Thursday, March 08, 2007

Breaking News

This amusing tidbit popped out from my paper today from a budding star, Madeleine Peyroux:
Songwriting does have that enormous power to communicate things that are not being communicated elsewhere, anywhere else, but I find enormous power in being an interpreter.
A little Scorpio here? She would do well to find some synonyms to perfect the "enormous power" of speaking.
Then this on the fabulous concert of Eric Clapton Wednesday night:
The sellout crowd reacted mildly at first, preferring to remain seated. Eventually the songs brought them to their feet, their screams becoming deafening by the end of the night.
Sounds like a nice evening.
And now the good news:
Have you heard about the Canongate Books Myth Series? Canongate approached writers from around the world and asked them to retell a myth in any way they chose. To date, there are six titles in the series -- just enough for a book group to sit down and chew on. Miss Prothero's Books would like to invite you and a friend to be a part of such a book group. We'll begin with Karen Armstrong's A Short History of Myth.
When: 2-4 pm
Where: Miss Prothero's Books, 1112 Santa Fe Drive.
Is this wonderful? I love the name of the shop.

67 Comments:

Blogger NEOBuckeye said...

Hi jm, I am finally getting caught up on your blog! Well, sort of. I don't know if I will ever be able to keep up, though! But I will continue to try.

I had totally missed the comments that you left for me on my nodes about 10 to 15 posts back. You said that you thought my 4th House NN (in Libra) along with my Cancer rising would be good for remaining in state, at home, rather than running off into distant lands. It's funny that you said that, and now I am staring to chain everything together.

Getting away from politics... That may be somewhat easier said than done. I'm a Lunar Capricorn, which seems to take no small amount of interest in political workings and such. My 6th House Natal Moon just so happens to be squaring my nodes (< 3 degrees), NN in Libra 4th house, with SN in Aries in my natal 10th house. Throw my ascendant in, and I've got something of a cardinal grand cross, and it really does seem to be tugging me in all four directions at times, even though I know that ASC and NN are where I should really be heading.

Hmm... NN Libra in 4th... destiny of a Home-centered Marriage or Partnership? I guess if I have to hang up being the political warrior, manager or leader, I could end up doing much worse.

9/3/07 12:47 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Neo.
I don't think it means out of politics entirely, since you have so much talent. This is a poss.

The main thing is the Aries SN 10th, which is the rage against the powers that will never be resolved, so you should have nothing to do with that part of it. Even raging on the blogs feeds them. The emotional investment in the hatred is a waste. It won't change a thing and will shortchange the rest of us who could benefit from your expertise.

With Cancer rising and the 4th house node, maybe local politics in a way that you can find intimacy with the people you work with and for, and can see results in benefits to their lives. It is the antidote to the crazed Washington horrors, both parties being up to their necks in the sewage. Circumstance will take care of them.

The Cancer you have is calling for you to take care of the people and try to soothe their wounds as best you can with administrative work using your Cap Moon in the 6th. Small machinations. Humble works.

It's an ideal setup with your SN ancient knowledge of how it all works, and the NN genuine caring about your people. But the hard part is walking away from the old rulership and using the Capricorn you have for something to replace it, which will be forthcoming with Pluto in Cap.

That's why staying in Ohio where you know what's happening could be a good idea. The helplessness in the face of the current rulership can be transferred to effective nuts and bolts effort. This is always happening, and although many are disheartened these days, things will change eventually.

The home partnership might take awhile to develop, but once you separate from the elite and focus on the close and intimate, it should follow. It's a coming home in many ways.

9/3/07 3:42 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Other main thing. Taurus, Capricorn Moon, Cancer. All highly productive. The destructive end of it is not your concern, and the building from the bottom can start anytime.

A lot is going on behind the scenes in positive ideas and actions...lots of money too.

9/3/07 3:45 AM  
Anonymous Hypno said...

