Monday, December 29, 2008

Wishes and Circumstance

Aquarius and the Eleventh House
There are two things associated with Aquarius and the 11th house that I find interesting. One is the reality of circumstances beyond our control, and the other is the fulfillment of wishes. They appear to be in conflict, but maybe upon closer consideration, they really are not. It could be that letting go of command allows an easier pathway in for idealistic desires.
In the final quadrant of the astrological wheel, where all the collective outer planets are now transiting, the lessons of living come to completion. As the human creature crosses Capricorn, s*he tries everything possible to make order and exercise direction over existence. In Aquarius, the order is broken and the native learns that one cannot determine the whole sequence of events. In Pisces, s*he no longer wants to control and surrender to circumstance brings the ultimate attainment of wisdom. Unity results as the native returns to the beginning.
This sequence is now in the forefront and for many years, specifically the struggle between Saturnine constructs and Uranian liberation, will be shaping the collective story as well as the personal. Many Aquarians find themselves daunted by the freedom their sign offers and actually cling to dictation, especially with Saturn in Aquarius or the 11th, where prediction, calculation, and a tight grip on consistent reality can be excessive. Eventually it blows. The struggle for years to come is attempting to realign established structures and bring about a new order, possibly to completely dissolve in Pisces, but who cares then? It does what it does since the entire universe is in on the action. Homo sapiens are bit players, although architects of their individual lives in theory, even if the firm has some rather elusive partners.
Politically, the primaries, the campaign, and the election, all went in orderly fashion seemingly under control with the first Saturn-Uranus opposition. The outcome was simple to predict and the people had their way with an easy victory. Now come two more oppositions until Uranus goes into Aries, and then another one at that time when Saturn enters Libra, something I dare not calculate in any way. Will circumstance go according to plan? Or is lack of power the prerequisite to the genuine change so often talked about? How much are people willing to go into the unknown of uncontrolled circumstance in order to gain this bigger victory and have their wishes for a better society fulfilled? Time will tell. At least we can count on Saturn to keep that under control.
On the way, come spring, Jupiter joins Chiron and Neptune in a prolonged transit since the two planets will be going retrograde at the same time and slowing down considerably. If ever there was a configuration promising wish-fulfillment, this is it, since it occurs in Aquarius. It can, however, inflate delusions with equal enthusiasm, and the fire of joy can be drowned in Neptunian despair. Preparation, perhaps, can influence the outcome assuming there's a little control for the moment.
The current Venus-Neptune conjunction might be a prelude. The aspect is trine US Mars while Saturn is square for awhile turning retrograde, and making a close quincunx to Neptune.
The ideal is to open up and let it come gracefully, gasses and alluring vapors bringing spiritual touches with healing and education via Chiron. Jupiter governs relationship with the outer cosmos, Neptune the more amorphous inner world of faith. "I believe" are the keywords for Pisces. You have to, really, after the loss of boundary and familiar reality. Immediately following, the North Node leaves Aquarius for Capricorn and the see-saw swings back to control and the continuing dialog between Saturn and Uranus.

The coming conjunction occurs close to the USA moon and triggers her trine to Mars -- at best, an application of the airy love of humanity, a blurring of the blade. In realtime, action unknown. The country's Aquarian Moon will be getting a lot of attention for awhile and after Aquarius, Neptune comes home to Pisces for fourteen years trining the four US Cancer planets.
While the universe sorts itself out, trying to uncontrol circumstance and continue dreaming, this rich conjunction occurs in everyone's chart, and now is a perfect time to give yourself the benefit of the doubt. The lessons of events beyond control are among the most meaningful and the human ability to wish is there for good reason too.

149 Comments:

Blogger Tseka said...

While the universe sorts itself out, trying to uncontrol circumstance and continue dreaming

I love this.

29/12/08 8:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What pleasure to have poetic receptors in the room.

Things are changing.

29/12/08 10:43 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

jm would you say that Uranus in the 11th is akin to the energy you speak of? that's what I have natally. i've always drawn to aquarians but couldn't figure out *why* astrologically, seeing i have nothing in aquarius.

30/12/08 11:32 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes. Anything in the 11th thinks about freedom from control after the tightness of Capricorn. It's especially so with your Cap Moon, an ongoing conflict. Give orders to life or let it unfold!

But I see Uranus in the 10th in my copy of your chart. Conjunct your Scorp MC. That would make it mega important. Scorpio-Aquarius and the freedom-closeness thingy. Power and all. You also have Uranus square Saturn and there the pattern is repeated. Sun opposite Uranus, more important yet. Venus-Mars in Aries almost exactly quincunx Uranus and therein lies the specific relationship aspect.

Aquarians (advanced ones) can teach you how to do this by example or osmosis.

Your Saturn-Uranus aspect is really important in terms of authority and who calls the shots in your life, even beyond people. So you'd probably attract both types, controlling and freedom-giving as the dilemma works its path through your little life. More freedom as you get older. Your father thing fits in in an interesting way. Also your back and the support-bone structure factor.

31/12/08 12:01 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Dick Cheney is a perfect example with Sun in Aquarius and Saturn in Taurus. All that dictatorial control and his heart (Sun) blew four times.

Here's a really good illustration ...

My friend with Saturn in Aquarius square Sun in Scorpio.
He was driving his car with his teen-age son as a passenger when they had an accident. His child died after three years in a coma (Scorpio). Naturally he felt responsible since he was driving but the lesson of Aquarius is trying to tell him that it was no one's fault. Circumstances beyond control. The question remains as to what entity is in control but that's where it gets interesting. Most Saturns in Aquarius have events that try to teach them about their absence of personal control. They have a lot of it to start with so they can learn the lesson.

31/12/08 12:10 AM  
Blogger jm said...

His other son has Sun-Mars-Saturn conjunct in Aquarius in the 1st. It played out in water skiing when he was young. He was fabulous, incredible control, but he'd beat himself up trying to get out of the grip with crazy accidents and all. Later he did it through surfboarding in the Pacific. Not for fun but for defying the limits.
There are other ways he does it too, always pushing beyond what's sustainable.

There are millions of ways Uranus can break through Saturn's confines which is why the path ahead in general looks quite intriguing.

31/12/08 12:18 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

Oh yes! I never mentioned here that over the last year I made a switch to the equal house system. When I generate the chart at astro.com (using the equal house setting) I came up with Scorpio MC conjunct Uranus, but in the 11th house and not the 10th. I often get confused about this! To be honest the 10th sounds more like me...but what to do about all those other details that get shifted? do you have a system that gels with you better than others do?

31/12/08 9:12 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

"There are millions of ways Uranus can break through Saturn's confines which is why the path ahead in general looks quite intriguing."

YES! You've really hit the nail on the head for me. I love it. Thank you! It's weird, you know, I do feel like my dad plays a part in this, but my mum too. She has an Aries Sun, Moon in Aquarius opposing her Pluto in Leo, and Saturn in Taurus.

31/12/08 9:18 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

Oh my god. I just looked again and look where her North Node is? 20 degrees Libra. Mine is 24 degrees Libra. Wow.

31/12/08 9:19 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

You know, even when I was young and had ran away from home, and wished I never had the parents I did there was always the feeling like there was deep meaning in my being born to them.
I was home at the weekend and one thing kept popping up in my mind was how sad it was my siblings are unable to move beyond the pain of their childhoods. My sister (NN in Capricorn) is relentless in her continuing to tell my mum what a bad job she did as a mother.

I won't trot out the old line of "she did the best she could" (she didn't, frankly) but she has paid tenfold for her mistakes and I would want nothing more for her to stop apologizing to her children and own her evolution. I really look up to her. She was quite ahead of her time in a lot of ways. She was one of those people who realized how being abused as a child affected her as an adult, and she discovered that through the talk shows of the 80s that everyone poo-poos now.

31/12/08 9:29 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

I wonder, too, why some people are unable to see how powerful a genuine apology is. I wonder if Pluto in Capricorn will allow people to see this kind of beauty.

