it really wants to feel in another couple of decades.
I think this is absolutey right.
How can an individual affect the process now?
And BTW, apple pies! I LOVE them. The cinnamon and all.
!kj!!
Eos is my nickname, named by my infant son who later told me that he simply remembered my name.
Eos -Jm and i spoke of her once on another site, could be Venus in her morning star guise.
I think of Eos as
Dancing along violet ridges
she sweeps away the stars
opens the gate for the sun
not a poem as i am not a poet but the words i associte with her.
That lull before dawn
when neither crow nor raven speak.
And personally i think that some small adjustment to your original poem would sing better than the so harshly cut "edited" version. Something got lost i believe that sang to me in the first version. Spare can be good. Places held for the imagination of the reader needed but too spare takes away the vision you were sharing...
Not that i know anything about writing...a painter who struggles with similar, i no longer draw preceeding painting, i often write, haiku, if i can winnow it down to 17 syllables i know i have the essence. Then i grab the brush and let it pour out.
Ha, i had to go find my sketch/notebook some years old, looking for the series i did of Eos, the dawnbringer. Two paintings of the Oregon coast-sea rocks and waves lapping the shore. (early '90s)Here were the words:
Early light
Sweeps away the Stars
Blushes the Sea pink
In the lull before Dawn
Neither Crow nor Raven Speak.
A sense of reverence hushes the world waiting for the sun, a sort of breathless moment. Why i arise so early. I can't bear to miss it.
"And BTW, apple pies! I LOVE them. The cinnamon and all."
And ice cream!
"I wonder if Neptune needs Saturn more than Saturn needs Neptune."
I guess the perspective depends on the context. Theoretically, two sounds of opposite phase and equal amplitude can neutralize each other, and the result is -- silence. Suggestive of how formlessness may contain all possible forms in "potential". Everything and nothing.
There's something very valuable in earthly experience. It's like the theme from New York, New York, "If I can make it here, I'm gonna make it anywhere." :-)
I picture a child running in the playground. How will she react to life, and to falls and scrapes?
A bridge over dust, a river run dry.
A child watching clouds who refuses to cry.
or
A child reaches out, tugging my hand.
Growth springs from play, new thoughts unplanned.
Metaphorically, I would think that Neptune carries the raison d'etre. For most, Saturn appears as extrinsic or consensus reality.
Distortion and misemphasis contracts vision, enables apathy and cynicism, or maybe with other factors, their mad cousins, fanaticism and paranoia. We can also daydream life away and be vastly disappointed in it. The middle way lets inspiration inform our use of structure, thinks outside of the box to arrive at new solutions, lets reflections on experience guide our steps. Creative thinking and thoughtful creativity.
"Neptune really resists the charts, graphs, solidity, etc. of Saturn but the crystallization in theory can make the perfect jewel we were talking about earlier. With the ellusive light factor."
Too much Saturn kills potential; too little leaves it unrealized. For the ideal or potential to be realized, it has to express and explore itself in some way. As individuals, we must pick among options. I don't think we're responsible (Saturn) for every possibility (Neptune). They'll come out in other ways in the world we recognize, or in other universes in the multiverse.
It's a more curious polarity than Jupiter-Saturn. What appears in the realm of time/space are unique, idiosyncratic expressions of the ideal, and contribute to the whole, as incarnate personalities are each legitimate extensions of their soul into time/space. Your elusive light factor.
In college, I had a part-time job at an audiotext business. I converted a lot of voice recordings to digital format. Then I had to edit to save individual words, phrases, sentences or longer blocks of speech. I had to listen finely, to distinguish fractions of a second. The work, dry and confining as it may seem, had the extra benefit of enhancing the ability to meditate.
"How can an individual effect the process now?"
What do you think? My guess is to first look at what people have been saying or doing, and then take that further if possible.
Take pauses for refreshment and, importantly, for reflection.
Consolidate, simplify, construct, give Saturn something specific to do. Maybe examine how we've already had the experience of relating Neptune and Saturn in some way.
