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posted by jm at 3:10 PM
Friday, March 09, 2007
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- Name: jm
I am a brilliant creation of the universe formed from the cosmic protoplasm sailing into eternity. I have two hands, two feet, a couple of great ears, and I'm clipping through life at a moderate pace; minding my p*s and q*s, crossing my t*s, dotting every i.
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Add shrimp on one for the Neptune sufferers!
Hello, hello
slip over to Neith's for exciting breaking news?
Oh you beautiful gals....
Congratulations neith! Onward we go!
Congrats Neith!
JM, I have an astrological question. Is it possible for Mercury Retrogrades not to affect you? What sort of astrological configuration might steady you through a Mercury retrograde? I often feel like Mercury retrograde doesn't affect me. Is that possible?
OMG!!!!!!!
Acousticgod.
I have been alone in my experience with Mercury retrograde until this moment. They have never affected me at all, and I have been reluctant to speak up, in keeping with my usual timidity.
So my simple answer to your question:
Is it possible for Mercury Retrogrades not to affect you?
is yes.
2nd question.
What sort of astrological configuration might steady you through a Mercury retrograde?
This is a great question. It has to do with reversals. Agility and maybe being a Jack be Nimble. Fast adjustments.
Mercury retrograde is simply stopping the forward motion and backing up. Same track. Not jumping to Kingdom Come or anything. I can go backwards easily. Just spin me and let me go.
At first I thought Saturn for steadying, but I believe I will have to contemplate this.
Sweet! Yeah, this isn't the first time I've noticed that Mercury retrograde doesn't seem to do anything to me.
Hey!!!!!!
It's just little Mercury for godsake.
I'm glad someone else around here is normal!
This is what I did this past Mercury retrograde.
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Oh. I did get my tires rotated and oil changed.
Left a long note in the NN in Cap thread. I think I'll be heading to bed soon. Thanks for your quick input on that. I see Merc retro affecting people, but as far as I can tell my mind and communication doesn't suffer.
I just was there. The Cap thread, and the reponse is in.
I haven't noticed a suffering in your communication myself.
Have a wonderful sleep and come back whenever you get the tickle.
Hi jm! You wanted me to post my take on this Saturn Return? Well, it is in my Second House, so a lot of what has been taking place has been about issues of security, financial, but also emotional. My Taurus Sun can definitely relate.
It seems about a year before the onset, just as Saturn entered my Second House, I began taking stock of my financial situation, which wasn't all that pretty. I began making a serious effort then to correct that situation by systematically eliminating debts and unnecessary financial obligations, an effort that has been quite successful thus far.
My Natal Mars is at 6 Leo, and is also in my Second House, so you can probably imagine what fun I had when Saturn decided to pay my nMars a visit! At the same time, I was confronted with a few immediate financial crisises, which I had to face up to and resolve. Those weren't fun, but it seems that Saturn conjoining Mars helped me in terms of doing what I had to do to get it all out of the way.
I think my actual Saturn Return itself has been about clearing away the old -- bad financial habits and obligations in particular, in favor of establishing habits that work and a firm new s-e-c-u-r-e (key word) foundation that will probably see a fruitful harvest by my second Saturn Return.
I do have this sense of "time and its limitations" now that has never felt stronger, like the clock is ticking, and I just got a little whisper in my ear saying that I don't have all the time in the world that maybe I thought I once did. It's time to put what I have learned thus far in my life to good use in building that security. ;-)
How about you, jm? What kind of experience have you gained from this transit?
Neo! Thanks for this. It's wonderful to know that we can do what needs to be done with focus and intent.
I do have this sense of "time and its limitations" now that has never felt stronger, like the clock is ticking, and I just got a little whisper in my ear saying that I don't have all the time in the world that maybe I thought I once did.
That's exactly what happened to me up to the next level. I surely am aware of the limited time left, but along with the recognition has come a sense of unhurriedness as well. I'll get there when I get there, and most of all: "if". I've had specific goals all my life, and intend to realize as much as I can, but some won't be. So be it! Some unexpected ones will be, though.
It would be wonderful to fully accept some limitation at this juncture, and appreciate what I've already achieved, while I go to the next phase after Saturn leaves.
Right now, I'm dealing with technique and how much more improvement I need before I do serious marketing. Trying to come to an accurate assessment from my judgement. What's good, what needs work, etc.