When we are born our brains are like empty computers waiting to be fed information. As we grow our peers act as our programmers, they supply us with the knowledge which we channel through the conscious mind into the subconscious (our hard drive). The subconscious mind is the biggest hard drive ever developed - it stores everything we come in contact with and by no means is all of this information of a positive nature.
All that we have heard, touched, smelt, tasted and seen are stored in the recesses of our minds. The subconscious mind holds on to this information until we need to recall it. For example when you were young your curiosity lead you to investigate your surroundings. When you approached a substance that was dangerous, such as fire, your parents or guardians would most likely have rebuked or scolded you if you ventured too near the flame. Perhaps you may even recall an incident when you were physically burned. Your subconscious mind then began to relate scolding (or pain) with the intense heat of the fire and would therefore feed the feelings of the scolding incident back to you whenever you got too close to fire again, thus acting as an early warning system.
This is the mechanism used by our brains to learn. It is also the same method employed by the mind in every situation. The subconscious mind has a tendency to emulate what it sees - it tends to replicate its environment. This is why so many people find themselves in similar relationships and situations that they saw their parents in while they were growing up. Most people also hold very strongly or similar views of their parents.
Think of a time when you gave yourself praise. What words did you use? Do you use the same words that your parents or peers used when they were praising you? The same is applicable when you scold yourself.
Watch your internal dialogue. Look at it closely. It takes diligence to change the way you think. When you notice yourself thinking a negative chose to think the opposite. This way you neutralise the negative thought. Now the think the positive thought again! You have just reversed the negative thinking in that moment and remember you only have this moment. No other time exists!
Daydream about what might be. Imagine things they way you wish them to be. If you catch yourself thinking "this is just a daydream - a fantasy" then stop! Think the opposite. It is not a daydream it is your reality. Now think it again.
By doing this simple procedure you will begin to retrain your subconscious mind to think positively and you will ultimately begin to consciously create a life that dreams are made of! lucid dreaming

9/3/07 7:54 AM  
Blogger NEOBuckeye said...

Thank you for your insight, jm! You have a valuable gift with your expertise on the nodes, and I really do appreciate it.

Things seem to be in the process of becoming clearer to me lately, I also think in part with my Saturn Return taking place right now and a certain solidifying effect that I've noticed on aspects of my life. I'm sure your experience has been somewhat similar, given that we both share the same degree of Leo, although you do have the benefit of having experienced a previous cycle. You also have a ton of knowledge and wisdom to go with it. ;-)

9/3/07 11:14 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Neo, thank you so much for the encouragement. I always love and need it with that strong Saturn in Leo, even though it's the 2nd time around. It takes forever.

And that's one thing to keep in mind with the decisions. The Saturn is all about ego development in our lives and realizing our own significance. Eventually what anyone else is doing is just that...something they're doing, not effecting us often as much as we might think. Sometimes we hook on the others to avoid expressing our own talent but now after the return, it's time to do that. And me with my 2nd...it's almost past time! But not quite yet. I have a millisecond to work with.

When you have a moment, I would love to know your impressions of your Saturn return. The last pass is soon, so we should recognize some improvement.

9/3/07 2:29 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

Ah, Saturn Return! Mine has been a freeing, creative, sporadically enraging time. I am glad I found astrology before it began. A trip is most enjoyable when there is something to keep you entertained.

Have you read any Karen Armstrong? She's wonderful

10/3/07 12:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Chrispito! What a pleasure.

I am glad I found astrology before it began. A trip is most enjoyable when there is something to keep you entertained.

LOL! What a great description of astrology.

Karen Armstrong rings a bell, but I haven't read her.

Does that mean we have another Saturn in Leo here?

10/3/07 1:08 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

Yup, Saturn in Leo doing its magic the first time round. Karen Armstrong wrote 'A History of God' numerous other works and a book called 'The Spiral Staircase' which is a memoir of her mental breakdown after leaving the nunnery.

You know, some lite reading!

10/3/07 3:01 PM  
Blogger jm said...

How wonderful. Saturn in Leo. It's amazing how we've all congregated here. And one North Node in Leo to guide in this area.

I remember Karen now. I'm interested in the nunnery experience.

"History of God" sounds like quite an undertaking. Ambitious gal.

10/3/07 3:27 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Ah, Karen Armstrong. :-) I found her A History of God: The 4,000-Year Quest of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam about the development of religious perspectives on "God" to be very good.

10/3/07 7:29 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Hmm, "Prothero".

The family crest bears a lion rampant. The family motto is Deus pascit corvos. "God feeds the ravens."

Somehow that seems fitting. Must be from the reassurance, recounted in the Gospel of Luke, made as if to frightened children unsure of their worth and esteem:

Luke 12:24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds!

10/3/07 7:54 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

The book about her exit from an English nunnery (Spiral Staircase) is interesting. She left in the late 60s and after being in a nunnery that hadn't yet adapted the reforms the Vatican okayed, she found herself in a totally different world. She didn't even know about the Vietnam War.
Plus she was epileptic, undiagnosed, and was constantly being told it was all in her head.
All she knew is that she thought she was going crazy. I find her story one I relate to on a very deep level. Perhaps it's my Pluto and NN in my 9th house Libra, but reading about someone's spiritual reconstruction is so valuable to me.

