Wednesday, March 18, 2009

Worse Than a Republican

Recently, I was accused of not hating George Bush enough. He is far from my type, but I admit it. My gut doesn't twist into a five nanometer pretzel, nor does my blood pressure threaten to blast my head off when his name is mentioned. And my morning pita remains in my stomach. Somewhere, he just drifted off my map.
At the same time it was mentioned that I was negative, and here we are on the new 21st century battlefield ... the Positives, filled with love and radiance, versus the enemy from the Evil Empire -- the Negatives. Only one thing. The Positives hate the Negatives, which negates the positive.
You'd never know I was so evil. I have beautiful curly dark hair, healthy peach-rose skin with a hint of plum, a third eye in addition to my two warm deep green ones, a dazzling smile, and a tiny, lithe, graceful body that loves to dance. And gentle hands. But the dark forces can hide, and now I realize I'm worse than a Republican out here in reality. I never thought I could be hated so much.
I used to be afraid to be myself in society. I'm a timid person. Being slapped with the negative label was something I preferred not to happen. But as a result of recent events, I will refrain from rejecting that appellation. I proudly wear my identity, and all those Republicans recently kicked to the curb can enjoy being one notch above me -- a declared Negative. Somebody more hated than they are. Unwanted: dead or alive.
But this is odd .... life really is unpredictable.
I was previously antagonist toward the Gloomers and now I'm feeling somewhat empathetic as I've moved on to other displeasures. Was I remiss in ejecting them so forcefully from my sanctum? I did it with ceremony if that helps. They could get rough.
Here's the thing about hope. It means that the present isn't good enough. I decided it is. Oh, I hope for a little of that, maybe some of those, while I'm busy with all of this. Pleasant surprises are nice.
But I get bored. So I'm exploring the pleasures of the negative persuasion for a little change of pace and investigating the act of disapproval. It's quite interesting as it's turning out.

74 Comments:

Blogger Tseka said...

Well be careful of the grumpbuckets m'dear.

And who says those folk who accuse you of being too negative know anything about being positive?

I'll join you on the middle road it includes dips and rises.

Are you still up? Here, the sun is just now making it's entrance.

18/3/09 7:09 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Up but going down. Me and the sun trade places.

18/3/09 7:13 AM  
Anonymous dble aries said...

I want to thank everyone that has agreed with my comments. I appreciate it very much. Oh dear, it is a different road for me too, to be the negative one, a whistleblower type. Why doesn't everyone else see where this Administration is leading us,/ the same old road?
I see our comments as a positive
virtue, ahead of the curve, to make our country stronger.
Thank God, for RU.....

18/3/09 9:26 AM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Remember the words of Ricky Nelson's Garden Party:
You can't please everybody you gotta please yourself.

The people accusing you of being negative are being negative when they do so. No one can be positive, up and perky all the time, unless you are Kathielee Gifford:)) We spiral up, we spiral down and work at staying in the middle.

jm, a few posts back you wrote that we shouldn't judge events as good or bad.

18/3/09 9:48 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

I love how you stir it up JM! If you weren't a challenge sometimes, I'd probably be gone. I love it! I'm not attached to most of my thinking. Much of it has proven again and again over the years to be in error, but at least I know how to do it and examine it as a consequence of those errors. I'm becoming a fan of sensuality again.

18/3/09 9:49 AM  
Blogger m.p.k said...

It happens a lot with my wife, although I'm training her to understand this about me. I'm talking about something, she starts to take it personally, which is the last thing on my mind. I just like to explore ideas from all angles, and I'm not trying to reach any conclusions -actually the opposite. I just enjoy how they unfold. Lots of people just don't get this way of communicating.

18/3/09 9:55 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

Some of the most positive individuals in history have been mass murderers.

"Well, Jane, it just goes to show you, it's always something. You either got a toenail in your hamburger or toilet paper clinging to your shoe."


Thank you Roseanne Roseannadanna

18/3/09 10:27 AM  
Blogger dxp said...

I have quite a few friends who are in a cult which had many secrets. Thanks to the internet the secrets started coming out and they were not pretty. Those who exposed the secrets were viciously accused of being "negative" - it is a first line defense. Some of reality is just negative. Some positive. Really the division into negative/bad and positive/good is often subjective. Doing it too much is like gorging yourself on the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

There is a fascinating Tibetan Buddhist meditation where the subject of meditation is one of the gods/goddesses of wrath. The meditator is to hold the image of the wrathful and actually become the spirit. After the meditation the spirit is released. They are to supply protection and cleansing.

Marie Louise von Franz wrote extensively about embodying only good or bad and the Self's incorporating both. She is one of my favorites!

Really enjoyed reading your post today JM!