But most of all, self-confidence. You have Mars there which makes a big difference, so you probably express more of the Leo than I do. Or did. I notice how much people admire you on the blogs,
and this is part of it.
I'm learning to find my center of confidence and keep it there for awhile, reistant to the attempts to throw myself off. Just stay there and keep expressing.
One thing that's happened is a sensible retreat from the other blogs. I don't read them now, as they tend to distract me too much. For awhile I was really thrown off course following the others' lines of thought. But after the transit, things could change in this regard. Right now it's what I need.
I will admit, the urge to forge ahead in my music career is starting to build seriously again. I think this will be a remnant of this interesting transit. Very interesting. I think I've improved in letting myself out, but you never know..:-)
The cat does seem to be out of the bag.
Speaking of Mercury Rx not affecting people... it's akin to Saturn not being the fearsome entity I keep hearing about. I'm certain it has to do with his placement in my chart. Crusty old teacher that I have a healthy respect for but I'm not terribly intimidated by him.
Maybe my second return will be different.
Weighing in on the Merc Rx i personally look forward to it! I have merc rx in sag in my 10th. When merc goes backward my brain clicks into gear. My natural way of thinking in finally in synch. I write poetry, paint more during merc rs than any other time. I look forward to them as vacations.
I remember the time thing with Saturn. No more waiting. Time to have a child for me. After a series of failures Saturn got me through it. Well that would be Saturn/Mars both on their return to my natal chart with Pluto.
Congratulations neith! Onward we go!
Thanks!! Just a note about these writing assignments . . . the whole thing was done online. From being asked to do them, signing contracts, submission of materials, etc. The only thing that wasn't was the check in the mail . . . :-) I didn't even have phone conversations with my immediate supervisors until months later.
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Different Mercury Rx's affect me differently. Perhaps i feel them more because Mercury in right on my ASC emphasizing his influence in my chart. Sometimes i drop the ball during those times, sometimes I'm dealing with the results of others doing so. I will say i noticed Mercury Rx much, much less when not working outside the home . . . & about the only persons I dealt were my S/O and my dog! :-)
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Having no earth to speak of in my chart (Virgo MC), Saturn has played a major role in keeping me grounded over the years. It does seem that the lessons learned are cumulative if one heeds them. I am much more comfortable about stepping up & claiming my due as a creative person now than ever before. The Saturn transit to nMars is actually tougher sometimes as Mars is my chart ruler & he always wants to push ahead . . .
This thought about Saturn popped into my head while doing dishes . . . Saturn teaches us how to exercise our creativity while coloring within the lines. Neptune is all about creativity with no boundaries and Uranus is willing to try anything once . . . but we need Saturn to help us actually produce a body of work, no matter what the medium is. Learning to see our works as very good is one of the lessons for Saturn in Leos.
Crusty old teacher that I have a healthy respect for but I'm not terribly intimidated by him.
I love this way of putting it. You are so experiential in your descriptions, which you know I believe is the way to go.
I like the way you express affection for Saturn which makes me think that you will do well with the lessons and even the NN in Capricorn.
On Merc retro:
I look forward to them as vacations.
Love this.
After a series of failures Saturn got me through it.
This is Saturn exactly. I think there is a lining of knowledge in the failures, but it takes an already advanced person to recognize this. It's why I feel guidance and protection from this entity. The knowledge that success and failure are not always what we think they are.
I'm seeing that more and more clearly this time around.
One of the main differences for me between the first and this second return, is that I've internalized the standard of judgement.
In the first go round, I was written up in the paper and finding some commercial success. This time I'm not looking in that direction. I'm going inside for the source of Leo within and the Saturn validation there, as well.
I think I quickly saw the first time that it would be wise not to pursue major success yet, which might have been the best part of the lesson.
I find it interesting, neo, that you talked about your personal progress even in this first one.
Between you and joe, I wonder if a Moon in Capricorn helps to understand this before the others. That the Saturn judgement is our own.
"This time I'm not looking in that direction. I'm going inside for the source of Leo within and the Saturn validation there, as well.
...the Saturn judgement is our own."
You are very, very much wiser than many to do that.
That reminds me of something I read tonight. I was looking to use a gift card (sent by my Leo brother) for my birthday. I came across a new book about presence and empowerment.
At one point, the book comments: "...desire for attention and acceptance can be positively and creatively channeled as is accomplished through many aspects of the creative and performing arts. However, this first entails learning how to give ourselves the attention we are seeking from others."
