Saturday, August 11, 2007

Sitting Around

Pursuant to the discussion of the Wheel of Fortune I decided to provide a quiet place to contemplate. Sitting on the wheel might help as each one ascertains which side s*he's on. Inner or outer.
Photo: David McDonald

12 Comments:

Blogger NEOBuckeye said...

Neo, you are so funny. You can really keep up with me. I surely did get to know you tonight.
I think I got to know you better as well, jm. The feeling is definitely mutual. ;-)


I have to laugh. I am infinitely impressed.

I miss talking about these things and you are the best. I even ran up and cooked some noodles a minute ago. I'm getting into the swing of it. Applied energy!


I'm so sorry I couldn't keep on going. 4 am here is nothing for me usually. But I had an early appointment on Saturday, and the Sandman was really starting to pound away at my eyelids. But what a night! That was fun!

Taurus is a fine energy. At best they don't make fast and unnecessary moves. I see this in the night club business. When it gets very busy some bartenders speed up and start fumblimg. Others barely change their pace and they keep up exactly. It's absolutely fascinating to witness. Keepin a steady pace wins the race, as the turtle knows. It's all physics of motion.

Add the consolidating Capricorn Moon and you, my friend, are in business.



Exactly. Shared power. It's exponential.


You know, jm, I think you've helped to inspire a very wonderful idea within me. Maybe this is an extension of our Saturn Returns in Leo? As a mentioned before, there is an emerging clarity that I did not have before. Things that I didn't see before, and I almost wonder why not, but somehow that doesn't matter now. With Saturn in Leo within my Second House, there's a big challenge in my learning to overcome my fears about stepping up to the stage and performing. I'll find genuine security in doing so, but the success will ultimately be however I define it.

I see a project now that I can work on. The next step beyond the "nudge" I got in a performance evaluation earlier this year. She told me that I wasn't taking the initiative enough and sitting in the background. I think the next conversation will turn out to be very different. ;-)

12/8/07 12:00 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Neo, am I glad to see you. It was great great fun. I didn't expect you back so soon and I am delighted!

I remember vividly you talking about the initiative thing. I identify completely with what you're saying. On the heels of the return I want to grasp the lesson of confidence of Saturn in Leo and USE it. I am tired of shrinking from the light. Tired of intimidation. tired of my fear. So that's it. But it's hard for me being so timid and easily spooked. Too bad for me! I've got to do it!

This is so inspiring. Your project.
Good news. Nothing like the steadiness of Taurus.

12/8/07 2:30 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Everything you can articulate about your Saturn in Leo experience interests me, neo.

This is what I want to learn from you. I have the NN in Taurus square my Saturn and the centeredness and confidence of this combination is what I desire. I see it in you.

In the years I've known you I've marveled at your capacity to be in the midst of extreme emotionalism, accusation, fear, etc. and remain yourself, undisturbed. You are so consistently true to your nature, at least on the blogs.
With my fiery emotional body I spin like a whirling dervish (I must have been a Sufi in a past life!), lose my grip, and have to spend time in recovery. Very reactive to externals. It's fun at times, but not good for money-making which is becoming rather important.

When I see how stable you are, I see my NN in Taurus, and I know it's within my reach. I think I need it as the Pluto transit comes and goes to my MC. It will trine the node. Every bit I learn from you is of great benefit. I do want my Taurus. Man, do I want it. They say it's dull. Well, so be it! I'll make a fair exchange.

12/8/07 2:40 AM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

"They say it's dull."

They say a lot of things, don't they? ;-)

12/8/07 11:46 AM  
Blogger NEOBuckeye said...

Neo, am I glad to see you. It was great great fun. I didn't expect you back so soon and I am delighted!

You do things differently here, jm, and I really like that. Things will be much busier for me in a couple of weeks, but you will still probably see me more than you have in the past.

I remember vividly you talking about the initiative thing. I identify completely with what you're saying. On the heels of the return I want to grasp the lesson of confidence of Saturn in Leo and USE it. I am tired of shrinking from the light. Tired of intimidation. tired of my fear. So that's it. But it's hard for me being so timid and easily spooked. Too bad for me! I've got to do it!


Definitely. It's time for us Saturn Leos to rise and shine! Get up and put our feet on the rock, as my grandpa used to say.

This is what I want to learn from you. I have the NN in Taurus square my Saturn and the centeredness and confidence of this combination is what I desire. I see it in you.

In the years I've known you I've marveled at your capacity to be in the midst of extreme emotionalism, accusation, fear, etc. and remain yourself, undisturbed. You are so consistently true to your nature, at least on the blogs.


I like to think that is mostly true of me in the world as well. At least more so these past few years than maybe what it has been in the past. The lead up to my Saturn Return has been a big part of me arriving at this point of stability I believe. I guess I passed all of my tests this time!

With my fiery emotional body I spin like a whirling dervish (I must have been a Sufi in a past life!), lose my grip, and have to spend time in recovery. Very reactive to externals. It's fun at times, but not good for money-making which is becoming rather important.

