Sunday, March 22, 2009

Ridiculous Circles

"You all just can't stand clear cut anything because then you have nothing to spend your circular ridiculous minds on."
Melanie
Melanie makes a good point. All my life, people have said to me, "Gee ... I never thought of it that way."
I have multi-Uranian influences on my tangential thinking, but I also attribute this not-linear approach to my Mercury square Neptune. I never reach a clear conclusion really. One doesn't seem to exist. But occasionally I get a clear cut with Mars, also square.

The circuitous path that Mercury-Neptune takes leads to rather imaginative places and I would probably have to agree. Some of them are extensively ridiculous. Some only moderately.
Interesting, no? How squares can be circles.

39 Comments:

Blogger Tseka said...

Circles.....

I was thinking about just this as Jupiter and the Moon rose together over the eastern ridge this morning.

The importance of sharing in the circle:

Perhaps during times when Mars and Venus are constrained tension grows?

Everyone knows about the flight or fight response to stress but there is another that is primarily within the domain of women and Venus. Oxytocin is a hormone- often called the hormone of love which makes us feel relaxed and at ease. It is released during childbirth, nursing and in both sexes during orgasm. Uniquely, women release Oxytocin in times of stress! This ability increases when they gather and share, when they nurture and tend to family, pets and gardens.

Where adrenaline or more accurately epinephrine, can be released on an instant, Oxytocin requires time to cultivate.

This is the beauty of a circle, stress can find it's way in to an outlet.

Make Love not War was a saying of my youth. Real wisdom is held within that trite hippie saying if we expand make love to include cultivation and tending of life.

22/3/09 8:12 AM  
Blogger neith said...

Make Love not War was a saying of my youth. Real wisdom is held within that trite hippie saying if we expand make love to include cultivation and tending of life.

Hold that thought! Thank you, my dear, for your valuable insights.

jm, you are just a natural born pot stirrer and we bless you for it! XOXOXO

22/3/09 8:57 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

Squares are just circles with hay fever.

I'm really into circles right now. So much of my art work constitutes orbs made with soft pastels and a twist of my wrist.

22/3/09 9:35 AM  
Blogger chrispito said...

Tseka you've given me yet another reason (make that 1,235,548) why I love human beings so much.

22/3/09 9:36 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

No need to stir the pot, its beginning to boil all on its own.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/declarations.html
Ms Noonan, in her usual pungent yet equinanimous style, slices to the bone. "The president seems everywhere and nowhere, not fully focused on the matters at hand. He's trying to keep up with the news cycle with less and less to say.....This in part is why the teleprompter trope is taking off. Mr. Obama uses it more than previous presidents. No one would care about this or much notice it as long as he showed competence, and the promise of success."

Sadly, in my estimation, his astrology is not as bolstering as some of the fruit looped internet astro commentators seem to indicate in their usual 'manna from heaven' prognostications. With the conjunctive duo of Progressed Mars & Mercury squaring his traditional chart ruler,
( Saturn in the 12th ); a transiting Yod forming from transiting Pluto to his natal Moon and natal Neptune; transiting Chiron and Neptune opposing his modern chart ruler ( Uranus )and his NN; transiting Pluto forming a kite to his natal Moon, Venus, Mercury; transiting Uranus, transiting Pluto and his Progressed Sun about to set up a Grand Cross to his natal Venus;transiting Saturn about to square that natal Venus and quincunx his natal Moon; and by the end of the year his Progressed Moon will conjunct natal Chiron and oppose natal Pluto; I fully expect a physical and emotional spiral down as the pressures and criticisms elevate to substantial proportions. There remains the real possibility of some scandal or issue raising the spectre of impeachment. Yes, really. My sentient side feels great sadness approaching. There is some protection for him offered from Jupiter aspects, however the astrology turns rather frigid for Mr. Obama as his term evolves. I made a prediction last year elsewhere that whoever was elected in November ( last ) theirs would be a one term presidency. I see no reason to alter that prediction.

22/3/09 9:59 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

.....and you think that you were being socially & environmentally responsible and claer cut? Really?
http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/131910?page=entire

Oh what a wicked web we weave when we practice to deceive.

Let's not just cap the bonuses, think about capping the amount of "ownership". When we have companies that are too big to fail, then we should prevent them from becoming so big.

