Monday, June 11, 2007

Why the United States Isn't Leaving Iraq Just Yet

In order to consider the metaphysical perspective on a situation, it's often necessary to suspend preconceived views, personal fears, and judgement of human behavior. All facets are necessary to the understanding of the whole picture, but the detached spiritual element is usually underplayed. The karmic reasons behind all events are involved in their enactments, and sometimes these are difficult to comprehend and accept. But they prevail. With the Saturn-Neptune oppostion closing, it might seem like we live in a world of random movement and chaotic human fumbling, but I don't think this is so.
This conflict is far beyond the politicians, the kings, the dictators, and the will of the people. At this point no one is in charge and no one is content with the current reality, or what's acting as reality. It has a life of its own, and it will be resolved in its own way.
Pluto through Sagittarius has lessened the grip of the religious hierarchy on humanity. The Islamic world has been particularly hard hit and its internal revolution is underway. Patience is a requirement.
The destabilization of the birthplace of modern civilization in Iraq was necessary as part of this revolution, while the traditional oppressive Islamic leadership continues to be divested of its power. A slow process. Believe me, it was not controlled by any of the human players. The war architects were all pawns in a larger strategy. They are also not in control of the ending at the moment. The American Congress is posturing in the political game and never intended to end the war. The other perpetrators are stuck, as well.
At 29 degrees Pisces, the end of the war started at the beginning. A diplomatic solution will come eventually.
In the meantime, The US has to remain there to prevent complete chaos in the Middle East, as the finish progresses. The direction is away from chaos. Pluto will square this 29 Pisces in the depths of Sagittarius when it leaves for Capricorn next January 2008, and on to a complete change of dynamics. Then it will come back in June 2008, turn around and cross the 29 again in November 2008, leaving Sagittarius for good. And still Pluto will hover around 0 Capricorn until September 2009. This gives humanity plenty of time to resolve the deeper problems symbolized.
Soon after, Saturn will go into Libra and square Pluto in Capricorn, bringing the conditions for the completion of the diplomatic solution, a complex one. Saturn will take its time getting fully into Libra, and meanwhile Jupiter will cross the 29 Pisces into Aries, January 2010, and once again in June. Finally, Uranus will cross the 29th degree in May 2010 and make a station at 0 Aries. Then it will back up across the 29 in August and return once more in March 2011. There is a lot happening around this 29 Pisces war degree. A fascinating addition will be the NN conjunct Pluto in Capricorn, November 2010.

I can't predict exactly when the entire episode will finally be over, but if it's a lengthy process, I understand fully the reasons why. The people of the earth are being given a chance to learn. And we is where we is.

41 Comments:

Anonymous chrispito said...

Thanks Jm. A great perspective and food for thought, too. It fascinates me, the metaphysics. I'm learning more every day, and this meeting place definately helps that process along.

I really believe we can become the leaders that we want. It really does begin with us. Every single day we can aspire to be the human we desire to have beside us, leading us, backing us up.

My Dad told me something once, and it has always stuck with me: that for much of our lives we act as though there is an external voice or being constanty by our side. Depressed? Sad? Annoyed? Worried about what other people think?
Eventually, he says, you realize that there is no one or nothing else: there's only you and what you've created.

Coming here each day has sped up my understanding of what he's been patiently teaching me. This knowledge can be applied every day, in every way, and life most certainly will be more cheerful because of it.

11/6/07 8:33 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Great comment chrispito. It's good to have a father with this insight.

Every single day we can aspire to be the human we desire to have beside us, leading us, backing us up.

Can you imagine? We can take this with us now as Saturn leaves Leo.
Well said.

11/6/07 12:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Also wanted to add that the Saturn in libra will be the USA Saturn return crossing the progressed Mars retrograde. More signs of diplomacy, and a different kind of withdrawal from offensive action. Pluto will be opposing the Venus-Jupiter conjunction.

11/6/07 1:31 PM  
Blogger Neith said...

This feels right to me in the length of time you are setting forth. There are no easy, quick answers to human messes - just plain, old-fashioned WORK! It saddens me to know the body count will continue to rise but that too is part of this process. The unfolding will come as it will . . .

11/6/07 2:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

just plain, old-fashioned WORK!

A lot of that ahead. This withdrawal will be of a different kind. I think the negotiation is already under way but there is an underlying desire to resolve things in a big way. Time consuming.

The main thing is to not try and push it too fast or worry excessively about that which is and will go of its own accord. I keep crusading for understanding, and the more time that elapses, maybe the closer the crowd can come to this.

