Thursday, February 15, 2007

North Node in Libra or the Seventh House

The Libra NN is seeking the best in one-on-one relationship. They have innate talent for sharing with others, and have a genuine interest in what they are all about...likes, dislikes, quirks, habits, routines, favorite songs, fears, dreams, ....everything. Lasting companionship based on true reciprocity is the goal. People who are there for them. Because of the SN memory of aloneness, ideally they are ready, and the most willing to participate in this kind of partnership.
Lovability. People adore them. No question, no conditions. They like them for who they are and sense their instinct for harmony. At first the SN goes along with it, but often the fear arises that the other will be gone, so the separation is initiated. Still the people love them and wait.
Marriage and friendship. Often the SN Aries are embarrassed with the choices they've made and feel they will never find the right one. While others take it in stride, the NN in Libra sees a high stakes situation that can make or break the goodness of their lives. A great deal of pressure is on and often they will revert to their known solo selves to avoid the failures. Yet most I know still have the Aries trait of never giving up, and try again they do.
Justice and fairplay. No one is more balanced in judgement and willing to play by the rules established together than this node. The age old memory of extreme competition and winning every time simply adds energy to the game if working right, as the enjoyment and polite exercise of strategy win over personal victory. Often exhausted from playing the adversary, they are the fairest of the fair in resolving conflict and seeing that everyone gets a good deal. They are experts at mediation, and helping others sort out their interpersonal difficulties, when the SN isn't preoccupied with running from its own entanglements

Grace, beauty, and the sharing of aesthetics. NN Libras love enjoying the finer things in life with their partners and friends. A piano concert, the ballet, art shows, or a walk in a flowered park are heaven to this nodeholder. They love discussing the shared experience and hearing the opinions and insights of the participants. A play or movie with a light supper afterwords to go back through the plot and character portrayal, coming to a conclusion as to the meaning of the drama, is a delight no one enjoys more.
Fire to air. NN Libras are learning the pleasures of the intellect and are forgoing some of the fiery over-excitement of the SN Aries. Crisis, bombast, adrenalin, emergency and all the accompanying sensations are gladly given up for the peaceful meanderings of thoughts shared with intelligent people.
Interdependence. One of the most challenging aspects of the SN Aries is allowing the natural dependence of a complete relationship to balance their already well established self-sufficiency. Their biggest fear is that they will lose autonomy, their survival might be at stake in some way, not realizing that the independence will actually be reinforced. They will no longer have to work so hard to maintain it. They often don't get far enough into the experience to discover this, but once they do, they know that the independence often stays intact while the loneliness diminishes. Their well established knowledge of caring for themselves is often handed over to the partner, giving strength to both, the opposite of the weakness they fear will be the exchange. A lessening of dominance and leadership, allowing others to make decisions, proves to be a greater relief than they could have imagined, as the power is shared and cooperation comes easily. Patience, sensitivity, and consideration prove to be most enjoyable after all. You-ism turning to you-and-me-ism.
By far the most glorious trait of the NN in Libra is the ability to bring out the potential in others. The memory of strength and skilled survival are passed to those lucky enough to receive it when the energy is fully shared. In this consolidation, the NN Libra gets company, appreciation, loyalty, and even a probability of a future together. Projects in duo, including a fulfilling life with a companion, are in the stars for this person, when his Libran kindness is embraced. The lessons learned in Aries are brought to the North Node as the base of strength that will never be lost, and the balancing qualities of Libra are learned through new experience.

This is Mary and Sam. My aunt and uncle. Deceased at the moment. They had one of the best lifelong marriages I've known. Their companionship was fact.
Photo: Max Ernst and wife, Dorothea Tanning. Illustration: Claudia Maurner.

55 Comments:

Blogger Neith said...

Another really wonderful well-thought & presented post! jm, you are at the top of your game with these....so good to see!

And as one w/the North Node in the 7th house, this all is very familiar territory and very much my personal experience.

When we were discussing the Nodes in synastry the other day, having the Nodes in opposite houses, i.e., 1st/7th, it seems to create a good flow. After reviewing some prior relationships that involved my NN conjunct the other's ASC, I can safely say it's MUCH easier & more pleasant w/only the house position involved. In fact, it seems to be a very positive learning opportunity to me! The only caveat I can add is that it may work better when the individuals involved have made significant progress towards their North.