22/3/09 11:18 AM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Squares and Circles bring to mind, 'Mandalas.'

'The "squaring of the circle" is one of the many archetypal motifs
which form the basic patterns of our dreams and fantasies. But it
is distinguished by the fact that it is one of the most important of them from the functional point of view. Indeed, it could even be called the archetype of wholeness.'
from Mandalas. C. G. Jung.

'And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
Were captive on the carousel of time
We cant return, we can only look behind
From where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game.'
Joni Mitchell

'Make Love not War':
I am a proud x hippie who would rather be a 'peacenik.'

Thanks for the detailed info. Chiron. How important are progressions? I don't know how they work.

22/3/09 11:47 AM  
Blogger jm said...

I love you neith.:)

22/3/09 12:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

"The president seems everywhere and nowhere, not fully focused on the matters at hand.

The president has Saturn retrograde in the 12th. He will always be nowhere and everywhere. Just not here.

I have said this repeatedly, and I'm so glad to see you mention it, chiron. Neptune is going to be in his 1st house the whole time, and you are wise to point out Neptune also transiting opposite his ruling Uranus. He's not fit to lead. Again, the good part as we go inward to our collective self.

The progressions to Saturn are also an ongoing undercurrent and all that he does is leading up to the transit of Pluto.

I also think the yod to the Moon in Gemini is important as he relies on speeches to manipulate as you will see on Tuesday. Probably the crowd will rejoice once again thinking he's saving the country after all. It's a crazy psychological game the nation is playing with the Uranus-Neptune mutual reception and the Pisces factor. It has to be, though, so don't despair, my friend, when they loop their fruits. Reality is close. The schizo back and forth will finally exhaust them at the end of Pisces when the mutual reception ends. Reality will be a relief.

Thank you for the rundown. The grand cross looks interesting. Martyred on the cross is so much the story with his Saturn, and also his Neptune square Sun. That's what he wants to fulfill the 12th house need for suffering and dissolving of the ego.

It's good for him as he gets closer to his destiny and also good for us as we go to a new country, so to speak. We'll all help each other in the circular way.

I've said before, if the people are genuine - if they truly love him - they will let him go and do what he needs to do. Not try and make him something he isn't.

It's a tough transition.

22/3/09 1:09 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Welcome back duCan!!

The games around the bonuses are a smokescreen for other acts. There is a lot going on as they try to save their system.

The "big" factor runs deep. The trade guilds originally made it easier to do business and the people are equally responsible for the stranglehold we're in now because the conglomerates have always lowered the prices. This is what they care about the most. So they grew and grew.

The big companies will have to fail if survival now depends on the rebirth of the small and separate. But that will probably come later.

In keeping with life's needs, I think maybe an advertising campaign selling the advantages of these green and healthy developments might be the only way. Constant messaging as the top destructs and the bottom gradually builds a new foundation. But part of it is the people getting less naive and not being suckered so easily by false advertising. The hype over this election could be a turning point in this needed lesson.

I think the big ones will try to increase power at first, and the struggle will play out during the Pluto opposition to Jupiter.

Capricorn is constricted, spare, dense, and small, so I do think the changes are coming.

22/3/09 1:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

We really don't have much of a government. The show is run by big business and the government is an arm of their operation. This is what Pluto is largely about. Separating them, since some of the things needing attention now require good governance. Maybe separations on all levels are needed. Federal and state, big business and small, people and the government itself.

So it could be that consolidation with Pluto will eventually lead to separation and dispersion in airy Aquarius. The preparation is now, though, and separation with Uranus in Aries might get going somewhat. I think gradually the healthy businesses will get a toehold. Some are now.

The hardest part in the immediate crisis is the people dropping the idea that the current government is going to do it for them. With every twist and turn they hope the administration will solve it, and that they won't have to be disturbed and get up, but this government is not on the side of the people as a whole. It will get there when the time comes. The people have to do their part.

22/3/09 1:42 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I know what you mean about the fruit looping chiron. But this is huckster land and what can one do?? I've been up against this since my youth. I don't really think anyone takes anything seriously, so none of it matters. I despair, though, since I was raised by profoundly good astrologers, an irascible bunch that never agreed and read charts with an impressive intelligence. It doesn't make any sense to try and deny the difficulties it takes for growth and progress. We all experience that in our lives. Why not in the country's life? I would think people might be anxious to go through the trials if it meant a better situation later. Astrologers still have to learn how to really use it, since now they are being followed by more people. It will take a minute. They tend to be disjointed and too anxious to impress, but astrology is always impressive, so they need not worry. They can relax a little bit.