The interesting factor is the upcoming Capricorn and the added saturn in terms of boundaries. That's what is involved here and it should come naturally as the planets progress. Iraq has been unstable for ages and ages, and now maybe there will be some stability eventually.

It will end in due time.

11/6/07 2:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Another lesson in this is accepting reality. After Neptune leaves of course! Leaving in its wake an understanding of the futility of this bomb hurling and stabbing uselessy at nothing. It's also interesting that suicide is a big part of it.

It casts a pall on life in this country, and maybe worldwide as big as the lesson is, but I think it's best that we get on with things and try to keep our spirits up, learning to live with collective guilt, which ideally leads to development of conscience and responsibility.

I fully believe that the end result will bring a new awareness to this society.

11/6/07 2:55 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

This would have been a balm to read during the early days of the campaign, when everything was going steadily downhill and there was nothing to be done, it seemed, to spin the wheel 180 degrees so that the country wouldn't speed over a cliff.

11/6/07 2:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

and there was nothing to be done, it seemed, to spin the wheel 180 degrees so that the country wouldn't speed over a cliff.

I remember that feeling so well. This perfectly describes the USA mars progression going retrograde. It's still trying to get a footing in the new direction. Very well said, joe.
We had to experience this to make the turn around legitimate.

11/6/07 3:01 PM  
Blogger jm said...

If you look at it logically in perspective, it seemed like a sucking vortex that drew all the players in and no one was in control. I've always seen it as kind of a massive collective boil that burst and must release its content fully. The location and repeat of 29 Pisces is just too clear to miss.

11/6/07 3:07 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

I agree. That's why, after joining a few protests, and calling my reps for awhile, I realized the metaphysical necessity of it all.

When people around me expressed dismay and grief over the seeming futility, it was just like with 9/11. I had to keep my mouth shut or I would be attacked for expressing another unpopular opinion.

The sad thing, as Neith said, is that in order to learn the lesson, people have died and will continue to die. It's hard to observe the remnant minority with the pro-Bush stickers on their cars/trucks, and not want to throw something at them to make them wake the hell up already.

11/6/07 3:20 PM  
Blogger jm said...

When people around me expressed dismay and grief over the seeming futility, it was just like with 9/11. I had to keep my mouth shut or I would be attacked for expressing another unpopular opinion.

I was viciously attacked for speaking up and my heart still races to think of the intensity of it. It just indicated the underlying strength of the truth.
I understand why people in general can't grasp the metaphysical perspective, but astrologers and others in these arts should do so.

I think a new kind of protest is emerging and the sign carrying is a thing of the past for now, along with charismatic speeches from star type leaders, which haven't solved the underlying problems. The screaming protest is as limp as a wet noodle now. When they sold hot dogs at the Terry Schiavo demonstrations I knew it was the end.

Rational outlook, reasonable discourse, increased geopolitical understanding, personal involvement, international discussion on the Net, and good strategy might bring results. And shared responsibility most of all.

11/6/07 3:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's hard to observe the remnant minority with the pro-Bush stickers on their cars/trucks, and not want to throw something at them to make them wake the hell up already.

Another part of the lesson. We have to live side by side with these people. There are all walks of life. Some are way back there in the club it to death category, and aren't ready to awaken. We don't know their karma.

A few years ago I had a bad neighbor with an indescribably loud hysterical dog, that had me in despair. One night at midnite I left and went to the grocery store in tears. The checker had the wisdom of the ages and I told her my story. She was so sympathetic. I asked her what one can do with mean spirited people. And that was her answer. "Live beside them". I took that truth with me forever. the dog and neighbor are now gone.

So it's not living with them, really, it's living next to them. Live and let live. And try to stay separate and lead by example. This is fundamental to curtailing all the wars.

11/6/07 3:40 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

When they sold hot dogs at the Terry Schiavo demonstrations

OMG, I missed that little gem the first time 'round. Sheesh.

I asked her what one can do with mean spirited people. And that was her answer. "Live beside them". I took that truth with me forever. the dog and neighbor are now gone.

Been there, done that. We had a neighbor whose teenage kids and their friends harassed us constantly for reasons you might guess. I lived beside them for 5 years before I had enough and took it to the city's civil rights dept. As i recall, I reached my limit on the day Jupiter entered Scorpio.

They moved away 9 months later.

11/6/07 3:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes, I remember that. Part of your Capricorn take charge, law and order, police the situation persona!