Make time for the timeless, and bring timelessness into time.
Knowing that we are the process makes a difference. Claiming the choice inside, changing the dynamic internally, and then it radiates and broadcasts. Entering into an intimate, ongoing dialogue with life, and then the dialogue unfolds itself as experience.
Then, we can all draw on the lessons of experience when looking at issues presented to us.
Saturn and Neptune obviously relate to Maya, the game of life.
When I was visiting my father (Sun in Leo) in the hospital, I played chess a few times with him. I generally don't care to play as it tries my patience, but he enjoys it. He likes chess for the variety of situations and alternative moves that evolve as play proceeds.
The expert player, the grandmaster, computes no more than a move or two ahead. The grandmaster looks at the chess board, looks for familiar patterns, and from that recognizes the optimal move from remembered experience. The beginner computes more moves ahead, takes longer to decide, stumbles more.
So, knowing the basic rules, and then it is memory and pattern recognition more than linear computation. The master's skill is the graceful reward from love of the game, and playing against good opponents to improve himself. When he has mastery from experience, then can he conserve energy for when its truly needed, for the most interesting scenarios. To arrive there, he goes through the beginner's stage.
Hey, I found an amusing tidbit, for what it's worth. The Sabian symbol for 18 Aquarius, the first exact opposition on August 31, 2006, is: "A man being unmasked. Secret motives may have purpose at the time, but they almost invariably become known in time. Secret motives being exposed. Having to face one's self. Coming to terms with judgments about one's true worth."
It's the "truth of yesterday", but possibly revealing an unhappier face than does my recent poetic exercise.
kj what a fascinating demonstration.
I think I concur with tseka in that an in-between of the two versions would work. I too missed some of the first.
Amazing about the name connection.
we can leave them, if we want, or edit them, if we want.
And in the end many choices work. What drives me crazy is looking for the perfecr combo, and I know it doesn't exist. Poetry is more forgiving than that.
I would think songs would want the words that described the dressing. Poems can be a snapshot, but songs incorporate rhythm and flow around the words.
You are absolutely 1000% right on this. That's why my songs don't read well as poetry and why I like to write poems outside of the music. Entirely different. I'm so glad you said this.
Kad there is tons here. Back in a sec.
i no longer draw preceeding painting, i often write, haiku, if i can winnow it down to 17 syllables i know i have the essence. Then i grab the brush and let it pour out.
I simply cannot imagine not drawing before painting and have them look as representational as they do. Amazing.
Apple pie and ice cream. Home sweet home. Slightly warm so the ice cream can melt around the pie a little bit.
There's something very valuable in earthly experience.
There'd better be!
Then I think Neptune would be leaning into Saturn in order to influence us.
I feel now with the transit that Neptune wants the paranoia and delusion to diminish and Saturn is the vehicle. We'll see as the rhetoric is staying in the same delusional broken record groove, but it appears to me that the people overall are a tiny bit less susceptible.
Metaphorically, I would think that Neptune carries the raison d'etre
Could be.
I don't think we're responsible (Saturn) for every possibility (Neptune). They'll come out in other ways in the world we recognize, or in other universes in the multiverse.
I read something in my science magazine on this last night and I'll post it later.
What appears in the realm of time/space are unique, idiosyncratic expressions of the ideal, and contribute to the whole, as incarnate personalities are each legitimate extensions of their soul into time/space. Your elusive light factor.
Well put. I think it also might appear random, these expressions. It's almost like Saturn is the net to catch them when they come in. So part of the job is just keeping the nets in good shape.
I had to listen finely, to distinguish fractions of a second. The work, dry and confining as it may seem, had the extra benefit of enhancing the ability to meditate.
So interesting. It would seem then that the linear time factor is not an absolute and that within this structure is hidden the infinite always. The structure can either be a deterrent or a path.
Programming my drum machines was like this when I was listen so intently for hours daily. Hearing nuance. Imagination and reality combined. I was frustrated somewhat with the limitaion of reality but enchanted at the same time with it's use as a vehicle.
poetic exercise.
