Monday, March 16, 2009

Sprung

Saved From the Savior
Mars in Pisces
I'm guilty
I have sinned
I've made
The mess I'm in
Oh Brother
I've done it again
I'm guilty of everything
Don't burn me in the fire
Don't hang me in the noose
Can't you see it won't do any good ?
Why don't you just turn me loose?
Jesus died in a room for rent
He died on a $3 bed
That's what I heard from a trusted source
The truth is better not said.
I'll sit
Sit with the sick
Or the needy
Take your pick
I'll do
What needs to be done
I'm guilty
I am the one.
"Pisces is the most misunderstood sign in the zodiac. It covers all experience and unconditional love is a mere speck. Unconditional hate is also valid. Along with the resplendent and transcendent, it covers degradation, torture, imprisonment, despair and every horror you can think of. Pisces compassion can turn to cruelty quite easily, as in the case of Adolph Eichmann. The spiritual search for oneness in the universe was, of course, personified by Albert Einstein. An understanding of the vastness of the sign takes some mental expansion to grasp, that can't be denied. The judgement of good and bad is the most important thing to be dropped, the real lesson of Pisces. It is what it all is. Unity with life means accepting the full spectrum of human sensation. It is not only the divine ecstasy so commonly revered, it's just as much divine agony. Positive and negative have no meaning in Pisces land. They all happen at once. All vital to life. They touch everyone."
Jm on a typical Saturday night

Mars has just entered Pisces where it will meet Venus at 29 degrees in six weeks. The savior won't leave us alone. Does this entity want to redeem us? Do we want to be saved? Meanwhile the economy plays with our heads. Will it be saved? Or should the notion be dropped like a dangling participle. What exactly will sink in the Piscean sea? Cause or effect?
My crimes and misdemeanors are obvious, but I will say that they are looking a little better out here in the crowd. When one studies crime and punishment, I've discovered, the precise responsible party becomes evermore vague.
People like to prove how good they are. The force of the effort is equal to the opposite condition inside. Every individual consciousness is a microcosm of the collective consciousness. All are implicated.
No one is that good .. Fact. Most are good enough.
So go ahead. Save whoever. Or whomever. And if you bypass me, I'll understand. Not a problem.
Illustration:Jim Burke. Two verses and chorus from High and Dry by jm.

122 Comments:

Blogger chiron said...

Interesting illustration JM. Where from? Especially Interesting considering that we are now over 50days into an administration that seems to shun our allies; i.e. the Churchill Bust. This from Texas Darlin..........."In Dreams from My Father, President Obama says that his grandfather was tortured by the British during the conflict, though he was not a Kikuyu but a Luo. Guess which prime minister ordered the Mau Mau insurgency to be put down? Mystery solved. It seems that the president is seeking to humiliate the progeny of those who humiliated his ancestors. Revenge isn’t that complicated a motive. However, a question remains. Is this any way for a President of the United States to behave?”

"Doesn’t the President of the United States swear to protect, preserve and defend the Constitution of the United States, not engage in personal politics? Is he acting in the best interests of the US? Is he right, or wrong here? I don’t think this is any way for the POTUS to behave. And I would just like to add that I have not forgotten the outpouring of support, and the sacrifices that England made for us, after 9/11. And as far as this American is concerned, they are still a valued ally. Obama is set to meet the Queen next month. I wonder what he plans on bring her? A White House mouse pad? Or maybe a White House baseball cap…she does wear hats, after all. While there, the Brown’s will be hostinig them for a dinner party at their home on Downing Street. I hope they serve beenie weenies."


http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2009/03/12/why-the-diss-on-brown/


"Don't burn me in the fire
Don't hang me in the noose"

Indeed.

16/3/09 6:36 AM  
Anonymous NGO said...

People stab one another with comments at great velocity.

Is this Pisces cruelty?

Obama is set to meet the Queen next month. I wonder what he plans on bring her? A White House mouse pad? Or maybe a White House baseball cap…she does wear hats, after all. While there, the Brown’s will be hostinig them for a dinner party at their home on Downing Street. I hope they serve beenie weenies.

Cruelty is cruelty whether it is spoken or acted out.

16/3/09 7:27 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

Yes they do indeed. If I remember correctly, and I do, the Obama campaign excelled at stabbing with great velocity, their enemies and allies alike. The ancient Greeks had a term for such behavior. They called it 'Hubris'. It reeks from the current white house with smarmy arrogance. You attract like energies. This is indeed as poetic a saga as the epics the Illiad ( lliad ) and the Odyssey. "I shall convey her back in my own ship, with my own followers; but I shall take the fair-cheeked Briseis,
your prize, I myself going to your shelter, that you may learn well
how much greater I am than you, and another man may shrink back
from likening himself to me and contending against me."

16/3/09 7:59 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Glad to see your music back JM!

How much does the mutual reception of Neptune and Uranus play in all of this? It reminds me of the words inscribed on two sided sword of Arthur on one side, "we lift it up" on the other side,"we lay it down"

16/3/09 9:14 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Chiron, i think i mentioned this before, or alluded to it, we travel in many the same hallways. I appreciate your use of Homer to illustrate your point. The characters change but the plot remains.

16/3/09 9:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Is he acting in the best interests of the US?"

Well, if it comes to that, what about putting Israel's interests above our own? Obama is showing that he is just as bought and sold as the last prez by filling his cabinet with Israeli nationals and declining to speak out about Gaza only a short time after decrying the bombing in Mumbai, India.

And yet no one can point out these things without instantly being shouted down and then labeled
"antisemitic" whatever that means anymore. Holy St. Al Gore! Talk about inconvenient truths!

16/3/09 10:21 AM  
Anonymous NGO said...

If I remember correctly, and I do, the Obama campaign excelled at stabbing with great velocity, their enemies and allies alike.

Please refresh my memory when such acts were committed with facts. I want to see it in writing.

I recall quite correctly the weekend before the election the NYT praising President Obama's sense of restraint against his opponents. Go check the archives.

You are filled with contempt and hate for President Omama and you take every opportunity to pour it out here. It is very tiresome and predictable.

Surprise me chiron, with a comment that isn't an attack on President Obama.

But by the same token I know where you are coming from, I do not have any thing favorable to say about Bush. The laziest President in the history of the world.

You cannot cover up hate and cruelty with Homer and the Greeks. That is like spraying perfume over stinky sweat.

16/3/09 10:40 AM  
Blogger dxp said...