I wonder if they return in another form after these episodes or if this force can really work. I imagine when the underlying dilemma is resolved, the outer will reflect it.

Maybe my own hysteria left with that dog! Man, that thing was upset.

11/6/07 4:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Actually, it is connected to leaving behind the shrill and infantile blogs. Screaming when a pin drops.

The interesting part was how I calmly suggested to my neighbor that she get her child obedience training and lo and behold, much later, she did. It was a huge success and I was scared out of my mind that someone actually did what I said. Not like you Caps.

11/6/07 4:04 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

'Live beside them'

For me, this really is the only way. It's the NN in Libra, maybe or 7th house Saturn; I must learn to live beside people rather than striking out on my own and rendering myself useless through self-imposed exile.

My neighbour had a severely neglected dog. After a couple of letters sent to ask if I could take her for a walk (she was alone in a yard without a bed, house, or cover from the elements, 24 hours a day without an interaction)...well I got fed up and contacted an agency. They spirited her away in the middle of the night. Sound drastic? It was. But a few weeks later I got a phone call from a woman who not only fostered dogs, but CHILDREN too, and she told me how much the dog was loved by her kids. The she emailed me a photo of this sweet dog cuddled up to her cat, licking it!!

That was a creature starved for love, and I was happy I had her dog-napped. That was July 2005. I wonder what was happening in the cosmos then?

11/6/07 4:19 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

Not July 2005; January 2005. It was freezing then, another reason why I had the dog abducted. She would have froze to death.

11/6/07 4:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's the NN in Libra, maybe or 7th house Saturn; I must learn to live beside people rather than striking out on my own and rendering myself useless through self-imposed exile.

Great description of that node.

11/6/07 4:24 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Incredible. Jan. 2005:

Jupiter in Libra on your NN!
Saturn in Cancer EXACTLY square the node at 24 degrees. In your 7th of relationships. Taking charge. Doing what's best. Relating.

SN in Aries in the 3rd house of neighbors. Relating rather than striking out alone.

I got a phone call from a woman who not only fostered dogs, but CHILDREN too, and she told me how much the dog was loved by her kids.

Saturn in Cancer in your 7th.

11/6/07 4:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The symbolism to me would be nurturing a neglected part of yourself and experiencing the warmth of togetherness. Contrasted with the cold Moon in Capricorn and isolated Aries. Also you were having the nodal opposition. NN in Aries, SN in Libra.

NN in the 3rd of neighbors so the incident led you to your own North in Libra.

11/6/07 4:41 PM  
Anonymous chrispito said...

Wow...wow...wow... That is incredible! Thanks for the info! I am astounded of by the wealth of what you have just given me, Jm. Today has been an amazing day, truly.

11/6/07 6:02 PM  
Anonymous neobuckeye said...

Hey JM, us Cap Moons aren't all that cold, you know. ;-) We just don't always display or deal with our emotions very well, but they are there all the same.

I know for a fact that my sister is the same way. She's also a natal Capricorn Moon and hides her emotions quite a bit these days. But I also knew her back when she was growing up. She became much more serious when she stepped out into the world. I think it's an over-compensation of sorts, as I was the same way for a long time, worrying so much about what others think of you and how you appear to them.

But a broadened perspective has helped me lighten up quite a bit, and you have been a significant contributor to that end!

That and all this insane Saturn in Leo biz...

The larger issue revolves around my centering of significance in myself. I particularly recoil at celebrity worship and following each and every move of the famous, because of this. To me, they pick the worst ones. These actions don't really affect my destiny, including leaders, and they seem often like an escape from self significance. Leo is the star of his show, but the judgement has to come from within. A hard part of the lesson. Everyone has a Sun as their personal center and a Leo house. What adds to this is the USA NN in Leo. We could be doing well. Pride in our leadership and cultural output. Like when our movies first came out and thrilled the entire world.

So I witness the crowd following god-knows-what looking for god-knows-what and I despair. Something big is missing. Some of the pols running now are Saturns in Leo and they are pitiful. I despair. They are a reflection of my home and society. I do despair.

But I know there are better ones in the wings. I think Saturn in Leo is marked for a central position in some way. Saturn wants us to do a great job and it takes forever for many of us to be satisfied with our level of achievement. Ego and self respect. Many people are waiting for the good Leo Saturns to take the job of leadership when ready. The ones who have held back and developed themselves, which should take a long time if done well.