15/2/07 10:10 AM  
Blogger Neith said...

Oh yes, your aunt & uncle share an almost uncanny resemblance to one another. The way they sat for this photo makes it even more apparent. They look more like siblings than spouses.

15/2/07 10:11 AM  
Blogger jm said...

The only caveat I can add is that it may work better when the individuals involved have made significant progress towards their North.

This is what's so interesting. I've found that we do more of our North than we realize, even early on, but don't often notice being so repeatedly stressed by the South. I'm still agonized by my South, but that's largely because of all the Pluto transits now.

I have yet to figure out why some are so much more advanced than others. It's not self awareness, I don't think. I know one highly aware evolved person, who is still very much isolated and not liking it. Another is just about to get married to the "right" one finally. We'll see.

Interesting about my aunt and uncle. I often think the best relationships have this element.

Some of the inconveniences you mentioned having now are exacerbated by the Jupiter, not only in your 1st, but ruling the South.

This is what is so intriguing to me about interpretation. Jupiter can mean 1000 things.

15/2/07 1:54 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

1) Brilliant!! Standing ovation!!! :-) :-) :-)

2) ~adamant~ I'm gonna be the next 'Mary and Sam'! Yes m'am I will!! Not gonna settle for anyhting less! :-)

3) I'll be back later'ish with (lots of!) specific comments! :-)

4) But first, wanna also say: what a breath of fresh air this raging universe of yours is, jm! :-) I have been slowly back-reading over the past few days... Stumbled on a post or two that had me having a Big O... a feeling of yes yes yes... kindred spirit... :-) then a few places I went: hmm, I dunno about this, but let's find out more and see... lots of room for change and adjustment in my vast interior! :-) ... then last night, I was howling in recognition (of self and others) as I was reading a convo in a thread... Lots of gems in your raging universe, jm! :-) Enjoying discovering them and you... and ever more of myself (and others in my life) in the process!

OK. I have mundane stuff to attend to! Will be back!

Btw... I dunno what's up with this, but Blogger doesn't seem to like me... or is it Merc Retch? Again today, I was not able to see this post until hours after it was posted (even accounting for time zone differential). I see others ~are~ able to get in, as evidenced by Neith's comments... Oh well. The universe tempering my Aries ardor? ;-) :-D

15/2/07 2:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL!

The universe tempering my Aries ardor? ;-) :-D


I've noticed that with blogger. It seems to be the parent that knows best.

I agree about the conversations here. I don't think it could happen otherwise. To have such a stimulating collection of brilliant minds together from all over, chiming in whenever. It is a great treat for my packed Gemini 3rd house, and I find myself always looking forward to what everybody has contributed. I never get bored which is saying something for me.

Oh yes, Mercury's gone retro again. I don't pay much attention to them, myself. I just get repairs done mostly. Oil change this time.

15/2/07 2:19 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Popping back in quickly 'cause I just have to say this, and I hope you have a sense of humour!! ;-P :-D

My aunt and uncle. Deceased at the moment.

"OK folks, do not adjust your set!! We're working on this!! Mary and Sam will be back momentarily!!"

Like, I went downstairs to do the dishes and I kept looking over my shoulder expecting Mary and Sam to re-appear any moment now... :-D

(Oh man, I'm making one hell of a good first impression, aren't I? Yikes!)

~back to my mundane responsibilities I go!!~

15/2/07 2:20 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

We cross-posted again! :-)

15/2/07 2:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Mary and Sam lived in the same modest house most of their married life with their three adorable. lively children. He was a university professor, she was politically active.
They were all people lovers, Mary especially. She was my father's sister.

Sam was a Taurus, Mary, an Aquarius. (Pisces and Aqaurius dominate in my father's family). The combined fixed modality made for a lot of stability. I was amazed how content they were in that small house, never moving up and getting more. It might have something to do with values and the contentment of their relationship. And of course, his Taurus.

He played blues piano at the parties and Mary chatted. With everyone.

People enjoyed themselves around them, picking up on the harmony.

15/2/07 2:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL!!!! Yeaaaayyyyyy!!!

You got that one jane! I never know if anyone else will appreciate my slanted sense of humor.