That alone is something we can do. It seems to be happening automatically as the poetry here indicates. I think we've been listening to the repetetive uninspired public dialog and now have no choice but to add our own Neptunian slant. Some will continue blindly, others will feel for a new path.
That's what Neptune does. Blinds and reroutes. Creates new neural pathways in the visual part of the cortex, I believe. Saturn is the earthly manifestaion of the new path, and hopefully this will be apparent at the end of this transit.
Maybe just exercising this vision among ourselves in a concentrated ongoing way is a major contribution now.
Not drawing before painting...
i think it must be somewhat akin to what you and KJ and Juju were speaking of, discussing the process of writing, editing, deleting. As soon as i touch the paper the line leaves a psychic residue, instead of letting a line lead me i let the vision lead and the painting itself takes over carrying me along in its wake.
It would surprise me if this is not shared among you all here -this creative process of surrender.??
As Kad said of the grandmaster of chess,skill is the graceful reward from love of the game,
But we don't get to skip the steps until we have put in the time to master the techinque.
Just more Neptune and Saturn purling along together.
But we don't get to skip the steps until we have put in the time to master the techinque.
Just more Neptune and Saturn purling along together.
This has been my experience too . . . no getting around a solid grounding in the basic concepts.
Just more Neptune and Saturn purling along together.
Like it.
It would surprise me if this is not shared among you all here -this creative process of surrender.??
That's exactly it of course. I think that's where a healthy ego can help.
I get to a point where I'm afraid that that moment of surrender won't come and I will be destined to keep struggling, but, of course, it always does. I can't help but work with ways to get to this state, but that probably already negates it. Best to let it come and go. It's the boss anyway.
skill is the graceful reward from love of the game
It's really so simple.
"I feel now with the transit that Neptune wants the paranoia and delusion to diminish and Saturn is the vehicle."
That makes sense for the opposition when viewed as a cycle. It's certainly the opportunity, when we arrive at the point where fears must be examined/dissolved and existing structures/strategies for managing external reality fall into question. The opposite of fear is trust, so a shifting and questioning of where to place trust makes sense.
"I think it also might appear random, these expressions. It's almost like Saturn is the net to catch them when they come in. So part of the job is just keeping the nets in good shape."
Hmmm! Yes. In keeping with the crystalization theme, the Net of Indra which I mentioned a while back, infinite reflection on reflection. Dazzling to the eye, possibly frightening to the confused and insecure.
"Hearing nuance. Imagination and reality combined. I was frustrated somewhat with the limitaion of reality but enchanted at the same time with it's use as a vehicle."
Yes, it occurs to me that it's like what we get with poetry that has a sacred aspect, too. The reverent emergence from silence. More than mere description, the resonances of sound, breath, rhythm, and meaning/significance, chords of creation struck and vibrating our bodies, minds and spirits. The awareness of presence.
So, maybe we could say that entering deeply into the moment intensifies awareness of subtleties and signals that otherwise escape our awareness because they are too quick or too slow for our usual perceptual filters.
Our creations, art or life experiences, have heightened interest when they have soul, reflecting something larger than mundane levels of description. So the structure -- Saturn, the gemstone -- evolves to mirror and carry the implied messages -- Neptune, suggested by the flickering light factor.
If you could travel faster and faster, approaching the speed of light, alongside a ray of light, the amount of time and of distance between the beginning and end of the ray shrinks, until there's no separation.
The structure of time and space (the net) may be created by light as interference patterns of energy bouncing back and forth to make recurring patterns. Matter is like ripples of condensed energy on the surface of the ocean.
"Maybe just exercising this vision among ourselves in a concentrated ongoing way is a major contribution now."
I think so, too. We're strengthening mental muscles, making new neural circuits as you say.
There's an intriguing chess-themed story that is pertinent to the Saturn and Neptune relationship. I'll dig it up later.
