Tuesday, June 12, 2007

Plutoed Out??

Has evolution got you down? Do you need a pick-me-up after descending into the depths of purgatory with just a little further to go? Try some of this.

A specially patented remedy from Neptune guaranteed to alter your frame of mind and make the rest of the journey look highly attractive.
Let it cool a bit.
 

Warning! Sip slowly to avoid possible effects from the Neptune opposition. Hallucinations may occur when Saturn is more than 5 degrees away. Do not operate any heavy machinery.

31 Comments:

Anonymous Analysa said...

In the last few years I started to fly in my dreams. To fly in dreams is WONDERFUL! The flying however wasn´t always that easy, often I would come right down to earth when I became aware of what I was doing, at other times I would struggle taking off, something disappointing. The last two nights I dreamt again that I flew. However, this time it was totally different than before. I was in total control. I could go up and down with ease, speed up or slow down and I had no fears at all, I was in the pure joy of flying. Just amazing!

Well, I´m thinking, is this a sign that liberation in near by? Your post today just seems to confirm that to me and I do want “the rest of the journey to look highly attractive”.

The remedy has had its effect, I feel highly energized! Yummy!

12/6/07 7:27 AM  
Blogger Neith said...

To fly in dreams is WONDERFUL!

My absolute favorite dreams are flying dreams . . . and for some reason they have slipped away from me. hmmmmmmmmmmm - I will have to consider what's changed, perhaps being more grounded now than ever before in my life.

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Do not operate any heavy machinery.

LOL! Don't worry, Saturn is putting the brakes on this person for awhile! :-)

12/6/07 8:45 AM  
Anonymous Analysa said...

Being well grounded is essential in life and if you are happy with were you live, maybe you don´t need to be flying much.

I´m planning a big move (I do mean a physical move) and for that I had to take some flying lessons - this liberation process I´m going through.

12/6/07 12:19 PM  
Anonymous casey said...

OMG! How on-point is this one!!! snorfle. I AM pluto-ed out.

12/6/07 12:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Flying.
these dreams symbolize your strong mind and will. You feel undefeatable and nobody can tell you what you cannot do and accomplish. Undoubtedly these dreams leave you a great sense of freedom.

If you are flying with ease and enjoying the scene and landscape below, then it suggests that you are on top of a situation. You have risen above something. It may also mean that you have gained a different perspective on things. Flying dreams and the ability to control your flight is representative of your own personal sense of power.

Whatever the flying dream, the timing of the dream is likely to signify mental recovery and the realization of a learning experience. They usually follow episodes of depression or intense periods in your life. Even when the dream flight is to escape danger it shows that your psychological state is on the way up, you have found a solution and you are dealing with a change in yourself or a change in your life!


I haven't had a flying dream in a while either.
perhaps being more grounded now than ever before in my life.

That would be great, although I still feel like a lightning rod!

Plutoed out???? After Moon, Jupiter, Venus, and Uranus, and four straight years, I thought I'd had enough. Well, Mars is right on deck. 0 Libra.

Maybe I should take flight right now!

I'm definitely going to need a potion.

12/6/07 1:14 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And lest I forget.
Mercury. 5d Cancer.

My recurrent dreams throughout my life were losing teeth, tidal waves, applying the brakes and nothing happens, and trying to play the piano and the keyboard keeps wobbling.

I've had none of these lately. My water dreams are in swimming pools. More contained emotions? It's fascinating to take a look at this. Maybe we really do change. I wonder if they point to problems asking to be resolved, and if they do get resolved, the dreams end.
Hmmmmmm. I swim all the time now. Started about 5 yrs ago. I remember swimming the night my father died. I wonder if this simple practice has helped me keep control of myself. I was very emotional about my father.

OMG!!!!!!!!! I just remembered an age old water dream I had with me and my father. Endless pools we were walking by.

There are several dreams that stood out so vivdly I remember them to this day. I think that's revealing. They have entered consciousness for good.

I dreamt I was with child the other night.

12/6/07 1:51 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

I had a dream this morning that a brown seal (you know, the sea going, furry type) was digging up a sewage main in front of my house.