31/12/08 9:32 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

Sun-Mars-Saturn....Not for fun but for defying the limits.

I have a bit of this tendency as well. I've always wanted to push physical and spiritual limits with small groups of creative friends. I've often thought that our so called mental and technological prowess was some sort of regression from a time or plane of existence where we could manifest things in a much more direct fashion. That we are continually doing things the hard way on this planet.

When I was younger it was a fascination with the circus. Ideally, a tribe of people with extraordinary skills, banded together creating their own story, their own reality. The ability to move through life with fierce, playful, mischievous and spontaneous power. My body is a conduit capable of carrying tremendous ecstatic and transformational power, and I've always resented the pressure of society to live with but a trickle of its potential coming down the wire.

31/12/08 9:48 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

I had found this quote from Jim Morrison some days earlier:

"I am interested in anything about revolt, disorder, chaos-especially activity that seems to have no meaning. It seems to me to be the road toward freedom... Rather than starting inside, I start outside and reach the mental through the physical. "

I wouldn't say it exactly the same way but my formulation is similar. I start outside and reach the spiritual through the physical. Also I'm not really interested in a public revolt, but private revolts (perhaps with a public artistic face) within small powerful groups.

31/12/08 9:55 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

I've always taken delight in creating the appearance of chaotic disorder in order jump start magical leaps of consciousness.

I remember a group of jugglers I went to a restaurant with. Each person performing some dangerous looking tricks with plates, glasses, utensils, to the trepidation and amusement of the staff and surrounding tables. Forks and knives flying thru the air in seeming chaos to land in carefully preplanned locations. Knives, glasses and improbable stacks of objects balanced on hands and faces. Then the tip money carefully folded into intricate origami animals, stars, hearts, or what not. Life itself becoming such a performance.

31/12/08 10:07 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

Once you get the door open a crack, even if your technique is an artifice, the real stuff can then get through. And it some level of consciousness they both merge as an aspect accessible through the tuning of concentration. This is hard to explain.

31/12/08 10:10 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

Something gets created in the subconscious from the conscious concentration, a structure that operates without conscious thought. Depending on how well this unconscious is developed, and also depending on conscious awareness that it does in fact exist but can't be consciously accessed, it can allow the magical dimensions to filter into existence in greater and greater leaps. It allows one to venture out farther into realms inaccessible to mind (at least as we are used to using it) and still return safely. You can "blow your mind" and the subconcious structure you have created reconstitutes it upon your return, upon your resurfacing from the ocean. If the unconscious construct isn't there but one attempts to access the uncontrolled magical energy, or these alternate planes of existence, then it can create destructive disorder within or without the person.

31/12/08 10:26 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

It seems I can almost distill this to a maxim.

To extend safely into the magical one must first pattern the unconscious.

31/12/08 10:34 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

If you learn how to pattern your own unconscious, it's also possible to assist with the project of fixing the collective unconscious using the same skills. There's a lot of junk in there. If one decides to become part of this club, there are all sorts of beings, incarnate and disincarnate involved with this project, crossing spatial and temporal boundaries.

31/12/08 10:41 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

LOL... it's part of my job here on this planet. I'm a maintenance man, fixing patterns both mundane and ethereal.

31/12/08 10:47 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I use the Koch house system which always works for me. Uranus in the 10th describes separation from the father. Not all separations will show up in the chart unless they are significent to your development. Most do.

What doesn't gel in the Koch house for you?

I'll get to your mother in a minute.

I wonder, too, why some people are unable to see how powerful a genuine apology is. I wonder if Pluto in Capricorn will allow people to see this kind of beauty.

Very very very important point with the Pluto transit coming and guilt. More than apology is the subsequent behavior.

31/12/08 2:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I've often thought that our so called mental and technological prowess was some sort of regression from a time or plane of existence where we could manifest things in a much more direct fashion.

People are coming to realize this. I don't think it's a regression necessarily, but maybe unnecessary complications to arrive in the same place. I am beginning to think that the convolutions could be separating people from some things they seek, though. Using them as escape, and it goes back to my thoughts on trying to control too much. The Age of Aquarius will sort it out. Could be different from what's expected.

For example trying to find new forms of energy to suck up, rather than simply cutting back on usage and understanding the source of energy within the self, as well as stopping the mindless breeding. People's blindness to this source creates the need for excess consumption to compensate and yet it doesn't work and they stay shut down.

I wouldn't say it exactly the same way but my formulation is similar. I start outside and reach the spiritual through the physical.

I do too. I also am fascinated with the circus, mpk, as well as the midway as metaphor for life and the freak show it really is. Humans are weird at this stage, something seems out of wack. I am stunned at the poor examples they select as their leaders, but then I got to thinking that's all they have to choose from. We're almost all off. A few specimens are better developed as evolutionary guides perhaps.

If you step back and observe for a day they look like wounded creatures on the way to Lourdes. Their smiles are often tortured and all other assorted miseries are evident (Making people like Oprah Winfrey billionaires), but still, it's George Bush's fault or someome like that. The savior is on the way.

My body is a conduit capable of carrying tremendous ecstatic and transformational power, and I've always resented the pressure of society to live with but a trickle of its potential coming down the wire.

Me too again. But herein lies the real trick. Why so we resent the pressures of society? How can we bypass them and not live clamped down like they do, living through their celebrities, who are also inhibited, corseted, and unfree. A society which says it reveres life, yet elevates restriction and death. The so-called energized write books and make videos so I'm suspicious. They metaphorically lock me up when I fully express the energy. These are all Capricorn-Aquarius dilemmas.

Also I'm not really interested in a public revolt, but private revolts (perhaps with a public artistic face) within small powerful groups.

I've come to this very important conclusion for good. It took a small trip into group mania to see it clearly. I agree. Small revolutions are the way. People play lip service to traveling into the unknown and shedding the old in revolution. But the undercurrents of transformation ensure it some way eventually.

If ever we could release ourselves from obedience and bondage, the energy would flow, but it can be done in increments personally. Society has no clue about what they keep doing over and over. The big roll-over. Even the ones who lecture on the subject.

I'm enetering another in depth philosophical phase.

31/12/08 3:21 PM  
Blogger Fernmountain said...

Awesome comments all of you. Very inspiring for co creating in the New Year. I do look forward to opening a few cracks into my magical dimensions. Thanks for reminding me...how awesome it is to dwell and create in and with magical energies. Dreaming away on this windy winter day....

Chrispito, I wish my Capricorn daughter could read your post...she went into a rage, slammed me up against a wall Christmas eve night and kicked me out of the house...I drove home 6 hours to another state. I never realized that on Christmas eve in the middle of the night, there is no where to pee on the interstate. Everything is closed up!

This is the daughter I rarely had any issues with. It was a big old dose of misplaced anger, I am safer to rage on than the one she is truly angry with.

An apology, would do much to begin to heal. Won't come from her anytime soon....

31/12/08 3:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Forks and knives flying thru the air in seeming chaos to land in carefully preplanned locations.

My father used to do this at the table in restaurants! Great description of the whole scene mpk. You're a good writer.

I've always taken delight in creating the appearance of chaotic disorder in order jump start magical leaps of consciousness.

I think that's required and where people dare not tread, thus the lagging of society. True progress and freedom won't come from laws. That in itself is contradictory. It's going to take one leap at a time. Society will not heal until each individual does it separately.

~Something gets created in the subconscious from the conscious concentration, a structure that operates without conscious thought.

You can "blow your mind" and the subconcious structure you have created reconstitutes it upon your return, upon your resurfacing from the ocean.


In ways I think it self-constructs or is there already waiting for the human, and I also think it can be trusted to maintain itself. Maybe. It wants us but we have to leave things to get there. Maybe the clinging to ordered reality prevents this and the moment of chaos is the terror, but it happens anyway. Problem is, we have to seize the opportunity and go through the door. The chaos of war is an attempt to align us, I think, but the subconscious construct isn't being accessed of course.