That makes sense for the opposition when viewed as a cycle. It's certainly the opportunity, when we arrive at the point where fears must be examined/dissolved and existing structures/strategies for managing external reality fall into question. The opposite of fear is trust, so a shifting and questioning of where to place trust makes sense.
I believe you nailed it.
You are so right about the opposition pointing out the choice. So right. I haven't heard any astrologer say this. Are you sure you're not an ace?
I agree and verifies what I think about Saturn being the light catcher. The dream catcher in this.
Also what we surrender to and immerse ourselves in. The tragic behavior of our leaders is not our identity individually. Maybe the transit can point out where the individual alignment is and then we can separate and choose our path to an extent within the collective need.
"I haven't heard any astrologer say this."
Really??? I'm just speculating freely.
"Maybe the transit can point out where the individual alignment is and then we can separate and choose our path to an extent within the collective need."
Now, there's a job for a real astrologer, not I. :-)
Okay, here is the bedtime story I promised, for any who don't know it and who may be interested. I'll try to give the gist. It has a shivery end.
Rudy Rucker, a scientist and author, engaged in a series of talks with Kurt Godel, a logician, mathematician, and philosopher of mathematics, famous for his Incompleteness Theorems.
In high school geometry, we are taught that it is possible to start with a small set of axioms that appear obviously true, and from them prove many other propositions (theorems). The implied dream seems to be to find a way to capture Truth. Godel proved, using mathematical logic, that it is in principle impossible to create a finite system of knowledge that can prove every statement that can be known to be true -- no finite system can define Truth.
Rucker points out that anyone can say that science does not have all the answers, and that the remarkable thing is that Godel formulated a rigorous mathematical proof that mathematics itself must forever be incomplete.
He proved this in 1931, many decades ago, yet scientists merrily go on pursuing the Theory Of Everything, and well may they do so. Rucker makes the metaphor that in the labyrithine castles in the air they build, there are endlessly many halls and stairs to explore, but ultimate success eludes, and "there is no final exit to absolute truth."
He says, however, that "if one understands the maze well enough, one can leap out of the system and experience the Absolute for oneself." (We could say that mastery of the lessons of the subSaturn domains enables us to reach beyond them.)
Rucker suggests that machines and mathematics will never have all of the answers, and "there will always be room for a creative person who can think of a better way of doing things."
Rucker and Godel also talked about topics such as free will, the illusion of time, and the basic mystical teaching that mind is everywhere rather than only in people's heads. Godel explained that it is possible for our minds to directly perceive the infinite and the absolute.
One day, Rucker dreamed that he was standing at Godel's bedside. There was a chessboard on the bedcover. In the dream, Godel suddenly tilted the chessboard, and all the chess pieces fell onto the floor. The chessboard expanded and became an infinite mathematical plane, which then vanished. Symbols flashed briefly before Rucker's perception. Then came an emptiness flooded with even white light, and the dream ended. The next day, Rucker learned that Godel had died.
Wonderful story Kadimiros.
Lots of truthin it.
Wow, Kad.
This Saturn/Neptune is taking on a lot of dimension. I love where it's going.
What a perfect way to illuminate. Stories like this.
"This Saturn/Neptune is taking on a lot of dimension. I love where it's going."
They're powerful symbols.
"What a perfect way to illuminate. Stories like this."
Yeah, stories are wonderful as teachings and, of course, in and of themselves. They connect ideas with the senses and feelings. It's like connecting opposites, again. Then, there is a spark, impact, people start to get it, something interesting happens in their minds and they start to see in a refreshed, maybe enriched, way.
"An impulse is released, people chime in (interfere and bounce) and make recurring patterns? In other words, creating a Net of Indra?
...As in, our reactions to Joe's egg? What we see, feel. Our individual contributions to the collective unconscious?"
To me, when ideas are clarified and expressed in words, it is like drawing down, pulling together, and condensing thoughtforms from the mental level of reality. They aren't just adding passive viewpoints, they somehow become capable of resonating energy, and transforming it. It changes the world and mass consciousness a little bit in some way.