I used to dream of flying, but only after I'd practised it for a long time, night after night of failing confidence. It was so enjoyable when I could do it, although I could only take off and land from a deserted beach between the sea and an industrial city so I was limited where I could go, mostly just over the sea and inland a little bit. It took me many years before I convinced myself that dream flying didn't need to happen only at the beach, only then I discovered I had to contend with electrical lines and low flying airplanes.

I dream infrequently these days but when I do it's a real doozy.

12/6/07 2:45 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I had a dream this morning that a brown seal (you know, the sea going, furry type) was digging up a sewage main in front of my house.

If that isn't Pluto. How clear. I wonder what the seal represents. Land and water. Breathing. Jupiter 29 Gemini and 3rd house Saturn. Communication and blockage. Seals are so talkative.

It reminds me of your Neptune-SN in Scorp in the 12th, nathan. The sea and Pluto's plumbing.

The fur?

12/6/07 3:09 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Maybe it's a selkie. In Ireland and Scotland they used to tell of the seals which can shed their skins and take on human form for awhile. They always return to the sea, but if a human finds or steals the skin, the selkie is under the human's power and can be compelled to remain human until they can steal the skin back. Many tales tell of a man who finds a female selkie's skin and marries her.

The movie The Secret of Roan Inish tells this story beautifully. The name Roan Inish, although ungrammatically worded, rón inis, means "Seal Island."

12/6/07 3:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oooooh, joe.

12/6/07 4:00 PM  
Anonymous Analysa said...

Ooops .... I´m stumbling here, jm, I think I just drank all of your special remedy, you might have to put some more out there.

A couple of weeks ago I dreamt I was swimming in the sea and all of a sudden something got hold of me from beneath, I knew it was a shark. I was in total fear and started swimming away. Then this voice said “you are supposed to turn around and face it”, I turned around and there was this huge open jaw from a shark. I was so scared. Everything went black. I don´t know if he actually ate me or I ate him!

For most of my life I had this reocurring dream, first I couldn´t even make out anything about it but just this weird extremely strange feeling. Years later I started to sense that somehow I was locked in. When I did some past life work I asked about it and I was told that it came from a past life in some nordic country where I was born into a poor family with too many children. They couldn´t afford to feed me and burried me alive in a box. It was quite shocking to hear this. I never had the dream since.

In these last 2 1/ 2 years I had some amazing dreams, I call them soul guiding dreams. They were totally different in which they reached my consciousness. I just knew this was real guidance to help me through the rough road.

So jm, I have been trying to figure out your energy numbers in a system I learned a bit and if you are born in july of any of these years 1939, 1948, 1957, I think I have it right. It says “ these people are quick-witted and flexible, adapting themselves to most circumstances. Their resourceful minds bring forth fresh, often brilliant ideas that other people are willing to accept. Foresighted, with good conversational abilities and intelligent expression in social situations. Strong sense of justice, hypersensitive “, I´m not puting it all here, but this is perfect. Just makes me understand you a bit better from what I have learned about this system. Great revolutionary mind! We will have to work on visualizing your books materializing, it´s just to much work for me piecing through RU bloggland. This year is a very deep year for you, actually, we share the same basic number and in this year we don´t have any energy, but lose all our energy and it is better to relax as much as possible and not start anything new. It is wintertime all year long.
This system is much more simple than astrology which gives you so much detail.

I don´t know, I just thought I mention it.

12/6/07 4:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Everything went black. I don´t know if he actually ate me or I ate him!

What a great comment.

Analysa this is great on the numbers. Everything is completely accurate.

quick-witted and flexible, adapting themselves to most circumstances.

I consider this my saving grace.

Their resourceful minds bring forth fresh, often brilliant ideas that other people are willing to accept.

This is so tricky for me. I know the accuracy of my perceptions but I fear the acceptance of my ideas. I want people to think for themselves. Hopefully, they will stimulate thinking in general and bring out the reasoning powers of others. But then, confidence (if it really comes) should make me realize that acceptance is actually a good thing!

We will have to work on visualizing your books materializing

I was just thinking about this today. When Pluto in Capricorn in my 9th opposes my Mercury in the 3rd. I don't feel ready now, but the visualization can start.

This is very helpful in terms of this year, the energy, and the timing of the new. I know the time to act is not quite here and this verifies.

This is really good. Thank you, analysa. Really, really good.

More of the Leo connection we were talking about above. Love, support, creative encouragement.