Chiron, my animals are down to just one little cat who seems to manage a huge range of english vocabulary. At least that is how it seems to me.

18/3/09 11:17 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Exactly dble A. I've been pointing out the joke of it all. It's all in the line "The Positives hate the Negatives but that negates the positive."

It's wonderfully absurd, and I appreciate your real relentless criticism of the administration. The BS going on now I'm not even following and they're falling for it!!

18/3/09 2:07 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I love how you stir it up JM! If you weren't a challenge sometimes, I'd probably be gone. I love it

I've finally decided to bite the bullet and do my job. I decided not to back down and I might even get a tad relentless as Pluto in Capricorn knows is necessary and everyone is about to find out in many ways.

Some of the most positive individuals in history have been mass murderers.

The badgering about it is a coverup for fears about one's own virtue. People who push the positive hard are looking for approval oftentimes and are having problems cultivating their own. They don't see the hypocrisy, though, so progress is stalled.

It's the same about "hard-working," thought to be such a virtue. Murderers work hard.

I really do think it's time for this whacked out on Zanax "have a nice day" country to pipe down and face some reality, gloomy as some of it might be. And it's not on CNN. All reality is mixed though.

Those who exposed the secrets were viciously accused of being "negative" - it is a first line defense. Some of reality is just negative. Some positive.

Avoiding the negative is the surest path to its continuation.

Marie Louise von Franz wrote extensively about embodying only good or bad and the Self's incorporating both. She is one of my favorites!

Mine too.
I used to think people in general weren't ready for the real metaphysical, where Marie comes from, but maybe they are. The promise of "hope and change" and good times was also in the absurd category at a time like this. But you know I believe the inapplicable fairy tale is on its way out. We make our own fairy tales as we go when needed. They're always accessible even when reality is entered.

One of the deeper issues here is our management of approval, which is a Venus in Aries thing, so that's probably why it's in the air. They certainly approve of the worst and criticize some of the best.

Theoretically, group approval works as behavior modification, which is good, but somehow it got botched up.

18/3/09 2:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Why doesn't everyone else see where this Administration is leading us,/ the same old road?

I've given this a lot of thought since it's so frustrating for those of us who see through it. I'm trying to rein in and use my outrage, which is lifelong when it comes to crowd approval of the wrong people and the deceit of politicians.

A primary fact to consider is that they aren't really leading us. More the opposite. Wherever we are going we are doing it as a whole collective.

I was looking at Gandhi and India last night and was reminded of real leadership. We don't have that now and I think this is perfect. The comparisons to FDR and the other greats is beginning to look ridiculous as the truth leaks in. In retrospect the campaign looks tacky and superficial. I find that a relief. Hopefully, the administration will continue to weaken so the country can get weaned and I think the charismatic factor is part of the lesson. It will come hard, but it will be genuine.

So I think the absurd following can be attributed to the newness of the administration and also the fact than in order to dissolve delusions they have to be inflated a bit first. This might be the purpose of the Joop-Nep conjunction. People need the clinging now also as a prelude to the Cancer transits. They need the father figure for now.


I, and some of you, are champing at the bit to get past this, but we'll have to hold our horses and trust in the process. And continue to speak up. Once in a blue moon they receive, and maybe that makes all the difference in the world. They have to be ready. Real disappointment comes first. So the bubble is a preliminary.

I'm going to try and be slow and steady with the dissemination of my viewpoints, trying not to explode with frustration at the reality I see. "Try" is the operative word.:) It's slow motion out there, but in film, there's beauty in it. Slowly they'll come. Better if they come individually. Aries are going to figure in more and more as it unfolds.

The truth has a way. It hides for good reason.

18/3/09 3:35 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

But why does it hide? Someone once said, a lie travels halfway around the world before the truth even gets its shoes on. Or something similar.

18/3/09 3:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Perfect joe. I didn't know I was among the wise adage crowd!

And what a question.
They call it the "naked truth," so maybe the exposure is too revealing for us in daily life. We have so many layers of falsehood, and it starts as infants when we have to smile to get what we want. Our survival depends on learning false behaviors.

Maybe the truth is also confident and doesn't need constant attention. It comes only when needed in perfect rhythm. Truth is useless when the barrier of lie is held firmly in place. Maybe it seeks an opening before entering. I feel honored by its presence.

Then comes the question of whether or not there is such a thing. Is it all subjective? Is it welcomed only after the coverup becomes unbearable? Scorpio issues.

True: Genuine. The real thing.

It really is a great metaphysical question. I wish this brilliant crowd would offer some ideas. I love this one.

18/3/09 4:05 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Lies are ruled by Neptune, and truth, by Saturn ... Real, reality, Capricorn. (Could be argument there)

Maybe the gaseous nature of lies sends them speeding around the world, and the density and weight of truth make it travel slower.