10/3/07 7:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Hmm, "Prothero".

The family crest bears a lion rampant.


Hmmm is right.

Chrispito
This is getting interesting. The Pluto NN in the 9th is definitely
a deep interest in the religious journey.

I just wrote about this. The NN in the 9th and the specific search for god. Any more you can tell me would be extremely valuable.

Lots of the 9th NNs deny god, but it seems that you haven't.

The NN in Libra speaks of an identification with and sharing of others' religious experiences. I'd love to know more, and what it is about Karen.

10/3/07 8:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Luke 12:24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds!

I think a visit to Miss Prothero's bookstore is in order.
It's in the burgeoning arts district way downtown. Exciting things happening.

10/3/07 8:22 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Oh! She has a blog.

10/3/07 8:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG kad! Thanks. This is fun.

10/3/07 9:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This is great.

The rent was right," I said. "And there was Denver's Art district on Santa Fe."

He was looking unconvinced, so I added, "And the neighborhood's getting better, isn't it?"

The officer shook his head. It's still Dodge City, he explained, take your machete with you when you go home at night.


So funny. I feel safe there, but maybe I shouldn't!

10/3/07 9:06 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Something very intriguing about reading a bookstore owner's blog. One that's in it for the love of it, and can write slice-of-life like that.

I'm going to go through her blog when I have more time. I've got to dig in on a couple of projects due ... in 12 hours! LOL

I liked the snatch of poetry, from The Monster, On Living, that she quoted in one entry.

Perhaps it is
because lightning once tricked its blue fingers
along my spine, and called me

out of nothing...

10/3/07 9:20 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Ooooooh. I'm going to read some too. And get down to her shop. I go there often.

Get to work!

10/3/07 9:25 PM  
Blogger jm said...

March 30. That poet is going to be at her place reading. Thanks kad!

10/3/07 9:27 PM  
Blogger Kadimiros said...

Work!! I almost forgot! LOL

You're welcome. Good night!

10/3/07 9:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Good night kad! Now I can get to my pea soup and slow simmer!

10/3/07 10:02 PM  
Anonymous sige said...

ohhhhh, I own and have read that book of Karen Armstrong's. :-)

11/3/07 12:41 PM  
Anonymous christpito said...

Hmm, yes jm, I have read the post on Libra NN. I found it very interesting and will keep it to reference again and again.

No, I have never denied God. But for sake of argument, I have denied I believed in God, only when I was younger and still confined by narrow definitions. It seemed easier to claim I did not believe then to try and explain my beliefs to another person.
My mother was raised by Billy Graham converts. She a complete religious fanatic and her entire belief system fell apart when she went to her pastor for counselling (she had been abused when she was young and was coming to terms with it in her late 40s).
My childhood was spent in a state of anxiety because I couldn't understand what I was being taught. I was read the Bible and devotionals every morning before school for an hour. It all seemed like complete jibberish.
After the Pastor told her she 'wasn't praying enough' Mom decided none of us were going to church anymore (she's an Aries with Aquarian Moon, btw, I am surprised it took her until she was almost 50 to question her birth-religion).
She "still believed in God." I ended up leaving home at 16 and then moving overseas at 20 until I was 24. I guess that's a Libra Pluto 9th NN thing too, huh? I had go to the other side of the planet and wait out her transformation before I came back?

The thing is, I left when I was 20: she was 57. Her Saturn Return! I have no idea when she was born, but her Saturn is in Aries. When I came back, she was like a totally different woman. The relationship we have is beautiful.

When I left home, I made a conscious decision to not think about God anymore. I literally did not understand a thing about theology and it made me so depressed when I was a teenager I attempted suicide. Holy crap, eh? What 15 year old is so messed up about the Bible they want to die? Hopefully not too many.
So, I put it away. To Be Thought About Later.

I went to Europe and expanded my world, and not just by getting into a clubbing scene and taking mind-altering drugs. In England I ended up meeting people who talked about things that just MADE SENSE. Astrology! Reiki! NLP! Lucid Dreaming! And I never committed one way or another. I just absorbed day after day, year after year until now, well. This is all part of my belief system.

I have a 4th house Sun and Mercury, Capricorn Moon, Sagittaruis Rising. I am drawn back to exploring my own history, which is so intricately tied to the Church. Reading about people like Karen Armstrong is like therapy, because I don't know any other 30 year olds (at this point in my life) who can relate to this journey. But I think there are older people (like my Mom, who is now almost 67) who can.