15/2/07 2:32 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I will say this, though, about the Mercury retrograde in Pisces/Aquarius. It will be dancing around the Uranus/Neptune mutual reception and the Saturn opposition. Good time for otherworldy inspired communication, telepathy included. Nothing new around here.

15/2/07 2:49 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

You got that one jane! I never know if anyone else will appreciate my slanted sense of humor.

I did . . . and chuckled. And you know Kad & tseka rarely miss your quips either . . . in fact, they usually run with them!

15/2/07 3:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL neith. You know, I learned after the family started dying how not-dead they all really are.

Kad & tseka run into alternate universes with my quips. Even I have to work to keep up with them.
This Merc retro should be fun, with the likes of them.

15/2/07 3:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The one thing you said one day that still makes me laugh is...

Neptune, get thee behind me

15/2/07 3:12 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Wow, jm, I dunno if I can stand the wait until we come around to my nodes! :o) Even though you spent a great deal of time describing my SN and NN around Christmastime. I guess I'm really having a case of astro-greed around knowing myself better.

15/2/07 3:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I guess I'm really having a case of astro-greed around knowing myself better.

Ha ha!! A very common ailment.
Your nodes are coming up soon, fortunately. The astro-doctor is busy so you're on your own till then! Lot's of astro ailments going around..:-)

15/2/07 3:36 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

It's a sickness we all benefit from, for a change! :o)

15/2/07 3:37 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ha! Ha! JM! your aunt and uncle deceased ant the moment! Oh my. Maybe time to talk to Zelda and Myrtle Rae...

Just loved the photos.

Between you and Neith who expands this "lesson" a clear picture is unfolding.

15/2/07 4:12 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Wow good comments too.

Hej, welcome Jane from Toronto.
Not to worry blogger is often unpredictable. We have all experienced the vagaries of blogger.

I think it is now time for me to look at some of the charts of my friends as well as family. Your comment," relationships that involved my NN conjunct the other's ASC, I can safely say it's MUCH easier & more pleasant w/only the house position involved" I believe you may be correct. Speaking from the Asc side who is conjoining someone's NN i've often been perplexed by things that are now finding some clarity through these discussions.

Several people in my life have planets that conjoin my first house NN and that has been lovely. And now that i know it, relations with folk who have planets conjoining my SN in 7th Virgo have been tense. Or is it only my Sag sun / aqu ASC who bristles at the Virgo control issues? More time to observe required.

15/2/07 4:26 PM  
Blogger jm said...

We have all experienced the vagaries of blogger.

Heheh.

relations with folk who have planets conjoining my SN in 7th Virgo have been tense. Or is it only my Sag sun / aqu ASC who bristles at the Virgo control issues? More time to observe required.

All of the above. Yours is an especially tense set-up with the ruling Uranus in Cancer, then the Cancer Moon in Virgo near the node. Lots of Virgo pull. I find that people come to the South when we need to get something worked out there. I do Hail Marys and Oh no's, though, when they come cha cha-ing to my South. Maybe they tap around our North when we feel a reward is due, or a growth spurt is ready. Everyone I know does both.

With you that old feeling that when I get everything squared away then I can slack off in Pisces ever ever land. Or maybe when you do go into that world something catches the corner of your amazing eye that needs some adjustment.

I have the same thing with Neptune in the Virgo 6th, but I let those glitches go, only allowing them to keep dogging me. After I trip over the vacuum cleaner enough times, I finally get down to it.

But I'm going on a strict vacuuming schedule. I will, I will, I will suck up the dust.

15/2/07 4:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Example.
Pluto, ruling my SN, is just opposite my Uranus and will be making a long station there (Hold on to your Sun, tseka!).

I'm getting blasted with SN issues and yesterday was one of the worst days of my recent life as Pluto rolled in like the monster he can be. All day I got it. Pain??? Sheesh! It was horrible! But knowing how things go, I luckily slept on it and today he's backed off. There's more coming, but I have a little understanding. This time around I'm working consciously at letting it go. Giving it no energy. Neither running from it or toward it. Learning Uranian detachment. This is the classic Aquarius/Scorpio square. With my SN there is no doubt whatsoever which side I'm on.

15/2/07 4:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And another nodal horror struck today. The transiting NN was in my 12th house so I decided to take a hiatus from outside work until the node went into the 11th. Of course, I was enjoying it and lost track of time. Today I noticed that it's about to leave.

