Ladies and Gentlemen......
The Famous Wondrous Saturn-Neptune Opposition!
Going my way??
Quite a puzzle, but I found the solution....
posted by jm at 4:26 PM
Monday, June 18, 2007
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32 Comments:
This is a beautiful illustration of why gloom and doom prediction is faulty. The opposition is here and I believe there were dire predictions of geopolitical catastrophe.
Of course, that can happen at any time. It is, in fact, happening right now. Just not everywhere, as usual.
I see this repeatedly. A gradual and gorgeous movement of the planets together, whether they are in harmonious or dissonant aspects.
They teach me grace, these planetary entities. The Saturn-Neptune opposition has been unfolding for awhile now, and we got through it well. Quite well, in fact. The most outstanding part from my experience has been an inspired exchange of knowledge from the infinite individual perspectives.
Even when hardships are there in our daily lives, there is always an ability to step up, back, sideways, whatever direction and get a glimpse of this joyous cosmology.
How wonderful to be astrologers.
too perfect!
As I commented over on Astrotabletalk, perhaps we as astrologers need to focus on oppositions as complements rather than pushing a more adversarial interpretation. After all, opposite signs are in harmonious elements. I know, I know . . . so Libra of me . . . :-)
It does seem like humans just love to sensationalize though . . .
I completely agree neith, and I think this is important. I was delighted with darmaruci's blog on this subject. The neutrality he pointed out.
I'm going to consider this and write my impressions. They really are complementary, as you say, and I agree that astrologers should be aware of this.
It does seem like humans just love to sensationalize though
I never get tired of investigating the reasons why. They love the conflict approach to anything but trines and sextiles.
Back to our anti G&D crusade. We've been slacking off!!
Watch what happens with the Saturn-Uranus opposition coming up. A menu of disasters I'm sure!
The celestial lineup tonight of Venus, Moon, Saturn and Regulus is really fascinating. Hope everyone got to see it.
I saw it joe and it was enchanting. People were in a gentle good mood around town.
Aaaaand.....
The Sun is exactly opposite our dreaded Pluto, adding to our opposition theory.
There's reverence in the air tonight.
I love Neptune.
I don't see the upcoming Saturn-Uranus opposition as a doom and gloom crisis at all, really. It looks to me more like spirit and spirituality breaking free of outmoded structures and restrictions, religious and otherwise. I guess that might seem like a crisis for those who are desperately trying to maintain the old order of things.
In some sense also, I see a "waking up" to a more real reality, if that doesn't sound too funny. It looks like a very liberating transit, to tell you the truth.
Thanks so much again for your insight and analysis, jm, regarding my chart as well as everything that you do here in general. You are always a breath of fresh air and an inspiration! ;-)
It's funny what you mentioned about my SN in Aries. I do actually seem to be making a gradual transition away from the rage and anger at the crimes and injustices that I see going on in the halls of power. I've really noticed it over the past year, too. I don't believe that it's desensitization, but maybe just more of a realization that I can direct my energies better and into more productive causes. More along the lines of focusing on my own sphere of influence.
I've been looking into working for local charities and things of that nature. Seems to also really fit with my Pisces-Virgo MC/IC. Service and charity.
To be honest, the only real reason I have been looking out of state is because of the rather shaky market here for K-12 teachers. Ohio education right now is more messy than three separate jigsaw puzzles whose pieces have been scattered about all over the room.
I do have a job, but you could say that it's on a year-to-year basis, and the organization's management seems to enjoy flying by the seat of their pants on plans and keeping all of us in the dark until sometime close to August 31. It's actually a rather Uranian/Aquarian organization in many ways. Good and bad. And Uranian/Aquarian energy is OK with me so long as it doesn't adversely affect my income. I am a Sun Taurus after all! I know I should count my blessings, but I would also like to be able to make longer term plans with some stability in mind.
At the same time, I'd be giving up a whole lot more by leaving Ohio. Family and friends, history and connections that AT&T and American Airlines don't quite bridge the gap for.
I'm sure you can tell, right now I am leaning towards staying. I'm not sure how it will work out, but maybe I need to take a leap of faith in doing so.
You know, neo. This got me to thinkin. It might be 'mind' breaking free of outmoded structures or restrictions with the upcoming Saturn-Uranus. I can get with that as long as psychosis isn't reached..*:
Ohio education right now is more messy than three separate jigsaw puzzles whose pieces have been scattered about all over the room.
This might be its saving grace. Starting from scratch. Inviting repair. Definitely needing it. There's potential in that situation.