12/6/07 5:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

In one of my past lives I was an Italian aspiring opera singer, but I had a huge brood and never realized my creative ambitions.
So it seems.:-)

12/6/07 5:29 PM  
Anonymous Analysa said...

“This is very helpful in terms of this year, the energy, and the timing of the new. I know the time to act is not quite here and this verifies”.

You have all of this year till beginning of february to relax; 2008 you can start planning and preparing; 2009 is a great year for new projects. Between 2009 - 2010 is the best time for publishing. 2011 you could be the center of attention!

“In one of my past lives I was an Italian aspiring opera singer, but I had a huge brood and never realized my creative ambitions”.

You´ll have to make up for that life then and request now double huge portions of opportunities!

I have something in mind, it actually just comes to me, these visions. I just hope I´m right, can´t quite share this yet with you, but if things fall into place I will. I just can tell you this, it looks amazing!

12/6/07 5:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

You have all of this year till beginning of february to relax

Oh my god in heaven.

All of this corresponds exactly to the astrology. The Pluto square my Mars is the big turning point of my life as I start my destined public incarnation. This ends at the end of 2009. Then Pluto hits Mercury in 2010 for the publishing. I know 2011 is a big one. I'm an 11 destiny number and I won a set of steak knives on a roulette wheel once with that number!!

Thank you so so much, analysa.

I really need this time to relax and take a deep breath. My last moment to myself.

12/6/07 6:09 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Mars-2009-new projects-Pluto-Aries ASC.

Yes ma'am. Yes, indeed.

I never argue with life.

12/6/07 6:12 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

I just remembered an age old water dream I had with me and my father. Endless pools we were walking by.

JM, Your dream reminds me of C.S. Lewis's "wood between worlds" from his Narnian tale "The Magician's Nephew". Each pool in this wood represented a different world and the wood naturally was a passage between. Do you remember what your father and you were doing or saying around the pools?

13/6/07 9:44 AM  
Blogger Nathan said...

I wonder what the seal represents. Land and water. Breathing. - jm

Maybe it's a selkie. - joe

The feeling I had comming out of the dream was the whole reason the seal was digging up the main is that it was trying to return to the sea. How it knew it could get there through the sewers is a mystery, but if joe is correct that it was a Selkie who'd perhaps found its skin it would make sense in an odd Plutonian way. For me, it represented how much I've lost touch with that wild nature in my life and that I now have to struggle with distance, physical barriers and undergo strange ordeals to return to my primordial source.

JM, your dreams of the rigors of giving birth stifling a need to create suggests to me ordeals of a similar nature. The physicality of transformation appearing as an obstacle, instead of the essence of creation. Definately SN in Scorpio issues.

13/6/07 10:01 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Amazing, nathan. I've been into C.S. Lewis lately, and I didn't know this story. Be back shortly to tell you about the father dream. It is still vivid and probably has a lot to do with the male in my psyche.

13/6/07 2:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The physicality of transformation appearing as an obstacle, instead of the essence of creation. Definately SN in Scorpio issues.

Well said and food for thought. In some ways, the Taurus North is about this physicality, so I think this is where I really want to go. Beyond the essence into direct manifestation. I think the SNs know enough about the mystical essence, and I've often found that they have a hard time with the smaller dimension of physicality, and hence, the display and marketing of talent. Something is always lost in the translation from essence and this is what I'm trying to come to terms with.

good point.

Dream coming up.

13/6/07 3:59 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The feeling I had comming out of the dream was the whole reason the seal was digging up the main is that it was trying to return to the sea. How it knew it could get there through the sewers is a mystery

Neptune(sea) in Scorpio(sewer). SN Scorpio(sewer) in 12th(sea).

I get the feeling that maybe you don't have to go through the SN sewer to get to that sea.
I identify a lot with this. Once we eliminate maybe we don't have to follow it through the sewer.

Other Scorpios have to swim in the sewer. There is a visceral desire for these sensations of rot, waste, putrid matter, etc. I'm learning to stay away from these congregations. They are magnetically luring, which is why the crowd pours over and over the images of torture, murder, etc. they especially love sex crimes. The SN Scorp has seen enough. It's in our family backgrounds so we know it intimately. The others are learning.

The problem in your case is the Moon-Neptune which keeps you there. But once liberation is found, it could be ecstatic beyond any previous Scorpionic ecstasy.