Heh?? Not bad.:)

18/3/09 4:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I'm not attached to most of my thinking. Much of it has proven again and again over the years to be in error.

There's that honesty again, speaking of truth. I love this, mpk. So simple accurate and universal. We're all wrong! We err in the name of truth!

18/3/09 4:24 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

wow.

Maybe the gaseous nature of lies sends them speeding around the world, and the density and weight of truth make it travel slower.

I think you captured it perfectly! The gaseous nature also makes it hard to keep track of the lies. Ephemeral.

18/3/09 4:29 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

"Real disappointment comes first."

We were disappointed way back during the campaign when he said he will end the war in Iraq but not Afghanistan. We were looking forward to having our troops back as peace keepers not getting killed in Afghanistan.

It appears as though he doesn't have a game plan for the much purported 'Hope and Change.' It was only campaign rhetoric. Is that the Neptune lie?

It is the same old same old.
I can feel the disappointment mounting.

18/3/09 4:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That thought struck a good chord in me, joe. I just love the way your mind works.

The gaseous nature also makes it hard to keep track of the lies. Ephemeral.

We're seeing that right now with Mars in Pisces and the bank thingy. We're always chasing lies like rainbows! The ephemeral nature is probably our saving grace. Daily life's way. Truth probably remains undercover, grounding us and providing real stability as we run through the maze of lies getting nowhere. Maybe the web of lies keeps us going, trying to extricate ourselves from the madness and making it worse every second. It truly is absurd.

18/3/09 4:47 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It appears as though he doesn't have a game plan for the much purported 'Hope and Change.' It was only campaign rhetoric. Is that the Neptune lie?

Yep. He has Neptune way up there prominent in major aspect. Gemini can be two-faced, and that also figures in. He's going to rely on his word games to manipulate the public all the time, but we're supposed to be getting hip to it gradually. the disappointment is rather weighty now, but still the denial is in effect until the fall, probably, when the disappointment will be a relief to embrace.

It's tough. they've invested so much emotion and money in this man and it's hard to be seen as the fool. But one of the most important lessons in life is understanding how we all are fools. Nothing to be ashamed of. That's where they are now. The embarrassment factor making them cling. They'll come at different times. It's an ongoing procedure so watching it from here will be interesting.

the country's Neptune in Virgo is getting the treatment. Saturn will take care of things soon enough.

He has no game plan. The plan is to keep playing the game without one. Not much of a leader here, thank god. The financial network, rules, not the government. He's a figurehead.

Actually, something else rules. So it really doesn't matter in the end who does what. It just feels better not to cling to a man sometimes.

18/3/09 4:58 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Notice how he operates. Big press conference, televised with brilliant lights, coming up next. Prime time? More deceit, more manipulation, more fawning, and the theater stays open.
I liked his act at first, but I get tired of most of them, except the craggy-faced Thespians who really stir my soul. The ones with my life written on their faces.

18/3/09 5:06 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's so clear how the country is struggling within herself to sort it all out now, trying to pinpoint blame and figuring out who to trust. It "really" can't be done. While all this continues, life goes in some groove we can't perceive. We're all right.

What this does, though, is provide a symbol of our own deceptions, and our own needs. For those who cling to leaders, they have reasons for needing to believe and follow that we can't see. Those who defy authority are doing it for internal reasons too.

Many of us who resist leadership probably have strong leadership traits yet to be developed, so difficult separations are a way to access the inner authority. Some need outside guidance and always will.

I do think, however, that our country has lost her way and needs to discover a new source of leadership within herself coming with Pluto opposite the Sun. I expect us to be confused and wandering a bit until then, although with Uranus in Aries, the hidden nugget should be sensed more.

Pluto governs buried treasure and in Capricorn, he will guide us to the nugget of internal authority, later to be reflected in our leadership, if all goes well. It's a sequential arrangement with no shortcuts.

We Aries types move faster and see the lay of the land ahead of the others. When the time comes, we'll all act.

18/3/09 5:45 PM  
Blogger Marie said...

I've been enjoying the disintegration thread here& have become more aware of the government puppet show. I think the internet has allowed much transparency of the institutional corruption which has always been attached to absolute power. That being said, I have not been able to envision what its absence would look like. We have been drilled in the concept of government vs anarchy, sheepdom vs mayhem & wild looting? Group fear vs individual faith? If executive leadership is a moot point, what takes its place?
I'm not a utopia fanatic, but would like to see some reasonable/workable ideas about a global evolutionary transition instead of merely clever rhetoric regarding the obvious trajectory of a crumbling system.

18/3/09 7:40 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Me and the sun trade places.