I do love and admire that warm, firey energy. ;-) I think, however, and you'll be able to verify this, that your Saturn Return has also granted you a bit more stability and focus in the moment. I see this, even for myself as a double earth type with Saturn in firey Leo. You have a water Sun, and a firey ascendant and moon. Saturn is a pure, earthy focused energy. I don't think it really matters which elements we possess when it comes to Saturn, who governs time and the tasks at hand. He just wants us to acknowledge the reality that we're in, focus and deal with it all.

We certainly haven't been blind to our own Saturn Returns, and I really think that we have made the most of them.

When I see how stable you are, I see my NN in Taurus, and I know it's within my reach. I think I need it as the Pluto transit comes and goes to my MC. It will trine the node. Every bit I learn from you is of great benefit. I do want my Taurus. Man, do I want it. They say it's dull. Well, so be it! I'll make a fair exchange.

Not dull. Just very comfortable. ;-) We're just the ones who stop and smell the roses and admire the beauty of this world.

12/8/07 12:14 PM  
Blogger jm said...

They say a lot of things, don't they? ;-)

And how. They do verbalize a lot.:-)

Get up and put our feet on the rock

Well said. Good stock you come from.

I don't think it really matters which elements we possess when it comes to Saturn, who governs time and the tasks at hand. He just wants us to acknowledge the reality that we're in, focus and deal with it all.

That simple. It cycles around and the collective is ready the same time we are. We do have major jobs ahead and once people get busy sometimes they cause less trouble. I found this with my boss when I worked for a corporation. She finally had too much to do!

Not dull. Just very comfortable. ;-) We're just the ones who stop and smell the roses and admire the beauty of this world.

Perfect. I'll take it.

Neo, this is wonderful. The great things that money can't buy.
And don't work too hard. Remember Leo and the required fun!
We have learned.

12/8/07 1:46 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

Earlier The Botany of Desire by Pollan was mentioned, which I requested from the public library and read most of it this weekend. The essay on intoxication is lyrical, definitive and fascinating.

Certainly the expression of the Taurus NN develops from mastering the Scorpionic highs and lows of life, so that one receives the fullness of experience that is the central blessing of Venusian expression. This can be compared to experiencing the extremes of intoxication from a wholistic, Sagittarian point-of-view. From that spiritual height the clear highs and the unfocused lows all look like a wobbly line, but experienced on the personal level is truely "never a dull moment". Another way to look at it is from the Libran point-of-view where the back and forth motion of experience is simply wobble caused by nature's balance of extremes around your personal center.

All these perspectives allow the Taurean NN a degree of comfort knowing that the whole of experience, including the peaks and valleys, naturally conspires to keep you at its center.

13/8/07 1:48 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I want to read it now. Just the title is beautiful.

Certainly the expression of the Taurus NN develops from mastering the Scorpionic highs and lows of life, so that one receives the fullness of experience that is the central blessing of Venusian expression.

I am really working on his now nathan. Intoxication is as area of interest for me. The senses seem to ask for this experience in one way or another. The Scorpionic side works through poisons and such, with extreme highs and low as you say, while the Taurus finds intoxication in the scent of a flower.

the back and forth motion of experience is simply wobble caused by nature's balance of extremes around your personal center.

I think everything wobbles and therein lie secrets and alternate states. The wobble of the earth's axis creates the precession of the equinoxes and thus the great astrological ages.

All these perspectives allow the Taurean NN a degree of comfort knowing that the whole of experience, including the peaks and valleys, naturally conspires to keep you at its center.

I'm still undecided as to how much wobble I need. You are right, though. The center finds itself.

14/8/07 6:34 AM  
Blogger jm said...

The interesting part about Venus, I find, is her characteristic of laziness in a sense. She prefers to attract to herself without expending too much effort to grasp her pleasures. This is part of the question for me. There is a force in the attraction for sure, but I think part of it is staying in the center and pulling toward. Then the extremes are not as attractive. This is what I am investigating.

14/8/07 6:35 AM  
Blogger Nathan said...

Athough being perfectly still is challenging, a life with minimum wobble expresses the authentic self most directly. I will grant you that laziness is a shadow expression of Venus's ability for taking pleasure from what is already within or nearby, rather than seeking it outside of the self; but then grasping can also be viewed as a shadow of that active Mars energy, pushing outward and seeking identity or approval from outside the self. I believe they are the same energy, simply applied from opposing perspectives. Being centered, without wobble, allows you to manifest best whether by pushing or pulling.

14/8/07 1:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Omg, nathan. We've gotten there. The pinpoint.
You are so right about the Mars-Venus dichotomy, and that is my story. Aries rising, Taurus node in the 1st.

Athough being perfectly still is challenging, a life with minimum wobble expresses the authentic self most directly.

This is fascinating. I fear it, I believe. Giving up some of the social overreactiveness.

but then grasping can also be viewed as a shadow of that active Mars energy, pushing outward and seeking identity or approval from outside the self.

Boy howdy.

Being centered, without wobble, allows you to manifest best whether by pushing or pulling.

I believe this is so in my case with the Taurus node. I think I have yet to really expience it fully and I just decided in the last months to see if I can do it right now so that when Pluto squares my Mars and action is "enforced", I will be ready from this central source.

"Wobble" is going in my mantra bank.

14/8/07 2:06 PM  
Blogger kj said...

I think there is a story between the words rest and wrest.

19/8/07 7:50 AM  

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