So far, maybe the sewer has been the right passage to the open sea, but there are so many alternative routes. If you can control your dreams like you do, wires and all, you can control your conscious life.

13/6/07 4:57 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm ejoying your interest nathan, very much, And your slow pace and thoroughness. Getting substance out of experience, so Taurean.

In the dream, my father and I were walking and there were endless small pools of gray water. It was very very sad. We weren't talking. Just walking. We always had this abscence of need to talk. He often took me in his car and we would drive for hours in relative silence, but I loved being alone with him.

He was a very detached Pisces-Aquarius-SN Gemini man, and I understood his distance and was able to bridge it more than the others in the family. but I always felt his sorrow and missed opportunities for achievement. He was a magnificent clown and a very wise man. He was the one who nurtured me in my childhood, and I especially remember him caring for me when I was sick. Moon in cancer.

I am often torn between staying in his dream world or striking out into the REAL nonsense out there. This is very interesting. The sad grayness of the private world is the clue. I have so much fire in me, and this is where we might have to part ways. The question of leaving my privacy is coming up.

The feeling of that dream was so powerful. Then they went on to dreams of clear blue pools. He wasn't there.

His eyes were grayish blue and always watery and fiery at the same time. They saw too much.

There is a long story about how he rescued my mother's family from political horror as a merchant seaman. It was his one great heroic act. I felt his despair, but I also feel that maybe I want to capture that heroic quality and transcend the futility.

It's a tough role model. He taught me no skills for the real world, or maybe he did and I have yet to recognize them. How to bring fantasy into the world without dying of despair.

13/6/07 5:25 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

Wow! JM, talk about giving each other food for thought... Your posts are so full of love and insight, that I am torn between addressing them here or moving forward and keeping faith that the healing is in the works. Thank you for recognizing my nature instead of what I often get, which is impatience.

14/6/07 2:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh, nathan.

Thank you for recognizing my nature instead of what I often get, which is impatience.

You and me both. One of my biggest disappointments. The rushed not-enough-time syndrome. Or maybe just plain lack of genuine interest.

Your posts are so full of love and insight, that I am torn between addressing them here or moving forward and keeping faith that the healing is in the works.

The healing is in the works. Healing is one of the most powerful parts of life and it happens automatically. I learned this watching my man die. His bruised body kept healing until the last day. It made me wonder if the mechanism is outside of birth and death. His body must have known he was dying, yet still it healed. His emotional body, as well.

No pressure. Do exactly what you desire. I will, however interject my desires. I LOVE our conversations. They are so soothing, inspirational, and enlightening.

We both can take our time with that ever so lovely NN in Taurus.

14/6/07 3:05 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

the display and marketing of talent. Something is always lost in the translation from essence and this is what I'm trying to come to terms with.


JM, this stands out for me. Translation means that something will be left out, communication not being a perfected state of mind. Healing is partly restoring what was left out of translation, or filling in where a particular communication faltered or failed to hit its mark. I would like to understand your experience better as I see reflections within my life.

18/6/07 3:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

One thing that pops out right away is my struggle with technique as a musician. I don't need much fancy stuff to say what I want to say as a singer and songwriter. But I've felt pressure to develop more so I can impress the audience which feeds on this.
I don't like it. I feel somewhat foolish when I chase the trickery, and I lean toward simplicity, clarity, and purity.

Maybe the mark of greatness will be epxressing the essence no matter what I think they want. And if I can get this across, I might be satisfied with my achievement.

There is so much to this translation of who we are singularly and how we fit into the network of material life around us. I am way too quick to leave my central spot and fear acting like the trained monkeys they follow. I won't.

I'm deeply involved in this. The essence comes in the original creative moment and after that I'm bored with everything I do. The original moment seems connected to life, the rest seems flat and disjointed. I'm perplexed.

The SN in Scorpio has a problem with the small dimension of the material and part of me thinks I should demand less of experience. As an artist, the audience isn't supposed to experience my essence. The translation is what is for them and they are satisfied with that.

So do I enjoy their satisfaction, even though I feel slightly shortchanged? I think, though, there is a possibility that something else is gained in the exchange of this translation. Whatever is sacrificed is made up for in other ways I have yet to discover. And I think this is part of the nodal lesson.