Enlightenment does not come easily. And it comes and goes, I believe, perhaps leaving a little more behind with each visit.

The aloneness of the action is part of what terrifies people, I believe. I wonder if a solo life isn't necessary to live in that state. One relatively free of mundane responsibility. I think yes.

If the unconscious construct isn't there but one attempts to access the uncontrolled magical energy, or these alternate planes of existence, then it can create destructive disorder within or without the person.

Yes. Then insanity and other diversions can result. Drug addicts and alcoholics do this which is one reason I've studied them. Sometimes I think they touch the magic in their spiral, though. And all society wants is for them to "recover" and be like them, never to remind us of the alternative dimensions we're missing.

31/12/08 3:44 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Dreaming away on this windy winter day....

It really is good to be reminded.

Your story about your daughter resonates with me, fernmountain. People might say it was the temporary Mars-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn and leave it at that. It's never that simple and it shortchanges reality. There are long developing underlying layers and the feelings about authority should be unleashed for years. Freedom is personal and an individual path is required to find it.

Along with the conjunction was the Venus-Neptune conjunction in Aquarius so the seeds for forgiveness and progress were planted at the same time. We all have parts to play in these interactions including the expression of rage.

It makes the magical dimension that much more significant. If others won't do it, we can.

31/12/08 3:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL... it's part of my job here on this planet. I'm a maintenance man, fixing patterns both mundane and ethereal.

Who's the boss in that biz??? Who does the evaluations and cuts the checks? I'd like to apply.:-) In the ethereal dep't, that is.

31/12/08 4:02 PM  
Blogger yeshe_choden said...

whoah, m.p.k. -- are you familiar with the paratheatrical laboratories and subsequent video movies of Antero Alli?

www.paratheatrical.com
www.verticalpool.com

He's one of my teachers, very influential for me.

jm, re: maintenance work, read "The Televisionary Oracle" by Rob Brezsny (www.freewillastrology.com) to see how his protagonist (thinly veiled self-portrait) becomes a "sacred janitor."

Great stuff, all of yez!

I'm a 1st House Libra NN with a moon/Venus conjunction right at the top of Aquarius, where Jupiter makes his ingress on January 5.

31/12/08 4:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The hardest concept for people to absorb in metaphysics is that we are never victims in the larger sense. All acts of unkindness are a two-way contract and the "victim" attracts the experience for her own development. I've quit talking about this because it's so universally rejected but maybe I'll try again.

Even in war, there is an unconscious agreement between the warring parties. In Iraq, for example it's impossible to say whether the US attacked simply or whether she was attracted to the situation by Iraq. This says nothing about right or wrong, just the metaphysical level of it. A metaphysical contract.

I might go further into it considering the mood I'm in, and Capricorn understands these things.

In your chart, Chris, your mother serves you well being a bad mother. For one thing, the moon in Cap in the 1st is trying to get you to mother yourself independently of everyone. You are your own boss. So getting away from bad circumstance leads you in that direction. Those circumstances need to be there and if conscious, you can capitalize on them for growth and evolution.

Your Moon squares Pluto adding to the emotional pull and the difficulty in finding freedom.

Then the Moon inconjuncts Saturn in Leo and authority issues, adding to the lessons of your Capricorn Moon.

Then we can proceed to Venus and Mars in Aries inconjunct Uranus -- the combat and separation. Venus also ruling the 4th house of parents and home.

Then Uranus on the MC (parents) for the ultimate autonomy.

The Moon trines your Sun giving you a great opportunity to work it out with conscious understanding at your fingertips and an ease of passage between the two worlds. You can psyche yourself out. The trine between Sun and Moon is said to indicate harmony between the parents at your birth which serves you well through your life.

The the ruler of your 7th, Mercury, is on the 4th cusp opposite Uranus and the urge for freedom from your parents. Your partnerships are a re-enactment of the dilemma. Your mother provided some security but your needs created the tensions, too, in order for you to find your independence and eventually form equal relationships with your Libra NN.

Running away was only a step. The independence and ability to relate in a non-parental way is a lifelong process. In metaphysical terms your mother is your ally, one which you drew to yourself, to allow you to act out your destiny successfully and free you to become the artist you want to be.

I had similar things with my Cancer and Aries, and when I parted permanently with my mother, she completely understood. I later saw her as the ally she really was. You can do it differently, though, with NN in Libra. You can make the relationship work eventually, though the NN9 use of philosophical resolution.

Almost every chart has this complicated journey through parents and the past as metaphor for the evolutionary journey. It's beautifully orchestrated and the pains and pleasures are all required for the full experience of living. The more we remove the blame and see ourselves as architects of our life's events, the more we can use these experiences to our benefit. The choices are all ours. No one truly can control another.

31/12/08 4:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Hey yesh!! Things look good in relationship land!

I love that conjunction of yours.

I also like the "sacred janitor" idea being as I have Neptune in the 6th house of maintenance!

31/12/08 4:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There are two novels which illustrate this perfectly.

One is The Driver's Seat, written by a strange metaphysician named Muriel Spark. In it, the character advertises in the paper for someone to kill her. The ad is answered and the deed is done. The title of the story tells it all.

Hermann Hesse's, Steppenwolf, is another case where the character on his way to freedom and enlightenment must kill the woman he loves, by her orders, which he does. In the end you see it as the metaphor it is.

In each case, there is no victim. If anything, in the first story, the murderer is the victim. The marriage of the further levels with mundane reality is the search, which mpk laid out beautifully. How it's done is probably a long process of experimentation. But I agree with the perceived change in subconscious construct, where the understanding of the lack of victimization can be internalized.

31/12/08 5:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So in the far stretches of the outer realms, punishment becomes unnecessary. The amount of life force humankind spends on trial and punishment, revenge, and such things is staggering and yet, here we all are, doing exactly the same things over and over. Punishment doesn't work. Reward is supposed to work a little better but even that probably has its limitations. Doing right has to be an impulse. And who is the judge in the end? What exactly is right and wrong? If wrong leads to right ... then?

Sometimes I think a massive expansion and contraction is at work and eventually the human species will contract to a workable size with experience in the excessive as a guide. Who knows?

In the meantime, responsibility for our own individual wrongdoings has yet to be accomplished. There isn't a computer made yet that can calculate them.

31/12/08 5:28 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Hej JM & all

Moon over Venus in a cobalt sky, they are so brilliant together. Sparkling above me, they seem to radiate the very good wishes i send outward to you all as we close one year and open another.

31/12/08 5:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Watch out for that Moon and Venus! Those gals can be mighty alluring!

31/12/08 5:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This could be a portent. Very very interesting. Today's conjunction is exactly where the Jupiter-Neptune one is taking place. Oh my.

31/12/08 5:36 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Your last two comments...and this is why i cannot sit on a jury any longer.

The heyoka, the clown, in native american culture, was allowed to mirror us in an attempt to change us. We laughed at ourselves, our foolishness found in his antics. Sacred clown, more sacred than shaman, could murder with impunity, if this is what was required. No limits. Most sacred.

31/12/08 5:37 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ja, this point (heh, besides being my ascendent) is one i have been looking at as a potential power point for the US. How will we us this gift?

For myself i have been with good women friends, artists, we have laughed until we slop our tea. A fun couple of days - and all of us have lots to bemoan as all of us have had a tough year. Never-mind, this sharing of genuine friendship is our wealth.

31/12/08 5:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh, I love it. Omg.

The last time I was called for jury duty I went into the judge's chambers and declared my position. That I couldn't judge another. I did add that lawyers were cheats, but they knew that.:-) It was an interesting exchange.

I remember you talking about the heyoka before in terms of Bush. I love this teacher.

I stand by and watch this sorrow go on, blaming Bush, wanting revenge, and I think about the sacred act of mirroring and how we reject the opportunity at our peril. It will return. People think that a new person will be a better mirror but not until we face the last one and see ourselves.