NGO, Of course Obama himself kept the show up of being above the fray. That is how the game is played. Traditionally it has been the VP candidate who is sent out on the attack while the Pres candidate remains calm and noble. Obama is, actually, a master politician and he played this extremely well. But now, in this climate and with the internet technology fracture the VP's attack job into thousands and thousands. The guilting was incredible - more than I've even seen the republicans do and I never thought I'd say that about the democratic party. The sexism was amazing and oppressive. If one stands by and passively watches violence are they not also culpable? Remember when Randi Rhodes called Clinton and Ferraro "Big F*cking Wh*res" over and over and over at an Obama fund raiser? His answer was not "I do not condone this behavior or attitudes and will not accept money raised in the fashion and will instead donate it to a deserving charity to protect women from violence"....that would have shown some character. No, he said nothing, took the money. I think the Randi Rhodes clip is still on YouTube if you would like to check. His paid bloggers were cruel and vicious - no one could question.

What is going on here? It is a pattern that those who view themselves as oppressed, once they become the ones in power, become oppressors themselves. It was painful to watch the democratic party do just that this past election. Proved to me that both parties are comprised of human beings, none superior, and both capable power mongering and all the attendant terrible behavior.

I know it is unpleasant to face these energies, but it is very useful at the same time. I wish Obama well and hope his presidency is not a failure. I hope so for the sake of the young people just starting out in their adult lives. I also hope not to be naive in a way that our nation was under Bush. Remember the media deference post 9/11? All the guilting into 'being patriotic' and under that guise all sorts of constitutional disasters happened? Power became extremely concentrated in the executive branch, weakening the core of 'checks and balances' of the three branches of govt. Remember Obama's promise to filibuster FISA and then his reversal? And promise to repeal that asap if elected? Not heard any mention of that, and the power is ever more concentrated. I think this is structurally important, more then the personality of who ever happens to be President

16/3/09 12:59 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

well said, dxp.

16/3/09 1:36 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The illustration is from a children's book about immigrants coming to America.

Heheh.

What a substantial bunch of comments. I'm going to read in depth.

16/3/09 2:15 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

First of all, I will not ever apologize to anyone for my views. I do not hate Barack Obama; I just do not like him. He has single handedly created a Cult of Personality in American politics that is itself threatening to the very core of the republic. I believe he has done so calculatedly, since he is by all appearances and by my interpretation of his chart, a narcissist. When I analyzed the Obama birth chart, I went to extended effort to balance my perspective and offer an either or analysis on what I was seeing and feeling astrologically. However, my gut advised caution and he has not yet proven me wrong. I trust my gut and my guides. If you think I am a republican, thank you for the assumption, I refuse to be pigeon holed. However, for your edification, I am a long time SDS flag waving, ultra liberal, avowedly gay, Vietnam era raging hippie who fondly remembers being dragged out of the Arlington Street Church feet first having body barricaded Dr. Spock from imminent arrest. After years on the front lines of the progressive movement I am embarrassed for the Democratic party. They have broken every rule, every tenet, every credo, and every sense of fair play in this past election. Their behavior is as bad as the behavior of the republicans they have chastised for so long. Shame on me for only having noticed this disingenuousness now. Their monkey see-monkey do behavior minimizes credibility and distorts any truth to the message. I will spare the rest of the group a litany of who and when were rolled under the Obama bus, except one. Research the McClurkin incident. It was a calculated ploy on the part of the Obama campaign to reach the black Baptist vote in the South Carolina primary to appeal towards southern Baptist disdain towards the gay community. They purposefully hired McClurkin and two other acts (Sister, Sister) who had loudly and consistently expressed the views that gays should be exterminated, to appear at SC rallies for Obama. Such cruel callousness and manipulation to insure an election victory is indicative of the same disease that has corrupted Wall Street and corporate boardrooms. Ego, greed, lust for power and a sense of competition to win at any price. Decisions made by the new administration since taking office have only re-enforced the appearance and essence of politics as usual. I choose not to be an apologist, a cultist or a liar. If that offends you, so be it. It is what it is even sans Homer. It’s all in the eye of the beholder. And like lipstick on a pig, what we are left with is a used tube of lipstick and a sty full of porkers in semi drag. G'day.

16/3/09 2:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The energy of this conflict is good for all and I want to ask you, ngo, a few questions if you could answer without too much defensiveness. I really want to know. You can ignore them, too. Either way.

First of all, if you really read my article (I see this frequently), you will notice that I said everyone has cruely within. Why not own it? Admit it? Work with it. Politics brings it out of all of us. That's that.

Chiron's right about a lot and he says things that no one else dares to. The most vital part of our democracy is the exercising of freedom of speech. And yes, cruelty results. We must emphatically criticize our government. We fought horrible wars for these freedoms and if we don't take responsibility, we will lose them. This is one of the most disturbing things going on now. The suppression of dissent. What are you afraid of? You have 70% on your side. And we don't use weapons, you can see that. Only words. Your president also uses words as a weapons in manipulating the masses.

The president and his allies are lying more and more and I feel they take life force from the people with the constant sucking of attention. It's not Obama. It's the part he's playing and our continual obedience to anyone who holds a title like this. What exactly has he done to deserve all this adulation? The religious aspect disturbs some people. The blind allegiance.

I'm not as opposed to the man as you think, but I am opposed to the deception and manipulation which is more than obvious to anyone paying attention. In some ways I'm neutral about him so I can stop criticizing, and considered that, but I don't think that's a wise choice. What he represents is too important at this crucial time. There is an oppressive quality about him that you and everyone are responding to. A smothering. A gag order on dissent. That's why the fight from all angles. We all want freedom from this cycle.

I haven't followed the British thing, but I sense the games. Sometimes I don't think these leaders are sensitive at all to their people's troubles, but that's just as much our faults. I feel like Obama is playing dress-up and having fun pretending to be president. He seems to be in over his head.

The illusion has to be dissolved. It will be one way or another, and some of us are instrumental. I haven't noticed any of us attacking you and threatening you, personally, for following him the way you attack the dissenters as if we are doing something wrong. Is it really wrong? What exactly is the crime? How would you punish me, for example? Should I shut up? Would you feel better? Would it help our country? Who's the boss? Obama, himself, asked for criticism.

But most of all, what exactly are your doubts about this man that make you react so personally and emotionally. Isn't he secure where he is with the love of the country? I am really baffled.

Doesn’t the President of the United States swear to protect, preserve and defend the Constitution of the United States, not engage in personal politics?

That's what they do and that is why I'm talking non-stop about Pluto opposite our Cancer stellium. It's time to stop some of this. Pluto opposite his and our Venus is bringing it out now. The politics of personality. The tabloid rag. It's all so emotional. It's not paying the bills. And it's going to get worse.

Simply. Why are you so insecure about him, ngo? Why can't you ignore the protestors?

16/3/09 3:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The ancient Greeks had a term for such behavior. They called it 'Hubris'. It reeks from the current white house with smarmy arrogance.

This is 100% accurate.

I am a long time SDS flag waving, ultra liberal, avowedly gay, Vietnam era raging hippie who fondly remembers being dragged out of the Arlington Street Church feet first having body barricaded Dr. Spock from imminent arrest.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

I am embarrassed for the Democratic party. They have broken every rule, every tenet, every credo, and every sense of fair play in this past election. Their behavior is as bad as the behavior of the republicans they have chastised for so long. Shame on me for only having noticed this disingenuousness now.