Thanks for your input.

22/3/09 2:00 PM  
Anonymous Jewel said...

"The big companies will have to fail if survival now depends on the rebirth of the small and separate. But that will probably come later."

Is it still okay to leave one's money in the banks? Not time yet to take it out and put it under the mattress? There are highly rated regional banks. Think they might be safer than having money in big national institutions?

What a wonderful community, here. Being with you all has become a great, new pleasure for me.

22/3/09 7:31 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Jewel, welcome!!

A lot of people are asking that question, and I haven't panicked yet, but I don't know the answer. No one seems to know.

Some regional banks are doing well, but so are some of the national ones. I have some of my cash in silver coins, which double as usable money if things get really pinched.

Hopefully we'll be able to read the signs, and in the meantime, probably the wisest thing is to check the facts about the bank your money is in.

Some people suggest credit unions so you might look into that.

I'm glad you're here. I think we can map it out by putting our heads together.

22/3/09 7:50 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Teska:
Thank you for sharing your medical knowledge and wisdom on the transcendence of love.

Melanie wrote:
I am guessing this blog is 60 something peaceniks.

I wrote:
I am a proud x hippie who would rather be a 'peacenik.' this comment was for Melanie. Sorry for commenting on the wrong thread.

22/3/09 9:00 PM  
Anonymous Jewel said...

JM. Thank you for your answer. You're so incredibly bright and wise I didn't know if you would want to bother with such a concrete question.

I've been reading, voraciously, for a long time, now, trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together. The interesting thing is how many leaps I've made, here.

I'm awed by the truths revealed by astrology and by the unique insights and interpretations of individual people. Many of your comments, consistent with your astrological insights, jive with what I see O projects psychologically energetically - that of narcissistic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder - the dynamics of which I understand and the dynamics of which do not help to create an emotionally strong and wise leader. When highly respectable editorial writers were talking about O's great temperament to be President, during the election process, last year,I couldn't believe their lack of insight.

After existing in this dizzying, unfocused state for these past months, I'm now, personally, trying to focus on specific actions to come to some peace with the situation and move forward to create a better space to live in. The seriousness of what we're dealing with is enormous, so I think that the emotion and energy of it will be in the background for some time, but I, personally, am really trying, now, to balance that energy with those things I feel passionate about and that give meaning to my life.

I'm comforted to be part of a group where we can, all, as you say, put our heads together and figure it out.

22/3/09 9:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Jewel, this is amazing. And any question is good for me.

I am astonished at how timely your comment is. I must catch my breath and also calm my dizziness while I respond.

Well said ...

that of narcissistic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder - the dynamics of which I understand and the dynamics of which do not help to create an emotionally strong and wise leader. When highly respectable editorial writers were talking about O's great temperament to be President, during the election process, last year,I couldn't believe their lack of insight.

I'm disturbed by the lack of insight, especially with the pretense of expertise always surrounding these statements. His delusions are out there, but more troubling is the public's following.

We're being offered a gift of education with instruction about the government, and if we do the work, a chance to change the course of our leadership choices, as I sense it.

I am a psychological astrologer so I can do that while needed. I'm often reluctant to go into the depths of our complexes since people do not want to confront them. This doesn't mean that we don't have good experiences too. We automatically do. The chart is immensely valuable as a guide to these deep conflicts and I think we're meant to see them. The chart does it perfectly and objectively, almost digitally.

The seriousness of what we're dealing with is enormous, so I think that the emotion and energy of it will be in the background for some time, but I, personally, am really trying, now, to balance that energy with those things I feel passionate about and that give meaning to my life.

I agree with you that it's serious, related to the Uranus-Neptune I've been talking about and our collective breakdown. You are wise. The reason and result is for people to separate from the man and do exactly what you are doing with a better grip on our own psyches. That's part of Uranus leaving Pisces. But there's still a little way to go.

The usurping of our light by O is actually a road sign in our own quest for signficance, so he is good for us, as I look at it. We're going to need it back with the constriction ahead. This is related to the Leo node. It's quite something how the theme repeats. Confidence is the idea - to keep our attention turned more to ourselves. Helping people get free from bondage to these deceitful leaders, and the maddening crowd, and find their inner authority.