It describes the alternative as: "Instead of choosing to develop the emotional maturity required to 'give' ourselves the attention that we seek, we prefer to manifest outer drama so that we can 'get' this attention from others. When we commit to giving ourselves the attention we seek, we commit to our freedom. Now is a perfect moment to choose to grow up emotionally. It may not be the easiest choice, but it is the most responsible."
It struck me as a Saturn in Leo moment. :-)
It's a complete Saturn in leo moment appropriate with all of us here.
When we commit to giving ourselves the attention we seek, we commit to our freedom
Very good way of saying it. The energy is building now as Saturn is getting ready to go direct and leave Leo at the end of summer. So the last of the lessons (NN included) are coming home. This will be interesting with so many of us here with the placement.
It's been easy to direct the focus inward this time. I feel that a definite outer manifestation will come as a result after Saturn leaves.
I wonder how I got past that issue as I developed my artistic abilities. Food for thought!
It's very very good to talk about the experience as we go. A first for me on this level.
When Saturn is in Leo there is a temporary barrier between the person and his self-realization. The creative flow is often blocked, or if not, the experience of self-realization is. The perfect circle of outpouring and inner transformation is interrupted, and the the man often pours his energy out and receives nothing back because his own sense of inadequacy prevents him from realizing that it has nothing to do with the audience.
I wonder how I got past that issue
NN in Leo. Sometimes teachers help. I had one teacher in HS that bypassed the barrier and brought my full self expression out easily. One of the most important years in my life. She put me center stage and I rose naturally to the occasion.
"I wonder why" is a good question.
Yes, it's great to get confirmation at first. :-) It's like having a touchstone.
And valuing the intrinsic reward is essential.
That probably was indeed the touchstone of my life.
And wouldn't you know, I've been thinking a lot about her lately. Miss Longo. She was the only one who recognized me and the attraction was so urgent, she went to the school board to create a special roundtable class with me as the center. Never done before in the school.
The interesting thing is that I had none of the blocks I usually have being in the soptlight. I guess timing and environment are everything.
I should picture myself there as I go forward now. Completely comfortable and self confident. Of course, without my external guide now.
Wow! What a wonderful memory to have.
Well, you know, that experience is a part of you, forever and forever. :-) You've internalized it somewhere, so it must be part of your emotional repertoire.
A very big part. She is my inner guide, of course. I came upon her in my life to fulfill that purpose. And I loved her so much.
It's easy. She's me and I can bring her fully into focus, continue to love her, and thus reach that Saturn in Leo you talked about earlier.
of course, the interesting part is that I was singled out to lead the class in discussion of life and ideas. The books we read. We sat in a circle discussing them all year. She relinquished her teacher's role and sat in the circle, letting me take charge. It's amazing to think about. I must reconnect.
"And wouldn't you know, I've been thinking a lot about her lately. Miss Longo."
It might work both ways, wherever she is now. You have to be an important part of her experience, too. :-)
"She relinquished her teacher's role and sat in the circle, letting me take charge. It's amazing to think about."
That is amazing. I wonder how that may have affected some of the other students later in life. Maybe you were all meant to come together for that to happen at that time.
Saturn is a symbol for teacher. Interesting that she stepped down from that role, and set a Saturn in Leo person up. Do you feel that connects to the theme of Saturn in Leo?
That is amazing. I wonder how that may have affected some of the other students later in life. Maybe you were all meant to come together for that to happen at that time.
She handpicked 13 students to be in the class.
Saturn is a symbol for teacher. Interesting that she stepped down from that role, and set a Saturn in Leo person up. Do you feel that connects to the theme of Saturn in Leo?
Not until just now.
Ummmmm. Ohmmmmmmm.
The other fascinating part, is that she was the most popular teacher in the school. loved by the cliques. I wasn't accepted by them, but she left her role to some extent to do this with me.
All of this is amazing. I've thought about it a lot, but never has it come home like it has tonight. Thank you kad. You ARE good at seeing the parts and helping the sorting process. Excellent.
You're welcome!
Yes, amazing image. The role reversal. And the Saturn in Leo child put at the center to lead a class about life and ideas. :-)
There are a lot of hidden riches in the psyche. More than can be consciously remembered.