The SN in Scorpio is actually ready to leave some of the deep emotional indulgence and take things more literally, finding simple satisfaction without traveling to the core and back every time.

I'd like to master this. I'm working on it especially now in terms of my technique. I want to be satisfied with myself as much as one can be. I want to express my talent within the structure I already have in place. Just more expressive of myself. More confident.

This is a great subject. More might be forthcoming.

A perfect example is the difference between the discussions we're having here and the rest of them. These go deep. I was told that my singing voice was in the core, the essence, just by nature. So maybe I have to learn how to love this, but recognize the value of the other. Certainly in terms of survival and monetary gain. It's awful.

18/6/07 9:49 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

My study of meditation values the nature of being centered. Does exercising technique and mastering the technical aspects of your craft bring you away from your center? I think not.

Before I sit for meditation I am usually not centered. Yet the act of preparing for the moment: laying out a mat, burning incense, closing my eyes, chanting my mantra, helps me work my way to becoming centered. And it can be very frustrating when something is plaguing me and I cannot release my mind from it. Yet those simple acts of preparation always work, because I have done it time and again, so much so I don't even consciously think about it. I just do it and it leads me to my center.

I meditate now, but it was no different for me when I played violin publicly. Practise made perfect, so that when I performed well I didn't think about technique. When I played music expressed from my heart, I always felt happiest. I never became a highly accomplished musical artist, but I did learn where my center was within the music.

True expression comes from being confident, as you suggest. But that confidence comes from being connected to your center at all times in all ways. Always. Of course this is difficult to do in our daily mundane lives, but it is important to remember that it is not impossible. And it does take practise.

Is it demanding more of experience to allow yourself to always be connected to your center, even when you are not creating? Yes. This realization is what I've been struggling with myself. But the thing bringing unease is moving away from your center to include everything else. That vascillating quality is what allows doubt and questions to arise. Knowing your center and constantly returning yourself there eventually filters out the extraneous stuff so that what remains is pure expression of the authentic self.

Concerning yourself with anything outside of the simple experience of centered expression will leave you feeling foolish and false.

19/6/07 1:31 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

Is your "part of fortune" in your second house?

I work with the "part of fortune" because for me it represents how the major luminaries work together with the ascendant to manifest wellbeing on the material plane. For artists this is important information because it is so difficult to be creative in today's society.

The thing to remember is that even if someone's "part of fortune" is in their second house, they can't access it by focusing on second house issues. That will only bring frustration. Because it is an imaginary or hypothetical point, its formula is the only way to access it; that is, balanceing your Sun and Moon (Self and emotions) with your ascendant (how you are oriented to the world) is how you manifest wellbeing.

Mine shows up in Gemini in my sixth house, so my material worth has always shown up in the relationships I form. This knowledge allows me to relax with material issues around my creativity. I no longer create to intentionally make money or find security; I create to connect to others, which is what I have done all my life.

19/6/07 1:57 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I can't believe this nathan. You did it once again. I woke up very upset today with a bad headache, meaning I was running from my center. My SN is in the 7th house of others. I am far too quick to flee myself.

I just got to the computer and here was your comment, pinpointed exactly, right after I recognized my dilemma and made another decision. I feel so much better already. Sticking to it will be the usual challenge. Maybe this time I will.

Is it demanding more of experience to allow yourself to always be connected to your center, even when you are not creating? Yes.

I will do it.

Knowing your center and constantly returning yourself there eventually filters out the extraneous stuff so that what remains is pure expression of the authentic self.

This is what Fellini said in an interview. The artist expresses his authentic self.

My PF is in the 6th in Virgo.

19/6/07 2:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Concerning yourself with anything outside of the simple experience of centered expression will leave you feeling foolish and false.

I'm repeating this for extensive further use.

19/6/07 2:13 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

*smile* *beam* *glow*

Fellini is both a hero and an inspiration. A Virgo PF in the sixth house develops wellbeing from the service of forming personal relationships; in your case, the details of performing music developing an intimate relationship between the performer and the audience which leads to the spiritual and material wellbeing of both. My heart goes out to you with the joy of this knowledge. We can both now go out in the world together, connected with confidence to our centers. You have your mantra to repeat at will. My work here is complete, but naturally our work continues, out there, in the world.

19/6/07 3:23 PM  

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