Self acceptance. That's one thing I've struggled with quite a bit throughout my life, but I seem to truly be coming to terms with a lot more so now on the eve of the third and final hit of my first Saturn Return. I always knew that I was something of a "go against the grain" type, and that was mostly okay. But now I think I am truly accepting that fact and even loving it. ;-)

11/6/07 10:13 PM  
Anonymous neobuckeye said...

I find myself getting shot down constantly until I get myself up to the level I want.

Tell me more when you're around again. It will help. You said yours was in the 2nd which makes for an especially big journey to self esteem.


It's funny, JM. Catching up on all of the posts and threads, you seem to be going through the same or similar type of experience that I am with the "friend turned enemy" conflict. If I am reading you right, a person who perhaps turned out not to be what you perceived them to be, or whom they led you to believe that they were, but whom you still end up learning a great deal from in the process. It really caught me off guard in the beginning, but when the dust settled, it became a valuable learning experience, and I've been able to come away from it without lasting bitterness or holding a grudge.

The getting "knocked down" part is somewhat related. The friend/enemy I mentioned above actually encouraged me to go out for a higher position on my job (well, one of them anyway). At first, I wasn't real sure that I wanted it. But it seems like I didn't really care about it until after it slipped through my fingers, and how that actually took place. Most likely because I didn't really want it anyway.

But usually, when I seriously want to advance or move up in a role, I find some sort of barrier going up at some point that impedes my advancement. I've come to the realization that it is my own self doubt holding me back. I think Saturn in Leo natally has been testing me in this regard. Only recently has the whole picture come into focus.

What's really funny, on my other job this past week, I was told that I wasn't doing enough to be a leader and that I've been sitting in the background. There are good reasons, of course, but I find it funny because I have recently and on purpose been trying not to just that, self reflecting and trying to figure out just where I stand with myself. So maybe I'm happy with not pressing for a leadership role? And then I'm told that I should. Interesting how that happens. That when I don't care, the opportunity seems to present itself.

11/6/07 10:36 PM  
Anonymous neobuckeye said...

It's the NN in Libra, maybe or 7th house Saturn; I must learn to live beside people rather than striking out on my own and rendering myself useless through self-imposed exile.

With my Saturn Return almost behind me, THAT is what I really want to focus upon now. Those Nodes! I know you told me JM that it would be better for me to stick around home in Ohio (NN in Libra, 4th House/SN in Aries, 10th House). Unfortunately, I'm finding myself torn between wanting to do just that and pursuing my livelihood of teaching and education, which it seems is very difficult to get into in the Buckeye state, nowadays. The jobs, it seems, just aren't here.

I've been doing some travelling around this beautiful country in search of opportunities, and I believe that I have found some promising ones. I keep telling myself that I'll do it to get the experience for about five years or so, and then head back home.

However, the more I think about it, the more I see that NN/SS opposition paradox. I don't actually have a burning desire to want to leave home. And yet it's difficult to see how I can continue to survive and avoid stagnation by NOT striking out on my own at this point. Does that make any sense at all?

11/6/07 10:49 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Neo, there you are!

I don't actually have a burning desire to want to leave home. And yet it's difficult to see how I can continue to survive and avoid stagnation by NOT striking out on my own at this point.

I find this with Taurus a lot. Not striking out. Why should they, if all their comforts are around and there is some contentment with what is?

People say you have to make changes to grow, but what does that mean? Changes come automatically. The question of "burning desire" is a good one. how much is needed for change? I think there are always many equal possibilities.

In the long run, I don't think it matters about our decisions. They all have plusses and minuses. If I have doubts, I don't do it. I believe we know the right moves to make at the right time.

However. Cardinal signs like to initiate change. Cancer rising and Cap Moon is a lot of cardinal. And moves for the purpose of achieving goals are right in line. If it turns out that the only way you can advance to your satisfaction is by moving, I'd do it.

I'll tell you neo, when Pluto goes into Capricorn you'll be motivated. A lot of us will. It's going to square my Mars in the 6th and I know what's ahead, including big changes, but I'm waiting for the right time. I do believe in that. I believe we know.

I think a lot of people are fed up with waiting for leadership, for the go ahead, and soon many of us will be ready to forge ahead toward our own goals. Many have given up waiting for things to get better in society and probably as we move on, things will improve as a result of each one of us taking initiative.

People have been extremely confused these days, but it will change. The NN leaving Pisces soon will figure in too.

I think it's simple. If a great job opportunity appears, take it. You're ready for leadership now after the Saturn return, but it still has to gel.

Give me your "accurate" birth specs again.