OMG, chiron. This entire comment is beyond gold. You are so right. And I think we're in deeper trouble than people know.

It was a calculated ploy on the part of the Obama campaign to reach the black Baptist vote in the South Carolina primary to appeal towards southern Baptist disdain towards the gay community.

There was a lot of that in the campaign.

Such cruel callousness and manipulation to insure an election victory is indicative of the same disease that has corrupted Wall Street and corporate boardrooms. Ego, greed, lust for power and a sense of competition to win at any price.

Hear hear brother.

I despair at the weakness and obedience of the crowd. It's vital that we speak up. Thank you chiron.

16/3/09 3:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's going to get hot and people should be prepared. The restriction of our rights is proceeding even further than under Bush, and when governments get scared, they use their power in desperation. It's extremely wise to get on top of it, just in case. No one can predict but economic troubles usually bring certain things.

This is not like the 60s. Many here do not know about oppression, and those that do have tried to forget. Not fun.

Tseka! The music!!! Yes. The mutual reception plays in a lot. Our collective mind is expanding and growing pains are the result with plenty of confusion. I think we are seeing double as you suggest.

The Israeli thing, anon, is tragic. The Gaza orgy was timed perfectly with his inauguration so he wouldn't have to comment and he didn't. Our country helped finance it. It's horrible and I hope we can get unstuck.

"Inconvenient truths." It's time to stop pretending.

16/3/09 3:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

If one stands by and passively watches violence are they not also culpable?

I would say affirmative.

No, he said nothing, took the money.

If I were an ordinary citizen of this country I would take a look at how much he sucks from the populace, be it time, attention, adulation, and more money than a politician has ever extracted in history. And still the people give him what he asks for without asking any questions whateoever. No wonder some of us are concerned. It's not him, as I say over and over, but he's the symbol so he has to be the focal point of dissent.

I also hope not to be naive in a way that our nation was under Bush.

Oh do I wish. And your observation about structural soundness gets the prize.

16/3/09 3:29 PM  
Anonymous NGO said...

I also hope not to be naive in a way that our nation was under Bush.

You were all silent while Bush destroyed the center of civilization, murdered millions of innocent children and women not to mention the number of orphans that were created. And what about the torture??? I never saw any of you complaining under Bush. All of a sudden torture is a hot topic.

Now that you have all tar and feathered me. I promise I will leave never to show my face here again.

I hope you drown yourselves in your negativity.

16/3/09 3:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Ngo, you are entirely mistaken. The people I know here protested vociferously under Bush. In fact, it was the reason I got involved after years of being non-political. The truth is, Bush is gone. Nothing you say or do can undo what he did. We have the present to deal with.

It's good that we are not silent now no matter what we think or feel.

16/3/09 3:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

But look.

What's the fear? President Obama is here and yours for 4 to 8 years. It feels good to be positive and love someone and no one can take that away. No one will take the negativity from those of that persuasion either. Neither are threatening in reality.

I must say that after a lifetime of people yakking about trying to be positive I'm seeing now just how nonsensical that is. Life actually is positive.

16/3/09 4:05 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Oh, and btw...

Had I a cancer biopsy and got the results - guess what result I would want????

I'm also type O negative and stuck with it.

16/3/09 4:08 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

O negative!
me too, funny how the negative is the universal donor.

Like Chiron I was deeply involved in the social change movement he describes.

Chiron says exactly what i feel "After years on the front lines of the progressive movement I am embarrassed for the Democratic party. They have broken every rule, every tenet, every credo, and every sense of fair play in this past election. Their behavior is as bad as the behavior of the republicans they have chastised for so long. Shame on me for only having noticed this disingenuousness now."

Many of us have been speaking up for years, we have been working with alternatives for years. Often it seems like we make little progress or that we are going backward.

One thing that I look at is how the "other side" plays his hand. If it was "game over" then we would not be seeing what we are. To win requires someone to lose. I've not surrendered. But I also choose to carefully inquire of myself what my participation means.

16/3/09 4:29 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

You were all silent while Bush destroyed the center of civilization, murdered millions of innocent children and women not to mention the number of orphans that were created... etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

We all were silent?! And you know this how? Honey, I've gotten shouted down for speaking my mind and I've been insulted and belittled by better people than you.

Such an insulting statement barely deserves the scorn I'm heaping on it.

16/3/09 4:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Hey joe!!!!!!

People.

Bush destroyed the center of civilization

I didn't know he had that much power. I'll be dog.

funny how the negative is the universal donor.

Of course. This whole pos-neg thing is getting out of hand. There's a reason. Disappointment rearing up, probably.

Often it seems like we make little progress or that we are going backward.

We are tseka. It's heartbreaking at times but I think it's all for the purpose of creating forward thrust when the time comes. There's going to be a snap back.

One thing that I look at is how the "other side" plays his hand. If it was "game over" then we would not be seeing what we are. To win requires someone to lose. I've not surrendered. But I also choose to carefully inquire of myself what my participation means.

Thank you Wise 1 for this. I think we are all investigating what participation means. Bush drew us all together and now most of us are not willing to abandon the crusade in whatever form it takes on this many-faceted jewel. We have become lazy so activism is a muscle that has to be exercised. The freedom of choice is the beautiful part. Those who favor the current administration are actually in synch with many who oppose. That will be clear in time.

16/3/09 4:43 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

You never LOOKED for any of us complaining under Bush, and would not have found it anyway. Many of us were at different sites under different names. Tar & feathered?
I scrolled back to re-read that actually you were the one who accused me of being filled with contempt and hate. Hmmm… contempt for a politician? Maybe. Hate? No. But I must say I would not interact with another human being one on one, even on a blog and heap accusations on them to defend any public official. Hate is as hate does. That is what public officials are paid for, and paid quite well thank you Senator Stevens, Governor Blago. Someone has to do the heavy lifting. What is endemic in American society is that a cadre of uber politico's feel that they NEED to be right. They have sainted a denizen from the ranks and he is an untouchable. Balderdash! GWB, god bless his going quiet into the good night soul, is gone. History. Fini. Let him go build his library. Damn we need more libraries. Decisions made now, by those in power, affect the lives of my family. My little nieces & nephews deserve better than we have, and need me to poke and prod the emperor. He wanted the job. He kicked and scratched every inch of the way to get it. Good. Now screw him if he can't handle it, or messes the country up more than it already is. You see George W. Bush is inconsequential. Barack Obama is not. I'll applaud when it is deserved. In the meantime my finger in his eye will be, eye say.

16/3/09 4:43 PM  
Blogger dxp said...

NGO I'm new here so don't know how long you've been a participant, but hope you will not go. Real debate is so refreshing!