A lot of things are gonna change when Saturn transits Virgo. The SN is leaving. A lot to be done, and I think people will have a better idea of just what their tasks are.
Your stability is not in question with Sun in Taurus and Moon in Capricorn. Unless, perhaps a quirk of fate intervened.
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I do actually seem to be making a gradual transition away from the rage and anger at the crimes and injustices that I see going on in the halls of power. I've really noticed it over the past year, too.
Likewise here, Neo, although I would venture to guess my experience has been spanning perhaps the last four or five years. With many planets in Libra, I understand exactly what you're saying. It's been a hard road at times, being in the field of work that I am.
Yes, I do think major social changes are ahead of us, how this will play out is of course highly speculative.
I agree with this.
I'm a psychological astrologer. There are all kinds of techniques and I repsect the differences, but the thing I discovered when I got on the Net was a plethora of predictive astrologers who repeatedly warned about massive earth changes, economic collapse, worldwide dictatorship, and martial law, pretty much parroting the same thing.
As I've said, cataclysm is selective. It happens in some places, not others. One of the biggest earthquakes in history sunk an entire small island off the coast of Greece, but every place else was completely unharmed.
My problem with the dire predictions is that astrology is on the verge of public acceptance and respectable use again. I think this kind of automatic fear based practice goes against the benefits astrology could have for all. If everyone used astrology for personal development, it would help society as a whole. Fear is corrosive, potent, and should be used for what it's designed for. Real dangers. Confidence is one of the most health producing feelings known.
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What exactly is the contradiction?
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What word would you use?
I looked it up and you are correct. Paranoia means "beside the mind", indicating a form of psychosis. Delusions of persecution. Saturn in Pisces tends toward perceptions of persecution very often, but certainly not madness.
I will choose another word.
Let's begin with the fear of global economic collapse. First of all, this is very unlikely. The fiat argument is well worn and I don't think there is enough evidence in this to support such a catstrophic event. Of course, I could be mistaken.
So what can I call it?
1.Logical perception
2.Exaggerated fear
3.Manipulations by others
4.illusion
5.Fact
From a Saturn in Pisces I need strong evidence that the future from her perspective is likely. There is genuine psychic ability with this placement, but it usually is developed over a long period of time.
Any Neptunian factor, SN in Pisces, Neptune aspects, etc., can cloud the distinction between fantasy and reality. This is both the plus and the minus.
As an artist it is a big plus. Guiding humanity, it has to be tempered. The Saturn opposition to Neptune was all about this. I believe we will see a slight downturn in dire prediction.
For some there is a legitimate need to view the future as threatening, but this is not for everyone. There is a natural inclination to be afraid of the future, probably based on the knowledge of our upcoming deaths.
But I want to learn more about life and death to alleviate the anxiety, and therefore, see a balance of positive and negative in the future. My philosophy leans toward this anyway.
In the end, it's how each one copes, and as far as I've seen, no one has much success predicting for everyone.
The pessimist protects herself so as not to be overly disappointed. The optimist hopes for the best and deals with disappointment as it comes. The optimist has great disappointment because of her high hopes, but this is how she copes. Because of her positive outlook she deals well with these disappointments. The pessimist is there to help maintain the realistic balance. Both are vital.
I have a Mercury-Neptune square and I AM paranoid. I have no problem with the term for myself. I have a phrase I use when I start spinning out. "You're crazy". It usually works when I remind myself.
Years ago I had some dental problems and I went to a periodontist. He described the surgery, saying I would probably drool from the anaesthetic, and right before my eyes, fangs grew from his eye teeth.
I left, but not before being reminded that I would have to present $4000 at the time of the procedure. I decided against this and went on to a home remedy.
Of course, knowing my paranoia, I realized the fangs weren't REALLY there, but this is an everyday event in my life. I saw buddhist temples in my husband's mouth when he lost a tooth. So it has its ups and downs.
hey joe! I guess the thing for us to remember is that this is all a life-long journey. How much fun would it be if we all knew everything that we were supposed to learn within the first few years after our births? What would be the point of living into our 70s, 80s and 90s? That's something I also need to remember.
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Analysa, You are right. I overreacted to the dire predictions. My fault. I've been working on it, and now maybe this will help.
So thank you. I would love to be free of this. People's beliefs are their own and should not affect me so much.
I will do my best.
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The Gospel of Thomas, The Thunder, Perfect Mind, in fact, what words still remain in the entire Nag Hammadi library are teachers. :-)
~~sige
"I am large. I contain multitudes!"
~~Walt Whitman
:-) sige
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