The most intriguing thing of this whole thing to me, however, is the turn of events for the Pastor who inadvertantly pushed Mom over the edge: he ended up having a breakdown after his wife discovered he was a cross-dresser and was institutionalized. I can't help but think that being in the religious position he was in, he never got the psychological help he needed either (much like my Mom).

11/3/07 1:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Hey sige!

Good to see you!

11/3/07 3:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

First, I noticed that sometimes your name is "christ"pito and other time "chris". And I think without the "h" too.
???????????
Which one should I use?

This is an absolutely fascinating tale and I thank you very very very much. Almost all life stories fit the nodes, but yours is almost mythological in its accuracy.

What is especially interesting in your case, is that this often happens with the SN in the 9th. So the North being there makes it different. And the Sag rising adds a tremendous amount. So the religious history is a good thing in the long run, and something you need not extricate from your consciousness, but use in your development.

The Pluto in the 9th makes for a regenerative faith that can always be drawn upon, but also demands a lot of attention and probably a constant spiritual journey, beyond what most others can understand.

It's all all all about belief in a presence that can't be known in usual terms. But Sag wants to try. This verifies my belief that a tangible relationship with god is the desire.

Pluto 9th NN thing too, huh? I had go to the other side of the planet and wait out her transformation before I came back?

You understand this so well. Few do. The transformations in you come from being in other dimensions literally: hallucinogenics, travel, etc.
Saturn in Aries is a search for identity and autonomy, so her situation was less about God and more about authority. Yours, however IS about a higher power.

Very very very interesting since her Aries is on your South in the 3rd, meaning control over your thinking, which you had the incredible wisdom to face.
Once again, the nodal contacts in the family. There would have to be a lot of intercepts to get this nodal structure, which I've seen in extreme latitudes. I was trying to put this together with Billy Graham.

he ended up having a breakdown after his wife discovered he was a cross-dresser and was institutionalized. I can't help but think that being in the religious position he was in, he never got the psychological help he needed either (much like my Mom).

There is something about this. Organized religion and deviant behavior. I think lots of people in professions where they have a lot of power could easily be criminals, and actually often are. And we only see a small part of it. They can be scary, especially to the children. My SN Sag friend used to cry in church, afraid of the preacher.

The search for god takes in a lot of guilt, unfortuntely. I would like to see them as separate. We don't need God to absolve our sins, we should do that anyway with our corrective behavior. But instead, the belief is a conduit to knowledge, which your later pursuits indicate.

What 15 year old is so messed up about the Bible they want to die? Hopefully not too many.

LOL! This says a lot. Part of us always wants to die, but that's a whole other story.
And 15 year olds are messed up no matter what the reason.

You have an exceptional mind and I'm so glad you appeared. Your understanding of yourself, life, and astrology is extraordinary. You should be proud.

Maybe you can talk about your Saturn return. I am very very interested and you have such skill with verbal expression. I love listening to you. Your first comment hooked me.

I would also like to hear about your perception of god now. What/who is this thing?

11/3/07 4:22 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

"chrispito"

I think I have been Chris, but never without the 'h' as in Cris. Of course, my real name is derivitave of Christopher, which I find funny.

I must come back to this post after I have thought a bit

11/3/07 9:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Chrispito. wonderful. I love your comments.

11/3/07 10:22 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

Jm, I love your blog, and I have been visiting it for such a short while. Like, days.
There is a feeling like: Ah! I found my people! Thank you for fostering such a meeting place.

Pluto 9th NN thing too, huh? I had go to the other side of the planet and wait out her transformation before I came back?

You understand this so well. Few do. The transformations in you come from being in other dimensions literally: hallucinogenics, travel, etc.
Saturn in Aries is a search for identity and autonomy, so her situation was less about God and more about authority.

Oh, this is so true! She still talks about how 'dumb' her Bible College's rules were...even though she obeyed them all! This watered down to her children. She was so controlling and could never understand this daughter of her's who constantly contradicted her.

My Saturn Return has been unbelievable. I had the great fortune to make neighbours with a Piscean who shared her knowledge of astrology and very rock and roll SR with me (she is 7 years older).
I began with a 6 week trip to India during which I wrote an entire book. I couldn't move about 2 feet without having to write I was overstimulated, hugely.

I came back to town having found out I was kicked out of my university program having not paid tuition on time. Oops! I've really tried my best to explore my creative side, from painting to sewing to writing to joining a choir and taking web design...all at lightening speed, mastering some and failing at others.
It was a blessing to be kicked out of the program as I had some time to faff about and be...creative! It has felt so life and death at times though, I wonder what the hell I am doing to myself (Sun square Saturn, natally, enough said).