Brings to mind this old Patti Page song "I Don't Care If The Sun Don't Shine"

The sun contains a ray
They label "vitamin D"
If you like vitamin D, it's quite alright with me
But I am here to say
That I like vitamin love
But I can't get vitamin love
With that doggone sun above

I don't care if the sun don't shine
I get my loving in the evening time
When I'm with my baby
It's no fun with the sun around
But I get going when the sun goes down
And I meet my baby
That's when we kiss and kiss and kiss
And then we kiss some more
Don't ask how many times we kissed
At a time like this, who keeps score?
So, I don't care if the sun don't shine
I'll get my loving in the evening time
When I'm with my baby

18/3/09 7:49 PM  
Blogger dxp said...

In some ways I feel sorry for Obama. I had the experience a couple of years ago of being recruited for a non profit cultural board and soon figured out it was because I didn't have board experience and the director thought he could manipulate and control the board that way (none of us had experience). What a learning experience! We, as a board, faced negative facts, came together and refused to be manipulated - hey we were on the line. It was very painful! Obama is not very experienced in administration, governance and policy ramifications. He seems to have no vision or experience in how to implement a vision. He must be simply overwhelmed, tho I doubt he would admit as much to himslef.

18/3/09 8:16 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Joe, how interesting to see someone else's song in print. I always hesitate to post mine without music, so this is instructional!

I feel the same way sometimes, dxp. I especially felt it inauguration night. But he wanted this and needed it. I think it relates to his Saturn and the hard lessons ahead. he's lucky to get this out of the way so early.

He has no experience and they did pick him for his weakness. He has no power. It's not the time for a vision anyway.

18/3/09 9:50 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Marie ...

I think the internet has allowed much transparency of the institutional corruption which has always been attached to absolute power.

I agree. And you are so right about the void we face in the absence of the usual governemnt. I think we'll gradually find the replacement after the crisis years have passed.

I've been longing for ideas, too, but I've come to the conslusion that we're not quite ready yet. We might not really be ready to build a more ideal government until Pluto gets to Aquarius in 16 years.

18/3/09 9:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Right now I think we're being shocked into temporary paralysis in order to witness something big, and then the shock of action will come. A lot has to fall and it will take time to rebuild. At this point, people are starting to worry about basics, such as survival. Give it a mo.

18/3/09 9:59 PM  
Blogger dxp said...

OK, I'm going to ask a question of all readers here, especially of JM and Chiron.... If you were were to create a body of art work right now what would the theme be? What are the stars wanting to say? What are those people (ie the people here) who dance with the stars wanting to say???? Or ask??? or ponder??? Where are the archetypal stories for this time??? I'm really interested in anything anyone has to say on this topic. These are burning questions for me.

19/3/09 12:18 AM  
Blogger jm said...

Great question. I keep thinking of stories around gold, for some reason. The pot at the end of the rainbow keeps coming up, and I thought of Midas and the problem of hoarding wealth, symbolized by the bank situation. Gold is being watched religiously.

There are so many stories about temptation and trickery where we learn what is really valuable at the end.

I also think of Aesop's fable where the dog grabs for his bone reflected in the water and loses it all. That ties in the delusions we're struggling with.

My own life follows Pluto into the underworld and the room holding the world's riches. I've written many songs on the subject. The Wheel Will Come Around embraces the theme of uncertainty and trust in the natural turn of our inner wheels which requires us to go down into our own psychological depths for wealth. I described the place as having silver streams, diamond stairs, and a ground made up of rubies and gold. The whole thing shimmers and one is provided with a shovel to pick up any amount wanted. And a reminder of how long it can take to get down there is included.

The wheel of fortune is spun by the us in the song.

Another one, Midnight Cruise, describes the inner sanctum as a place of dance underneath the ocean. Silver and rubies are there also. And sapphires.

I'm struck by the story of bondage and blame around stored wealth going on in the world right now. Who are the keepers? What is ours? What can we never keep? What must we share? What price do we pay to whom for what we desire? Is wealth infinite? Isn't there enough for everybody no matter who steals or hoards what?

I trust others will answer this imaginative question about stories.

19/3/09 4:38 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

Interesting question Dxp. The aspect I would look to right now is the rare grand conjunction imminent with Neptune, Chiron and Jupiter. What symbolism. What power. The possibilities are endless, from obscuring realities to illuminating truths. This conjunction will play out in any number of ways depending on any given particular chart. But really, I ponder this conjunction and I think of Walt Disney. Animation. Illusion. Saga. Myth and Truth. Fantasia. Sleeping Beauty awakes with a kiss. Maleficent gazing into the mirror. "Mirror, mirror on the wall. Whose the fairest of them all?" Truth strikes. Illusions dispelled.

Indicative of such grand fantasies we see perhaps the culimation of comic book type fantasy as the stage version of Spiderman, music and lyrics by U2, prepares for its Broadway opening.