But you can remember enough. :-)
You are really something. What an analysis. The Saturn in Leo child and the role reversal. This is very very very good. I feel an effect growing. Memories that surface. Interesting when they take on new life with a new cast.
I'm amazed and delighted.
"...desire for attention and acceptance can be positively and creatively channeled as is accomplished through many aspects of the creative and performing arts. However, this first entails learning how to give ourselves the attention we are seeking from others."
That's awesome. I've been thinking that in relation to love for some time, but I never thought about it in other areas. Makes a lot of sense.
That's probably my block with regard to performing [alone]- that over-criticalness. I've been thinking that maybe somehow I'll make a name for myself without ever having to expose myself, like maybe I could be an internet star or something. I should just accept myself as a public performer and go for it.
I have so many blocks when it comes to expressing myself through my music.
I should just accept myself as a public performer and go for it.
I have so many blocks when it comes to expressing myself through my music.
I hear ya loud and clear on this one. I think a lot of musicians do. We've got to do it anyway. No one else can and we need music.
What blocks?
What blocks?
Well, music has always come easiest. I can make music anytime I want.
Marrying music with words is tough. Sometimes writing words is tough for me.
Often I think that I need to record my music first. Then I think I'll be able to listen to it, hear what it says to me, and play around with singing. Part of the hang up with writing words is that I'm not sure if they'll sound smart enough, so I want to hear them with the music before making my choice.
And then there's just the block of taking the time to record the music, because that's quite a chore in itself.
So those are most of my putting-music-together blocks. Once I get through these, then I can tackle how to pursue a career in it.
"I'm not sure if they'll sound smart enough, so I want to hear them with the music before making my choice."
Not sure what "smart enough" means. :-)
A very important thing in art, whether good or bad by anyone's standards, would be that it has conviction.
Marrying music with words is tough. Sometimes writing words is tough for me.
This is almost always the case with musicians. They mostly feel less sure about the lyrics. And I know what you mean about "smart enough".
The fact is, a lot of musical lyrics really aren't that smart. I like them anyway. I've had to accept some of this. The "smart" songwriters often don't catch the rhythm, so it's a tradeoff.
A lot of the old songs were perfect, and some of the silliness in lyrics really had charm. Even the corniness. You have to know just how to do it.
OMG!! Mr. kadimiros.
We were posting simultaneously on the same subject!
A very important thing in art, whether good or bad by anyone's standards, would be that it has conviction.
Excellent. A genuine quality. Of course, with music, it should sound good...if that's at all possible.
Very true about smarts and others' standards.
"You are really something. What an analysis."
Of course, it's not just "me" in how that played out. :-) People attract spiritual forces when they introspectively search.
Hmm...and I get the impression that they've been conferring in a huddle. Uh-oh. :-|
well, I don't want to start fussing again, but....
The NN in the 6th is an extra special gift with sorting and analyzing.
I also love it, having my Mars ruler in the 6th, so it's pretty much a match made in analyst's heaven.
Those huddling spiritual forces. At it again!
"Of course, with music, it should sound good...if that's at all possible."
Yes. Thankfully, conviction and quality can help each other develop, even if misaligned at first.
The good thing is that it seems a little easier to loosen up starting from a technically tighter place than the other way. At least, that how it was said to be for some of my art peers.
I've always been technically loose, so I can't say. I punch in the essentials. The framework.
Thankfully, conviction and quality can help each other develop, even if misaligned at first.
I think they are always misaligned at first. Probably the way to learn and integrate.
Quality, though, is an inner thing. It's there or not.
"The NN in the 6th is an extra special gift with sorting and analyzing."
Hmm, that's an interesting way to look at it! I have to take another look at that house. I'm still taking baby steps with the idea of houses. :-)
One thing I've considered is writing as if no song has ever been created. Just take away the competition and be genuine in whatever expression comes out.
The 6th has given people a hard time. Very difficult to define.
It's operation, maintenance and repair of all machines in our lives. On all levels.
So the diffuse spirituality of the 12th finds form in the 6th, and often in terms of "ritual" and practice. Many of the pusuits you speak about fall into this house.
The 6th is soma. The 12 spirit. And this the connecting place. A perfect body as an expression of our spirituality.
Reverence also comes in here. The 4 hour tea ceremony, for example. Every motion having meaning.
I love the 6th. very interesting place.
It's also about the creating of internal order, after the mess in the Leo 5th, and right before entering relationship in the 7th.