The most intersting aspect has been my relationship with my honey at home. We both have 7th house Saturn! LOL! And naturally, he is older than me. But it works. And, well, he is a Capricorn. With Saturn in Capricorn. So I made sure I got all 'Saturned up' before I began my SR. He he.

I love it here. Thanks for your kind and encouraging words. They have helped enormously in such a short period of time it astounds me.

12/3/07 1:04 AM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG!! Chrispito! I spent a year and a half in India. It was the most incredible experience of my life. I want to hear all about it. What part were you in?

I found my musical self there, and I will always always love India. I'm going back later. To the South.

I have so much 9th house Sagittarius, that I couldn't possibly not know about these journeys. I've had so much growth with hallucinogenics I can't even begin. I took my first acid trip in Afghanistan. Oh, there is so much to talk about.

We can continue the one-on-ones and move them up as we go. I hope others will read them, there is so much to be gained for everyone.

This has been working beautifully. I was disgusted with the other blogs, the hate talk, and the false spirituality, so I started this hoping to have a metaphysical artistic dialog, with some honesty. The people coming are wonderful. I'm so happy you are all out there and now here.

Capricorns can be good. Reassuring. I'm drawing them now with Pluto in Capricorn coming to square my Mars.
The only thing in the way of a great relationship with NN in Libra is running away yourself.

Creativity is the only way with a Saturn in Leo. Everything else should be secondary, except love which is part of the Leo lesson.

I took up sewing years ago, and it has been one of my hardest, deepest, endeavors. I love and hate it, keep running from it, but there is something big in it for me. I sewed all the drapes in my house, rayon chenille lined in satin, and they are gorgeous.

Oh, there's so much.

I'm thrilled that you're here. Come on in and relax. Make yourself at home, and with your Sag rising, you should enjoy some of the other zanies around here.

If you want to give me your birth info, please do. And if you don't want to post it, we can figure something out.

I love Sagittarius rising. I'm a Cancer with an Aries rising. Moon conjunct Jupiter in sagittarius.

12/3/07 1:45 AM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

I don't even know where to begin with the India trip. It was amazing. I think I spent the entire time laughing.
I was with my father, who is much, much older than me (he was 51 when I was born). It altered both of our lives so profoundly. To return to a parent to spend every day with him for weeks on end...
It was the perfect way to begin my SR.

I am so glad I am here. I started up a blog just today as you made it seem like so much fun! I'll post pictures and thoughts on it.

And now, the cat's meowing is reminding me to go to Dreamland!

12/3/07 3:03 AM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

Ah, and here it is. Have fun!

7 May 1977
00:20
Prince George, BC Canada

12/3/07 3:04 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I love your blog!!!!!!

You won't believe it! My father came to visit me in india when I was there. What an experience. He was a joker, so he said when we were in Benares, "Let's go down to the burning ghats and see what's cooking!"

I was with my father, who is much, much older than me (he was 51 when I was born).

Intersting. Moon in Cap. Many Leo Saturns love their Dads. I loved mine completely. Tell me more.

I'll look at your chart tonight.

12/3/07 5:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I traveled to Europe after my first year of college and met up with a friend of a friend in Denmark. He was driving to India and I joined him.

In Afghanistan, we were stopped in our tracks. What a fascinating place. We stayed there for a month and among the travelers was a group of Italian moviemakers. Wonderful bunch.

They had a bottle of crystal LSD that they all had been sipping from. It was supposed to be finished. They added a little water and told me to sip.

I entered enlightenment. The government was letting us camp out in their beautiful gardens outside of Kabul, and that's where it happened.

A very odd part, is that when a couple of uniformed officers walked by and joked with us, that's one of the moments I realized how enlightened I was. I felt a surge of joy.

I just thought about this. Something about authority?
Did I feel protected?

12/3/07 5:52 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

Ooh! Your Dad came to visit you?
That's so cool! Thanks for dropping by for a visit.
I have much to thank you for. Thanks for this blog, for one. And it is such good fortune to meet someone (there's a few here, no?) with Saturn in Leo and is getting the pleasure of SR, Part Deux.

I can completely picture you and your friends smiling and waving at 'the authorities.' One of those crystalline moments in life when you realize we are all just people.
Oh I am sure you were most definately protected. Protected by your sheer joy and humaneness that brought you there in the first place.