This conjunction may affect us in any number of other ways. A tsunami. A plague. Sobriety. False relationships. China is greatly affected. Discoveries abound.

On another note Joe. I see you one Patti Page, and up you one Pete Townshend.


We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they were all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?

Yeah!

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss!

19/3/09 7:09 AM  
Anonymous Joe said...

*applause* Very apropos, Chiron! I don't know the melody but the words sing nevertheless.

19/3/09 7:47 AM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Excellent Question dxp.

My archetypes would be John Lennon and the Beatles with themes around what they stood for like Peace, love, a brotherhood of man and revolution. Take his song 'Imagine' Neptune deals with imagination and 'We're talking about a revolution.'
Uranus deals with Revolution. I think John Lennon and the Beatles understood we couldn't achieve these ideals without some kind of spiritual revolution.
I will leave you with the words of Imagine by the great John Lennon:

Imagine
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Revolution: The Beatles
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

19/3/09 9:35 AM  
Blogger dxp said...

fascinating!

Chiron, super heroes are in the air (check Hillbuzz). I think of one ancient superhero in Icarus. He flew too high to the golden sun and melted his wings and fell back to earth. We are all part of this story but Obama is certainly a symbol of this. I can feel the melting starting in earnest. I checked into TalkLeft this morning and these sensible left brained folks are actually talking about hording food! Something is in the air.

Of the conjuncion of Neptune and Jupiter I can see. But adding in Chiron it adds greatly to the complexity. Again, I think of Icarus.

JM where can I hear these songs?! I'm also very attracted to hidden wealth, but hidden right in front of one's eyes. Its just that we don't see it until we shift our point of view just a little, then our wealth is bit by bit revealed.

19/3/09 10:52 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

I love Lennon. Great song DuCan.

Icarus yes. Another mythology comes to mind for the Neptune, Jupiter, chiron conjunct. Melville's Moby Dick. An allegory. Chock full of appropriate symbolism matching the themes inherent in these planets meanings.

" ... to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."

Also the Wrath of Khna or even Batlestar Gallatica. Last episode tomorrow night. Everyone watch.

19/3/09 11:47 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

Speaking of HillBuzz, Moby Dick, Ahab and whales.........
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/senator-chris-dodd-needs-to-immediately-resign-from-the-senate-banking-committee-admits-to-lying-about-involvement-in-aig-bonuses/

19/3/09 11:53 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

Moby Oprah?

:o Bad Chiron!

19/3/09 11:56 AM  
Blogger dxp said...

Chiron, the Dodd thing might just blow up in the administration's face. It seems he might just be the fall guy for Geitner, Summers and Obama.

http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/17/treasury-attempts-to-blame-dodd-for-aig-bonuses/

19/3/09 11:58 AM  
Blogger chiron said...

Da da da Dodd did it!!! Duh.

Do you really think that people are that stupid? Geithner will go. probably a little later. But he will go. Because poor overwhelmed Barack will need someone to roll under the bus. He is getting so good at that he should be working for the MTA.

19/3/09 12:54 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

Joe, I listened to Patti Page as a child. Yesterday Jm wrote about truth, you asked why truth hides and today chiron says: "Truth strikes. Illusions dispelled." Chris Dodd just admitted to lying.

Thanks chiron.
I Always do that scream at the end of Don't Get Fooled Again whenever I hear it. You are right on re: "llusion. Saga. Myth and Truth."

Thanks for Moby Dick, good choice.

19/3/09 12:54 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

Bad, mean, nasty Chiron!

19/3/09 12:54 PM  
Blogger dxp said...

Yes, the Moby Dick tale....out at sea...the submerged obsession....that will not heal...

19/3/09 1:40 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I thought of Sleeping Beauty and I couldn't pinpoint the connection! Such a good question, dxp.

The mirror tells the story. I was also thinking of waking up a bit from the narcolepsy and maybe after the conjunction it will start to happen.

And I completely forgot to mention Icarus, the most obvious one of all. I was going to write an article on this. I keep talking about his fall preceding the Pluto transit to his Saturn, and I think it has everything to do with our fall in stature in the world which looks to be getting worse. The world has mixed feelings about us and after our Pluto return I see a rise, probably incorporating the Icarus experience which could be big. He has to learn genuine humility in his life with Saturn retro in the 12th. Hubris is his way. We have to learn genuine pride with NNLeo, not swaggering and dropping megabombs.

I can feel the melting starting in earnest. I checked into TalkLeft this morning and these sensible left brained folks are actually talking about hording food! Something is in the air.