I think you might be mistaken about folks here speaking out against torture! Also, the wheels grind slowly it seems and torture is ONE of the reasons the dems retook the congress and now the whitehouse. So, for me, it is like a betrayal since the torture has NOT stopped!

One thing the internet did in the early 2000s is challenge the government secrecy. Lack of transparency is a MAJOR problem. Many terrible things can happen in the dark. I don't see any more transparency now than before. So, again, a betrayal.

Honestly I think there is a power struggle going on between governmental power and corporate power...you know, the military industrial complex. Pluto in Capricorn? Obama administration is supposedly trying to reestablish governmental power. Are they really tho? It is being pushed to a head with things like the AIG bonuses. If we (the government) are major shareholders of corporations then do we get a say in how the companies are run? Are the CEOs being fired and replaced? Not yet, just hand slapping. We'll see.

We need to push on both parties, and our local governments too! I've tried to become involved in third party politics but it seems, supported by the media, that is not viable.

One more quick thought is that the parties are no longer that differentiated by ideology (again Pluto in Cap?). If one listens to military, diplomatic and financial 'solutions' without the attached party label, it is very confusing.

16/3/09 4:48 PM  
Blogger dxp said...

JM, I hope you got a good biopsy result! They are scary!

16/3/09 4:49 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

Sizzle!! Film at eleven.

16/3/09 4:51 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

JM I sincerely send you light. Be well.

16/3/09 4:51 PM  
Anonymous DuCan said...

Fabulous art work JM. It looks like the Statue of Liberty is floating in the clouds with the man in the boat cheering her on. I love it.

Very interesting comments by all. There is so much to read and plenty of food for thought. I also sense a lot of 'passion' is this a result of Mars in Pisces?

JM
I am curious as to what will happen when Mars conjuncts Uranus with an opposition from Saturn?

16/3/09 4:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I would not interact with another human being one on one, even on a blog and heap accusations on them to defend any public official.

Very very important point chiron. Talk about giving power away. Like the power attributed to Bush.

Please refresh my memory when such acts were committed with facts. I want to see it in writing.

Notice any authoritarian thing here? Pluto in Cap is going to be interesting. I've noticed this in other loving supporters who attack. A subservience to Him and then a bullying of dissenters, which is one thing that disturbs me about the whole thing and the underlying authoritarianism of this administration. Smothering, as I said. I can't believe I considered silence. Shame on me. It's going to be a wild ride.

We have some serious problems NOW. I'm shocked that people want to play these games and not try to influence the direction of the new administraion before it's too late. Such a wasted opportunity. I've never seen anything like this in my country.

16/3/09 4:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Heavens no!! That was theoretical. No biopsies for me. Send the light to the positive lovers instead, chiron. They need more.

Betrayal is the word and Pluto rules that phenomenon. No wonder. We are being betrayed bigtime and it's going to increase until we rise up. It doesn't matter what Obama or anyone else is "trying" to do. We have to go through the process. Just like Pluto in Sag was separating church and state, in Cap it will be business and state, but it will take the whole return.

16/3/09 5:01 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

funny how the negative is the universal donor.

So, it IS possible to get something from nothing! :o)

16/3/09 5:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Normally there is an increase before the decrease in a transit, so I imagine the corporate stranglehold will do just that. That's why I'm pushing for the weaning from Obama, because he is a bit player and we have to get going. He will be gone soon, but the problem won't. The sooner we get to the root of it, the better our chances of solving it. The corporations bought Obama, no matter what his aims are, and with Saturn in Capricorn he's going to toe the line. What they're doing now is trying to maintain power focusing on the next election, so they will throw crumbs without disturbing the status quo. It think it will have to blow in an obvious way before the fix comes. It's wise to seek solutions anywhere and everywhere.

We are dealing with a system, not personalities, and the cure will be systemic, not from personalities. I think we might go into new territory with a different kind of leadership after him.

16/3/09 5:09 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Something from minus!!

16/3/09 5:10 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'll be with you shortly on the transits duCan. That's a good one.

16/3/09 5:10 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

dxp
I wrote you a reply last night on yesterday's thread but I think you had already gone to bed.

I hope you read it.

16/3/09 5:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I also sense a lot of 'passion' is this a result of Mars in Pisces?

That is the result of the coming together of positive and negative to create usable energy. I will repeat this over and over -- we need both. They are absolutely equal.

When one plugs into the other you get exponential results. We are going to see this when Uranus, ruler of electricity, hits Aries. We are warming up.

16/3/09 5:16 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ja, the universal donor joke in our house: Just send tseka in front and no one else need apply bug repellent. God the mosquitos love me even with bug repellent.

16/3/09 5:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Dxp understands this with Mercury and the NN in Aquarius, so her natural instincts toward debate, opposites, rebellion, etc. have added spark.

I have Venus-Uranus in Gemini in the 3rd, and as much as my Cancer quivers in the mayhem, I also know the value of opposites. It's the rubbing of sticks to create fire. Uranian energy seems untamed.

Polarities create movement. They are intrinsic to all of life, and rather than deny them, we can ride them to great heights.

This is not always polite debate. Sometimes extreme positions meeting with force create tremendous usable energy. Those of us who don't like conflict can stay on the sidelines, but those who are talented in that way owe it to life to act accordingly.

16/3/09 5:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

HA HA!!! You are so generous tseka.

16/3/09 5:23 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

JM wrote:

Dxp understands this with Mercury and the NN in Aquarius, so her natural instincts toward debate, opposites, rebellion, etc. have added spark.

I am amazed at the way you remember everyone's horoscope. WOW!

16/3/09 5:28 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

"We are dealing with a system, not personalities, and the cure will be systemic, not from personalities. I think we might go into new territory with a different kind of leadership after him"

Absolutely. I think we each hold a piece of the cure.

I'm working on an outline for a "Homeopathy & Complementary Medicine for self care" class. So many of us have no health insurance now. Some of us simply have lost trust and faith in allopathic medicine. We can create new systems.

What is that adage, you can give a man a fish or you can teach him to fish...

This is the place i seem to fit most in my country's time of need. Tho to be honest i would love to just paint and garden and spin and not be bothered.

There is simply too much to do. So I'm rolling up my sleeves.

16/3/09 5:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I have a Mars-Uranus natal square and I'll get to that as promised, but it's activated now and I feel like cracking this positive-negative thing wide open and releasing the yolk of power. I have no idea why the crowd is so afraid of life. As a universal negative donor, it's all yours.

16/3/09 5:30 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yup, duCan. I can't remember names, but I remember planets.

So many of us have no health insurance now. Some of us simply have lost trust and faith in allopathic medicine. We can create new systems.

I am one and I am going to get through life without the allopathic system. I made up my mind firmly.

There is simply too much to do. So I'm rolling up my sleeves.

I am so so happy to hear this Dear 1. We can paint later. We will. I will sing when my country heals a little.