Dad and I went to India on a total whim. He received a settlement from a car accident, and my Mom didn't want to go anywhere. He had been to India in 1962. Actually, he took a boat from Melbourne to Bombay, then trekked overland, on foot, up through Nepal, over through Pakistan, Iran, then Turkey before heading up through the old Yugoslavia and into Europe. He tried to go to Iraq. Customs refused him.
"What do you want to do here?"
He told them he wanted to see the ancient city of Babylon.
"Well, it's just a pile of rocks."
And they denied them! So sad, as now no one will see Babylon again. He was so sad he never got to visit.

Ah, Dad. He's been in jail all over. Mostly for being a bum.
He was good to travel with. Lots of sitting around chatting and reading, looking at things like Indian worksites. They were building the metro in New Delhi when we were there. There were street lights that weren't even hooked up yet. Something is emerging there, all right! I'd love to move there. I liked the spirituality columns in the Times of India (English paper)...

Have you ever read Dervla Murphy's Full Tilt? It is a book she wrote about her solo bike ride through Afghanistan into India. It is a great read, from the early 1960s.

You most definately will go back. If my Dad can do it at 79 years old, anyone can!

12/3/07 8:14 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Incredible tales of your father. Not a traditional type.

Very strange karma in Iraq. I wonder about this, being the so-called birthplace of our civilization.

I think India is scheduled to be one of the next big powers, although it will take some time.

That book sounds fantastic. I definitely should read it. I was there in the late 60's and it was different from now. An international traveler's scene that ws remarkable.

12/3/07 10:00 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

Have you listened to Patti Smith's album Trampin'?
There is a song called Radio Baghdad, with the lyrics:
"We created the zero, but we mean nothing to you."

13/3/07 2:11 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Interesting. Good lyric. I really should check it out. There is a story there that hardly anyone here knows. The whole thing going on in Iraq is not what it seems. Big metaphysical doings.

We should be getting our tails out. Lots of things to work out there. Ancient stuff. We're neophytes in this country.

13/3/07 2:38 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

Oh, that album is wonderful! I agree that there are metaphysical things going in Iraq that many of us can't even imagine. As Patti puts it, "We're robbing the cradle of civilization."

13/3/07 10:45 AM  
Blogger jm said...

We're robbing the cradle of civilization."

Who's "we'?

13/3/07 3:50 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

OOOh oooh! You'll have to ask Patti!

13/3/07 4:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's hardly a happy nursery. Maybe we need another birth.

13/3/07 4:51 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

I agree, another birth is in order!
The physical planet is enduring a transformation, and metaphysically humans are, as well. It feels muddled to me.

When I was in India I was amazed at how many people flew kites: adults and children. It made me think about reading of kite-flying being banned in Afghanistan and I had a little: Oh! moment.
Flying a kite is so zen. But you're also having a relationship with something ethereal (the wind; the sky; heaven?) and are physically participating in it.
Something I personally have trouble with is that I do feel protected by authority, yet I also wish to break free and create my own little world. My own authority.
Birth, rebirth...what do you leave behind and what do you retain as a means to sustain yourself spiritually?

Thank you so much for the Nodes posts. I feel lucky I found them. I am digging finding a fellow Saturn Leo!

13/3/07 10:30 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

Kadimiros,
The crest and raven quote is beautiful. Thank you

13/3/07 10:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

yet I also wish to break free and create my own little world.

I think we have to. I often think we get into bonded situations just to experience the liberation.
Breaking free is one of the best sensations I know of.

I've got to see what's in your chart, chrispito. You are so creative. I purposely have been holding off just to savor my great fortune in meeting a TAURUS! exactly what I need.

So I stopped at that point just to enjoy this, but I think I can move now, ahead in a slow relaxed way.


I have a North node in Taurus and it's everything I want to become.

13/3/07 10:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

what do you retain as a means to sustain yourself spiritually?

great question.

13/3/07 10:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Just what I thought. Prominent Uranus, up there conjunct the MC.
Freedom's the word.

13/3/07 11:02 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

Busted!

14/3/07 12:10 AM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

I've got a secret to tell you. This fortuitous meeting has prompted me to reach out to an old friend I had a bad break with.
It was the comment you made about NN Libra, and the value of relationships. I thought: I miss that person and I'm going to reach out. Don't wanna be stuck in lonely little SN Aries!

14/3/07 12:13 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh! OMG! This is such good news.
You should never stay stuck in that SN. You have so much to give. What a great grand fire trine. A lot of spirit.

And I'm busting out of my SN in Scorpio. If you can do it, I can do it.

Sometimes those bad breaks heal.

14/3/07 12:23 AM  
Anonymous christpito said...