I think food prices might skyrocket and I expect to see emptier shelves. People are very very reluctant to entertain the possibility of real revolt here, but I think it might be, not necessarily violent. If there is violence, it could just be in spots. Some are trying to compare to other times of social change, but I think this is different in view of the Pluto return. There is a furious attempt to cover up the severity of the situation and to pretend that things will just nicely and comfortably morph into change without interrupting the regular scheduled programming. Anything's possible, but radical transformation isn't usually a trip to the mall.

I do think the hardest step is going to be the recognition that Obama is not fighting for the commoners. Then it will get in motion. There's a schizophrenic (Neptune) division in the collective mind now between the people in his administration and him. Obama good. Everyone else bad. Not exactly correct. he owns it. It will come clear. He could change, of course. The 29 Scorpio Moon of the inaugural chart will tell the tale.

Another myth is that if the rich fall, everything will be rosy. Also incorrect. They fail to see how tied up we all are together. But people sense the truth and they are already changing their habits. That's the key to recovery.

19/3/09 2:36 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Chiron, the Dodd thing might just blow up in the administration's face. It seems he might just be the fall guy for Geitner, Summers and Obama.

There are so many of them. All war profiteering, too.

Here's what I think....they staged the bonus game with the bank in order to go on with their other plans for stealing which really aren't so secret if the fools would pay attention. The faux outrage is too cheesy. If Dodd takes the fall, it could be awhile for the blowup, but it's scheduled.

I completely agree with the Moby Dick connection. I wonder if Mars in Pisces will increase the pursuit leading up to the conjunction.

19/3/09 2:46 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

I'm sorry. But the Boys at the Buzz are on a roll today!!!!



ROTFLMAO


http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/is-tim-geithner-an-orc/


Precious.

19/3/09 3:09 PM  
Anonymous Kati said...

dxp You asked us to create a body of art work using astrology with archetypes. As an artist from San Miguel I thought you were going to create a collage of ideas thoughts and words by every one on a huge canvas and title it Picture A Better World. But you talk about left brain food hoarders.

Do you have something against right brain artists.
You blew it big time.

19/3/09 3:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Heheh. It's all in the angle of perception.

Dxp was right in the groove with the mythological question. Let's see when the conjunction comes how the tales relate.

We're a few degrees shy of the station and retrograde of Pluto, with the Aries Sun soon to square. Are we getting a taste of tension in government? I don't know. I haven't been following the story, but it sounds like it.:)

I still have to stand back and watch with amusement while the people play the innocents in the story and the Evil Empire rulers are the culprits. It will take a several thousand years, but hey! I've got nothing too much planned.

19/3/09 3:22 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Why is it, chiron, that ears are the telling factor? Maybe we should be reading them more closely.

Once a periodontist was peering into my mouth and right before my eyes he grew fangs. My Merc-Nep, you know. I'm hardly the one to categorize a person by looks.:) Or am I?

19/3/09 3:28 PM  
Blogger dxp said...

Ha! Kati, Of course I don't have anything against any artist whatsoever! That comment was about lawyers who are involved with facts (not intuition - or at least they don't admit to that), yet the conversation I linked to is reading like a sea of confusion, with a pinch of panic thrown in. It is very revealing of how many folks are now waking up, or sensing a waking up. It was just an aside.

Kati, are you saying you are an artist? If so, what themes are you working with?

I know there is much criticism about the artist Dale Chihuly, but I really love his work generally. He has a couple of installations at the Tacoma Museum and the Tacoma Glass museum. I found an image of one which gives a clue to how aquatic/neptunian these visual images are:

http://gonw.about.com/od/photoswa/ig/Tacoma-Photo-Gallery/Sea-Form-Pavilion.htm

19/3/09 3:39 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

Speaking of Sleeping Beauty and Moby Dick, there is another classic that bears mentioning today. Not that it reflects the themes inherent in Neptune Jupiter or Pluto Uranus, but because it simply reminds me of Washington DC circa NOW! With all the feigned outrage, hypocrisy, lying, back stabbing, and politics as usual the ultimate cinema classic ( and one of my fave all time flicks ) Casablanca comes to mind.

Remember Captain Louis Renault (Claude Rains), a corrupt opportunist who later says of himself, "I have no convictions ... I blow with the wind, and the prevailing wind happens to be from Vichy."

Wow tatoo that on the wrist of every cabinet appointee. They seemingly change every day anyway, they should be reminded how ephemeral the posting really is.
( Sorry Hillary, me love )
By the way I've been reluctant to state this, but now i'd be remiss if I didn't. This has to be the worst presidential transition in history since Adams Jefferson.

However the clasic line I am reminded of yet again today is
"I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!" --Again Captain Renault exclaims this precious bon mot as a croupier runs by him handing him his winnings. Claude Rains was so much more elegant a man than Obama, Geithner or Senator Dodd. So you smiled when he said it. Its growing tiresome today.