It's like the way that the ancients are said to have built a network of stone works (some of which have become buried underground) around the planet. These collect, transform, and channel cosmic and terrestrial forces, balancing and stabilizing the planet.
Art and architecture do this, too. Under the right conditions, effects have been observed on plants.
"And I guess for me, what's been brought to the forefront is making a conscious decision about which Net of Indra I want to be a part of."
Well, being sure about what kind of contribution you want to make.
"Bottom line: We 'enter deeply.' Which is tsecka's 'Surrender.'
Nice observation!
I'm here for the accumulated light. Everything that has been talked about are ideas and images and sounds I want to see spread outward. Waaaay outward.
It will automatically kj. It's the nature of light. I think many of us had to learn this. How to avoid dissipating energy attacking and absorbing too much pain and fear. All that precious life force can be used to radiate from the graceful source.
In the end, all the hateful rants do nothing to the external situation, but only degrade the person saying these things. Not that there isn't a place for some of it, but too much makes it meaningless.
The group applause for this behavior worries me more. All of it can lead to mob hysteria.
precious life force can be used to radiate from the graceful source
The key.
Am I a terrible person? Because I don't care anymore. Right now, I'm so done with the collective
What do you call us?
kj i like the "loomed" too.
She was weaving birds and light?
i would need to read the poem again...
Interesting that we both see her with shore images...this is fun.
For years i was called Eos by all my friends i had no clue of her mythic identity until i was doing a crossword - my presleep activity in days gone by. I had to leap out of bed find a dictionary and then knew i had a job ahead to paint the images. Even though i see her dancing the violet ridges of this desert, opening the gate, it was the sea turning pink and the shore birds in reverent silence that attached themselves to her. How did you find her images? i am curious. But feel free not to share if it is still as juju says held apart not to "jinx" the process of writing.
The key.
I love this word. I think we spend our lives seeking the key that fits the current lock we find ourselves behind.
Back to doors. We open them, pass through, and find another locked door. There is a certain ecstasy in putting a key into a hole that fits.
I think we're already at mob hysteria.
I think you're right kj. We are wrong to contribute. The guilt should be for participating not walking away.
I just walked away from an ugly situation this week, no pondering, just walking, and I was immediately rewarded.
EGGS!!!!!
they are three of the one ~
Eos who carries the light into day
Eoster who carries light energy into earth /seed to reawaken the plants. -spring
Ellen who carries it through the darkest days underground (possibly electo-magnetic) and enlightens the "tomas" the void at solstice. (actually the GC for it is the pause- before solstice)
They are the women who have the thread in their ears connected to the light = memory.
Beautiful story Kj and i believe that truth - the seam between earth, sea and sky is the place of seers.
ja the birds are silent in the time of Eos, they wait, the cries come with the first rays of sun....after the gate is opened.
Eos, Eoster, and Ellen all are the ones who open the gates...
No, not on backs of paintings, sometimes a part of a title...
There is a tradition in Japanese woodblock printing to join poety and prints, calligraphy; A Toji of
Works. Sometimes i create these little books for shows. The word image next to the paintings.
The haiku form is a way to focus my enthusiasm or passion i guess, sometimes i get so moved by an image that i feel like i am spilling out all over, formless, the words help to manifest the sensation. A different kind of "drawing". Drawing an image into being, an invitation.
More Saturn / Neptune perhaps.
stories are wonderful as teachings and, of course, in and of themselves. They connect ideas with the senses and feelings
Especially the in and of themselves.
I think stories are exactly like songs. The mind changes to receive them and like songs, they have been one of the greatest sources of comfort throughout man's history. Probably different electrochemistry in the brain is aroused. Like smelling apple pie and knowing what's ahead, I think the formality of storytelling does the same.
We gather around a central source...a fire, a storyteller, a stage, and expect to be transported from our everyday agonies. There is an entirely different mental frame.