JOB TIME!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm depressed.
But neith's reminder of how much I'm going to LOVE the world is helping...:-)

15/2/07 5:03 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

A wave hello to everybody! :-)

And a hug to jm for your horrible Plutonian yesterday! :-( (((jm)))

I'm torn now... I have a long, long reply, on topic at last, to your post, jm, that is holding precariously in my cut and paste memory and that I risk losing if I don't plop it down here immediately... ...

I apologize in advance... it now intrudes on / interrupts the current convo :-(

(It's also very long, sorry...)

15/2/07 5:06 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

oh my... now just saw your latest comment jm

((((((jm))))))

xoxoxo

15/2/07 5:06 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

OK here goes before I irretrievably lose this puppy...

The Libra NN is seeking the best in one-on-one relationship.

I think this indeed sums up the Libra NN. And it is bang on for me.

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a genuine interest in what they [their partner] are all about... likes, dislikes, [...] ... everything.

Again: bang on for me.

This is further compounded for me by a kazillion other elements in my chart. Actually, my whole chart beautifully supports my NN. It's all wired in a way that makes sense. Once I saw it -- how it all comes together -- it totally changed how I perceived my future.

I now know what I need to do and where I need to go. Of course the 'seeing' is always easier than the 'doing'!

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Lasting companionship based on true reciprocity is the goal.

Two key words in there for me. And I have failed at 'achieving' them in the past, but now have a better sense of how to 'make them happen' 'next time'. "Lasting" and "reciprocity". ESSENTIAL to me.

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People who are there for them.

I have failed miserably at picking such mates. Whole other story, for another time.

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Because of the SN memory of aloneness, ideally they are ready, and the most willing to participate in this kind of partnership.

Ready and willing indeed! Have been since age 4 or 5 when I was "caught" writing love notes with/to my "lover" on the back porch! It's family lore! :-)

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Lovability. People adore them. No question, no conditions.

Yes, and I am grateful for having been blessed with that attribute. In recent years, I have been duly ~humbled~ by my greater awareness of this blessing.

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At first the SN goes along with it, but often the fear arises that the other will be gone, so the separation is initiated.

I can't say I have had that fear or that I've done this, the preventive pulling away.

There's something else that plays out for me, similar but different... I'll leave it for later.

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Marriage [...] Often the SN Aries are embarrassed with the choices they've made and feel they will never find the right one. While others take it in stride, the NN in Libra sees a high stakes situation that can make or break the goodness of their lives.

Ah, yes, very, very true. ~pause for a huge sigh of deep sadness~

This one is still raw. I'm still recuperating from the biggest 'mistake' (I know, there are no 'mistakes') of my life. I used to say I did not have a single regret, when looking back at my life. That has changed. I do have one huge regret and I am still working on making peace with it. (I don't care how much of a necessary 'lesson' or 'opportunity for growth' it was.)

Basically, it involves having made a choice of partner that I wish I had not.

I've been 'divorced' almost three years now (post that 15-year unfortunate detour) -- the longest I have ever been single. But I am adamant about not getting into that kind of situation ever again.

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...often they will revert to their known solo selves to avoid the failures.

I've indeed reverted back to my solo self, but not as a permanent state. This is a deliberate choice that is meant to be temporary.

My whole life blew up some years ago -- on all fronts at once -- and I am very much still in the process of putting Humpty Dumpy back together.

I have been doing a post-mortem. But the aim of the game is very much to get back in the saddle (i.e., in a relationship). But first, I'm lining up the odds of picking a better horse this time.

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Yet most I know still have the Aries trait of never giving up, and try again they do.

Yup! That's me.

However, I have come to see that there ~is~ a time to give up and stop trying. To break out of what is a vicious cycle or a no-win situation.

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Justice and fairplay. No one is more balanced in judgement and willing to play by the rules established together than this node. [...] seeing that everyone gets a good deal.

Yup again.

I also have strong Aquarius, including Asc plus Uranus as first planet in my 7th house. I'm looking for, and bring Aq into, my relationships. Aq likes to make its own rules. I'm very big on rules... made by and tailored to the two partners... and then ~honored~! By both!! :-D

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They love discussing the shared experience and hearing the opinions and insights of the participants. A play or movie with a light supper afterwords [...] (to discuss)

Bliss! Yes!!