You can give a fish some water and hope that he doesn't get hooked!

16/3/09 5:34 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think alternative health care might be the most important thing going. What the people are taking into their systems is making them sick and this is costing us our life force. It's deep and problematic and the politicians are exacerbating it. Taking advantage of it. We have to go to the root of our country's bad habits. Sometimes it happens and cultures have good times, but the input from television is extremely disease-producing. The light, sound, color, content, lack of dimension. Everything. There's a lot to do. They ned an alternative that weans them from the hypnosis.

16/3/09 5:39 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

JM this is so interesting, is there an astro signature for not remembering names but being almost eidetic otherwise? Like your phenomenal astro ability, I can rattle off symptom pictures of hundreds of remedies, can remember a conversation of 13 years ago but cannot recall a person's name. It's like a blind spot.

16/3/09 5:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

There must be. I have the total blind spot. It might have something to do with the picture making faculty of the brain being dominant, and also what we deem important information. What we use. But the name thing exasperates me.

Your memory is fascinating.

It could have something to do with having no TV since that's known to develop the picture making capacity. I connect it to my mathematical view of realty as well.

16/3/09 5:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I see a chart in a completely different way. I see patterns that traditional astrology doesn't teach.

16/3/09 5:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's really a fascinating study. Names, identity, labeling. Sometimes people's names make little sense to me. The universal first label. Do we name ourselves or is it pasted on us?

16/3/09 5:50 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

hooboy do i agree re TV. etc

Big pharma is one of the controlling elements of our economy and lifestyle. Big oil another.

It was never the AMA that closed out or confined the practice of homeopathy and other alternative modalities it was the pharmaceutical industry. Codex Alimentarius in Europe has brought a disaster in the name of assuring quality and care.

We have managed to stay afloat in the US with options at our healthfood stores for herbs and supplements but we have been very close to losing that battle so many times in the last 20 years. And we are not by any means safe yet. These battles have in the past been fought by the very few. My hope is that this election has electrified the population and involvement may carry into these types of issues.

I've been mildly surprised by some of the political blogs, i thought they would disappear, but they are going strong and have become activist sites. Lots of people stayed in the arena.

16/3/09 5:52 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

"I'm working on an outline for a "Homeopathy & Complementary Medicine for self care" class. So many of us have no health insurance now. Some of us simply have lost trust and faith in allopathic medicine. We can create new systems."

Tseeka I am not familiar with the situation in the US but we have a severe shortage of Doctors. Most of the 50 something female doctors have retired and the ones remaining are no longer taking new patients. The situation is dire so more and more people are looking for alternative methods and treatments like Reiki and homeopathy. These are on the rise here.

I also saw in the news last week that a number of Americans without insurance are coming to Canada for medical treatments because it is less expensive. The prescriptions drugs are also less expensive here.
Your timing is probable right for this new venture.

16/3/09 5:54 PM  
Blogger jm said...

My hope is that this election has electrified the population and involvement may carry into these types of issues.

I'm sure it will. People are in for the long haul. We will make progress in the cardinal years.

Alternative medicine will be big. It has to be.

16/3/09 5:57 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Picture-making, imaginal thinking, symbol patterns could be using a different part of brain.

I think for me it's labeling. Or not, who knows, I miss glasses too as i look past them as an impediment to see the person. Maybe I find names like glasses.

16/3/09 5:57 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The battle has just begun. The government now is going to try and regulate roadside vegetable stands and farmers' markets. They sense the threat and will be clamping down. So now is the time to prepare.

The corporate control is going down but it won't be without a big fight.

16/3/09 6:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Good analogy - names and glasses.

16/3/09 6:01 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Thanks for that info DuCan. Maybe my passport back to Canada is via my homeopathic creds?

16/3/09 6:03 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

JM wrote

"I see a chart in a completely different way. I see patterns that traditional astrology doesn't teach."

I observed this the very first time I visited RU. Like your explanation of Pisces in today's post. I have never seen one with so much depth.

16/3/09 6:04 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That one particularly interests me, duCan. The idea that Pisces is compassion and oneness, completely missing the duality of the two fishes as symbol. Ultimately it is unity but not without the complete dichotomy along the way. And it can be extreme in Pisces. All the other facets of Pisces can easily be observed in life. You really can't get it from the books. You have to leap beyond. And you can't apply astrology to life without broad understanding.

You might be able to predict this and that and get personality traits right, but to use it as a map of the psyche and a means to evolutionary progress, a complete knowledge of the basic planets and signs is a must. That's usually bypassed.

16/3/09 6:10 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Tseeka we welcome you with open arms. I know for a fact you would do extremely well here.

I can already picture you in a great location with a number of patients lined up to see you with those creds of yours.

Does Pluto have anything to do with the rise in alternative medicine?

16/3/09 6:12 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I have to conclude that the current fear of negativity raging around the place is a result of the denial of this aspect of Pisces. But alas, it wants to be known.

In the moment that positive and negative unite, everything goes haywire and anything can happen. I think people fear this loss of control. A fight seems to rise up from the solar plexus area and some are frightened with the heat and emotion of it. So they cling to their comfortable sides hoping it's not disturbed. It has to be disturbed to go into new territory. Change.

16/3/09 6:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Pluto rules the medical profession and in Capricorn, the business of medicine is up for study. Uranus square should bring in the alternative. The danger lies in the alternative becoming big business and that's what we have to watch out for.

It goes back to a fundamental flaw, though. The idea of healing being big business at all. On the other hand, it creates the conditions for expensive research and cures. A very complicated thing.

16/3/09 6:18 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Here's one problem with health care. If we have mandates or pay into some sort of pool, that means that you and I have to pay for expensive treatments for those who abuse their bodies day in and day out. I take care of mine. So it can be unfair. It's hard to come up with a system. The only good one is wellness and the confidence of the populace in alternatives.

Then we have the Pluto in Leo (heart) generation who has gone crazy with heart surgery and that's expensive. Should we all pay for it? How about lingering diseases close to death that require long hospitalizations? It's going to take great minds to come up with solutions.

16/3/09 6:24 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

"The danger lies in the alternative becoming big business and that's what we have to watch out for."

That is an excellent point JM

Tseka my apologies for misspelling your name.

16/3/09 6:28 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Here is Pisces at work. People want to be good and to be seen that way. They have all kinds of motivations for doing good, but often the attempt masks an inner doubt about their true goodness and purity. It really doesn't matter if the end result is helpful. But when witnessing others doing not so good, the true wise one undertsands that they might not be in a position to be better for some destiny reasons unknown. The best Piscean takes it all into account and allows the dignity of individual destiny to rule. Forcing positive behavior just doesn't work. And given a chance, the negative eventually comes around, although it might take lifetimes.:) Live and learn. People do what they do for reasons.

Of course, I was raised by a Pisces who didn't interfere with others' behavior.