But then again that script is full of appropos cliches...

"I beg of you, Monsieur, watch yourself. Be on guard. This place is full of vultures, vultures everywhere, everywhere." --The Dark European.

"What right have I to think?" --Ugarte.

"I don't mind a parasite. I object to a cut-rate one." --Rick.

"Suppose you run your business and let me run mine." --Rick

"I stick my neck out for nobody." --Rick

"My dear Mademoiselle, perhaps you have already observed that in Casablanca, human life is cheap. Good night, Mademoiselle." --Strasser

" Heh, you know, watching you just now with the Deutsche Bank, one would think you've been doing this all your life. " Ugarte

"As the leader of all illegal activities in Casablanca, I am an influential and respected man." Senor Ferrari

"You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die." Victor Laszlo

Captain Renault: What in heaven's name brought you to Casablanca?
Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
Captain Renault: The waters? What waters? We're in the desert.
Rick: I was misinformed.

Captain Renault: Ricky, I'm going to miss you. Apparently you're the only one in Casablanca with less scruples than I.

Captain Renault: Oh no, Emil, please. A bottle of your best champagne, and put it on my bill.
Emil: Very well, sir.
Victor Laszlo: Captain, please...
Captain Renault: Oh, please, monsieur. It is a little game we play. They put it on the bill, I tear up the bill. It is very convenient.



You would think that Julius J. Epstein, Philip G. Epstein, and Howard Koch were now scripting Washington.

19/3/09 3:44 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I blow with the wind, and the prevailing wind happens to be from Vichy.

Very well put.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! ROFL!

I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

Oh, the indignation. This is perfect Chiron.

I don't mind a parasite. I object to a cut-rate one.

A lot in that one.

LOL!

I was misinformed.

Thanks, my man. The script is somewhere in the archetypal stories recently brought to mind.:)

19/3/09 3:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

This government is a farce and I realize we're enjoying the show as usual in this 3 Stooges country. Enjoy it while you can. We're going to need a real government sometime in the future.

It's funny to watch the crowd with their heads in the bonuses as if life depended on it. Astrologers busy busy busy, sooth sayers proclaiming, bankers banking. It's all in the game. The commoners never cheat, do they?

19/3/09 4:00 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Who dunnit?

So what story captures the gambling instinct of humans? If I take a risk here, I will gain there. If I lose everything, I will gain everything. Pluto. I always love the idea of connecting the mythological with action on the ground.

The problem, I've discovered, in trying to create a Better World is that we miss what's right about the world we're in now. The biggest thing is the fact that the new world is populated by us as we are, so our fantasies are just that. They are nice, no doubt, but as an artist I have an interesting struggle between painting a prettier picture, or mapping present reality.

I've seen this historically, too. Artists are so often caught in political conflict since they tend to be idealists, collectively oriented, and I often see a conflict between focusing on the struggles or fantasizing.

Interesting that Picasso, for example, did so many different things, yet he is remembered most by his painting of the Spanish Civil War.

I love this subject and I know there is no answer. The Impressionists took the flower garden route, while the Expressionists took to portraying flaw. The abstract Modernists maybe had a good idea. Warp the whole thing completely so it's unidentifiable.

This is the Better World. The Promised Land has delivered if you look between the lines.

19/3/09 4:07 PM  
Anonymous ducan said...

Absolute Reality.
or
Reality is absolute

19/3/09 4:19 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I always laugh to think of how Kafka, Nietzsche, Poe, and the rest of them would react to someone saying, "you should be more positive." Yet they are followed just as much as the fairies. I remember in my childhood the adults' fascination with soap operas and all the negativity. Every day positive turned to negative to positive and on and on and on. A little bit more negative. So if Positives want to reign, they will have to tweak the collective emotional body. Figure that out first.

This administration is awful. That's reality. It will get good. That is neither here nor there. Fantasy at present. Certainly could be if miracles exist. And they do.

Here's the current problem. The light filled utopia that the Positives push is always in the collective consciousness to be accessed at any time. It will never fade and all of our fairy tales capture its essence. But most of them also include the sorrow. Some continue to follow the vision. Nothing will stop that.

But now, with Uranus leaving, the fantasy is being temporarily overlooked because of the call to take a closer look at reality on the ground. It just is. The Positives are clamoring to save their hold on the collective mind, but they'll have to relent for a moment while this message comes in, at the same time maybe gently reminding us of its presence at opportune moments.

The fantasy doesn't exist without the other side. Life is contrast. Wouldn't it be good if the collective faced harsh reality as a step to incorporating more of the fairy tale? It might not happen any other way. After a journey through a more contracted stretch, expansion is natural. Then the Positive will have added power. It's all fair in the end.

19/3/09 4:39 PM  
Blogger jm said...