And guess what? NOT ONE of my past partners fit that bill!!

Next one? A must!!

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Crisis, bombast, adrenalin, emergency and all the accompanying sensations are gladly given up for the peaceful meanderings of thoughts shared with intelligent people.

Yes.

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Interdependence. One of the most challenging aspects of the SN Aries is allowing the natural dependence of a complete relationship to balance their already well established self-sufficiency.

Never has been a problem for me. I thrive in relationship and interdependence. (Will do even better once I choose better partners!!)

I think for the most part I came into this life with my SN (largely) already well-integrated. I have used it as a solid foundation and built from there. I don't relate to what you talk about -- that addictive return to it.

The pull of my NN has always, from as far back as I can rememember (pre-school) exceeded any that my SN might have exerted.

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Their biggest fear is that they will lose autonomy, their survival might be at stake in some way

As above. Has not been an issue for me. At all.

Perhaps again, because of the Aq factor mentioned above. Aq wants freedom, in a sense the opposite of Libra. I have always gone into relationships with a clear definition of what freedom (and autonomy) would entail for 'us'.

Once that is clear and established, I'm full-steam ahead committed and dedicated to 'relating'.

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Their well established knowledge of caring for themselves is often handed over to the partner, giving strength to both

Yes, well, that was what my soul desired. Didn't happen because of poor choice of partners. Next time. A must.

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A lessening of dominance and leadership, allowing others to make decisions, proves to be a greater relief than they could have imagined, as the power is shared and cooperation comes easily.

Yes, looking forward to that. Very much.

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By far the most glorious trait of the NN in Libra is the ability to bring out the potential in others. The memory of strength and skilled survival are passed to those lucky enough to receive it when the energy is fully shared.


Also looking forward to that.

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Projects in duo, including a fulfilling life with a companion, are in the stars for this person

That's the plan! Coming soon to a theatre near you!!

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The lessons learned in Aries are brought to the North Node as the base of strength that will never be lost, and the balancing qualities of Libra are learned through new experience.

Absolutely. Dead on. Looking forward to my next opportunity to 'implement' my Libra NN, which I love dearly and am compellingly drawn to. I live for it. It is my life's purpose.

15/2/07 5:07 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Jm, I'm sorry for what you are going through... :-(

I hope my banter provides a distraction... :-)

(((jm)))

15/2/07 5:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Jane! You understanding Moon in Cancer angel who feels my pain!

Actually, my whole chart beautifully supports my NN.

Yes it does. this is why I'm glad your chart is on the scene. Neith has Libra planets too but not exactly on the node like you. this will be fascinating.

15/2/07 5:12 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

I'm big on hugs. If I were 'there' right now, I'd scoop you up in my arms and give you the biggest, warmest, motherly 'ti's all gonna be right' hug...

Signed, yes, my Cancer Moon
xo

15/2/07 5:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I now know what I need to do and where I need to go. Of course the 'seeing' is always easier than the 'doing'!

I love this part. I think the awareness is all that we really need. It will come in time, if we're honest with ourselves.

Ready and willing indeed! Have been since age 4 or 5 when I was "caught" writing love notes with/to my "lover" on the back porch! It's family lore! :-)

That's fabulous jane!! What a testament.

But first, I'm lining up the odds of picking a better horse this time.

This is it. The opportunity is coming in a big way as Pluto gets ready to square your nodes. It's already working. maybe that's part of why you came just when you did.

Your chart will be up pronto, and I'm following your directions to the tee!

I'd like to look at the transits around "that" relationship. Maybe it was the purge.

15/2/07 5:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Awww, jane. You make me love my Cancer Sun, which my Aries kicks the bejeeziss out of.

15/2/07 5:23 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

I'm also undergoing a Saturn transit through my 7th house, btw.

"Grow up and take responsibility" (in terms on my relationships.

15/2/07 5:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

One thing I've notced. Have you?

Both neith and jane are big on hugs and kisses in their comments. Neith especially likes smoochies. Node in Libra anyone?

15/2/07 5:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes. The Leo 7th is the key. The ruling Sun is in Libra helping tremendously. Diagnosis done. Prognosis good. Money back guarantee if not successful.

Saturn delivers the real thing when we're ready. Cap years ahead full speed!