Virgo and the 6th are totally immersed in patterns. How to use them. How to discern the order in the maze. And how to distill and break down to essentials.
One thing I've considered is writing as if no song has ever been created. Just take away the competition and be genuine in whatever expression comes out.
I like this. The other songs can be a huge distraction.
It's also practice. I've been writing for 40 years, and it is a lot easier now. The first ones were pretty bad. Bad poetry. But I quickly got the hang of it.
I think you are really right. Not to think of what others will think. At least while doing it.
"One thing I've considered is writing as if no song has ever been created. Just take away the competition and be genuine in whatever expression comes out."
I think that's an excellent approach. :-)
It's good to create art from the internal source. That sorts out everything. The rest can build on that.
It's good to create art from the internal source. That sorts out everything
That alone is good to contemplate for the evening's festivities.
"I love the 6th. very interesting place."
Hmm...AcousticGod has that Mars 6th placement as you do. :-)
Oh yeah!
You know I was just thinking about that. It's good for music, Intervals are so important, and the skill and dexterity of the 6th are perfect for musicians.
Precision tooling in the 6th. Accuracy, no waste.
"It's good for music, Intervals are so important, and the skill and dexterity of the 6th are perfect for musicians."
Mars seems to have an affinity for the beat. :-)
"That alone is good to contemplate for the evening's festivities."
And it works for most other things, too. Consciously knowing one's main values -- the couple of areas, activities, goals, etc. -- that are currently important in one's life, aligns the self, immunizes from unjust criticisms, from stereotyping, and clears up distractions and unhappy entanglements. Real self-esteem and priorities.
Mars seems to have an affinity for the beat. :-)
OMG. How right can a person be?
aligns the self, immunizes from unjust criticisms, from stereotyping, and clears up distractions and unhappy entanglements. Real self-esteem and priorities.
This PRECISELY what I desire.
Can it be real? That we can help one another reach our goals, even some dreams?
clears up distractions and unhappy entanglements.
Amen, my brother.
Can it be real? That we can help one another reach our goals, even some dreams?
Yes, I believe so. Of course my chart is tremendously focused on the general area of others, but I believe that people are our best help and teachers. To me, the more social interaction you have, the better social interactions become, and a lot of life is social interaction. (Aqua MC)
"OMG. How right can a person be?"
Hmm? Wasn't it obvious? :-)
beautifully said, acousticgod.
the more social interaction you have, the better social interactions become
Especially good point. The Neptune transit of Aquarius is just past the middle and getting good.
Hmm? Wasn't it obvious? :-)
Well, I forget sometimes. And you know why?
DISTRACTIONS!!!!!!!!!!
but I believe that people are our best help and teachers.
I just love this.
Yeah, having been socially awkward at times in my life it's always been more interaction with people that's pulled me out of it. For one as Mercurial as me it's all about new experiences, new ideas, and new perspectives. Part of me always wants to be that exploring child looking for the next new thing. I could blame this on my:
Mercury Sextile Uranus
You have a very quick mind and love to discover new angles and ways of thinking. Discovery gives you pleasure. Some people find new ideas frightening, but you enjoy them; in fact, you are quickly bored if the same ideas are repeated over and over.
You will form your own opinions very early in life, although you will probably change them as you grow older. But you always have to be free to draw your own conclusions. If someone tries to limit your thinking or keep you from thinking about certain ideas, you will be even more attracted by those forbidden ideas.
Try not to be a shallow thinker. Your mind can cover a number of subjects very quickly, but you may tend to move on to something new before you have really understood the first subject.
Gemini is the most people-lovinist of them all.
Ag, I'm all Mercury/Uranus and I LOVE IT!!
Uranus in Gemini....3rd house
Venus in Gemini conjunct this Uranus.
Mercury just a step away.
love to discover new angles and ways of thinking
And how!! Uranus. Opposites. Tangents. Angles.
you are quickly bored if the same ideas are repeated over and over.
And how #2.
But you always have to be free to draw your own conclusions.
And how #3. I am free and I do.
you may tend to move on to something new before you have really understood the first subject.
shortcuts, ag. Gotta have'em. Boredom and all.
Part of me always wants to be that exploring child looking for the next new thing.
Gemini through and through.
Wow! Never saw this before now. You do go back awhile! I'm actually going back to find your chart info again. I lost it.
July 18, 1948
Binghamton, NY
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