We're trapped currently. The Saturn-Uranus oppositions are implicated. I often wonder how far to go, but now I'm thinking I should go as far as I want to. Some are appreciating it, and finding it useful.

He is insignificant and will be gone. But what he symbolizes remains. This is a great opportunity for those of us who want real internal personal progress to make those leaps you mentioned. It's happening to me, too.

I think it's time to cut the nonsense and proceed with dignity and seriousness no matter what anyone says. I'd like to know more about your psychological perceptions. Those fascinate me.

My genuine and dazzled thanks, jewel.

23/3/09 4:03 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

He does it again!!!! I am trending from the belief that he is inexperienced and manipulative towards the estimation that he is simply a narcissistic nit wit.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/03/obama-upsets-sarkozy-with-letter-to.html
1st Gordon Brown, now Sarkozy. Whats' next?

23/3/09 6:50 AM  
Anonymous dble aries said...

This came from a random political website.

Obama was 'allowed' to win to serve as the relief valve for the social upheaval that was steadily building. --

The anger is steadily building, and that relief valve is about to blow. Obama will keep going to the "well" of the people until it is dry.
Crazy-psychological games. smokescreens, explains it all.
Thanks chiron and all, this is a wonderful community here.
It is tooo, funny and true,"tell an Aries, not to do something," and they will. Very true!
Make "love not War" is still a great mantra for today. I am amazed that we have more to protest now! Grassroot Voices are building, and Obama may see only one term. Finally proud, to have my Mars energy, after hearing for years,"you are going to do what??"
Moving in "positive circles", has to be our answer to freedom.

23/3/09 10:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The lack of insight you attribute to the media is unjustifiable. They are journalists not psychiatrists. It is obvious to me that Jewel is trained in psychiatry how else would she be able to diagnose O. The ordinary lay person is unable to do so.

I think they are all suffering from narcissistic personality disorder. During the election someone on Huffington Post called Hillary and Bill Clinton narcissistic. Maybe it is a much needed trait to succeed as a politician.

23/3/09 10:30 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

During the election they called Bill & Hillary every name in the book, but right now they look like St. Peter and Mary Magdalene compared to Beelzebub and Vita Sackville-West.

23/3/09 12:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is so funny that you would compare Michelle to the bisexual Victoria Mary, Vita Sackville-West. Most Republicans think Hillary is Lesbian.

Beelzebub! Go get a life, I am sure O is more handsome than you.

23/3/09 12:49 PM  
Anonymous dble aries said...

LOL chiron
Loved the comparisons. You nailed them.
The "narcissistic charade" with both couples is becoming more difficult to deal with!

23/3/09 12:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dble Aries I love you.

"narcissistic charade" applies to ALL. But chiron is missing the forest for one tree.

23/3/09 1:06 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL!!! Re: a lot of this! Now what did he do? Well, so much for the serious, at least in tone.

Obama will keep going to the "well" of the people until it is dry.

Not so funny and unbelievably accurate. This is his South Node. I must get to it. You are amazing dble A - good hearted and I love you as much as anonymous and more! Narcissistic parade is perfect. How did you know about the well of the people? Stunning.

Finally proud, to have my Mars energy, after hearing for years,"you are going to do what??"

Heheh.

23/3/09 1:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Vita Sackvile-West, HA HA! You are so erudite, chiron.

I think they are all suffering from narcissistic personality disorder.

Couldn't agree more, anon. Such emptiness inside them. No wonder we're here. Why do we do this?

But chiron is missing the forest for one tree.

Heheh.

am trending from the belief that he is inexperienced and manipulative towards the estimation that he is simply a narcissistic nit wit.

Heheh.

23/3/09 1:53 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This is very very very interesting. I imagine some nit-wittedness went on internationally judging from chiron's update, which I will get to, and I was thinking about this last night.

They are trying like mad to groom him and make him look like a real president, telling him exactly what to do and all, and how to behave with the world leaders. I expected him to do well, since his Saturn in Capricorn is desperate to be accepted by the system. He's trying.

So I'd have to assume it's his Neptune transits that are undoing the game plan. And the underlying Aquarian thing he's trying to leave but can't with Saturn exactly quincunx Uranus.