No wonder. The clown murders as we follow that impulse ourselves.

31/12/08 5:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Never-mind, this sharing of genuine friendship is our wealth.

Yes, and I think it's pointing away from authority and toward the individual expression of grace. I said before that the Mars-Pluto conjunction was accompanied by the Venus-Neptune so the choice is there. Blood and turmoil or peace and personal kindness. They all go together and it's a matter of focus and intent.

31/12/08 5:50 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Sometimes I think the wise teachers travel in spirit form amongst the crowd, elluding grasp but appearing and disappearing enough. We never know where the guides will land so openness is probably the thing to cultivate.

No human form gets to keep the entity.

31/12/08 5:53 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

And what could be more sacred than a pattern weaver, or ethereal maintenance man or restaurant juggler, folder of origami that pierces somber diners, or brave messengers who shave their heads (cp ♥)??

31/12/08 6:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

somber diners

Interesting. Restaurants are quite a study. Human and mouth.

The trip from the mother shoveling it in and the little tongue spitting most of it out to learning to pick it up with the strange utensils Westerners manipulate, to the over-feeding, and on sometimes to the whittling down at the end and loss of appetite in some cases. An amazing path. Down the alimentary canal we travel. Gondolieri of the gut.

I wonder if in futuristic times humanoids will celebrate holidays without slaughter and feasting to conserve some resources. Anything's possible.

31/12/08 6:10 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Thanks from my heart to yours for writing and sharing your brilliance. Here's to you JM,Skål.

I can only wish that a book would be born from all this....the node stuff is pretty amazing.

31/12/08 6:13 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's also interesting that the fresh start of the new year is celebrated in this culture by getting drunk. Nourishment for the ?

Birthdays, new years and those things are interesting in their combination of grief at the end and anticipation of the beginning. I hardly know what to celebrate so I'll just consider it another day which also has an end and a beginning.

31/12/08 6:14 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Well hey some of us do already it's spit pea soup and homemade rye bread, pears and lignonberries, little side dishes of cold beets and other yummy treats and some cheeses for solstice. This has become such a traditions that my ex is carrying it on...funny isn't it, tradition is just that.

31/12/08 6:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Thank you tseka. Wishes account for something.

There are so many books. So much consumption. Paper, ink, and whatnot. Maybe one book sometime Just to verify my material existence. A tiny legacy.

The node stuff is the germ plasm of knowledge and magic. So simple.

31/12/08 6:18 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Or not my Skål toast was made with licorice root tea.

We Aquarian types make up our rules as we go...I'm choosing Neptune, Venus, Moon over the Pluto/mars crowd. They have been a bunch of grump buckets.

31/12/08 6:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That sounds absolutely delicious. I made a split pea soup recently and I entered the realm of ecstasy. I don't know what it is about those little green things. It could have been receptors in me that were especially desirous at the time. Food and time are interesting.

That's a tradition worth continuing. He's a Tuarus, right? No wonder.

31/12/08 6:22 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ja the nodes, i ran across my immigration papers 6 dec 1973 NN exact on my sun. A new country almost a new birth. It is fun to go look at how we have been revolving around our own wheel, when we knew naught.

31/12/08 6:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

I'm choosing Neptune, Venus, Moon over the Pluto/mars crowd. They have been a bunch of grump buckets.

They always are. Those receptors, you know. It serves them.

I'm all for gloom and doom now that Capricorn has arrived in all his bleak glory, but within reason. And ain't that the point? Reason. Violence without logic is like love without you!

31/12/08 6:25 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Nope the taurus is my beloved, this is a man i lived with for 28 (a bit of Saturn involved??)years a Capricorn. Tonight is his birthday in fact.

31/12/08 6:26 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Grump buckets were actually invented in 1628 since the grump was becoming impossible to transport.

Hey! NN Sun and birth. Oh my.

31/12/08 6:27 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I dunno JM, after so long with Pluto on my Sun, i ready for a break! Even if it is illusional or delusional

31/12/08 6:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Well happy birthday to the beloved. or gloomy birthday. Whatever gifts these Saturnine souls like.

It is fun to go look at how we have been revolving around our own wheel, when we knew naught.

I like this line of thinking. How much do we need to know? Do we evolve just as much anyway? And now Pluto crossed that point for another birth. Is it more conscious than the decision to emigrate?

As a dancer, I need the wheel. I need a partner with exceptional grace and rhythm. And time.

31/12/08 6:32 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

OMG 1628? really, i was sure the Scandinavians had them before that. I've wondered about the Nordic taciturnity, perhaps caused by all that pickled and smoked and salted food? Add in the loooong dark nights, sound like a recipe for grumpy.

31/12/08 6:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Even if it is illusional or delusional

I have no argument with either. I have not found so-called reality to be superior and I have a lifelong relationship with both de and ill. It never disappoints me when I it isn't what I made it out to be. I would have missed all the joy had I been born a realist. Maybe in 20 lifetimes. I'm not through with de lusions yet.

NN in Pisces is meant to delude the self.

31/12/08 6:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

HA HA HA!!!!!

OMG 1628? really, i was sure the Scandinavians had them before that. I've wondered about the Nordic taciturnity

You could be right. History gets its facts wrong and I am the worst when it comes to chronology. The lower Europeans probably slopped their grump everywhere.

31/12/08 6:38 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Pluto on Sun more conscious than NN on Sun decision in immigrate? The decision to immigrate was done very consciously, but without any awareness of astrology. Delays made for the date which should have been in November...you just can't rush the universe's plan. Pluto, jeez i wish i could say that anything about it's transit of my Sun was conscious but Pluto has no lights on in the underground it's hard to see, you just kinda feel your way.

31/12/08 6:41 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

HaHaHa!!! roaring...

The lower Europeans probably slopped their grump everywhere.

That's why the gentlemen always walked on the outside next to the steet, if you recall.

31/12/08 6:44 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OK, so look at it logically. Moon-Venus-Neptune-NN in Aquarius rings in this delirious new year and here we are discussing magic as if it's real. And of course it is.

Venus just passed Neptune on her way to better things and a moment of grace descended. Jupiter follows and brings his extravagant self with him on the way to Neptune.

Meanwhile Pluto starts the long agonizing trip through Capricorn and the earth's evils are contemplated. Murders are enacted, thefts are continued, and all assorted crimes are watched. Hard times are assuredly ahead. They always are in some form.

It's division of labor. Some have to dream as an ongoing job. Only the serious need apply.

31/12/08 6:48 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL!

That's why the gentlemen always walked on the outside next to the steet, if you recall.

Why are the ladies so grumpy about the men??

31/12/08 6:49 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Pluto, jeez i wish i could say that anything about it's transit of my Sun was conscious but Pluto has no lights on in the underground it's hard to see, you just kinda feel your way.

It feels you. Pulls you by magnetic force. It's probably more conscious than we realize but that comes later. Some things that happened with Pluto on my Moon are coming back now.

31/12/08 6:53 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Well, i must confess that even tho i am a Sagittarius, Jupiter i often look at with squinty eyes.

He can take us on such a fun ride, you think you're in love, and the only one in the world, then it's "what? pregnant? See ya doll" Mix him up with Neptune and it could be the sorcerer's apprentice. Or maybe something in your repertoire that is even more dramatic.

31/12/08 6:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Jupiter with Neptune can bring swindles like you can't believe. But those can have their plusses in the long run.

If Joop got you in a family way then left you probably got lucky. Who wanted the cad around anyway?

It's true, though. Jupiter is not a benefic. He simply inflates, be it good or bad. Trines are OK ususally but conjunctions can be the worst. I personally don't mind though. It's all about equal since I have so much of the Jupiterian philosophical high and mightiness.

31/12/08 7:00 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

One thing that i find interesting is that Pluto is binary, a fused energy with Charon. They are locked face to face as they move.

Charon is the ferryman of souls, maybe it's Charon who sets us on the distant shore after our trip through the underworld?