16/3/09 6:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's easy to blast business but most humans are rather interested in making a buck.

16/3/09 6:36 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

I have no idea why (probably Uranus conjunct MC) but when I hear of the government trying to regulate something like a roadside business it never even crosses my mind that people should obey.

I'm sure I'm not alone with this sentiment.

Tseka...come, come!

16/3/09 7:02 PM  
Blogger m.p.k. said...

. The government now is going to try and regulate roadside vegetable stands and farmers' markets. They sense the threat and will be clamping down.

I read about this, it rubbed me as being completely phoney. They claimed it was being done for "health reasons". Many people I know have turned increasingly to farmer's markets and organic produce. My wife and I get a CSA (Community supported agriculture) box of fresh organic vegetables delivered each week.

16/3/09 7:03 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I get the same reaction chris. And almost everybody does obey.

Of course it's phony. What it is, is a money making veture through licensing so they can keep the wealthy untaxed and the corporations in business. You are going to see a lot of this. It's is where the protest should start.

While people are being dazzled by the light, these are the real things going on. That's why I'm trying to get on top of it. You know how things happen. One day you look around and can't believe where you are. Government squeezing cauliflowers.

16/3/09 7:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

They lined up people and shot them in the head that way. But, you know. They still do. Obedience is something.

16/3/09 7:20 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Many people I know have turned increasingly to farmer's markets and organic produce.

That's exactly why they're doing it. They smell revenue. You know, I wouldn't even mind if they used our money wisely.

16/3/09 7:25 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Now there's an image "government squeezing cauliflowers" hahaha.
But it is no laughing matter. Some may recall that the medical marijuana act here in California was overruled by the Supreme Court. I was aghast at the ruling which used interstate commerce laws to federalize a crime to grow produce. I could see then we were so screwed, if justice Roberts objects to my tomatoes he has the tools to destroy them.

There have been so many little steps in the process the code of federal regulation has nearly usurped the constitution.

Nothing gets my dander up more than some moron trampling in my garden.

16/3/09 7:35 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

DuCan and Chris
Thank you my dear sweet northern sisters.

I'm going to find out about the legalities. I let my landed immigrant/permanent resident status lapse, i don't know how that all may get resolved. I still own land in BC. I'd love to return. Vancouver Island would be a nice dream for retirement.

16/3/09 7:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I agree tseka. I see it as serious. I'm concerned since the crowd is more interested in being positive than protecting their constitutional rights. Maybe some corporation can get the job of dissecting every worm in our apple trees.

The problem with our tomatoes is that it's getting precariously close to more personal parts. I expect to see surveillance shoot up soon. One international incident and they have their green light and money to be made. There are loads of money they can extract from us by requiring registration and licensing of all kinds of things.

16/3/09 7:57 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

yep and going every farther away from our sense of freedom. Freemen. Sovereign self.

That one ideal is the one we need to re-energize. Maybe Uranus in Aries will do the job plus jupiter. I love reading about these Tea Parties springing up around the country. A good sign IMO

16/3/09 8:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So that's basically the game. In the bills, both parties use our tax money for useless ventures, such as worm dissection, so their companies can make money. It's still going on full tilt. It doesn't hurt to be aware of how far business has gone, and as Pluto digs deep, we have a chance to do something. It requires an unsentimental look at all of the politicians, though, since the racket is a monster and bigger than any one of them. Even if some want to, they can't do anything just yet. It will work itself out and we will be better off for it in the long run. The Pluto return will deal with the government-business relationship and after that, all kinds of things are likely to develop. It takes time.

I'll be back with the transits as promised, duCan.

16/3/09 8:27 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

You are right. and I am grateful you are on top of it.

Tseka, let me know when you need me to start the garden. If we plan this carefully you could arrive in time for harvest:)

16/3/09 8:30 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

worms! that's two thread in a row:)

my merc/uranus can't help but notice for some reason.

16/3/09 8:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Uranus in Aries should be a big step. Pluto in Aquarius will be even bigger across the USA Moon after Pluto in Cap opposite the Sun. Our luminaries are getting it fairly close together.

The time I'm particularly looking at is the Uranus square with Pluto opposite the Sun.

The tea parties are a great sign. In the collective unconscious, we know. We're mapping correctly.

16/3/09 8:32 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The spring worms!!!

The worm turns, as they say.

16/3/09 8:33 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

It's a shame about roadside vegetable stands and farmers' markets.

Shopping at the Farmers' Market is a life style choice in my neighborhood. I hope that thought never enters the minds of the politicians here.

Vancouver Island, Great dream Tseka. You will have to visit to taste my cooking and critic my pictures.

No rush re: transits Jm.

16/3/09 8:36 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Chris!!! I love you.

There is a lot to consider. More than my own life. I'm going to take a good look at the process. I did this once before, immigrated in 1973 alone then.

16/3/09 8:36 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

My property is on a little island in the Georgia strait.

45 acres and a lake maybe we should all go??

16/3/09 8:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OK!

16/3/09 8:40 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ah the great worminess.

This post has made me think about Chief Seattle (head of the Salish- the tribe i was raised among) When he agreed to the land settlement which gave away rights to all the lands for a few acres of reservation he made a wonderful speech. I just went to re-read. It's too long to post but the essence is: "But why should I mourn at the untimely fate of my people? Tribe follows tribe, and nation follows nation, like the waves of the sea. It is the order of nature and regret is useless."

And our turn would come to face the same for each people has its own origin and its own destiny

16/3/09 8:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

All those destinies have ups and downs. I was looking at the history of India and that is some story of the wave pattern.

"Life is a series of adjustments," a wise man told me. We humans are amazingly good at that. The order takes care of us beautifully. We no longer have to eat giant mammoths at least.

16/3/09 8:55 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Seattle was interesting in his acceptance of the situation, no fighting to the last person to preserve what had been. His most interesting comment to my thinking was that his people filled the land with ghosts of great joy. He did not expect that to be our fate. His words suggest that in the end his people their joy would last longer.

16/3/09 9:01 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It was great to get a piece of Homer in today's get-together. It gives breadth to the present in all its rush. Our 1000s of years of reference.

16/3/09 9:01 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

"But why should I mourn at the untimely fate of my people? Tribe follows tribe, and nation follows nation, like the waves of the sea. It is the order of nature and regret is useless."

Tseka, I teared up. What a wise man. We need to be reminded that we are bound by the laws of nature.

16/3/09 9:09 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ja Homer, and everything else, what a treat. Love this blog you've made, mmmmm hmmm.
Speaking of thousands of years of culture...
I stumbled upon an interesting find.
Near Tromso archeologists have uncoverd a 9500 year old settlement, houses. Wood houses! Tromso is above the arctic circle. That kinda spins the history bottle eh?

16/3/09 9:14 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes it does.