15/2/07 5:28 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

OK. Now's as good a time as any to confess:

* My mother is a Cancer Sun.
* My first female lover was Cancer Sun.
* My second one too.

All three of them lined up like ducks in a row within days of each other.

All my lovers have been 'older'.

(Have I been marrying mommy over and over??? ~laugh~ Noooooo!!!!)

Now comes you! *grin*\

(Not that ~we~ are aiming for lovership!!)

The 15-yr one was Libra Sun, like me, yet we were night and day.

15/2/07 5:29 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Both neith and jane are big on hugs and kisses in their comments.

???!!! :-D :-D

xoxoxoxo !!!!!

~waves hello to neith~ :-D xoxoxo !!!

15/2/07 5:30 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Btw... to hook back to a convo higher up...

Looked at the nodal patterns in my family the other day. Wow! Who would've thunk!

I don't have birth times for my parents nor for my deceased brother. Otherwise, the number indicates the house:

SN Tau 3 / NN Sco 9 - oldest bro
SN Sco 9 / NN Tau 3 - youngest bro

SN Can / NN Cap - mom
SN Cap / NN Can - dead bro

SN Gem ? / NN Sag ? - dad
SN Sag 7 / NN Gem 1 - middle bro

SN Aries 2 / NN Libra 8 - me

Who stands alone? *grin* The black sheep, SN Aries, also lone girl alongside four brothers!

And if I were to interpret all the 'criss-crossing duets', they totally make sense, in terms of who each person is, and the life choices, etc. of each, in the context of their respective nodal pair. Utterly fascinating!

I do see how my Aries/Libra axis relates to my middle bro's 7/1 axis. And how my 2/8 axis relates to my Tau/Sco bros. Incidentally, I am quite close to all three living brothers.

15/2/07 5:32 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG!!! What stories!

I'm always ready for love!!!

And to add to all of this. Your Libra stellium is exactly on my Mars at 0 Libra where Pluto is headed at the moment. SN opposite which my Aries rising Mars wants information from.

The whole point for me is to unleash my Mars as the Pluto conjunction did years ago, and not pleasantly. This is much more to my liking.

Some say that we all marry Mommy, or try to.

There's more to this as it unfolds. very interesting.

15/2/07 5:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG! The family nodes!

15/2/07 5:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That 9 Taurus node is mine. 10. Interesting. There is so much to cover.

15/2/07 5:41 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

I'm always ready for love!!!

Uh... is that like... a pass???

ROFL

xoxoxoxo !!!!

15/2/07 5:42 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

There is so much to cover.

I know.

15/2/07 5:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Very very very interesting about your mother's SN in Cancer and your Moon. Will look at when we do the chart.

15/2/07 5:43 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Some say that we all marry Mommy, or try to.

Actually, I married both mommy AND daddy, over and over and over.

Some of that was not good, some of it was.

Despite the 'not good', a lot of what I do know about 'doing relationship well' I learned from watching my parents.

15/2/07 5:45 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Uh... is that like... a pass???

Of course, but a pass like no other. Keep in mind my absolutely weird Venus/Uranus conjunction. I do not have ordinary relationships. I wouldn't know one if I stumbled across it.

15/2/07 5:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Neith had the same experience, seeing the good and bad. She has the opposite: Moon conjunct her mother's NN.

I wonder if the parental relationship tracks your own throughout life.

15/2/07 5:48 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

My mom's Pluto is also in Cancer, smack on top of my Moon. You can imagine how that played out in my rebellious teen years! Yikes!

I don't have her birth time, but when computed at the hypothetical noon hour, it also falls in Cancer.

15/2/07 5:49 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Keep in mind my absolutely weird Venus/Uranus conjunction. I do not have ordinary relationships. I wouldn't know one if I stumbled across it.

I have Venus (love) conjunct Pluto (sex) in 7H, heralded in by Uranus.

I've been looking for you all my life !!!

(Especially with your Cancer Sun and your Mars/Nep atop my core stellium!!! Etc.)

~roaring with laughter~

15/2/07 5:53 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

I don't have her birth time, but when computed at the hypothetical noon hour, it also falls in Cancer.

erratum:

(it) ~her moon~ also falls in Cancer

15/2/07 5:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm here!!!! Finally!

Well, jane it's been quite an entrance. Whatever happened to the timid Cancer?????
I'm leaving mine in bed where she's safe as I venture out in the brutal Capricorny world, which I must do right now.