31/12/08 7:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Sometimes I prefer Saturn since I feel justice from him. But I have a Saturn-Joop trine. I got lucky.

31/12/08 7:01 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

mmm moon, jupiter sounds like grace and wisdom in your case.

Jupiter in Aries - probably what makes me run like the energizer bunny.

31/12/08 7:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think Charon is a mighty figure. He protects us from the poison while in passage and guides us in the most frightening part -- the transition. He makes the voyage bearable if not easier. Sometimes I think the last of the trip on earth is the worst in anticipation of the crossing, but once we're on the river, we're safe. We float above. Pluto offers everything so we have only ourselves to fear.

31/12/08 7:07 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I like Saturn too, completely underrated, a stabilizing influence for Aquarians.

Njorn the mythical Caprcorn/Saturn figure of the north gave birth to the twin flames frey and freya. Fertility. Seeds are planted in cold dark earth and from them arise a chaos of life.

31/12/08 7:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes. Jupiter in Aries is energetic. So when Pluto comes, it goes to the source of it and newfound strength is discovered. The bunny might become stallion. Or tiger.

31/12/08 7:10 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I like your image of Charon.

One of my mantras: i am in the river with you.

31/12/08 7:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Saturn has much association with fertility down to the infamous sexual appetites of Capricorns.

The freeze before the thaw is worth considering. What life force is gathered there? A look at springtime in the cold climates is a clue.

31/12/08 7:12 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I think i'll stick with a reindeer's life for a bit.

31/12/08 7:14 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The contraction, withholding, coldness of Capricorn makes sense in this light. That's what leads me to believe that collectively a slow dark period is ahead as the forces of growth gather strength. Within that contraction, though, the seeds grow steadily. Expectation at a minimum for awhile helps.

31/12/08 7:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

A reindeer's life. Sounds so elegant and free. Good for cap times.

31/12/08 7:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The lone wolf is another one but I prefer the deer.

31/12/08 7:19 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

The enlivening energy is underground, keeping time, memories stored in tree roots. Subtle forces will have greater power, this is what i'm thinking. Flash will be gone. Won't that be a relief. Some of us will be needed to dispel the gloom, light some lanterns.

I've been thinking that meticulous and well crafted will gain appreciation. Opps maybe Neptune speaking in my ear.

31/12/08 7:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There seems to be an elegant passage as Pluto comes into Capricorn. A pulling in at first while Jupiter travels around and next time when he meets up with Pluto, Saturn will be there as well. A fascinating time and fruition if things, by some mistake, go well.

Patience will probably be a great asset.

31/12/08 7:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The enlivening energy is underground, keeping time, memories stored in tree roots. Subtle forces will have greater power, this is what i'm thinking. Flash will be gone. Won't that be a relief. Some of us will be needed to dispel the gloom, light some lanterns.

Beautiful. So right about the roots.

Subtle forces will have greater power, this is what i'm thinking. Flash will be gone.

My wish.

Great imagery. The well-crafted is definitely bound to gain. The dark is a relief at this point. The light has become a glare as if in a detention center. If detention actually is accepted the release starts.

31/12/08 7:29 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Interesting conjunction ahead.

I was thinking about Jupiter today and how in Aquarius it will be aligning with the eclipses. We get an extra set this year, i believe.

31/12/08 7:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So if society by some magic trick decided to shine the glaring light less on the crimes of others and more into the germinating darkness, with subtle illumination, who knows what would result?

It's gotten so the crimes have gone into the realm of magic anyway with so much lost. Vaporized into nothingness, disappearing assets. And yet, gas is almost free.

31/12/08 7:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There's a lot of Aquarius in the mix going with the intense Saturn-Uranus lessons. After the conjunction in 2020, Jupiter and Saturn both transit Aquarius covering the eclipses once again. Then soon after Pluto goes into Aquarius.

Freedom and bondage will be studied extensively and as I emphasize, the parting of ways with dictatorial behavior in Aquarius. Scorpio and Aquarius are the most often repeated signs in American presidents and US Moon is getting transited heavily. Something to be worked out in this land of the free.

31/12/08 7:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I imagine that the desired freedom, if it comes, won't be until the Pluto transit of Aquarius. Democracy is an idea more than anything. It takes a lot of personal development for societies to actually be able to practice it. Most want parental control, authoritarian grip. Back to the freedom from Europe we were discussing. We will see.

31/12/08 7:44 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Well Jupiter and Saturn may have other surprises in store for us.

Rhodes Fairbridge whom I've mentioned before noted a recurring pattern of climate change and could assign it to changing orbits of the sun. The relationship of Jupiter to Saturn determines the 8 patterns of solar orbits. If he is right we are on the cusp of the cooling period which will last for about 30 years.

Nothing like some real cold to make people think about what they value.

Last cycle was just about when those grump buckets were made, no wonder!

31/12/08 7:54 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Something to be worked out in this land of the free.

yep, i hope we will measure up to the next line....and the home of the brave.

31/12/08 8:02 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL! Bigger buckets!

You know how many times I mentioned the cooling. Global warming always precedes these periods. You and I know that greater forces are in play and we aren't privy to these plans.

I don't worry since I believe that all systems are self-healing.

The main thing is back to the pain of trying to predict. We're always prepared whether we know it or not. We are in the system, in our places, doing what we're meant to do.

Contraction looks to be the next evolutionary step however that's achieved. Like breathing, the expansion and contraction go on in rhythm. I've been waiting for fertility to decline so we can get on with it.

31/12/08 8:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'd love the brave to step up.

31/12/08 8:05 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I've been waiting for fertility to decline so we can get on with it.
Oh yes, and can we please add some commonsense?
Decrease and moderation by choice is preferable to the alternatives.

31/12/08 8:15 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ever been in a natural disaster? The brave do step up. It is in the everyday wobbles when we choose the
authoritarian government we mess up, we wait for someone else to clean up, and they don't.

31/12/08 8:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

commonsense? Commonsense?????

It is among the old wives' prescriptions and can always be brought back I suppose.

But the movie stars are on a binge and where they go, everybody follows. Maybe we could pay them not to reproduce. They need a little more money, I think. A mansion for each infant. In common terms tons of food, endless plastic toys, a car, plasma TV, 10 computers, trips to France, and fortunately, a college education in some cases which doesn't stop them from over-producing, but hey! They might be able to get a job.

Anyway, nobody's lonely with such a massive group. Right?

31/12/08 8:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes, an earthquake, and yes, the brave one did step up.

we choose the
authoritarian government we mess up, we wait for someone else to clean up, and they don't.


Hey hey baby. Exactement. Waiting for the cleanup crew who got busy messing it up in exactly the same way. Duh??

Government of, by, and for the people. It's true. Messing up in unison. Unity an' all. Inclusion. Include me. I have no other planet to live on at the moment.

31/12/08 8:29 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

commonsense? Commonsense?????
Uncommon i know, but then this is a thread about wishes....and circumstance.

With Scandinavian and Native American roots commonsense and Saturn are like warm gloves and good footwear.

I can't even think about the celebrities. I live without a TV for good reason.

OK so for another wish since this is the night for them, let Saturn do more magic in Virgo like, um, everyone, everywhere laughs hysterically at someone suing McDonald for making them fat.

31/12/08 8:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I didn't laugh! But my sense of humor is weird.

Let's sue Venus and Jupiter for making us fat! And get Pluto out of the slaughterhouses and into the treasure caves!

Saturn make us skinny!! Then we won't mind being in the poorhouse.

31/12/08 8:50 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm going to mix myself some new year's libation. Here's to Saturn!!!!! Here's to you! And here's to me!

Pluto doesn't need me. He's rich enough.

31/12/08 8:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And Happy New Year to all you Mars-Pluto grump buckets!!!!!!!

31/12/08 8:55 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

OOOhhh i like that Pluto in the treasure caves, there are a lot of lost copperlined boxes made by Venus. We need a recovery crew.