I think that bad breaks can heal, too. I have spent so much of the last four years being hurt that I actually have become bored with it.
There's living to be done1

14/3/07 9:40 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I have spent so much of the last four years being hurt that I actually have become bored with it.
There's living to be done


What a great great comment.

Back to the self inflicted factor.
I find this living urge to be so Sagittarian. Fire in general. The hurts in living are different from those when people pull back and feel sorry for themselves, using them as an excuse, and clinging, blaming, etc.

I think this is one of the keys to self mastery. how to use pain, and accept it as part of the natural sequence, letting it go when it's done it's job.

Really really interesting subject.

14/3/07 3:22 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

Last night before sleep I was speaking to someone about being old, like really old. You know people who live to be 115? Well, what are you doing between 105-115 ys? Probably a lot of sleeping. And praying?

To speak more of this friend, well, we have exchanged a few emails now. And I think of talking to her about how "mistreated" I felt...but I likely won't. How do you drag another person into the past with you? I have always felt that you can't. Resolution? Closure? Those things don't feel like they are dependant on my relationship with another person. Maybe I am wrong about this. Too Aries SN? I'd like to know what you think.

15/3/07 12:15 AM  
Blogger jm said...

How do you drag another person into the past with you? I have always felt that you can't. Resolution? Closure? Those things don't feel like they are dependant on my relationship with another person.

This is so wise. You sound so much like me with all your Sagittarius and 9th house. Truly philosophical. Very refreshing.

It's not a great idea to drag anyone through any of our shit. It comes by happenstance when we have relationships, but our troubles are not their doing. They've got troubles of their own.

When quarrels happen, I think it's really no one's fault in particular. Playing the innocent backfires eventually. It's circumstance and everyone plays a part.

The whole closure idea is psychobabble. It closes then uncloses.

I have the SN in the 7th, so I've mastered relationships. I know people will do what they will no matter what. If I can deal with it, we have a relationship. If I can't, we don't.

All the misunderstandings can be negotiated and absorbed if the relationship is worth it. Like my wise aunt once said to me, "You stay as long as they're helping you more than they're hurting you."

I'm not one to drag through the past at all. It doesn't help. They'll do it again. So I just as soon push on, and maybe complain about the near past misdemeanors as they occur. Throw a good fit when it's happening and be done with it.

People are the way they are, and when things go wrong, it's surprising how much we've engineered the fights when we really look at it.

But I'm a Cancer. Very forgiving. And my Uranus gives them an extra long leash. Separations are good too.

One thing I've noticed with Moon in Capricorn is a wish/demand that people behave correctly...manners, do the right thing. Well, they don't. So you have to bend sometimes or else find really advanced civilized people with common courtesy developed to an art. There are a few..:-). But many of them have clubs in their hands, and eat their meat off the bone uncooked!

15/3/07 2:32 AM  
Blogger jm said...

There was a gal in France who died a few years back at 121. She was pretty lively, smoking cigarettes until 118. I don't think they sleep much, having such limited time, although they may not move about. Praying? Damned if I know!

15/3/07 2:35 AM  
Anonymous chrisp said...

Jm, such wisdom. I feel very fortunate that I have met a 7H Scorpio SN person such as yourself. Especially with a 7H Saturn.
It's true what you say about Cap Moons. And I really did grow up NOT being taught any manners.
I mean, none. I was never told to say please and thank you, never taught how to answer the telephone, never used a knife, always licked the plate clean.
You wouldn't believe how appalled I have been with my parents' manners. I have had to explain to them how to catch a waitress' attention, for example (Don't yell 'Hellloooooo!' across the room). I acquired my manners from being told off by other kids' parents.
I think it is something so deeply ingrained in Cap Moons to uphold their integrity (not least because it makes them feel good to), and manners is a very easy way to achieve this.
But...this extends itself in a rather unrealistic way (as you know) which is complete OUTRAGE when others fall short of the *standard*!
LOL!
Who the heck can keep with a Cap Moons standards of decorum! Even I can't, and I have one! Ha ha!

I am pleased to meet another Cancer! Yes, you are forgiving, and I think Cancer's greatest talents are in loving others in a way that is asked of them.

15/3/07 9:50 AM  
Blogger jm said...

uphold their integrity (not least because it makes them feel good to), and manners is a very easy way to achieve this.

This is a great statement. You're right and it's so simple. I don't know what it is exactly that makes people behave badly when they could do better. Resentments of all kinds get stuck, and people say that these graces are phony. I don't care.
The other day I was in a store, and the checker was unusally respectful. Then the manager tuned in, and I said what a surprise it was to be treated this way. "Boggles the mind, doesn't it?" he said.