16/3/09 9:40 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

we should go...it would be heavenly I'm sure. saturn in leo knows how to party properly, slopping our tea.

someone, somewhere in the world is opening up a can of worms.

16/3/09 9:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This blog? Who made it? Not me. I'll get creamed if they find out! Really, it's all of us and it's been a mighty meeting of hearts, minds, and souls. The bodies are around, I know. Somewhere. Diesmbodied creatures we are. Safe .:-)

16/3/09 9:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Chris!!! LOL!!!

I knew something weird was going on out there. I could learn to like those squishy squirmy things after all. Icch!!! I wonder how far the worm dates back.

16/3/09 9:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's interesting how advances come and recede in our civilizations. Knowledge doesn't come in a linear way. I wonder what makes us forget and backtrack. There is always something wrong even in the flowering ones, so I guess the flaws erupt over time, then go back down as health returns. In India, some of the ancient civilizations had tremendous religious freedom. I didn't know that. Now the old wounds between the Hindus and Muslims have returned, probably to be healed again in time.

16/3/09 9:51 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Hahaha
Chris

I love worms they do great work in the earth. We used to feed them the coffee ground when i was a kid. Good for the garden they said. It was a clay-ish soil so probably needed every one of those hard working worms.

Now slugs, that is another story, (with salt or beer)

16/3/09 9:56 PM  
Anonymous DuCan said...

a little island in the Georgia strait.
45 acres and a lake maybe we should all go??

Heaven on earth.

Slurping tea, or sitting out on the dock under he stars. We can build a fire . JM will sing and we will trade stories.

16/3/09 10:00 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I too wonder what makes us forget backtrack. Think astrology helps us map that? Sometimes why things end is obvious, ice ages, famine, dust storms. We are tenacious. But movements from cooperation to greed and killing are harder to understand in times of abundance. Or maybe not.

16/3/09 10:02 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Now the old wounds between the Hindus and Muslims have returned, probably to be healed again in time.

Speaking of India. Did you see this today.

U.S. OKs record $2.1 billion arms sale to India
By Jim Wolf
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama's administration has cleared a $2.1 billion sale to India of eight Boeing Co P-8I maritime patrol aircraft, the largest U.S. arms transfer to India to date.

The State Department said in a March 12 notice to the U.S. Congress that it would license the direct commercial sale having factored in "political, military, economic, human rights and arms control considerations."

16/3/09 10:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

SLUGS!!!! UGH!!!!

16/3/09 10:07 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Ah, sounds romantic doesn't it?
The island sounds better than you might find it. It certainly enchanted me when i was 20something. I've held on to the property in spite of the difficulties. There is no electricity on the island & the property has no development. My guys built a teahouse out of timbers. It's remote so hard to get there. The beavers made a dam and flooded the fields. Lots of work to do -more than one woman's share. A good place for joining together if the end times come....and maybe that's how it always is JM, the strange fits and starts in our progress through time are just like this.

16/3/09 10:11 PM  
Blogger jm said...

But movements from cooperation to greed and killing are harder to understand in times of abundance.

That's exactly what happens and it is hard to understand. Often it comes when the abundance is just about to turn to greed and decay but we're probably late in perceiving it. It always does turn. I love this subject. Everything is in flux and we live on comparisons and contrasts. We learn. I think growth requires backtracking and forward motion in rhythm. Look at the planetary retrogrades.

16/3/09 10:13 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Interesting duCan. About five years ago I had a talk with a military person and she said that the US had moved away from focus on Iraq and had gone to India.

16/3/09 10:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes, the strange fits and starts. I always say we can't see the thing being inside. Astrology helps minimally.

16/3/09 10:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

India is an amazing country and is on the rise again. Pluto in Capricorn is going to bring action to borders and that's ahead in the region.

India has had magnificent days in her long history and at times they were ahead of the West in achievement. But she has mostly been ruled by invading empires. The history of Islam and Hinduism is absolutely fascinating and still is working itself out.

One of the things going on now, I think, is the realization that the once great world of islamic rule has come to an end, as has Christian domination. The way it is rearranging itself has yet to be seen. Watching India is so interesting.

16/3/09 10:23 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The partition of India and Pakistan was one of the hardest things in history for the people and they haven't gotten over it. Something is brewing. Hinduism sems to thrive no matter what while the Muslin religions are really suffering now in transition. The Muslims were unable to suppress Hinduism and a strange identity developed including both worlds. It could be the seed of cooperation we seek once this patch is navigated.

16/3/09 10:28 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I think, is the realization that the once great world of islamic rule has come to an end, as has Christian domination.

Imagine that we may bear witness to this, and maybe the seeds of rearragement.

16/3/09 10:30 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Very insightful as usual regarding India.

"Imagine that we may bear witness to this, and maybe the seeds of rearrangement." What a great thought.


Good night all. Sorry I have to leave.

16/3/09 10:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

What great conversations today. Jeeeze.

Omg. To bear witness. I think we are. When you look at the great Islamic empires, the downfall is something to behold. The Pope now is a complete empty figurehead. In fact, the whole history of classic empires is over for now and we are truly in transition. I think the seed of rearrangement are already growing. Our election is evidence outside of the mundane realities. It's symbolic.

The changes aren't necessarily meant to be all good, but the freedom from religious domination is due. Pluto just did that. Isn't it amazing? It was going on for 250 years but through Sagittarius it became manifest.

16/3/09 10:37 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

The recent terror acts in Mumbai made me wonder about just this JM. The Islamic decline and the last effort.

Or perhaps it is just another turn in the cycle. I remember seeing religious buildings where Muslims had built over Hindu structures who had built over Muslim etc back many centuries.

Something does seem to be brewing. Its getting heated up everywhere.

16/3/09 10:38 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Good night duCan! Tune in tomorrow for the transit answer. Will post. It's almost done.:)

16/3/09 10:39 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I'm heading off to snuggle with Ulli-Maki, it's still freezing here so his furry wonderfullness is much appreciated. Good night JM and to all others.

16/3/09 10:45 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Yes, the attacks. The Islamic empire was splendorous and mighty, so this fall into terrorism is low.

I'm not sure about just another turn in the cycle because the leaders in the Muslim world have lost too much control over their people. They had class and regal distinction to the maximum and I don't see that returning. Where is the wealth to maintain that lifestyle. In order to get the support of the people they had to live in this lavish style, larger than life.

It could take centuries to diminish completely with more of those fits and starts, but as we leave the Age of Pisces I think all these ancient powerful religions will go, or at least lose their control over wealth. The ones that seem to be surviving are those which haven't built empires. But they might go too.

16/3/09 10:49 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Good night Snuggly 1. Thanks for the great conversation.

16/3/09 10:50 PM  
Anonymous dble aries said...