Good idea let's reassign priorities.

I'm sticking with licorice root. Venus and the moon went over the mountain but Sirius is up. To Saturn! To you! to Sirius !

31/12/08 9:05 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Wait, wait,"And Happy New Year to all you Mars-Pluto grump buckets!!!!!!!" are you trying to mess up their moment?

31/12/08 9:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Get Sirius!!!!!!!!!!!

Dogs and enlightenment.

We need a recovery crew.

Let's do it baby! I can't wait for these slow pokes. My copper lined box is brimming, bursting at the seams. I'm ready to live and love and let bygones return. What the hell!

Here's to sticky buns and governments of the subconscious! Rulers of the unruly! Freedom for all!!!!!!

31/12/08 9:13 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Wait, wait,"And Happy New Year to all you Mars-Pluto grump buckets!!!!!!!" are you trying to mess up their moment?

Me??? never. I'm as tolerant as they come. Grump buckets have been provided for in the upcoming budget.

31/12/08 9:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The stimulus package!!!!!!!

31/12/08 9:16 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

ooolala baby we speak the same language!

31/12/08 9:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Stimulate what???? I'm stimulated enough.

Stimm-you-luss. And magic pearls.

31/12/08 9:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Ooolala is it baby! Lala land. Oooh man ooh.

Yes that obscure language of the uninitiated, unentitled, unencumbered, and essentially free. You can't tax what I got. Nor stimulate it.

31/12/08 9:20 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

slightly more serious, I'd like to direct Pluto's attention to some promising caves in the Cayman Islands when he is out looking for lost treasure.

Isle of Man, some caves in Switzerland, we could draw a rough map.

31/12/08 9:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I love you SB.

And don't wax poetic on me!!! I'm mad as a hornet!

31/12/08 9:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes, a rough map. Can you imagine? Pluto looking for our treasure? What a magnificent thought.

Omg.

omg.

31/12/08 9:23 PM  
Anonymous Elena said...

Happy New Year to all y'all!
May we carry the spirit of heyokas in us!
Tseka, how wonderful that you have led me to discover this wonderful social revolutionary! It is another proof of strings tugging people together to unite in enlightening dialogue (the massive thread to my left :) My MFA thesis was on parody and mimicry (mimesis) as a way to place a distorted mirror to society so that reality and humanity can be recovered. From Aristophanes, to Jonathan Swift to James Heartfield. Unfortunately my conclusion was gloomy, but much is yet to be debated.

31/12/08 9:28 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I love you SB.

And don't wax poetic on me!!! I'm mad as a hornet!


Oh poop. i should be able to get some little poetic something in right after the I love you. but I'm plenty mad too.

The laughter of my friends is my stimulus. We have no plan. But neither are we scared. We are not the elite. We are the have nots, but very creative ones.

It will not surprise me if we don't begin our own currencies. Some local exchange. Communities have tired this and got shut down. Now the possibilities are endless.

31/12/08 9:32 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Elena!!!!!!!!!

The spirit of the heyokas!

Thank you for this wonderful wonderful comment.

My MFA thesis was on parody and mimicry (mimesis) as a way to place a distorted mirror to society so that reality and humanity can be recovered.

Omg. I'm in heaven. And I haven't even died. I was here all along.

31/12/08 9:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

Oh poop>

Never have I heard you more eloquent my dear SB.

We have no plan. But neither are we scared. We are not the elite. We are the have nots, but very creative ones.

We are free. And I am joyous.

31/12/08 9:37 PM  
Anonymous Elena said...

hahaha oh stop it jm!
ok ok don't stop.... :-P

31/12/08 9:37 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Elena! great topic for your thesis.

Well tonight JM and i are re-priortizing. Begone gloom. (exclusions for grump-buckets)

31/12/08 9:38 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It will not surprise me if we don't begin our own currencies.

We deal in different currencies. They have no idea whatsoever where to begin to find the switch to shut us down. Omg. I've known about us forever. I've been waiting.

31/12/08 9:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's the advanced idea of a "distorted" reality that leads us to knowledge. You can't imagine how much I love this.

Gloom can do what it wants. The buckets are in line!

As a matter of fact, the gloom is turning out to be a STIMULUS!!!!!!

The great economic vibrator from the sky is descending. We are so fortunate. Get that distorted mirror! Quick! You! The boss!!!

31/12/08 9:44 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

We deal in different currencies. They have no idea whatsoever where to begin to find the switch to shut us down. Omg. I've known about us forever. I've been waiting.

Very true. As an artist i have enjoyed the opportunity to spend my money within my circle. Now that includes the organic farmers who come every Saturday. Little bit, by bit we can expand this. I envision local utilities.

31/12/08 9:47 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

distorted reality mirrors, maybe a song there?

31/12/08 9:49 PM  
Blogger jm said...

In a way, everything we spend has a piece or our souls in it and the precious exchange can be recognized.

Little bit, by bit we can expand this. I envision local utilities.

What a thought. The big ones will be begging for our business. Big box stores are failing rapidly now and the drying up of cash looks to be worse that we will admit. The holiday season was a disaster. The sign I got was when I tried to put air in my tires. Three stations and the machines were broken. That's the clue for economic hard times. Stores shuttered, malls closing, and the desolation of vanishing abundance.

The government is trying to keep their thing intact while throwing the usual crumbs but I can't imagine Pluto allowing that. It can be easily bypassed in the ways you suggest. We artists, who have always lived on little and shared easily, will thrive. As will those who perform valuable services.

31/12/08 10:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The important thing is that we are all in this together from the top to the bottom. Nothing is really wrong or right. It's just the adjustments as life unfolds. There's not really a whole helluva lot anyone can do to dictate circumstance since the system is infinite. It works itself out and the reality is truly not what it appears to be. That's why I love the idea of distortion and trying to find the real picture. It's not there.

31/12/08 10:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Songs are silly by and large. But they're OK for certain occasions. Drums are a little better.

31/12/08 10:05 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

In the most interesting way some of the people who thought themselves elites are finding that they are on par now with us. Holding a ton of real estate and commercial properties that cannot be leased is turning out to not be wealth but an anchor.

You are right our survival skills will come in handy. Tho it still looks like we are in for a long labor before delivery.

31/12/08 10:13 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Drumming, now that sounds like a better Pluto, Mars night.

I'll choose to dance with the wind. It is a soft rhythm tonight. Venus, moon Neptune, still my preference tonight.

31/12/08 10:16 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I'm away, to visit with the night for a bit.

Wishing you a magically unfolding 2009.

If you see Myrtle Rae. Give her my regards and tell her i have sent Zelda a potion on the psi-wave.

31/12/08 10:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You are right our survival skills will come in handy. Tho it still looks like we are in for a long labor before delivery.

I've come to that conclusion and I am greatly relieved. I can relax and live. That's why I think it won't start to uncramp until Pluto approaches Aquarius and distribution of wealth gets addressed bigtime. The rich have a slow descent ahead and this country is due for major adjustment since we have lived too high as a whole for what the future needs.

That's amazing. The soft wind. I just saw a film with tabla drumming in the moonlight on a gentle night and my desire leapt.

Those currents remain while humans struggle to catch a little bit of it in between the other appetites' demands. Good to remember.

Something stays the same, steady and reassuring, while humans push and pull getting through the long birth canal of life. Or the digestive tract. I can never decide. Peristalsis rules.

31/12/08 10:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh I will, my Funny 1. Thanks for your wonderful recently Plutoed self, and all the love of life Sagittarius brings.

It's going to be a good year.

Zelda is in the know.

31/12/08 10:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sugarcubes song deus : 'to create a universe you must taste the forbidden fruit'

1/1/09 1:29 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

(((i love you)))

1/1/09 3:50 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...


There are so many books. So much consumption. Paper, ink, and whatnot. Maybe one book sometime Just to verify my material existence. A tiny legacy.