11/6/07 11:27 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The whole thing is, you're young and free, so experimentation is good now. You can always go back if you leave, and if you decide not to go, I assure you, nothing will really be missed.

At first a move is exciting and full of newness, but eventually our old selves are there just as always. They come in the boxes.

The most important thing for you, with the NN in the 4th, is a rich emotional life, both with family and others. Maybe writing, too. You should feel some connection with wherever you live. A feeling of being home. Sometimes exactly where that is can be surprising.

11/6/07 11:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm getting a strong feeling that most everyone is getting ready for something now. Like a sleeping creature awakening. There are so many big planetary changes ahead, and Pluto changing signs is always a big big event. We are sensing it.

I think the feeling of being adrift will be history and a lot of new paths will be revealed shortly. We still have a minute to be lost!

11/6/07 11:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

And in terms of the Node and staying home, I meant that it would be perfectly all right to do that, not that you should. You also shouldn't feel pressure to leave if the "burning desire" doesn't materialize. But if it does, varrrrrooooooom!!!!!

11/6/07 11:45 PM  
Anonymous sige said...

Moving? Someone mentioned moving?
We're moving again. @;-)

Somewhere along the line, or planetary line, I became a gypsy, a "passerby", a wanderer. Looking back over 30 years of this, it becomes clear that the luxury of this life has been the constant call for change, for adaptation, for resettling the bones. What isn't important gets left behind in a closet or a box or a friend's home.

Never in a million years did I guess this would be my life, yet the signs were there early. One of my sisters thinks without this, I would have been bored my entire life. She might be right. I don't know ruts very well, because when something doesn't work, when a behavior turns negative for me and those around me, it's also left behind as the abandoned, useless tactic it is.

JM is so correct, we pack ourselves into our boxes, we come along for the ride, for the adventure. But if I really, truly want to leave something behind, I do. Ceremonies help with this.

"We bless the ground by working it."

12/6/07 4:10 AM  
Anonymous sige said...

So what does it mean? JM, we're moving to an extremely liberal city in the midwest! Can you believe?! Right at the moment when I've cut the tribal tie to politics, after I've paid my last debt, shut the door to that world with awareness and love and relief.

WTH, you know?

12/6/07 4:12 AM  
Anonymous sige said...

So neo, I would be one to recommend you follow your dream, to whatever part of the country its lead you. My husband has been a teacher, a researcher, a developer. He is now an elder, entering into his guru/mentor phase, but still, constantly learning. At his heart he is forever either a student or a teacher or both at the same time. I truly think that is a calling for some, and yes, it can be very difficult to find jobs in that field.

Ask him, and he will say he wouldn't have traded his experiences for all the tea in China, or even a tenured job in a single university.

Maybe that isn't you, which is of course fine and wonderful. But if you have the urge, the impluse to go and teach for five years, I say, trust that, go, do. You can come home, you'll just come home different from when you left.

12/6/07 4:21 AM  
Blogger jm said...

So what does it mean? JM, we're moving to an extremely liberal city in the midwest! Can you believe?! Right at the moment when I've cut the tribal tie to politics, after I've paid my last debt, shut the door to that world with awareness and love and relief.

This is great great news, sige. I live in a progressive environment and what a difference!

Politics is just about to get exciting and rewarding in this country. It's cyclical and we are on the upswing. This one is going to be really good.

12/6/07 4:14 PM  
Blogger ShineTheLight said...

The NN info in this thread is fascinating. (and the soul & heart expressed here are awesome!)

I have NN Libra 22 in the 1st house, SN Aries in the 7th. Sun in Capricorn 19, Moon/Venus conjunct in the 1st 3 degrees of Aquarius, Pluto right now sitting on my Mercury/Saturn conjunction at Sag 29/Cap 01.

I'm sort of permanently single, always have been. Does anyone see this changing in the future?

I've spent about 20 years learning to "live beside" others, listening instead of yapping, allowing flow instead of controlling. Have recently been living as a traveler in my city, housesitting to give myself space to write. First novel just won 2nd place in a national literary contest - so I'm stoked on finding a publisher now.

I've also found many soul-family members in my metaphysical circle, and our meditations are deep & powerful.

I'm late to the thread but I hope some can comment on the Nodes question.

Much love and blessing!

12/6/07 11:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG! Congratulations on your award, shinethelight! This is spectacular. What a conjunction! Merc-Saturn at 29 Sag. You must be a great writer. I'm glad you are getting recognition.

Welcome to Raging Universe!

This is right in tune. I was just talking earlier about Pluto opposing my Mercury soon and publishing. Must be in the cards.