"IF" there is any contempt for the President, it is because I feel he has betrayed us. He was the one that set himself up for the great "Change" in our government.
Then he surrounds himself with old guard/ old established, Zionists, Neocons cabinet members and appointees. There are still old George H.W. Bush members hanging around. He voted for the FISA bill, preaching to close Gitmo, but yet upholding Yoo's and Bush/ Cheney's Judcial policies and still ducking the torture issue. He skipped off to Canada, buying keychains for his daughters, and no mention, to our knowledge, of NAFTA. Not even speaking up, acknowledging the travesties, occurring in Gaza is deplorable.
I could go on and on, but now, he has given me no reason to trust him . I absolutely, do not trust him. He is a fantastic politician. He is no longer standing up with any integrity.

The British "slight" was totally bad manners. It was another embarrassment to our country. The Democratic Party has become another embarrassment too.

We have no one else now-nothing else now. I still wish him well, because this is a great country and it has to be preserved. It proves that each individual has to keep it a great country. We have to push him, as the backlash over AIG has done, to be accountable for his words and actions. As well as all this Congress and Administration.
I may never vote again--still considering, but I will never vote for a Democrat or Republican again. They are the same..I am sure a third party will happen.
Another party, another way has to happen. Now, I cannot wait for Uranus in Aries to start. Easy for me to say!
Chiron, jm, I am following your path.

16/3/09 11:15 PM  
Blogger jm said...

As usual, dble A you are right without any BS. Many will be joining us. The reason he didn't mention NAFTA is because it is going to continue as is. That's been admitted. The Gaza event was the end of the line for me. It's not just the betrayal, they all do that. It's the humiliation of his people and the complete lack of dignity in the way he's going about it. Fancy speeches and that's it. Twisting the people's emotions. They'll have to get out of the noose themselves.

People are going to have to face it. He's going to be a gargantuan disappointment.

But in the end it will be good for us and in this way he's helping us by making it so easy to face reality. Our country will be preserved - as soon as we grow up and get rid of these overstuffed relics. We will.

One by one, people will come to realize how much we are on our own and then we'll move on. It might not take that long.

I wanted to move on myself and leave him be, but it's not time yet. I think we need this place to express our feelings and give others the courage to part ways with this deceit. I'll take whatever punches come to help get our country in a better place. This is a culmination of half a century of lying politicians and I see a sliver of hope.

16/3/09 11:35 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So. DuCan.

I don't predict specific things. I look at transits and figure out possibilities and the basic tone in reference to the current atmosphere. Then I imagine the best scenario, and hope it manifests to an extent. Every moment is good and bad, so I've stopped worrying or expecting too much. And it always works out fairly well in my experience. Sometimes worse, sometimes better than expected, usually a combo. There's always opportunity.

At first for our country, I was hopeful, as usual, but as events unfolded, I had to allow for difficulties in the upcoming times. I don't know for sure, but I do know that great things don't come easily and I think we're ready for the near future and whatever challenges we meet. These Mars and Aries transits are helping. It's no fluke.

The Mars conjunction to Uranus is interesting. Most people predict violence but I don't bother with that. Violence is always occurring somewhere and most of it is not significant. So I look at other things.

Uranus is awakening and liberation, and Mars is the strength and courage to act, so a step is due. Saturn opposite gives it weight and stability if it doesn't thwart. The back and forth between Pisces blind faith and Virgo critical awareness is ongoing. Mars-Uranus is breakthrough.

Because so much is going on around this savior stuff and our broken dreams concerning hope and change, I think that will come into play. It's happening step by step as Uranus leaves Pisces and we finally surrender to the loss.

The Mars conjunction is leading up to the Jupiter-Neptune one, so the swing between hope and despair should be quite noticeable. The worship, I believe, will be abandoned somewhere along the line. Mars is making the battle heat up and the intensity of the worshippers versus the naysayers is apparent already. There could be some tough emotional moments.

The whole phenomenon of hope is up for consideration. What does it mean? certainly not a person. When the conjunction occurs, Venus will be back at 29 Pisces so this is especially interesting. Then Venus goes on to Aries and Mars does too. We should have a much better grip on ourselves, then, and the confidence to realize some of the disappointment with our leadership, and how much strength we need within ourselves to get through what lies ahead. Pisces washes away, and hopefully some fear will go in the waves, along with illusions.

Aries is direction, Mars is confusion, so maybe some clearer path will start to emerge as Mars leaves Pisces. The cosmos is sure trying to help us. Our leadership is elsewhere and it will come into focus when we're ready. I already sense confidence building.

16/3/09 11:54 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

I struggle with thinking of the split of india. i have a spiritual connection to kashmir that makes no sense on this current plane of my multi-layered reality.
I just started reading "Tea and Pomegranates" by Nazeen Sheikh. So far, so fabulous.

I really want to write about my Dad.
I was thinking tonight about how he quit school and got a job in the coal mines when he was 13, the year WWII broke out. He was in Scotland. One day he couldn't bear being sent underground any longer. He refused to obey orders and was punished by being left in the area he'd been afraid to enter because a group of men had just died there.
They left him there all day without food or a light.
His dad was angry but his mum was greatly relieved.
She would then sneak money to his pocket, a few pennies so he could by a fag or two. Off he'd wander to lie in a field and read a book, and smoke.

I think his Moon/Merc (conjunct in Taurus, the exact degree of my Sun) was saved from hell in this way. His mother was a Cancer, which is where his NN is. I wish I had met her. One of the curses of having a much older parent I suppose. I feel deprived of elders sometimes.

I read about Chief Seattle and my heart almost can't take it. It brings out so many emotions I can't even begin. Perhaps this is my Libra North node. partnerships and people being kind to one another never fail to move me.

goodnight, my lovely friend. goodnight, whoever still is awake.

16/3/09 11:57 PM  
Blogger chrispito said...

tseka. if you ever need someone to go check up on your home, i will.
i love all of us there in the future .if we dream it tonight perhaps it will happen.

17/3/09 12:00 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Good night, Chris.

Your dad.:o)

What beautiful words about relationships.

You are the elder.

17/3/09 12:03 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Mars in Pisces started big. A lot of soul.

17/3/09 12:05 AM  
Blogger jm said...

With Mars in convoluted Pisces meeting Uranus we could find hope in unexpected nooks and crannies if this is any indication. I'll bet my doubloons on it. And my shamrock.

17/3/09 12:10 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

Gah. Of course I am his elder, why don't I see it more easily? Of course the issue that I don't wish to be a parent acts as a veil to the reality, which is that I am. I am.

His mother's Sun and his northnode.
His daughter's Moon and his southnode.

It sometimes is a wicked sense of responsibility. In my reality I sometimes feel that no responsibility could be harder.

17/3/09 12:23 AM  
Blogger Tseka said...

JM Chris, you both make me cry and grin, simultaneously. Sigh. What great fortune is mine to enter into the raging universe with sunrise.

Chris, i'll send you directions the trees would welcome you anytime.

17/3/09 7:28 AM  

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