JM, you know that you could publish it online if the physical manifestation bothers you... no paper or ink.

m.p.k. -- are you familiar with the paratheatrical laboratories and subsequent video movies of Antero Alli?

I've heard of him, but not familiar. I love Breszny's outlook. There's a recent interview with him here: http://ncane.com/oov


...Thanks everyone for the wonderful conversation....

1/1/09 11:51 AM  
Blogger jm said...

You too ((((Chris))))!

You are a large part of why these conversations are so fulfilling mpk. Every time you come my thinking is stimulated with your serious intent, knowledge, and skilled articulation. And honesty. No fooling around, a genuine search for the great things in one another. It all comes out the way it is.

I get the feeling that the recent air transits, and the upcoming ones, coordinating with the country's chart and my air planets portend good developments in friendships. Something is urging me to embrace the opportunity.

Jupiter in Aquarius is the perfect time to reach into the higher mind, as they say, and share knowledge, especially in the philosophical vein, my love.

Jupiter in Aquarius can expand anyone's mind in any direction. You never know what's in there ... that vast space:-)

1/1/09 3:00 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

I second (third?) that online part. I believe Donna Cunningham has done something similar. It would involve some prep work but you could easily gather your node essays into something that people could purchase a "key" or code to download the work for their consumption. Of course you'd need it copyrighted just like any printed work, but that's easily done.

And you *know* that you have many fans, don't you? :o)

1/1/09 3:59 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

By happy coincidence (?) I just found out about a program called Full Access.

"Full Access allows consumers to read the entire book online, for free, on our website. It's not downloadable, so readers won't be able to copy and keep it, but they will be able to read as much as they'd like."

Maybe one option for you...

1/1/09 4:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL! "Many" fans? How many? It's hard to tell in this wonderland void of face and sound. The silence of applause.:-)

That sounds like a good idea and for the life of me I can't figure out why I don't get excited about success and money. I feel sorry for everbody that does. I'm a great believer in the unknown and I had hoped that Pluto in Cap would arouse me, but I always get so frightfully side-tracked in my world of the mind. However, money does talk and it's voice is getting weaker by the minute in my account. When it whimpers I should respond to the cry.

I do need recognition, though, and perhaps money is the way. Will it prove that I'm actually worth something?:-)

Most people are normal and want legacies, proof of their existences, and I live so spontaneously that it barely occurs to me. Who cares when I'm dead. certainly not me. Like the blues singer, Sonny Boy Williamson II sang...

Don't send me any flowers when I'm in the graveyard darlin'
'Cause I can't smell a thing


How do ya like that for rationalization???

I need an agent. Pluto???
Seriously. I've got to get serious.
And seriously, joe. Thank you so much for the encouragement and support. I love it.

1/1/09 4:32 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Full Access. Sounds interesting. I really have to do something. Usually when it's time, it's time, but maybe it's time for me to make it time.

1/1/09 4:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You know. I always question where I fit in the sea of sewage out there, but I'm as bad as everyone really. Human output. It's homogeneous in a way.

1/1/09 4:36 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And that's always been another part of the deal. How ludicrous it all seems to me. People trying to get people to love and approve of them. If only it would last more than a brief second. I've been searching for the lasting seed of self worth but if you look at it logically ... while I'm searching, people could be impressed with me anyway. Why not? Even if I don't really believe it. I could learn to. I'm not that old.:-)

It's relatively simple. Full Access.

1/1/09 4:42 PM  
Anonymous Elena said...

"God save me from the need for love and approval."- Byron Katie. A very intriguing nouveau self-help guru. Her writing inadvertently managed to make Buddhism and Nietzsche accessible and deeply enjoyable.
If life is perfect the way it is, why should I try to change it?Can I change it?

1/1/09 6:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Elena, I'm very interested in your thesis and the conclusion you reached. It's opened up a path in my mind which was always there but now feels expanded. Parody can be a high art and is probably a social necessity. To do it well... ooh lala.

If life is perfect the way it is, why should I try to change it?Can I change it?

I don't think so. Fix what needs to be fixed for maintenance purposes and ride on. I have a feeling that this so called change thing is going to be surprising. Wouldn't it be a parody if we discovered that no change was needed? Or that the mimic sent the same thing back on the public with a different face, a new costume. The trickster. In a way it would be better to accept life as is and find the treasures now instead of waiting. I believe I will.

If you change the course of events, or try to, you run the risk of missing some paradise you were on track to find if you just continued as is.:-) It can't be done anyway. But it keeps some people busy and out of trouble.

Don't we choose the mirrors we gaze into as we seek verification of ourselves or guidance in a personal way?

My view of things in general has altered suddenly and I don't care to assume anything good or bad about the future. That's what I call freedom.

I am fascinated by Nietzsche. And I think I'd prefer new ideas and understanding more than approval. It comes when it does. God save me. I'm gonna read Byron!

1/1/09 6:48 PM  
Anonymous Elena said...

well, funny enough the thesis was inspired by two modern day heyokas called The Yes Men (www.theyesmen.org)
my conclusion, which I am currently re working is that there is a gap of effectiveness as far as reception or enlightenment. If the parody is too caricatured then the "preaching to the choir" is the aftereffect. If the parody is too subtle, then the people it is intended to wake up completely miss the joke, accepting this distortion as a normal extension of their reality.
There is also the everlasting truism about humor: You can't be angry and laugh at the same time...(Anger, of course being the prerequisite of historical revolutions.)A novel idea circulating in my mind is also the phenomenological problem of parody and its insistence on appropriation. Hence, the diffusion of the shock effect of parody and its short-circuiting of the subject's thoughts which inevitably end with self-congratulatory thoughts of "getting the joke," which are then further extended into the correlation of the parody to its visual source rather then to the pressing social issue.It is simply stuck in hyper-reality (if I may mutilate Baudrillards term)

1/1/09 9:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That verifies my sense that parody is very difficult to pull off. I see what you mean about the obvious joke and its diminishing of effectiveness concerning social issues. I think Charlie Chaplain was an example of that where the social criticisms were obvious but the joke was separated. It's hard to tell whether or not the messages penetrate anyway, though.

there is a gap of effectiveness as far as reception or enlightenment.

I think this might have something to do with the evolutionary stage and the lack of readiness on the part of society. The thought patterns go around and around stuck in the groove. I don't know what unsticks them. The right moment maybe.

Those that stray from the norm are rejected, the same way, I think, that parody is solely a joke.

That's what is so fascinating about the heyoka and George Bush. He really is a clown and performed the function of parody as enlightenment so well but the people have missed it. At least consciously. He did it without knowing it. They think he should be in jail and that the next guy has saved the day and now society will advance.

But as long as they don't see the truth in Bush how can we? Laughing while throwing bombs. Looking under the desk for weapons of mass destruction. People say they're against the war yet how is this different from stuffing themselves in restaurants while the bombs drop and depositing their checks in mutual funds which manufacture the bombs?

Bush was such a great opportunity that appears to have been missed but I don't know what goes on in the unseen realms. If they couldn't recognize themselves then how will they know?

"Getting the joke" and the overwhelming need to belong is an interesting thing to ponder.

The path from the visual cortex continues, so even if it dominates at first, could not the social issue reverberate and eventually take hold? I'm interested because I use humor and social criticism in my work so much. They prefer emotional indulgence and "I feel your pain" stuff but I can't sustain interest in that. It passes time. The pressure to look at things with more focus and discrimination nudges me. They say laughing at the self is a potent medicine.

There was a film made by Satyajit Ray called, The Chess Players, which was a great parody of the lack of social conscience. In the end you couldn't tell if it was a good or a bad thing which is true parody without preaching. Really interesting.

1/1/09 10:36 PM  
Anonymous Elena said...

"Getting the joke" and the overwhelming need to belong is an interesting thing to ponder.