So it all comes down to a happy ending, which we all want, whether it's a positive road or a negative one. Thing is ... there is no ending. Not yet.

If ever you've had an experience with expanded consciousness you know how it goes. You can't stop the movement. It goes everywhere. Light and shadow constantly trading places.

19/3/09 4:47 PM  
Anonymous duCan said...

chiron, you were a delight today.

jm, brilliant as ever.

I am off to my annual Spring Equinox Mediation Retreat in the Rockies.

Bye.

19/3/09 4:56 PM  
Blogger jm said...

That sounds cool, refreshing and wonderful. Steady she goes.

19/3/09 5:02 PM  
Blogger dxp said...

I second that DuCan - sounds wonderful.

I'm still chuckling about "I was misinformed"


Henri Faintin-Latour did many figruative works and I read somewhere he considered his mythological scenes his most important works, yet it is his flowers for which he is remembered. And they are amazing, the whole world is there.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://72.5.117.144/fif%3Dfpx/sc9/SC92897.fpx%26obj%3Diip,1.0%26wid%3D400%26cvt%3Djpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp%3Frecview%3Dtrue%26id%3D32739&usg=__5TqkHq8qR8uOtzIp8MjRcBQrrrE=&h=506&w=400&sz=42&hl=en&start=21&um=1&tbnid=MpYktQ1D3d3HvM:&tbnh=131&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfantin%2Blatour%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

19/3/09 5:13 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Good simplicity.

About my songs, dxp... I haven't made any decisions about recording yet, but I will in time. I probably should do my own and disperse them myself so I will keep you posted. In fact, that's a good idea. Temporary decision made.

19/3/09 5:33 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

Ok So I wanted to find an artist for you all who epitomized the positive, used Neptunian illusion, performed on Jupitonian scale, and pinched pennies doing it. So....well....he is simply wonderful! Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAFI1i5FIBc

19/3/09 5:33 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL! What a face.

Thank heaven for the Positive. It's all so frikking absurd. Thank heaven for that too.:)

Remember the olden days? the battle between the x chromosome and the y? Long gone. It's the New Dawn of + and -. Welcome fellow seekers.

19/3/09 5:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

LOL, chiron. Really.

Wise man, you.

19/3/09 5:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Spirit man. You just blew the whole thing to smithereens in such a gentle way. Deep into the absurd.

I'm going onward with no kiss thine ass to mayan own self be true.

Life. Heheh.

19/3/09 6:08 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Ennio Marchetto is amazing! I'm forwarding it to a bunch of people right now. :o)

19/3/09 6:37 PM  
Blogger chiron said...

Now how do you follow Ennio?????

With Jim of course. ILLUSION to the nth degree.

Enjoy yet again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJxgEF65ZE&feature=PlayList&p=8ED3491876D8DB31&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

19/3/09 6:47 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Hahahahaha! ah, home, at last, after a weird day. What a relief to find all this treasure.

Thanks, I need this.

Its like going into a sauna and coming out the otherside renewed.

19/3/09 7:26 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Judy Garland? Really, Chiron, one might think you were a friend of Dorothy! ;o)

19/3/09 7:45 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

Hehe Joe.

What an unusual day.

19/3/09 8:17 PM  
Blogger Tseka said...

I kinda like the choice presented; the wicked stepmother boosting her worthless daughters, while sweet Cinderella cleaned up after 'em.

Some people think they are holding all the cards. There is obviously a lot of sloppy playing going on and some outright incompetence, check out mademoiselle on the right who fails to even hold her cards correctly.

Still, the parasol and the lace gloves add interest to the "evil stepmother" character in ways that would bring a small relief in real life.

Unfortunately no fairy godmother is flitting in the forest hurrying on her way to change pumpkins into coaches so the tale breaks down. But the moment caught playing a three-handed game of cards on a beautiful day seems to catch the mood quite well.

We could ask for an intercession by the elves.

19/3/09 9:08 PM  
Blogger jm said...

OMG, I have to catch up!!! I'm so glad youse all agree.

19/3/09 9:37 PM  
Blogger jm said...

But the moment caught playing a three-handed game of cards on a beautiful day seems to catch the mood quite well.

It does indeed.

I don't think we need an intercession. We're holding a good hand. I know where my Aces are.

19/3/09 9:43 PM  
Blogger jm said...

It's going to take me a minute to load Jim, but I must say, chiron, Ennio gave me so many laughs I'm stunned. Threw me a curve, something I'm always seeking. One never knows. I knew joe would love it:-)

19/3/09 9:46 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Jim is great!

The human creature is an interesting one. Now I'm going to review Ennio.:-) He's something.

19/3/09 10:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://consortiumnews.com/2009/030409.html

How Close the Bush Bullet

19/4/09 9:51 AM  

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