I think we're all undoing, talk about being productive. That's hard to accomplish but our narcissists' charade is doing a good job. I'll hand them that.

23/3/09 2:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

St. Peter.

Heheh.

23/3/09 2:08 PM  
Anonymous dble aries said...

This is the greatest place for creative and astrological knowledge, as well as keeping a sense humor in all of it. Some laughter, is the only way we will keep sane, amid all the other craziness around us. Old cliche, but it still works.

23/3/09 2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great News: Obama isn't perfect! I can live with that. Who is perfect, jewel and chiron?

The whole world is tethering on drastic change threatened by financial collapse, hunger, poverty, lack of health care and housing, loss of jobs and all some people think about 24/7, is negative psychological assessments of the President.

We should be rolling up our sleeves to help this young President succeed. Everyone of us needed on the job training. His success is our success.

Negative psychological babble is not uplifting.
I am off to Aquarius Papers to spend time with Robert Wilkinson.

23/3/09 2:21 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's amazing. The combo of wisdom, sorrow, soulfulness, knowingness, and rage with the zany humor is more than I could have "hoped" for. Did it really happen??

I remember you saying, dble A, how reluctant you were to post at first. Glad you "changed!"

Hope and change are wonderful! I was wrong. That happens.

23/3/09 2:36 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm off to the netherworld to spend time with Nietzsche.

23/3/09 2:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Fifth floor .... going down.

23/3/09 2:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The French president Charles De Gaulle once called the reserve currency status of the U.S. dollar an "extraordinary privilege". Part of the privilege is that the U.S. can borrow in its own currency and later pay back the debt in its own currency even when the dollar by then decreased in value.

China and others are now pressing to end that U.S. privilege.


This is interesting.

The Russian source said Moscow was aware that the emergence of the new global currency would not happen overnight and said its goal was to initiate a discussion about it at the G20 summit in London on April 2.

The meeing on April 2nd is exactly on the Pluto station opposite US Venus at 3 degrees 17.8/9 minutes.

Venus retro is square in Aries.

23/3/09 3:24 PM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

China and others are now pressing to end that U.S. privilege

And such talk is considered by some in the USA to be tantamount to a declaration of war...

Take for instance countries like Iran or Venezuela who have been talking for years about denominating in Euros for in the oil trade. This is probably considered by insiders a much bigger threat than Iran becoming nuclear.

23/3/09 3:29 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think the Iran game is a cover. I agree that there are important things going on that the crowd here is missing.

I think we're truly in the doghouse. So all this talk about American greatness and "success" might be a tiny bit premature. We seem to be undoing more as we go. We need a lesson in humility. Anyone game?

I have no idea why people resist the natural flow of life, and try to talk themselves out of reality. The waves and cycles. Down is down unless you're at the bottom. Maybe a lift in your shoe will help. But it is what it is. A game and we're the unwitting participants.

The fact is ... the monetary system of the world is in flux. As I've said, we have to see where it lands before solutions get a toehold. I think part of it will be the continued diminishing of US domination for now, and I think that could be a relief.

It does take a minute to adjust.

23/3/09 3:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Getting off center stage, with the help of the South Node in Leo for the next four years will give the nation a chance to write a new script, learn new lines, study up a bit, and get cooperative without expecting some massive collective house-raising of consciousness, or radical transformation into the highest pillars of pure white light. It's not that complicated or cosmic, really. Just cut the star crap.

23/3/09 4:03 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hardly perfect. But in my youth I was a babe!

"Beelzebub! Go get a life, I am sure O is more handsome than you."

Since my decided preference is for black men, ( my last two significant others were gorgeously ebony ) I would almost agree with you, except I don't find him all that attractive for a black man, and I prefer real men, not fops. So if not Beelzebub, then....maybe....could it be......................SATAN?

As for Michelle, a.k.a. Vita maybe she found her calling plucking arrugula.

But I hope Hillary is indeed a lesbian. Since Lincoln was gay maybe that comparison would ring more true than Zero's PR.

Now I am off to Roosterfish to find a Kobe Bryant lookalike.I'll let you all know when I find that 'tree'! Hopefully its big, firm and strong.

23/3/09 7:36 PM  
Blogger jm said...

The whole world is tethering on drastic change.

Where did we all get this idea?

24/3/09 4:06 AM  

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