This is wonderful. We have more friends than we ever could have imagined!

15/2/07 5:59 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

Hi Jane!! Hey, you're way more creative than I am with emotive writing!

And from what I can tell of your search for a good, equitable relationship (equitable is a favorite Libra word . .) sounds similar to mine. Here's an astro note from my chart. Venus went retrograde by progression when I was a child & didn't turn direct by progression until I was in my early 40's. I finally married just before I turned 45 & settled in quite happily.

Another factor is I have Chiron in Libra closely conjunct my Sun - lots & lots of soul searching & being painfully honest about who I was/am and what I was willing to compromise on & what i wasn't. The last is the most important . . .

In conversations with folks who had spent many years together & seemed to be quite happy on the whole, I was told one thing in particular that was key to staying together for the long term. And that was to be very, very careful about choosing what you felt was important enough to fight for . . . most things will prove to be too minor in the larger picture. Now when you consider I've been with an Aries Sun/ASC/Moon/Mercury/Jupiter for over 16 yrs and we hardly ever have blowups . . . :-)

15/2/07 7:33 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

Hi Neith!

Looking forward to getting to know you and learning from you! Astrology and life both. (Is there a difference?!)

I finally married just before I turned 45 & settled in quite happily.

Thank you for sharing that. We hear so much about all the relationships that aren't working, didn't work out, are hell, or dead yet ongoing/dragging, etc. Positive, successful role models and beacons are so rare! It always heartens me when I stumble upon one. Gives me hope that ~I~ can manifest one too. That it ~is~ possible. That I am ~not~ deluding myself.

I'm 47. And hoping to follow in your footsteps! So by all means, never hesitate to shine your 'marital light' for us who need it! I'll be looking for it now and then! xo

Chiron [...] lots & lots of soul searching & being painfully honest about who I was/am and what I was willing to compromise on & what i wasn't. The last is the most important . . .

I've got Neptune (dissolve) transiting my Chiron (wound) in 1st house (self) opposing my 7th house (relationship) planets - Uranus/Venus/Pluto. Along with a Saturn transit to my 7th house. Etc.

Am definitely in the middle of all those things you mention. And pretty much have them all nailed down. In my head anyway. The test will come when prospective partners appear! I'm actually not worried at all. I feel very calm, confident and clear-headed about ~that~ part of my life.

(Now, if only I could get the career thing sorted! ~That one~ has me stumped!)

Now when you consider I've been with an Aries Sun/ASC/Moon/Mercury/Jupiter for over 16 yrs and we hardly ever have blowups . . . :-)

Awesome!! And *bravo*!! To the both of you! ~smiling with deep delight~ It makes me happy to know this!

15/2/07 8:10 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

Awesome!! And *bravo*!! To the both of you! ~smiling with deep delight~ It makes me happy to know this!

That's why we share these facets of our lives, to say "it's possible, painful, but possible". With all my Scorp, my mantra is "surrender, surrender, surrender". It took a Pluto transit to really get that point across . . . and it was after i had completely exhausted myself & given up, that I found a partner.

Here's a link to an amazing article that tseka sent me that I found very helpful in clarifying how we get to the place where we can do one-on-one best.

Wholeness and the Inner Marriage

15/2/07 9:26 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

With all my Scorp, my mantra is "surrender, surrender, surrender". It took a Pluto transit to really get that point across . . . and it was after i had completely exhausted myself & given up, that I found a partner.

Neith,

This resonates with me more than you can know. THE dominant energy of my chart is probably Scorp, in a hundred ways.

Thank you for the link. I am printing the article; it will be my bedtime reading tonight.

Nighty-night to one and all. xo

15/2/07 9:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Venus went retrograde by progression when I was a child & didn't turn direct by progression until I was in my early 40's

I didn't know this neith! Fascinating.

The discussion you two are having is totally completely wonderful. This adds a tremendous amount to my node bank. Thank you heartily. Oh how I love the Libra energy. What will I do when we move on????

15/2/07 10:06 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Sweet dreams jane, and everyone.

15/2/07 10:07 PM  
Blogger Jane said...

I ~love~ that photograph of Sam and Mary in their more mature years. Just love it.

And thanks for sharing their story, jm.

16/2/07 8:48 AM  

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