I wonder if it is simply a primal need for safety. The physical sensation of cursory initial recognition of something familiar, then the subtle mental agony and fear of realizing that it is a high-jacked "other" suffused with intimations of suffering,pain, mortality. Then the release and subsequent pleasure from re-asserting mental stability in categorizing the image according to mental concepts.
No clue. maybe I'm just getting ahead of myself.

1/1/09 11:26 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I wonder if it is simply a primal need for safety.

That does seem to be the main motivator.

then the subtle mental agony and fear of realizing that it is a high-jacked "other" suffused with intimations of suffering,pain, mortality.

I like this very much. The shock of betrayal and the exposure and loneliness. The sudden coldness and fright. And what wonderful sensations if one is really on the path to enlightenment. You're on to something.

The suffering other is OK when it's stated as such, set in tragic circumstances. But when shrouded in humor, it throws off the emotional body and that's what I think gives it its power.

Then the release and subsequent pleasure from re-asserting mental stability in categorizing the image according to mental concepts.

I think all of these things and more go on. So it becomes the cosmic joker laughing at human folly and tragedy all at once. The impossible cover-up humans insist upon. It makes then nervous.

I've found that within my sorrow I often see my folly, my clinging to my own tragedy, and these are some of my best moments. It can be done with emotional pain but not physical.

Then the release and subsequent pleasure from re-asserting mental stability

I think this goes on infinitely and it's what they call sanity. I assume that we teeter on the brink continually but some mechanism keeps us stable. The joker is a threat to this stability and yet we seek his lure into unfamiliar realms.

I see this whole thing enacted now with society and could explain my sudden detachment. The parody in the former leader, the shock of the revelation of the other suffering self - identity unmistakable - which is why people were so upset. And now the apparent order re-established.

This is fascinating. Uranus is associated with high comedy so I wonder how the "other" will reappear as the dance with Saturn progresses.

You can hear loudly the sigh of relief as society closes the door on the joker right now. Very very fascinating.

I'm tickled and interested. Now it could be making sense, my involvement when the parody started and my increasing disinterest unless it goes on to something more tantalizing.

2/1/09 2:10 AM  
Blogger jm said...

maybe I'm just getting ahead of myself.

Which self? Send one ahead!

2/1/09 2:17 AM  
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2/1/09 8:57 AM  
Anonymous Elena said...

sanity, yes. makes so much sense.
Had no idea you did political art too :)
My initial involvement was a sense of obligation and righteousness, and mainly guilt for not saving the world. I was on a mission(an ego fueled, self-aggrandizing one, but still). And I had minor actual success with the first action. But after the high came the fall. Now what? Am I really changing anything? Is this what assisting evolution means? Does evolution even need me? Does it need it its own existence? So many many questions...that probably don't need an answer:)
Ive put that movie on my Netlfix queue. Looking forward to seeing it.
I, too, loooove your writing on the nodes.But you already know that. Ive been gushing like a schoolgirl for months and months. If you publish it, great! If you don't publish it, great!

2/1/09 11:43 AM  
Blogger jm said...

John, a writer!! I should have known. You do have a way with words. The book sounds wonderful. Will read. What was jesus wearing, btw?

Thanks for this. I'll need something for my rapidly approaching old age, full of teeth at least, since I've never had medical insurance and I'll have to pay something for Medicare. Just in case I ever decide to get sick. At least I'll have to pay for the funeral. A simple bone-burning is probably sky high now.

So thanks for the info and energy!

2/1/09 1:42 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

I assume that we teeter on the brink continually but some mechanism keeps us stable. The joker is a threat to this stability and yet we seek his lure into unfamiliar realms.


There's a kind of joker, a conscious one, that is actually someone who is carrying way more of the life force than society allows to be on public display. The joker's demeanor is a mask to hide the power, because unshielded it angers people. Anyone carrying more than the accepted level of power or having more than the accepted level of fun becomes a target. And you have to learn how to hide it. I haven't heard this come up yet, but there is the possibility of an intimidating level of power that is masked, an element of danger masked, but not entirely masked. At the moment when the parody has become unbelievable, some sort of flash of incredible power is brought to bear through some physical or other means -whatever works. It's distorted, appears as an anomaly, and then vanishes again. Enough to keep the audience enthralled or mystified. Enough to keep them unsure. At the end they're confused, understanding isn't achieved, rather they're left in unresolved ambiguity, and this leaves a door open in the mind where symbols can work.

2/1/09 2:20 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

John, thanks for the info about your book!

2/1/09 2:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Elena, I'm so glad you showed up. With mpk and tseka's knowledge mixed with yours I finally understand the whole thing, especially the door closing on the clown. I can go on in a moment of clarity. This was a fantastic illuminating thread. One has to go through so many to reach paydirt.

I experienced the same things and I usually think that neither society nor evolution needs me. There'd be someone to do it. We all do what we do for ourselves. Evolution is doing a good enough job on its own.

I was on a mission(an ego fueled, self-aggrandizing one, but still).

Exactly as it should be with the 5th house you and I have. Pluto means our evolution lies in just what you described.

That's why I'm relieved and why I enjoyed this thread so much.
At first I was struck by the naivete of the people in their hatred and fear of Bush and I had hopes for their "evolution", but immediately after the election I saw it all and the naivete turned into too much blind optimism. Nothing has changed. It takes many moons for that to happen. Of course, in the spiritual circles they cling to the belief that magically in 2012, people will get it, but they're slowing down a tiny bit on that one. No one knows where we stand as a collective evolutionarily as know one knows what's ahead. I think we see in retrospect. Cracking the racial barrier was a good step but an infinitesimal one which won't mean much if the crowd doesn't still see where they are not. And as long as they keep separating themselves from the rulers, not recognizing themselves, they won't. They're in savior mode at the moment.

The same obedience remains as people now expect to stay lazy and do what they're doing while others fix everything. So I've helped nothing, other than providing some entertainment hopefully, better than the norm. To come to the realization that there's been no group realization sets me free. People come at all different times to deeper understanding. If there's no need for it yet, then it's not necessary.

I'm astonished at how attached they are to their leaders without ever getting the distance enough to get perspective, no matter what anyone who sees says. Astrology is manipulated for the above reasons you mentioned and is not exactly connected to reality on the ground.

But after the high came the fall. Now what? Am I really changing anything? Is this what assisting evolution means?

I've asked these questions many many times. I've always seen so much but felt mute. I couldn't speak up. I tried but was silenced. I think there's a way to figure out how to tackle the evolutionary problem by reading Pluto in the chart and I'm thinking of going into it.

I suppose that would be like trying again but at least it's not focused on the wrong people. I don't know what it takes for people to turn their hopes onto themselves. We're taught humiliation and obedience from the start.

That's why the sacred clown is so good. He doesn't love or hate us. He's amused by us. And unafraid. And apparently has confidence in our eventual education.:-) Ideal.

2/1/09 2:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The joker's demeanor is a mask to hide the power, because unshielded it angers people.

I know this one.

Enough to keep them unsure. At the end they're confused, understanding isn't achieved, rather they're left in unresolved ambiguity, and this leaves a door open in the mind where symbols can work.

Beautifully said. Ambiguity is god.

I'm going to delete the latest post and leave this on top because It's so enlightening and wants to continue itself.

2/1/09 2:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The whole thing makes sense for a minute. The crowd is wishing and assuming that circumstance equates with these wishes. Then some wish and let circumstance do what it does, wishing for wish's sake. By happenstance the two connect periodically.

It's interesting to observe.

One can almost live in an alternative dimension of wishes when they aren't forced to manifest.

2/1/09 2:39 PM  
Anonymous hajibaba said...

What happened to the train? Was it a figment of imagination? I liked the train. It reminded me of what a very charming Bombay lawyer used to say to me about the inevitability of spiritual growth: "We are all going to the station. Whether your car is filled with treasure or filled with a'stinking garbage, there is no place to go but the station."

2/1/09 10:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL!!
India is so poetic. Everyone's in on it.

The train is going back up and is headed for the station, all treasures and so on aboard.

2/1/09 10:57 PM  

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