It's still with me. I'm hoping that the Pluto in Capricorn years will influence this. The way people eat in public is something to behold. I doubt if this can be corrected, though.

You should be around a good class of people in your life, in terms of grace and manners. Capricorn is aften about a rise in life. You've done amazing things with yourself already. The Moon being in the 1st house makes it all that much more important. It's your whole identity. A great combo with the truth telling Sagittarius and the demure Capricorn. You should be getting a lot of respect as you develop.

My Cap Moon people can teach others by example. Hopefully, some will catch on. And being around dignity is a must.

Cancer's greatest talents are in loving others in a way that is asked of them.

That's an interesting statement. Nver heard it put this way. Right now, I'm ready (I hope) to cut back on some of this and not be so acquiescent. The SN 7th need for approval is also implicated.

My Saturn actually presides in my 5th house. Here are my specs.

July 18, 1948
Binghamton, NY
12:14 AM

15/3/07 3:44 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

Ah, so true, eh? The need for approval! Pooh!
I just lucked across a copy of Liz Greene's Saturn, so I am learning more about Saturn in general.
I think getting caught up in 'obedience to others' can be really, really damaging for some.

I really turned a corner when I started getting into astrology and learning about having a 1st house Moon. It is amazing how crucial that knowledge was to really feeling like myself.

I see we both have a 4th house Sun!

15/3/07 7:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I see we both have a 4th house Sun!

That's a lot in common right there as we hide out here underneath the world!

Be back on this in a minute.

15/3/07 10:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Ah, so true, eh? The need for approval! Pooh!

Well put. One of life's inconveniences.

16/3/07 4:34 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I think getting caught up in 'obedience to others' can be really, really damaging for some.

Not a good idea in general.

16/3/07 4:36 AM  
Blogger jm said...

when I started getting into astrology and learning about having a 1st house Moon.

This interests me. How do you see that placement? And experience it?

16/3/07 4:38 AM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

Jm I won't be able to come back to this until later. I wish I could go on the computer at work! Have a lovely day!

16/3/07 9:45 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

First house moon: I have trouble deciphering between what is mine and what is another person's, emotionally. Especially if we are arguing. I will take everything at face value and completely lose my confidence and feel like someone hates me and I can't help but cry and try and run away because they tell me off. Even if I know I deserve it. It can't be easy for anyone.
I am so emotional, and feel so deeply, those tears I shed really feel like they are tearing me apart. Someone I love will feel like I am completely losing my mind.
Even though I have juuuust said this is what's happening, I then deny feeling as though I am losing my mind because I want to feel autonomous. I don't want them to think that I am helpless, because in my confusion I think it MAKES me helpless just by sheer virtue of them thinking I am...

No wonder I have pissed a person or two off in my day. This has the appearance of being highly manipulative, and I am trying to be honest and forthright, while also trying to maintain autonomy (and not have them fear for my sanity).

I pick up moods off people so fast I feel like they are my own. Well, I am better at this now. Thanks to astrology. When I was younger (like, 16) I used to read a lot of history books and narratives about holocaust survivors, and my parents would remove them from my possession as they knew I was capable of feeling very deep genuine grief for people. They thought I was too sensitive and would not be able to handle the truth.

I think I am getting a handle on all this. I am looking for ways to manifest this deep emotion. I have been practicing reiki and I feel good about it. I feel like a scaffolding for someone when I give it. I can feel things, and do something positive and relaxing for them. Which makes me feel calm, because I want to serve. I think it is the only way that I feel truly useful. I don't care about money (to my detriment). Just want to overcome what prevents me from serving selflessly.

17/3/07 2:11 AM  
Blogger jm said...

then deny feeling as though I am losing my mind because I want to feel autonomous. I don't want them to think that I am helpless, because in my confusion I think it MAKES me helpless just by sheer virtue of them thinking I am...

Perfect description of a 1st house Moon. The 1st house is all about identity and autonomy, and the Moon is dependence and merging. With your SN in Aries, though, the helplessness isn't a bad idea. Helplessness and overreaction aren't perfect, but a way to healthy intimacy eventually.

I always thought a first house Moon would be tough. All that spongyness so prominent.

17/3/07 3:57 AM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

That's the strange thing. I am tough. I'm not one of those people who are 'soft on the inside and tough on the outside.' I think I am the other way around, tough on the inside and soft on the outside.
Maybe this is where the sponginess comes in?

I think the extremity of emotion and helplessness I can feel also has something to do with my Moon being squared to Pluto. It's as if Pluto gets my Moon in a full-Nelson!

17/3/07 12:45 PM  

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