I almost became a filmmaker and today's stories in that medium are very disappointing to me. I still like children's films a bit but I've thought for a long time that the attempt to mimic reality are not what stories should do. I look for an otherworldy transcendental characteristic even if the story appears real.
Simply, I think the excursion into fantasy is one of our greatest comforts and ideally I wish that those talented in this area would do the best job possible to uplift.
"the attempt to mimic reality are not what stories should do"
I so agree.
I suppose that scrupulously portraying only the surface of reality is the role of documentary films and photographs. I remember one artist (she painted and she also made huge fine art banners from rich fabrics) who asserted that when the camera was invented to take over that duty, it forever freed artists to truly explore.
I think that many a child's soul has been saved by a story.
when the camera was invented to take over that duty, it forever freed artists to truly explore.
Very very very VERY good thought.
I lost all interest in our modern day film stars when they got so real and lost the Thespian dimension. They no longer move their faces, and actually plastic surgicize to make them even more immobile. Meryl Streep is one of the great bad ones to me, and oh how she is applauded. She does every technical thing right and her face never moves. The camera tries to do the emoting. It's hideous. Talk about soul, or lack thereof.
A sense of looming:
The vertical extension of an object due to abnormal refraction, making it appear unusually tall. The word 'loom' is also used in such expressions as 'the loom of a light' or 'the loom of the land' when the light or the land cannot be seen directly, but its presence is inferred from reflections seen in the sky, or from other optical effects.
"She does every technical thing right and her face never moves."
LOL! Yes, isn't that scary. Remember, she starred in Death Becomes Her, where she plays a character who literally becomes a walking stiff.
HA HA HA HA HA!!
I knew you'd understand. Can you imagine? I get as stiff as she was in Death Becomes Her just imagining what they'll do to me for criticising their great icon. Thanks for letting me squeak by on this!
Oh well. It seems to be deification of zombies time in popular culture.
I miss Frankenstein! Now that guy had soul.
I remember a Goldie Hawn interview where she described the orignal ending shot for the movie, before the movie was revised for faster pace and impact.
In it, Hawn's character and Streep's character are seated at a table in a public place. They are quite bored, trying to think of something to do. They still appear youthful. They suddenly espy the man that they'd once fought over. He is now elderly, and he is obviously enjoying a happy day with his wife (Tracey Ullman, whose role was entirely deleted from the movie because the ending was changed).
Streep's character sniffs, turns away, and says something disdainful. Probably something about how he's aged or wasted his opportunities. She obviously cherishes her eternally youthful appearance, despite the hidden inconveniences caused by her untimely fall.
Hawn's codependent character agrees in response, but her word is belied by her wistful expression as her gaze lingers on the happy couple.
"Oh well. It seems to be deification of zombies time in popular culture.
I miss Frankenstein! Now that guy had soul."
More than his maker, for sure.
Wonder how the popularity of zombies mocks society. Eat or be eaten. A brain is a terrible thing to waste. A consumer society of mindlessly living dead.
Interesting Kad, the endings. It's encouraging that this was even conceived of really. Somebody's trying.
A consumer society of mindlessly living dead.
Our compatriots? Oh shoot.
I think the monsters of the time reveal the character of the soceity. Actually today's are ugly slime producing types so maybe they have incarnated from zombieism to something a little more alive!
I was a Blob child.
Eat or be eaten
That fits the time.
Come to think of it, some godawful digusting substance is always coming out of the mouths of their monsters so maybe it IS the expression of all the over consumption.
Funny, how self loathing manifests in general.
From the looming definitions upthread:
the opposite of looming is sinking
Good luck with that!
The loom could be another poem wanting to come out.
Maybe consider making Eos the weaver of morning, like tseka asked, "She was weaving birds and light?"
I've been able to cross the threshold from politics back to the depths that are my home.
You can't imagine how glad I am that we helped facilitate this kj. I've done it completely and permanently myself and it has not been easy. I strayed far from my source of pleasure but now that I'm returning I expect renewed sensation in that area. Politics is not my game.
Never again will I willingly walk into pain, nor through other people's tortured minds.
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