Libra rising, NN, is first and foremost a partnership destiny. You'll have to work for it. Venus in Aquarius is not known for settling down in traditional one on one, but that's what you will have if things go right. The Pluto years ahead will help.

The hardest part is the SN in Aries which keeps herself at a distance, looks for the exit, and picks people that it won't work out with. It's not them, it's the fear of giving up independence, very ingrained in SN Aries. The truth is, when you find someone good for you, the independence won't be harmed. It usually helps the other gain confidence and strength.

Here are the articles on the nodes.

SN in Aries

NN in Libra

If you'd like to give your birth information we can add you to our treasure chest. Lots of Libra around here.

And once again, congrats. This is completely joyous.

13/6/07 12:15 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm also curious about the story. What an achievement. And your first!

13/6/07 12:19 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Also, your nodes are tricky since they are in reverse houses. I can explain that.

13/6/07 12:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi - ShineTheLight here - I could NOT get this Comment feature to accept my Google account password - aaargh - hair lies in clumps at my feet. Hopefully I am prettier to it when I am Anonymous.

Anyway: thank you Jm for the comments!

My stats: January 9, 1959, in Bloomington, Indiana, 10:15 pm.

The novel's title is YU, which is Chinese for "jade."

Here's the one-paragraph synopsis:

The tragedy of a Chinese Prince and a Concubine in the Imperial Court two thousand years ago holds the key to a man’s heart in 21st-century America. Rising antiquities dealer Ross Lamos is an accidental detective for our slippery times: he’s a gay man with a quick wit and a broken heart, a Buddhist with persnickety desires, and his psychic touch both makes him money and gets him into trouble. To his horror, he is thrown into the bloody turmoil of a political love tragedy in the Imperial Court of Han Dynasty China, when he handles a set of three ancient Chinese jades: a thumb ring, a pendant, and part of a sword’s scabbard. Ross’ experience of the details is so acute, he realizes that these may be his own memories – and the karma is now coming due, for him and a cast of characters whose souls have been crippled by the persistent strife. Like Robert Longdon in The DaVinci Code, Ross must grasp extraordinary clues from the reaches of history to protect a love that has lasted lifetimes. Retrieving the jades from the clutch of the antiquities trade, Ross will see a revolution in his career, love life, and deepest soul as he puts an end to obsessions that have rippled across the millennia.

I'm approaching publishers now, if anyone has any contacts! :) (I won't be self-publishing or e-publishing.)

13/6/07 9:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ShineTheLight here again -

Jm, you are right on about keeping one eye on the exit and picking people who can't work out as a partner.

The most sane partnering ceremony I ever attended was a "Seven" - a young straight couple decided they would make a commitment for just seven years, and wrote their very conscious and respectful vows around that. It was more than seven years ago, and I've lost track of them. But how wonderful that sounded, to acknowledge that it was OK to not be in it "forever"!

I find Raging Universe very helpful in its wisdom and wit. All the voices here are greatly appreciated!

Cheers to all --

13/6/07 9:44 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What a great story, STL!
This will get published and make you money, I know. So many layers and it sounds suspenseful. We all love that!

I am fascinated by the novelist's experience. Living in that alternate reality, self created. People coming to life from the imagination. How do you get the names?

I've never heard of such a thing. The 7 year commitment. Very creative.

I'm so glad you showed up and I feel this is telling me something. Your success innocently doing what you want to. Simply expressing yourself.

Where on earth do these stories come from?

13/6/07 10:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The SN Aries 7th is dominance problems. Who is the man? Who's in the lead? Who's agenda is more important? Sometimes abuse of some sort. Sacrifice issues.
The NN Libra 1st is learning all over how to have relationships with you in charge, or at least being unobstructed in the pursuit of your own ambitions. This is the key. You need support backing up your choices, and these choices have to be self serving first, with just enough compromise to keep it together. Balance.

A writer lives in an imaginary world of relationships so the SN might actually help the process. The NN still wants a real and permanent one, but it has to be someone who understands your work and your solo ambition. Solo within the framework is ideal.

The next years will be telling as Pluto transits these points. If you develop a full time career as a writer, this will affect your relationship choice.

In most cases I would suggest one could do without a partnership, but in your case, you need one for fulfillment. To make it work, you must be in the driver's seat.

13/6/07 11:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Btw, STL. I LOVE the word persnickety. I thought I was one of the very few who uses it. I remember trying to explain the definition to my Brazilian girlfriend!

13/6/07 11:45 PM  

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